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TOPIC: In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 3:38 pm
From: Lew Hartswick

krw wrote:
> In article <weqdnUPrb--lSlPVnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> lhartswick@earthlink.net says...
>>And if you are a little (maybe a lot) older the radios, especially
>>by "Midwest" (as I remember the name), were competing by the number
>>of tubes. In some cases I think only with the heaters connected. :-)
>
> Weren't they all "five tube wonders"? Dangerous things! 50% chance
> of the metal chasis being live. The only thing between the operator
> and 120V was the plastic knob.
>
Most of them were 5 tubes but the Midwest ones advertized 8 and 10
tubes with dummies. And yes the chassis were at one side of the line
so if pluged in the wrong way could be HOT.
...lew...

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:01 pm
From: art.shapiro@unisys.com (Arthur Shapiro)

In article <MPG.2338ea953fd9782698a19d@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

>Weren't they all "five tube wonders"?

Actually, I recall that the traditional term was "All-American Five". A
decent circuit, although the simple power supply could be hum-prone.

BTW, I've had a Rainbow since 1978. It doesn't quite have the airflow of some
brands, but is a quality product that does a fine job if one can tolerate the
nuisance value of emptying the water tank each time the machine is used.
Otherwise, evaporative corrosion will eventually eat away the motor guts.
Obviously one should never buy it from the big-bucks door-to-door salesman,
but with a little bit of luck it can be found at a non-jawdropping price.
Last year I shipped mine half way across the country to have it rebuilt, not
trusting my local shops to do a good job.

Art

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 5:47 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Arthur Shapiro wrote:
>
> In article <MPG.2338ea953fd9782698a19d@news.individual.net>, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
> >Weren't they all "five tube wonders"?
>
> Actually, I recall that the traditional term was "All-American Five". A
> decent circuit, although the simple power supply could be hum-prone.
>
> BTW, I've had a Rainbow since 1978. It doesn't quite have the airflow of some
> brands, but is a quality product that does a fine job if one can tolerate the
> nuisance value of emptying the water tank each time the machine is used.
> Otherwise, evaporative corrosion will eventually eat away the motor guts.
> Obviously one should never buy it from the big-bucks door-to-door salesman,
> but with a little bit of luck it can be found at a non-jawdropping price.
> Last year I shipped mine half way across the country to have it rebuilt, not
> trusting my local shops to do a good job.

I used to rebuild the motors for those Rex-Aire built vacuums. A
neighbor was in the used vacuum cleaner business, and always needed
motors. After a while I could tear them down and replace the bearings
and brushes in 10 to 15 minutes, depending on what type of motor that
brand used. He would give me a truckload of old motors at a time. :(

BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled after
a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
strips.

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TOPIC: I am losing my butt
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 3:57 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:08:08 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian) wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:23:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
><rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Its only the dregs that end up entirely dependant on social security.
>
>Such as the severely disabled? You sound like Der Fuhrer.
>
>>Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars, the great depression and
>>countless other smaller wars fine
>
>Fine? What about the incalculable suffering and deaths? Not to mention
>all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called righteous battles?
>Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...and
>gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.
>
>> and we have worked out how to avoid depressions now
>
>Nope. Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in
>place by FDR.
>
>>and even if we do have another, it will be much easier to take than the great depression was.
>
>Nope. It will be far more disastrous, and most likely unrecoverable. 3
>billion MORE people are in the capitalist game now ("Chindia"),
>grabbing as much and as fast as they can, limited resources of oil and
>gas.
>
>>Wrong again. All those close to retirement have to do is avoid the most volatile markets.
>
EVERY market is highly volatile, dufus. There is NO safe haven when it
comes to gambling...er, I mean investing.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:28 pm
From: not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:57:58 -0700, lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:

>>>Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars, the great depression and
>>>countless other smaller wars fine
>>
>>Fine? What about the incalculable suffering and deaths?

Yeah, that seems to accompany wars.

>> Not to mention
>>all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called righteous battles?
>>Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...and
>>gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.

Well, we could have been appeasement apostles and perhaps you'd be
living under Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Islamic Sharia law.

Do you think you'd be able to run your mouth under them, as freely as
you do now?

>>Nope. Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in
>>place by FDR.

Let us do away with capitalism, comrade.

