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TOPIC: Where are YOU cutting back?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 2:52 pm
From: "Lee Michaels"
"Mark & Juanita" wrote
> Swingman wrote:
>
>> "Robatoy" wrote
>>
>>> It is at times like these that a lot of good toys are going cheap. Stuff
>>> like motor bikes, power boats, even cottages up north are showing more
>>> ForSale signs. (A lot of Michiganians are no longer willing to spend the
>>> money on fuel to get there.)
>>
>> Not cheap enough.
>>
>> I want a bass boat. I'm watching craigslist in three states. Have the
>> icons on my desktop to prove it. I even have a lake with dock to put it
>> in. I have requested additional pictures from all the sucker sellers who
>> will send them, just so I can mas ... er, salivate.
>>
>> That said, SWMBO just got off the phone after making me pay for youngest
>> daughter's round trip home from college for Thanksgiving.
>>
>> ... and now the Christmas reservations must be made.
>>
>> ... and that dock needs repair, and the permit for that is $250, then the
>> material, plus gas to get there.
>>
>> So much for the farking bass boat ... now wondering if I can afford a
>> cork
>> and cane pole?
>>
>
> Tell ya what, if times are that tight, I'll pitch in for the cork for
> you.
>
I can pitch in with a cork too. Just as soon as I find that wine bottle
that still uses real cork.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 4:18 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <04605ad9$0$29453$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>"Gary Heston" wrote
>> How many monitors do you need? Most of our workstations are dual monitor
>> with the GeForce 8800GTs... Perhaps you would benefit more with a better
>> video adapter (or two) to offload the main CPU a bit.
>How many monitors do I need?? That is like asking how much sex do I need!
>My applications cover so many different time periods and data, that it is
>not possible to put them all together on one desktop. I am designing
>workstations that will support on specialized poles, from 24 to as many as
>40 flat panel displays. Another issue is the new wider flat panel displays.
>Can my present applications utilize these wider dispalys? Or will they just
>make it more difficult to see what needs to seen now? Again, details like
>drivers and stresses on system resources need to be addressed.
I'd say you're definantly a niche market, with that many displays required.
Have you looked into clusters? That would allow lots of monitors to be
supported, provide lots of CPUs and memory, and improve reliability.
>Another big problem is tht nobody really addresses how their product will
>perform in these extreme applictions. It really boils down to the fact that
>there is a cycle involved as to how often you upgrade/replace hardware. You
>get the best you can get at the time with funds available.
So, I suppose calling SGI is not an option...
Gary
--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 6:38 pm
From: cavelamb himself
Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Gary Heston" wrote
>
>>How many monitors do you need? Most of our workstations are dual monitor
>>with the GeForce 8800GTs... Perhaps you would benefit more with a better
>>video adapter (or two) to offload the main CPU a bit.
>>
>
>
> How many monitors do I need?? That is like asking how much sex do I need!
>
> My applications cover so many different time periods and data, that it is
> not possible to put them all together on one desktop. I am designing
> workstations that will support on specialized poles, from 24 to as many as
> 40 flat panel displays. Another issue is the new wider flat panel displays.
> Can my present applications utilize these wider dispalys? Or will they just
> make it more difficult to see what needs to seen now? Again, details like
> drivers and stresses on system resources need to be addressed.
>
> Another big problem is tht nobody really addresses how their product will
> perform in these extreme applictions. It really boils down to the fact that
> there is a cycle involved as to how often you upgrade/replace hardware. You
> get the best you can get at the time with funds available.
>
>
>
I've been toying with that idea as well.
I hate digging through a bunch of small windows to looks something up
while I'm drawing or whatever.
A second (or third?) screen would be most useful.
--
Richard
(remove the X to email)
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 7:23 pm
From: The Real Bev
cavelamb himself wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> "Gary Heston" wrote
>>
>>>How many monitors do you need? Most of our workstations are dual monitor
>>>with the GeForce 8800GTs... Perhaps you would benefit more with a better
>>>video adapter (or two) to offload the main CPU a bit.
>>
>> How many monitors do I need?? That is like asking how much sex do I need!
>>
>> My applications cover so many different time periods and data, that it is
>> not possible to put them all together on one desktop. I am designing
>> workstations that will support on specialized poles, from 24 to as many as
>> 40 flat panel displays. Another issue is the new wider flat panel displays.
>> Can my present applications utilize these wider dispalys? Or will they just
>> make it more difficult to see what needs to seen now? Again, details like
>> drivers and stresses on system resources need to be addressed.
