Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Wednesday, September 17, 2008

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TOPIC: In-house visit by a "Rainbow vacuum" salesperson
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:30 am
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Lew Hartswick wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled after
> > a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
> > strips.
>
> That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out
> of the T slots of a mill. :-)

As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a
bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of
detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using
one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro
several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a
replacement system hat didn't work as well.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:35 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> >
>> > BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled
>> > after
>> > a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
>> > strips.
>>
>> That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out
>> of the T slots of a mill. :-)
>
>
> As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a
> bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of
> detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using
> one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro
> several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a
> replacement system hat didn't work as well.

bet someone at the epa got a bribe for that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:39 am
From: Shanghai McCoy

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled after
>>> a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
>>> strips.
>> That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out
>> of the T slots of a mill. :-)
>
>
> As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a
> bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of
> detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using
> one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro
> several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a
> replacement system hat didn't work as well.
>
>
Hehe... my ex used a Rainbow in an attempt to clean out the fireplace...
once!

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:09 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Shanghai McCoy" <MTWillett@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:zhbAk.12400$rV4.10768@newsfe03.iad...
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Lew Hartswick wrote:
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>> BTW Rex-Aire built a higher suction version, but it was recalled
>>>> after
>>>> a few people succeeded in pulling their carpet loose from the tack
>>>> strips.
>>> That sounds like just what is needed to suck the oily chips out
>>> of the T slots of a mill. :-)
>>
>>
>> As long as they are smaller than a bowling ball. They could pick up a
>> bowling ball, but it wouldn't go down the hose. Put a few drops of
>> detergent in the water, and it will trap oily dust. A place was using
>> one to clean up drops of mercury where they made thermometers fro
>> several years. When the EPA found out they had to spend $30,000 on a
>> replacement system hat didn't work as well.
>>
>>
> Hehe... my ex used a Rainbow in an attempt to clean out the fireplace...
> once!

what a mess!!!

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TOPIC: I am losing my butt
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:41 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:53:26 GMT, not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill
Ayres) wrote:

>Historians tell us that since the inception of homo sapiens, the world
>has been at peace for something like 16 minutes.

And the USA hasn't been helping any, either.

>Regarding the present, tell your whine to Akmed and those who are on a
>global mission to convert, enslave, or kill all infidels.

We need to start addressing the evils right here at home, too. Plenty
of terrorism, violence,, religious fanaticism going on here, too.
Plenty of poverty, homelessness, homophobia, racism, misogeny, etc.
This nation's an unholy mess.

>Are you Neville Chamberlain's great grandson?

There is no denying the US businesses invested heavily in the Nazi
empire, which fostered the last great war. That fact does not make
anyone a Neville Chamberlain, simply for stating it.

>Perhaps you'd find life more enjoyable in a utopia like Cuba, North
>Korea, or Vietnam.

Of course not. My claim is the US is barely any better, these days.
We've become a fascist empire. How convenient of you to NOT cite those
nations in which I WOULD find life more enjoyable, because democratic
ideals are better practiced there:

Holland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Spain, France, Canada, New Zealand,
Australia, and most of the remaining western-civilized nations.

>Perhaps you'd savor life in one of the 57 Muslim countries. If you're
>a female, I'm sure you'd enjoy practicing the quaint traditions of
>Sharia law.

I'm a gay male. Gays are treated even worse than women are, in Islam.
But gays are not much better off here in the US. We gays are
terrorized 24/7/365 here in the so-called free world of Amerika.

> I've heard of the wonders of national health from my friends in UK.
>They get to pull their own teeth, wait a mere 6 months to get MRIs, 2
>years to see a psychiatrist .... rejection of obese patients ...
>delaying necessary treatment for cancer patients ....

You pick the worst example of health care in western europe. How
convenient of you. And Canada has been sabotaged by the overrunning of
US for-profit health services, which should never have been allowed.
France, Spain, Holland, Scandanavia and various other western nations
are far superior w/health care than the US/England/Canada.

>Hey, if it talks like a commie, and smells like a commie ......