Kill the corporations, along with the goods, services, and jobs they
provide.

You grow the potatoes; I'll grow the cabbage, and we'll share.

And being good little communists, we'll share with those who didn't
grow anything.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:44 pm
From: Relayer

On Sep 16, 6:28�pm, n...@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres) wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:57:58 -0700, lisa...@privacy.net wrote:
> >>>Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars, the great depression and
> >>>countless other smaller wars fine
>
> >>Fine? What about the incalculable suffering and deaths?
>
> Yeah, that seems to accompany wars.
>
> >> Not to mention
> >>all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called righteous battles?
> >>Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...and
> >>gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.
>
> Well, we could have been appeasement apostles and perhaps you'd be
> living under Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Islamic Sharia law.
>
> Do you think you'd be able to run your mouth under them, as freely as
> you do now?
>
> >>Nope. Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in
> >>place by FDR.
>
> Let us do away with capitalism, comrade.
>
> Kill the corporations, along with the goods, services, and jobs they
> provide.
>
> You grow the potatoes; I'll grow the cabbage, and we'll share.
>
> And being good little communists, we'll share with those who didn't
> grow anything.

I lost my ass 4 years ago when I became ill..

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:53 pm
From: not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:44:13 -0700 (PDT), Relayer <relayer101@aol.com>
wrote:

>On Sep 16, 6:28=EF=BF=BDpm, n...@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres) wro=
>te:
>> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:57:58 -0700, lisa...@privacy.net wrote:
>> >>>Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars, the great=
> depression and
>> >>>countless other smaller wars fine
>>
>> >>Fine? What about the incalculable suffering and deaths?
>>
>> Yeah, that seems to accompany wars.
>>
>> >> Not to mention
>> >>all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called righteous battles?
>> >>Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...and
>> >>gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.
>>
>> Well, we could have been appeasement apostles and perhaps you'd be
>> living under Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, or Islamic Sharia law.
>>
>> Do you think you'd be able to run your mouth under them, as freely as
>> you do now?
>>
>> >>Nope. Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in
>> >>place by FDR.
>>
>> Let us do away with capitalism, comrade.
>>
>> Kill the corporations, along with the goods, services, and jobs they
>> provide.
>>
>> You grow the potatoes; I'll grow the cabbage, and we'll share.
>>
>> And being good little communists, we'll share with those who didn't
>> grow anything.
>
>I lost my ass 4 years ago when I became ill..

And any civilized society has an absolute duty to help the disabled.

But when we become commies, we must also give to able-bodied, healthy
people, especially those men and women who are kind enough to make
babies without working to support them.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 7:37 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> No matter how you rejigger the numbers, it still boils down to workers supporting retirees.
>
>>> No it doesnt, plenty have more for their time past work than just social security.
>
>>> Its only the dregs that end up entirely dependant on social security.
>
>> Such as the severely disabled?
>
> Only the dregs of the severely disabled end up entirely dependant on social security.
>
>> You sound like Der Fuhrer.
>
> He gassed them, fool.
>
>>>> There really are no guarantees.
>
>>> Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars,
>>> the great depression and countless other smaller wars fine
>
>> Fine?
>
> Yep, fine.
>
>> What about the incalculable suffering
>
> Pure fantasy.
>
>> and deaths?
>
> Everyone dies sometime.
>
>> Not to mention all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called righteous battles?
>
> Nothing to do with the guarantees being discussed.
>
>> Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...
>
> Nothing to do with the guarantees being discussed.
>
> You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
>
>> and gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.
>
> Corse it will, just like it did during the great depression and those world wars, you watch.
>
>>> and we have worked out how to avoid depressions now
>
>> Nope.
>
> Yep.
>
>> Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in place by FDR.
>
> They werent put in place by FDR, they were put in place by Congress.
>
> And we wouldnt have seen the bailout of Bear Stearns, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac if your lie was true.
>
>>> and even if we do have another, it will be much easier to take than the great depression was.
>
>> Nope.
>
> Yep, you watch. There isnt even a technical recession yet.
>
>> It will be far more disastrous, and most likely unrecoverable.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasys, you watch.
>
>> 3 billion MORE people are in the capitalist game now ("Chindia"), grabbing
>> as much and as fast as they can, limited resources of oil and gas.
>
> And we have invented the technology that allows us to yawn about that, nukes.
>
>>>> All that said, yeah, the markets are way too volatile for people in or very near retirement.
>
>>> Wrong again. All those close to retirement have to do is avoid the most volatile markets.
>
>> EVERY market is highly volatile, dufus.
>
> Cash under the bed isnt, fool.
>
>> There is NO safe haven when it comes to gambling...er, I mean investing.
>
> Wrong, as always. You can keep it in FDIC guaranteed accounts if you want to, fool.
And FDIC has a $100,000 limit.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 10:14 pm
From: "h"

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
news:rp6dnRDXtPndu03VnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@comcast.com...