>>
>> Another big problem is tht nobody really addresses how their product will
>> perform in these extreme applictions. It really boils down to the fact that
>> there is a cycle involved as to how often you upgrade/replace hardware. You
>> get the best you can get at the time with funds available.
>
> I've been toying with that idea as well.
>
> I hate digging through a bunch of small windows to looks something up
> while I'm drawing or whatever.
>
> A second (or third?) screen would be most useful.
X/linux will allow you to have as many screens (desktops,not monitors)
as you want -- I use 4 and can move from one to another by moving my
mouse to the edge of the current screen. The Windows powertoys
(tweakui) will also allow you 4 screens.
--
Cheers,
Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
No lawyering. Prosecutors will be violated.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 8:14 pm
From: "Lee Michaels"
"Gary Heston" wrote
>
> I'd say you're definantly a niche market, with that many displays
> required.
> Have you looked into clusters? That would allow lots of monitors to be
> supported, provide lots of CPUs and memory, and improve reliability.
>
OK, you are in an area that I have not heard of. What are clusters? The
present solution is to configure various windows machines with either 4, 6.
8 or 12 monitors. Then put them nex to each other.
Another problem is drivers. Many of these systems do not allow monitors to
be configured three high. So we configure two sets of whatever on the
bottom two high. Then a third unit on top, spread across the top of the
other units. They are then configured as a horizontal configuration. Then
the whole thing is run from three mice and micro keyboards. We use the
keyboards very little for these programs.
If you have any other suggestions, like the clusters, etc, send them along.
I am in research mode for the next systems to be installed in the next 3 - 6
months.
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 3:00 pm
From: E Z Peaces
Bob F wrote:
> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:QnqMk.50899$XT1.19860@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
>> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the primaries, Clinton
>> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his citizenship. His
>> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama relative who
>> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya. Obama filed to
>> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's not a U.S.
>> citizen.
>>
>> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth certificate. Some
>> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So factcheck.org
>> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had the same
>> artifacts.
>>
>> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the August 13,
>> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
>>
>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>
> His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where he was
> born anyway.
>
> I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
>
>
Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided in
the United States a certain number of years, including five years after
turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she hadn't
turned 19.
The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case, but
I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have been
Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is unexpectedly
born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
American citizen?
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 3:08 pm
From: "NotMe"
"E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:BK5Nk.55821$vX2.46613@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| Bob F wrote:
| > "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
| > news:QnqMk.50899$XT1.19860@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
| >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
| >>> http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
| >> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the primaries,
Clinton
| >> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his citizenship.
His
| >> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama
relative who
| >> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya. Obama
filed to
| >> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's not a
U.S.
| >> citizen.
| >>
| >> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth certificate.
Some
| >> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So
factcheck.org
| >> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had the
same
| >> artifacts.
| >>
| >> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the August
13,
| >> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
| >>
| >> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
| >
| > His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where
he was
| > born anyway.
| >
| > I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
| >
| >
|
| Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided in
| the United States a certain number of years, including five years after
| turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she hadn't
| turned 19.
|
| The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case, but
| I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have been
| Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
| Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is unexpectedly
| born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
| American citizen?
The baby is an American citizen what the baby can't be is POTUS when he
grows up.
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 4:17 pm
From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg)
In article <a-OdnXpgHuxlRJnUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where he was
>born anyway.
>
>I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
No one (that I know of) is claiming he is not a US citizen. But to be
president requires more. He must be a US citizen AND be born in the
USA. Its this latter test the wackos are claiming he fails.
--
Rich Greenberg N Ft Myers, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 239 543 1353
Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67
Canines:Val, Red, Shasta & Casey (RIP), Red & Zero, Siberians Owner:Chinook-L
Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 4:19 pm
From: E Z Peaces
NotMe wrote:
> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:BK5Nk.55821$vX2.46613@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> | Bob F wrote:
> | > "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> | > news:QnqMk.50899$XT1.19860@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> | >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> | >>> http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
> | >> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the primaries,
> Clinton
> | >> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his citizenship.
> His
> | >> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama
> relative who
> | >> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya. Obama
> filed to
> | >> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's not a
> U.S.
> | >> citizen.
> | >>
> | >> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth certificate.
> Some
> | >> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So
> factcheck.org
> | >> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had the
> same
> | >> artifacts.