Go ahead, be as ignorant as you want, you're a brainwashed dolt. So
anything that is a compassionate plan is "communistic". Good show!
YOU'RE kind of democracy is indistinguishable from a Nazi regime.

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:50 am
From: chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief Thracian)

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:39:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>The US was completely irrelevant to WW2 until Pearl Harbour, you ignorant clown.

FDR knew about Japan's plan to bomb Peral Harbour, but kept silent. He
could have stopped them before they could ever bomb. He let war
happen, as it would profit Amerikan corporations.

>You wouldnt know what a real Nazi was if one bit you on your lard arse, child.

My, what an intelligent debater you are. THAT certainly put me in my
place. May I bow down to your greater wisdom? I am SO impressed!

>So now that you have spilled the beans on the rich, they'll have your executed eh ?

They would if they could. And they're trying as much as they can to
execute ALL good patriots who denounce our corrupt government. YOU
would, that's certain.

>Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.

Wow, again I am stunned by your brilliant parry. SUCH a debater you
are! Serves me right for thinking I could win an argument with the
brilliant like of you!

I can't imagine you holding down any kind of job, except one.

A BLOW job.

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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:11 am
From: not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill Ayres)

On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:41:25 GMT, chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief
Thracian) wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:53:26 GMT, not@home.org (Barack's Bomber, Bill
>Ayres) wrote:
>
>>Historians tell us that since the inception of homo sapiens, the world
>>has been at peace for something like 16 minutes.
>
>And the USA hasn't been helping any, either.

Russian school children ... British subway riders .... Spanish subway
riders .... Scottish airlines ... Buddhists ... Hindus ... atheists
... agnostics.

Yessah, your Muslim heroes provide equal opportunity.

>>Regarding the present, tell your whine to Akmed and those who are on a
>>global mission to convert, enslave, or kill all infidels.
>
>We need to start addressing the evils right here at home, too. Plenty
>of terrorism, violence,, religious fanaticism going on here, too.
>Plenty of poverty, homelessness, homophobia, racism, misogeny, etc.
>This nation's an unholy mess.

Actually, the only institutional racism today is directed against
whites in the form of govt.-sponsored preferential treatment for
non-whites.

And the SCOTUS decision in Grutter v. Bollinger keeps that cancer
alive although to a lesser degree than had been the case before the
simultaneous Gratz decision, both of which were rendered 6/2003.

>>Are you Neville Chamberlain's great grandson?
>
>There is no denying the US businesses invested heavily in the Nazi
>empire, which fostered the last great war. That fact does not make
>anyone a Neville Chamberlain, simply for stating it.

Yesterday's friends are today's enemies ... and vice versa. Stuff
changes. We supported Saddam when we believed that Iran was more
evil. Japanese have been good buddies since, 1945, and so on ....

>>Perhaps you'd find life more enjoyable in a utopia like Cuba, North
>>Korea, or Vietnam.
>
>Of course not. My claim is the US is barely any better, these days.
>We've become a fascist empire. How convenient of you to NOT cite those
>nations in which I WOULD find life more enjoyable, because democratic
>ideals are better practiced there:
>
>Holland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Spain, France, Canada, New Zealand,
>Australia, and most of the remaining western-civilized nations.

Canada and the Euro countries are excellent choices for devoted
socialists.

When are you leaving?

>>Perhaps you'd savor life in one of the 57 Muslim countries. If you're
>>a female, I'm sure you'd enjoy practicing the quaint traditions of
>>Sharia law.
>
>I'm a gay male. Gays are treated even worse than women are, in Islam.
>But gays are not much better off here in the US. We gays are
>terrorized 24/7/365 here in the so-called free world of Amerika.

Really? Aren't you part of the "protected" minority class too?

The institutional bias I have seen has been directed at straight,
white, non-Hispanic, non-Islamic males.

Tell us how society has terrorized you ... not talking about
individuals but society as a whole.

And did this bias exist before the AIDS epidemic?

CDC: 1 million living with HIV in U.S.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/06/13/hiv.cases.ap/index.html

(...)

The CDC's latest estimates indicate blacks account for 47 percent of
HIV
cases; gay and bisexual men make up 45 percent of those living with
the
virus that causes AIDS, the health agency believes.