> However, a mushrooming population does improve the standard of living
> *while it lasts* because a youth-skewed population is more able-bodied.
> That, and the fact that nothing is more central to evolution than the
> biological imperative to reproduce, means it's an addiction that will be
> very hard to break.

Shrug. I can understand the biological imperative to have sex, but I just
don't get the desire to reproduce. I've never liked children, not even when
I was a child, so there was no way I would want to have one. The more
intelligent and well-educated people are, the less likely they are to
reproduce. Human intelligence is self-limiting because stupid people do most
of the breeding. It's always been that way and there's no indication that it
will change any time soon.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 10:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Chief Thracian <chief_thracian@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> No matter how you rejigger the numbers, it still boils down to
>>>>> workers supporting retirees.
>>
>>>> No it doesnt, plenty have more for their time past work than just
>>>> social security.
>>
>>>> Its only the dregs that end up entirely dependant on social
>>>> security.
>>
>>> Such as the severely disabled?
>>
>> Only the dregs of the severely disabled end up entirely dependant on
>> social security.
>>> You sound like Der Fuhrer.
>>
>> He gassed them, fool.
>>
>>>>> There really are no guarantees.
>>
>>>> Yes there are. The great democracys survived two world wars,
>>>> the great depression and countless other smaller wars fine
>>
>>> Fine?
>>
>> Yep, fine.
>>
>>> What about the incalculable suffering
>>
>> Pure fantasy.
>>
>>> and deaths?
>>
>> Everyone dies sometime.
>>
>>> Not to mention all the INNOCENT victims wiped out by our so-called
>>> righteous battles?
>>
>> Nothing to do with the guarantees being discussed.
>>
>>> Our nation has terrorized many other nations for many years now...
>>
>> Nothing to do with the guarantees being discussed.
>>
>> You're always welcome to set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.
>>
>>> and gotten away with it, so far. This time around, it won't work.
>>
>> Corse it will, just like it did during the great depression and
>> those world wars, you watch.
>>>> and we have worked out how to avoid depressions now
>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>>> Capitalism has diligently wiped out all those safeguards put in
>>> place by FDR.
>>
>> They werent put in place by FDR, they were put in place by Congress.
>>
>> And we wouldnt have seen the bailout of Bear Stearns, Fanny Mae and
>> Freddy Mac if your lie was true.
>>>> and even if we do have another, it will be much easier to take
>>>> than the great depression was.
>>
>>> Nope.
>>
>> Yep, you watch. There isnt even a technical recession yet.
>>
>>> It will be far more disastrous, and most likely unrecoverable.
>>
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant
>> fantasys, you watch.
>>> 3 billion MORE people are in the capitalist game now ("Chindia"),
>>> grabbing as much and as fast as they can, limited resources of oil and gas.
>>
>> And we have invented the technology that allows us to yawn about
>> that, nukes.
>>>>> All that said, yeah, the markets are way too volatile for people
>>>>> in or very near retirement.
>>
>>>> Wrong again. All those close to retirement have to do is avoid the
>>>> most volatile markets.
>>
>>> EVERY market is highly volatile, dufus.
>>
>> Cash under the bed isnt, fool.
>>
>>> There is NO safe haven when it comes to gambling...er, I mean
>>> investing.
>>
>> Wrong, as always. You can keep it in FDIC guaranteed accounts if you
>> want to, fool.
> And FDIC has a $100,000 limit.

Thats PER BANK. Completely trivial to just spread your deposits
over multiple banks so none of them have more than that each.