> | >>
> | >> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the August
> 13,
> | >> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
> | >>
> | >> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
> | >
> | > His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where
> he was
> | > born anyway.
> | >
> | > I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
> | >
> | >
> |
> | Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided in
> | the United States a certain number of years, including five years after
> | turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she hadn't
> | turned 19.
> |
> | The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case, but
> | I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have been
> | Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
> | Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is unexpectedly
> | born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
> | American citizen?
>
>
> The baby is an American citizen what the baby can't be is POTUS when he
> grows up.
>
>
Yeah, that's it. It seems like a strange distinction. I wonder if the
founding fathers wrote to it to exclude a particular politician.
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 5:16 pm
From: "Erehwon"
"E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:_R6Nk.51787$XT1.1401@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> NotMe wrote:
>> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:BK5Nk.55821$vX2.46613@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> | Bob F wrote:
>> | > "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> | > news:QnqMk.50899$XT1.19860@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> | >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> | >>> http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
>> | >> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the primaries,
>> Clinton
>> | >> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his
>> citizenship. His
>> | >> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama
>> relative who
>> | >> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya. Obama
>> filed to
>> | >> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's not
>> a U.S.
>> | >> citizen.
>> | >>
>> | >> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth certificate.
>> Some
>> | >> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So
>> factcheck.org
>> | >> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had the
>> same
>> | >> artifacts.
>> | >>
>> | >> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the
>> August 13,
>> | >> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
>> | >>
>> | >> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>> | >
>> | > His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter
>> where he was
>> | > born anyway.
>> | >
>> | > I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
>> | >
>> | >
>> |
>> | Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided in
>> | the United States a certain number of years, including five years after
>> | turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she
>> hadn't
>> | turned 19.
>> |
>> | The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case, but
>> | I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have been
>> | Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
>> | Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is unexpectedly
>> | born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
>> | American citizen?
>>
>>
>> The baby is an American citizen what the baby can't be is POTUS when he
>> grows up.
> Yeah, that's it. It seems like a strange distinction. I wonder if the
> founding fathers wrote to it to exclude a particular politician.
I wonder if was just intended to exclude naturalized American citizens.
Surprising that a case hasn't made it's way to the courts to determine what
the original "intent" of the language was.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 6:02 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <ge2tps$4d8$2@reader1.panix.com>,
richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) wrote:
> In article <a-OdnXpgHuxlRJnUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where he
> >was
> >born anyway.
> >
> >I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
>
> No one (that I know of) is claiming he is not a US citizen. But to be
> president requires more. He must be a US citizen AND be born in the
> USA. Its this latter test the wackos are claiming he fails.
Really? Where is that written? The Constitution says only that a
president be a natural born citizen.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 6:18 pm
From: E Z Peaces
Erehwon wrote:
> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:_R6Nk.51787$XT1.1401@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> NotMe wrote:
>>> "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:BK5Nk.55821$vX2.46613@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>> | Bob F wrote:
>>> | > "E Z Peaces" <cash@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> | > news:QnqMk.50899$XT1.19860@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>> | >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> | >>> http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931
>>> | >> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the primaries,
>>> Clinton
>>> | >> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his
>>> citizenship. His
>>> | >> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama
>>> relative who
>>> | >> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya. Obama
>>> filed to
>>> | >> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's not
>>> a U.S.
>>> | >> citizen.
>>> | >>
>>> | >> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth certificate.
>>> Some
>>> | >> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So
>>> factcheck.org
>>> | >> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had the
>>> same
>>> | >> artifacts.
>>> | >>
>>> | >> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the
>>> August 13,
>>> | >> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
>>> | >>
>>> | >> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>>> | >
>>> | > His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter
>>> where he was
>>> | > born anyway.
>>> | >
>>> | > I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
>>> | >
>>> | >
>>> |
>>> | Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided in
>>> | the United States a certain number of years, including five years after
>>> | turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she
>>> hadn't
>>> | turned 19.
>>> |
>>> | The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case, but
>>> | I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have been
>>> | Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
>>> | Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is unexpectedly
>>> | born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
>>> | American citizen?
>>>
>>>
>>> The baby is an American citizen what the baby can't be is POTUS when he
>>> grows up.
>> Yeah, that's it. It seems like a strange distinction. I wonder if the
>> founding fathers wrote to it to exclude a particular politician.
>
> I wonder if was just intended to exclude naturalized American citizens.