In 2003, the rates of AIDS cases were 58 per 100,000 in the black
population, 10 per 100,000 Hispanics, 6 per 100,000 whites, 8 per
100,000
American Indian/Alaska native population, and 4 per 100,000
Asian/Pacific
Islanders.

(...)

>> I've heard of the wonders of national health from my friends in UK.
>>They get to pull their own teeth, wait a mere 6 months to get MRIs, 2
>>years to see a psychiatrist .... rejection of obese patients ...
>>delaying necessary treatment for cancer patients ....
>
>You pick the worst example of health care in western europe. How
>convenient of you. And Canada has been sabotaged by the overrunning of
>US for-profit health services, which should never have been allowed.
>France, Spain, Holland, Scandanavia and various other western nations
>are far superior w/health care than the US/England/Canada.

Hey, I know that there's a health care crisis here, but before we
plunge into socialized medicine, we had better do detailed analysis
and learn from the pitfalls of other nations so as not to repeat them.

>>Hey, if it talks like a commie, and smells like a commie ......
>
>Go ahead, be as ignorant as you want, you're a brainwashed dolt. So
>anything that is a compassionate plan is "communistic". Good show!
>YOU'RE kind of democracy is indistinguishable from a Nazi regime.

Actually, the brainwashing has been done by the leftist MSM of the
past 50 years.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:16 pm
From: "JR Weiss"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> There really are no guarantees.
>
> Yes there are. . .
>> Even if the FDIC guarantees your bank deposits against bank failures, your
>> deposits aren't guaranteed against inflation, nor devaluation of the dollar.
>
> They can be guaranteed against both if you organise them properly.

Oh great financial guru, pray tell ALL of us how to "organise them properly" to
secure guarantees against both inflation and devaluation!

Of course, as always, we'll understand completely if you can't back up your
claims with even a single fact. We're used to that...

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TOPIC: All bankers are criminals and should be treated as such.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 10:50 am
From: "Paul Thomas, CPA"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
> And only the lenders a being bailed out.

A very limited statement if ever there was.

The breadth of a bailout extends far beyond the doors of the lender.
"Ordinary Joe" and his pension fund benefit too. The employees benefit, as
do all those whom the employee trades with. All the lender's suppliers
benefit from future business. And the ripple effect takes it all the way
down to "Homeless Joe" living under a tarp at the edge of town.

--
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those who do not, none will suffice." - Joseph Dunniger

Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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TOPIC: What's an average wait time for large checks deposited?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:24 pm
From: Derald

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

>In addition, funds you deposit by check may be delayed for a longer period
>under the following circumstances:
>snip<
>
>You deposit checks totaling more than $5,000.00 on any one day.
They have "carte blanche". That's a typical condition for "large"
deposits. Obviously, the person who gave you the verbal guideline was
misinformed.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:49 am
From: George Grapman

Derald wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:
>
>> In addition, funds you deposit by check may be delayed for a longer period
>> under the following circumstances:
>> snip<
>>
>> You deposit checks totaling more than $5,000.00 on any one day.
> They have "carte blanche". That's a typical condition for "large"
> deposits. Obviously, the person who gave you the verbal guideline was
> misinformed.

Once I deposited a large check and was told there would be a long
hold. The teller assured me that nothing could be done. I found the
branch manager who looked at my account history and released part of the
funds immediately. He said he would call the issuing bank in a few days
and if it cleared he would release the remainder which is what happened.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:44 pm
From: Derald

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>He said he would call the issuing bank in a few days
>and if it cleared he would release the remainder which is what happened.
Talk about, "exception that proves the rule".... Maybe it would
work for OP, if he's done business with the bank for some time and they
understand the purpose of his transaction.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:59 pm
From: James