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TOPIC: Dry pet food recalled due to harboring Salmonella
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:08 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Sep 16, 12:45 am, letter...@invalid.com wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT), ultim...@live.com wrote:
> >http://consumerist.com/5048263/14-brands-of-pet-food-recalled
>
> >Mars Petcare US is recalling 14 brands of dry dog and cat food made
> >between February and July of this year, after two people who may have
> >had contact with some of the food became infected with Salmonella. If
> >you feed your dog or cat any of the brands listed below, here's how to
> >check the package code.
>
> >Recalled brands:
>
> > * Pedigree
> > * Ol' Roy
> > * Retriever
> > * Paws & Claws
> > * Member's Mark
> > * Natural Dog Food
> > * Natural Cat Food
> > * Doggy Bag
> > * PMI Nutrition
> > * Red Flannel
> > * PetPride
> > * Special Kitty
> > * Country Acres
> > * Wegman's Bruiser
> > * Wegman's Buju & Ziggie
>
> >To check whether the package you have is part of the recall, look at
> >the code under the "Best Before" date.
>
> >(more info on site)
>
> Has anyone noticed that almost all of these contaminated and recalled
> human and pet foods in recent years is ALWAYS the stuff sold at
> Walmart. Just one of several reasons I will not buy any foods from
> Walmart anymore.
>
> The following are sold at Walmart
> * Pedigree
> * Ol' Roy
> * PetPride
> * Special Kitty
> (possibly more)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And a dog would be better off eating cardboard than Ol' Roy.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 4:48 pm
From: krw

In article <l8uvc4tjfk53fin6ql5e1ssd0fimv9im03@4ax.com>,
blackwidow@spiders.com says...
> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 13:20:33 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><blackwidow@spiders.com> wrote in message
> >news:ivjvc49ptigjdao56j9nkbdukdq5itrbib@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:37:45 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"Mark Anderson" <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:MPG.2338fa0ab294d54a989ac3@chi.news.speakeasy.net...
> >>>> In article letterman@invalid.com says...
> >>>>> Has anyone noticed that almost all of these contaminated and recalled
> >>>>> human and pet foods in recent years is ALWAYS the stuff sold at
> >>>>> Walmart. Just one of several reasons I will not buy any foods from
> >>>>> Walmart anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The following are sold at Walmart
> >>>>> * Pedigree
> >>>>> * Ol' Roy
> >>>>> * PetPride
> >>>>> * Special Kitty
> >>>
> >>>My two cats were poisoned last March by the Special Kitty (Walmart) pouch
> >>>brand. They both lived, but they're still on meds and I'm out over $3k and
> >>>climbing. I still buy pouch cat food at Walmart, but only Purina brand,
> >>>since Purina (supposedly) controls all the ingredients of their products,
> >>>and nothing comes from China.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'll agree that Purina is good feed, but I'd bet you can get it
> >> cheaper somewhere other than Walmart.
> >
> >No other store around here sells the pouches cheaper than Walmart. I don't
> >like Walmart either, but I will always shop where the prices are lowest.
> >
>
> I look for the cheapest prices too, but I'm not willing to sell out my
> country for a few pennies.

I hope your shoes don't have a swoosh on them.

> The cost of Purina cat food is 46 cents
> more at a local feed mill. The feed mill is closer, so I save those
> pennies in gas. At the same time, I can buy mens socks at Dollar
> General (a bag of 6 pairs) for almost $2 less than at Walmart, and
> it's the same brand.

...and what country were they made in?

> There again, Dollar General is closer than
> Walmart so I save more on gas. Walmart wants you to believe they are
> cheaper, but are they really? Yes, some items are cheaper, but many
> are the same or more. Most of their food is quite a bit more than the
> local grocery store. Motor Oil for my car is around 70 cents more per
> quart at Walmart than at Dollar General. Both are Penzoil of the same
> grade. The generic oil at Walmart is more than a dollar more per
> quart. I only go to Walmart when I need something at 2am and it's
> critical, such as toilet paper. I do everything to avoid that place.
> They are ruining the economy and our country.

Nonsense. If anyone is at fault, it's you for shopping at a place
you so despise. Hypocrite!

--
Keith

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TOPIC: martha
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 8:54 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <6PCdneqQponHRVLVnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>I'm certainly not much of a teevee person, much less a daytime teevee
>person (well, except for "The Young and the Restless") but who else here
>finds Martha Stewart absolutely fascinating? She has one of the most
>finely-tuned, best controlled "type 'A'" personalities available to the
>average voyeur-aficionado. Hell, I even watch her "Everyday Foods"
>series that is presented by my local PBS affiliate....