> Surprising that a case hasn't made it's way to the courts to determine what
> the original "intent" of the language was.
>
>
Apparently John Jay and George Washington decided certain high offices
should be limited to natural citizens as a way of keeping power within
their group. (A lot of influential Americans in those days were not
natives.) However, the Constitution left it to Congress to define the
distinction between natural and naturalized citizens.
John McCain's parents were citizens, but he was not a citizen according
to the law when he was born. George Romney's parents were citizens, but
he did not come to America until he was 32. I don't know what the law
said about his citizenship when he ran for Vice President in 1968.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 9:50 pm
From: "NotMe"
"E Z Peaces"
| >>> | >> Right. When Obama was Hillary Clinton's opponent in the
primaries,
| >>> Clinton
| >>> | >> supporter Philip J. Berg filed suit for Obama to prove his
| >>> citizenship. His
| >>> | >> only evidence to the contrary was a rumor that an unknown Obama
| >>> relative who
| >>> | >> may no longer have been living had said he was born in Kenya.
Obama
| >>> filed to
| >>> | >> have the suit dismissed. Berg calls that an admission that he's
not
| >>> a U.S.
| >>> | >> citizen.
| >>> | >>
| >>> | >> To answer speculation, Obama posted a scan of his birth
certificate.
| >>> Some
| >>> | >> bloggers pointed to artifacts as proof it was a forgery. So
| >>> factcheck.org
| >>> | >> scanned a genuine birth certificate and found that the scan had
the
| >>> same
| >>> | >> artifacts.
| >>> | >>
| >>> | >> Then factcheck.org found an announcement of Obama's birth in the
| >>> August 13,
| >>> | >> 1961 edition of the /Honolulu Advertiser./
| >>> | >>
| >>> | >> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
| >>> | >
| >>> | > His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter
| >>> where he was
| >>> | > born anyway.
| >>> | >
| >>> | > I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
| >>> | >
| >>> | >
| >>> |
| >>> | Those who doubt his citizenship say one parent has to have resided
in
| >>> | the United States a certain number of years, including five years
after
| >>> | turning fourteen. They say his mother didn't qualify because she
| >>> hadn't
| >>> | turned 19.
| >>> |
| >>> | The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii makes it moot in this case,
but
| >>> | I'm curious about the law. Suppose two college students who have
been
| >>> | Americans all their lives get married. They are over the border in
| >>> | Canada, perhaps viewing Niagara Falls, when their baby is
unexpectedly
| >>> | born. If neither parent has turned nineteen, is the baby not an
| >>> | American citizen?
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> The baby is an American citizen what the baby can't be is POTUS when
he
| >>> grows up.
| >> Yeah, that's it. It seems like a strange distinction. I wonder if the
| >> founding fathers wrote to it to exclude a particular politician.
| >
| > I wonder if was just intended to exclude naturalized American citizens.
| > Surprising that a case hasn't made it's way to the courts to determine
what
| > the original "intent" of the language was.
| >
| >
| Apparently John Jay and George Washington decided certain high offices
| should be limited to natural citizens as a way of keeping power within
| their group. (A lot of influential Americans in those days were not
| natives.) However, the Constitution left it to Congress to define the
| distinction between natural and naturalized citizens.
|
| John McCain's parents were citizens, but he was not a citizen according
| to the law when he was born. George Romney's parents were citizens, but
| he did not come to America until he was 32. I don't know what the law
| said about his citizenship when he ran for Vice President in 1968.
The Canal Zone is considered US property as is (I'm out on a limb here) any
US base in the world for the purposed of being a natural born citizen of the
USA wrt kids of service personal.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 9:54 pm
From: "NotMe"
"Rich Greenberg" <richgr@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ge2tps$4d8$2@reader1.panix.com...
| In article <a-OdnXpgHuxlRJnUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
| Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
|
| [...]
|
| >His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where
he was
| >born anyway.
| >
| >I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
|
| No one (that I know of) is claiming he is not a US citizen. But to be
| president requires more. He must be a US citizen AND be born in the
| USA. Its this latter test the wackos are claiming he fails.
|
It's a moot point as the US State Department has accepted therefore
validated from a legal stand point Obama's BC from the state of Hawaii as
valid for his passport.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 10:35 pm
From: JonL
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <ge2tps$4d8$2@reader1.panix.com>,
> richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) wrote:
>
>> In article <a-OdnXpgHuxlRJnUnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
>> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> His mother is an American. So he is an American citizen, no matter where he
>>> was
>>> born anyway.