On Sep 17, 7:38 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> I just sold some stocks so that we could finally pay off our mortgage
> completely. I got the checks from scottrade in the mail yesterday, and went
> to deposit them. I was told there would be a delay before the funds would
> be available. I figured it would be maybe 3 days. They told me it would be
> 5, so I figured max of 1 week including the weekend.
>
> When I got home, I noticed that the receipt said the funds would be
> available OCTOBER 1, not the 5 days I had been told. So now I have to wait
> a full two weeks before paying off the mortgage, which seems excessive.
> It's a whole half month they get to keep my $ and I can't do anything with
> it.
>
> Now I'm remembering that we had to wait a whole week when we deposited our
> tax refund, and that was directly from the US Treasury. The US Treasury and
> Scottrade are well known, trusted entities, so why in the world are they
> making us wait so long for funds to be available? What is the purpose? I
> thought they usually just scanned the checks and transferred the funds in a
> day, like a wire transfer.
>
> Are these normal wait times at banks for "large" deposits of around $11k?
> I'm wondering why the cashier told me 5 days, but it turns out to be 15.
>
> LONGER DELAYS MAY APPLY
>
> In some cases, we will not make all of the funds that you deposit by check
> available to you on the same business day as the day of your deposit.
> Depending on the type of check that you deposit, funds may not be available
> until the fifth business day after the day of your deposit. However, the
> first $100.00 of your deposit will be available no later than the first
> business day after the day of your deposit.
>
> If we are not going to make all of the funds from your deposit available on
> the same business day as the day of your deposit, we will notify you at the
> time you make your deposit. We will also tell you when the funds will be
> available. If your deposit is not made directly to one of our employees, or
> if we decide to take this action after you have left the premises, we will
> mail you the notice by the business day after the business day we receive
> your deposit.
>
> If you will need the funds from a deposit right away, you should ask us when
> the funds will be available.
> In addition, funds you deposit by check may be delayed for a longer period
> under the following circumstances:
> We believe a check you deposited will not be paid.
>
> You deposit checks totaling more than $5,000.00 on any one day.
>
> You redeposit a check that has been returned unpaid.
>
> You have overdrawn your account repeatedly in the last six months.
>
> There is an emergency, such as failure of communications or computer
> equipment.

You might want to set up electronic transfer at Scottrade for next
time. There is no fee and the money is transfer directly to the bank
overnight. Don't know how long the bank can hold your money but at
least you save a couple days on the mail.

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TOPIC: Check reordering
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:24 pm
From: Derald

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

>Getting longer delivery and vinyl saved about $15.
Don't you just love it when they assume you to want the next higher
tier or premium service which puts extra money in their pockets for
essentially nothing? They must have learned it from the telephone
companies.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:45 am
From: George Grapman

Derald wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>> Getting longer delivery and vinyl saved about $15.
> Don't you just love it when they assume you to want the next higher
> tier or premium service which puts extra money in their pockets for
> essentially nothing? They must have learned it from the telephone
> companies.

A few times I have asked companies to detail the charges before I
order and have found that the shipping charges far exceed their actual
cost. The following conversation ensues:

"That Fedex charge is way out of line. I have a Fedex account and
and I am sure that you get a better rate than I do"

"I am just going by our listed rates"

"I understand, so how about if if I give you my Fedex account
number and you can use that to ship it"

"I don't think I can do that"

"Fine,can I speak to a supervisor?"

Usually after the supervisor understands that they will lose the
sale they recalculate the charges.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:47 am
From: George Grapman

A friend recently moved and AT&T tried to include all the added
features. They were shocked that someone could survive without call
waiting and three way because all she wanted was Caller ID.

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TOPIC: Free MP3 Radio: The French Connection has been absolutely correct since
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Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:26 am
From: LOVE Europe HATE the EU

Wednesday 17th Sept
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TOPIC: Surviving a bear attack
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:39 am
From: "Ryan Robbins"

"y_p_w" <y_p_w@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2faabc58-36f0-4bd2-98a0-d159c998ca88@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>That black bear in Utah last year wasn't known as a serial campground
>raider. It had done so maybe the day before, but that was definitely
>a predatory attack on the kid.

I'm wondering whether that kid, and others like him, was wearing the same
clothes he wore when Mom and Dad cooked on the camp fire. It seems to me
that in these campground attacks the bear believes the human is mighty
tasty. Wearing clothes that have a strong odor (to the bear) of food would
make a hungry bear think so.

>In any case, wailing away at a black bear should typically work.
>Perhaps there are no guarantees, but everything I hear about black
>bears are that they tend to avoid physical confrontation.