The primary feature of "Everyday Foods" is that Martha does _not_ appear
in the show. Bear in mind that you're not seeing all the screaming and
abuse that she's famous for on the set.

Gary

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Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:20 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:36:04 -0700, Lou wrote:

> I'm trying to think of a way to use bath and shower water to water the
> lawn. Has anyone come across a household underground system either
> professional or home made that could be retrofitted?

If you can crawl under your house, then you can fit a diverter valve into
the downpipe and pipe it out to your garden, etc. We also had on inside
the laundry tub, but this required a second hole through the floor.

So bathroom for shower and hand basin, kitchen for sink, and laundry for
tub/washing machine.

Should be okay for lawn areas, but keep the organic matter up, aka do not
crop and dispose of the grass clippings but mulch them back into the lawn.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:40 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:24:11 -0700, Community Organizer
<georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>i did print up my own "fortune cookie" fortune once.
>as a joke on my wife. I pretended to drop my cooky at the restaurant and
>pulled up my own printout.
>No, I won't tell you what it said.
>Use your imagination.

I know EXACTLY what you wrote:

"Did you remember to lock the front door?"

>Perverts!

Who, me? NEVER!

You know how to keep a relationship forever young. Congrats!

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TOPIC: CVS Pharmacist calls customer a "Fucking AIDS freak"
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:40 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:48:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>And everywhere else did too, and it didnt.

Instead, the bigotry maintains the spirit of meanness so necessary to
maintain a smooth-running well-oiled societal fascist machinery.

><reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where they belong>

Hmmm, you're not particularly intelligent, I see. Typical bigot, so
insecure!

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:40 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:27:16 -0700 (PDT), David Smart
<flanneryged@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>This is a disgusting little story,no-body has the right to sit in
>Judgemant of you or of anybody else for that matter.I work
>with AIDS Sufferers who hav ecaught the Virus through IV Drug abuse
>and sometimes we do get complaints about the
>dispensing Chemists and their attitude.

You are a good man, David Smart. Thanks for speaking out, and may your
life be blessed with joy and friendship.

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:40 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:36:09 -0400, Patriot Games
<Patriot@America.Com> wrote:

>You weren't paying attention, FAG.

How intelligent, you're remark, My, you must belong to MENSA.

>1 conservative heterosexual wife, 5 conservative heterosexual
>children, 12 conservative heterosexual grandchildren.

All cursed with your ignorant, vile presence.

>That means we have YOU outnumbered, FAG.

Quantity over quality, of course.

>>Gaymerica: love it or leave it!
>
>There's NO SUCH THING.

Then why get so upset?

>At best maybe 4% of the population is FAGGOTS.

Nope...10%, statistics have proven time and again. The only way one
can claim a much smaller amount, is to count only those gays brave
enough to be out of the closet. The remaining majority percentage
continue to live in fear of hetero bully terrorists, and thus hide
their sexuality.

One day, though, there will be a reckoning, and we will rise up and
bash back. That day is soon. White folks once thought that blacks were
spineless pushovers, they'd NEVER rebel. Well, look what happened,
eh? So most heteros believe the same about homos. You're in for a rude
awakening, old breeder fart!

>Which means we could EXTERMINATE ALL OF YOU and not miss any of ya's.

Oh, your kind will soon spread a global anti-gay pogram around the
world. Unfortunately for your kind, it will backfire...and we'll even
have our own gay nation, among other benefits.

>Fuck off, FAG.

Ooooo, your intelligent expletives really impress me! You really think
you're SUCH a man, don't you? When in truth, all your huffy posturing
only broadcasts how INSECURE you really are. And THAT my friend,
indicates you as a closet case.

I'd even wager that you are secretly DESPISED by at least SOME of your
children/grandchildren. At least, those who are intelligent. But
smartness doesn't seem to run in your family, eh? At least, not YOUR
side of the family.

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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:41 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 17:36:09 -0400, Patriot Games
<Patriot@America.Com> wrote:

>>Gaymerica: love it or leave it!
>
>There's NO SUCH THING.