This is most likely because the black bear has survived by being a master at
stealth, using brush for concealment and trees for escape from larger
predators when black bears weren't the largest creatures in the wild. These
days, black bears living near humans have added nocturnal behavior to avoid
confrontations.

The grizzly, on the other hand, evolved in wide open spaces. It had no place
to hide; it had to fight.

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TOPIC: Palin splurgin' on $2,500 silk jackets and other high fashion
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 11:43 am
From: timeOday

Val N. Teenow wrote:
> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?

Good question. Who's picking up the tab?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:09 pm
From: "charliekilo"

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
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> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?

Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
$125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a production
manager in the oil field and add his professional fisherman income...they
probably have at least a $275,000 annual income, no state income tax and a
low cost of living...I can easily see how she could splurge on a $2500
jacket.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:26 pm
From: "Dano"

charliekilo wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>
>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
> production manager in the oil field and add his professional
> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
> see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.

You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a tad
extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost of living"? In
Alaska? Really? You think?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:29 pm
From: Gumby

On Sep 17, 2:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> charliekilo wrote:
> > "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
> >news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> >> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> > Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> > $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
> > production manager in the oil field and add his professional
> > fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
> > income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
> > see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>
> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a tad
> extravagent to this middle class voter

You're not a woman, obviously. Saks, Nordstrom, etc. normally sell
silk jackets for well above $2,000. Lots of people buy them; even
those who are not filthy rich.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:36 pm
From: "charliekilo"

"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:aOCdnY8cf55-xEzVnZ2dnUVZ_uudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> charliekilo wrote:
>> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
>> news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Val N. Teenow wrote:
>>>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>>>
>>> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>>
>> Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
>> $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
>> production manager in the oil field and add his professional
>> fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
>> income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
>> see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>
> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a
> tad extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost of living"?
> In Alaska? Really? You think?

$2500 bucks for a jacket...for one of the biggest events in your life
doesn't seem too extravagant to me. My wife and I together make a little
more than they do, we live well within our means, and while my wife doesn't
have a $2500 jacket she does have several $2500 suits and a whole bunch of
purses in the $1000 range (*That* seems extravagant to me. lol!). As for
cost of living, compared to my domicile in Austin, TX, Wasilla, AK seems
cheap -- at least housing costs.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 12:47 pm
From: Rich Hutnik

On Sep 17, 3:26 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> charliekilo wrote:
> > "timeOday" <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote in message
> >news:B-SdnZhgTvtV0kzVnZ2dnUVZ_o3inZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> Val N. Teenow wrote:
> >>> Where does a "hockey mom" get the money for $2,500 jackets?
>
> >> Good question. Who's picking up the tab?
>
> > Well, according to Stateline.org, the salary for Alaska's governor is
> > $125,000 and her husband probably pulls in that much or more as a
> > production manager in the oil field and add his professional
> > fisherman income...they probably have at least a $275,000 annual
> > income, no state income tax and a low cost of living...I can easily
> > see how she could splurge on a $2500 jacket.
>
> You may be right...although 2,500 bucks for a SINGLE jacket seems just a tad
> extravagent to this middle class voter...but a "low cost of living"? In
> Alaska? Really? You think?

There are days that I long for John Edward's haircut not being made a
political issue. Now, we have to pay attention to the cost of clothes
that people are wearing, like McCain's loafers and his wife's
wardrobe. How about competency be the issue, rather than whether or
not the candidate is "like us"? Eating a baloney sandwich like Dubya
does isn't a measure for how good of a president they will be.

- Rich

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 17 2008 1:06 pm
From: dennism3@dennism3.invalid (Dennis M)

In article
<0f328d0c-c591-4713-89ab-1f9af18b2ebe@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, Rich
Hutnik <richardhutnik@gmail.com> wrote:

>There are days that I long for John Edward's haircut not being made a
>political issue. Now, we have to pay attention to the cost of clothes
>that people are wearing, like McCain's loafers and his wife's
>wardrobe.

You're damn right we have to pay attention to decadent personal spending by
Republican leaders, because they're being hypocritical.

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