OH TREMBLE AMERIKA

Oh tremble Amerika, you land of Moloch,
for you have greatly broken my covenant:
that you should speak for The Angel of Democracy
to every corner of the world.

What have you done, Amerika, spreading fear
of your own self (instead of love for freedom)
to every nation, to every person;
yeah, even unto your own citizens,
that they tremble so before you,
Oh Hand of Satanic Ruin?

Who are you, Amerika, that you should take ten percent
of your children,
(who you call "homosexual" but I call "Hellene")
and teach them terror unending from day to day,
and year to year,
right unto their very own death?

What wickedness is this, Amerika,
that you take the very Word of God and blaspheme it
to preach the killing and misery of a good number
of your brave children (Hellenes)
whose only sin is brotherly and sisterly love?
(Were you to sin in such a seemly manner,
you'd all know heaven by now!)

Amerika, you are NO LONGER God's country,
for you have broken your covenant with me,
in a most grevious manner.
You have invented A NEW ARROGANCE which hubris
even I have never seen, nor Lucifer ever conceived;
in such unbridled malice of your own loyal
Hellenic citizens, WHO ARE ALSO MY ANGELS!

Oh, Amerika, tremble now, for the hour has arrived:
for amber waves of grain to wither under a Great Drought,
for purple mountain majesty to shower pestilence
upon the fruited plain,
and for fiery whirlwinds to level your great cities
that lay parched of spirit and void of compassion.

My hetero Amerikans: return to your homes,
complacent in your gender supremacy,
believing that you are righteous
in your condemnation of homosexuals,
or in your tolerating these citizens
(as long as they don't demand equal treatment
under your laws).

Amerika-Moloch, you ARE hypocrite
unlike any other under the sun,
and your time in this age has come to a close.
You have sealed your own fate:
of a terrible Civil War of many deaths and unholy
destruction.
Vermont shall go insane with rabid homophobia
and rape herself into many pieces;
while Florida burns from political fires,
and sinks into the Atlantic,
her great smoky plume turning all of Mexico into midnight
for eleven dark months.

And all lands in between and west of these two raging
states,
shall likewise be consumed by plagues and madness
of myriad types.
The Great Mississippi shall overflow with the blood
of you hypocrites,
drowning many in your sleep;
and your towns shall stink of your children's putrifying
flesh.

For I have summoned my Angel who long ago
freed the Hebrews from Egyptian bondage,
to now unshackle all same-sex lovers from your
diabolical chains.
For them, I shall keep the region known as Northern
California, as a safe refuge...
casting out all who maintain homophobic ideas,
no matter how slight.
This includes many churches of the Christian realm.

And this region I shall name "Athenia",
to separate her from the punishment I shall mete out
to the remainder of land known
(for a while longer) as Amerika.

---finis

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TOPIC: Surviving a bear attack
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 16 2008 11:58 pm
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:59:06 -0400, Patriot Games
<Patriot@America.Com> wrote:

>Regarding the other kind of 'bear" - a fat hairy faggot - this is also
>good advice for Democrats.
>
>Lay down on your stomach, put your hands over the back of your neck,
>play dead, and let the 'bear' - the fat hairy faggot - fuck your ass
>until he gets bored.
>
>Lord knows Democrats love taking it up the ass!

Always nice to have your token hetero goon in any group. You know of
course, that talking so much about gays and male butts makes people
wonder if YOU'RE "that way" too!

In fact, you're just a fat, ugly queer playing your phony breeder game
clacking away at the keyboard with one hand, and jacking off to your
gay porn with the other.

Got YOU figured out. Gawd you are SO obvious...you screaming queen
you! BITTER old screaming queen...you know, making heteros look like a
bunch of pig-asswipes will not win you many friends.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:02 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:13:54 GMT, "Ryan Robbins"
<redbird007@verizon.net> wrote:

>"Patriot Games" <Patriot@America.Com> wrote in message
>news:fsjqc49hve0nig0mhufgocetllf0ukepij@4ax.com...
>> Also, even though bears can sprint much faster than a person they
>> CANNOT run downhill.
>
>FALSE!

He thought you meant HIM. He's an old bear with arthritic knees (from
giving other bears so much sloppy head for so many years). I know who
he is, hangs out at a leather bar South of Market, gets on usenet
pretending to be a stupid hetero dickwad. His real name is Gary.

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