>>>
>>> I am constantly amazed about the lies the wackos make up.
>> No one (that I know of) is claiming he is not a US citizen. But to be
>> president requires more. He must be a US citizen AND be born in the
>> USA. Its this latter test the wackos are claiming he fails.
>
> Really? Where is that written? The Constitution says only that a
> president be a natural born citizen.
I think to qualify as natural born his mother would have had to return
to the US for at least 5 years. She may have spent 5 in Hawaii, it's
kinda murky,imo.
Either way, there's something fishy here...his "Certificate of Live
Birth" is a crude forgery, according to Israeli experts. The security
pattern is unlike any used in Hawaii at that time.
Also, some politically-correct amateur forger entered _African_ as his
race.` The term for blacks on all legal docs in Hawaii at that time was
_Negro.
Then there's the minor issue of him attending a public school in
Indonesia.`(Iirc, the 2nd school he attended there was public)
At that time only citizens of Indonesia were allowed to attend public
schools. Dual citizenship was not recognized at that time, so he must
have become a naturalized Indonesian citizen.
Without his mother present, was he able to get his US citizenship
reinstated, assuming he was a US cit when they left Hawaii 4 Indonesia??
btw, McCain was born in the People's Republic of Panama
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 3:06 pm
From: "rick++"
Check the pay-as-you go phones at Targets, Walmarts, Walgreens, etc.
Some have plans as low a $100 a year. You usually have to buy a
minimum
amount each quarter. Virgin's minimum is $15 a quarter. Tracfone's
$100
last whole year.
You dont get many minutes on the minimal plan - I estimated about 25
minutes
a month for Virgin. But it is be long distance too which is helpful
as
more cellphone people keep their old numbers as they move to other
cities.
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TOPIC: Estate sales aren't frugal
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 4:18 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:47:03 -0500, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
wrote:
> I have a dead console
>TV that I plan to turn into a cabinet by cutting out the front, making
>smoked-plexiglass doors, and installing shelves and a solid back. The
>guts will go to the local hazardous waste facility for recyling.
>
>
>Gary
I have some smoked plexiglass about 16" wide and a few feet long if
you want some for your project.
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TOPIC: vacuum cleaner new
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 4:46 pm
From: E Z Peaces
john d hamilton wrote:
> This photo shows the black very thin plastic type filter that sits facing
> the fan on a household Hitachi CV-SF8 vacuum cleaner.
>
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=11rxdm0&s=4
>
> Immediately behind this sits a plastic frame with a nylon fine mesh filter
> and sitting in this frame is a black high density sponge filter. (doing a
> search on this sponge filter, it's called a Mesh-Urethane filter).
>
> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6gv5tl&s=4
>
> This Mesh-Urethane filter is on the *right* side of this photo, the black
> one on the left is the reverse of the very thin plastic type filter referred
> to above.
>
> This Mesh-Urethane filter really restricts the air flow. Its a bit better
> when I wash it out under the tap with soap and water but soon seems to clog
> up again. I find it works quite well if I relace it entirely with a piece of
> soft tissue toilet paper, and keep changing the paper and all the debris
> that builds up behind it.
>
> Now the question here is what exactly is this very thin plastic type filter
> (if indeed it is actually a filter) doing? It's the one on the left in the
> second photo. It seems to have microscopic slits in its surface, but when I
> wash it, it wont pass water through it, which surely it would if its some
> kind of filter? It's a thin flexible piece of plastic sheet, and seems
> really strong. Almost like a sheet of carbon fibre.
>
>
>
The first stage is supposed to get rid of almost all the dust by
centrifugal force. If the air then clogs a filter frequently, I wonder
if something is wrong with the first stage.
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TOPIC: Federal Reserve Cuts Interest Rates, but a 'Floor' Lets Companies Keep
Credit Card Interest High
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 5:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:
> It isn't a 'floor' that is keeping my Credit Card APR high - it is because
> they base their rates on LIBOR - the interst rate in LONDON banks.
No it isnt LONDON banks.
> Ticks me off.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 8:23 pm
From: "JonquilJan"
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6mkf6lFh55tdU1@mid.individual.net...
> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote:
>
> > It isn't a 'floor' that is keeping my Credit Card APR high - it is
because
> > they base their rates on LIBOR - the interst rate in LONDON banks.
>
> No it isnt LONDON banks.
>
> > Ticks me off.
>
>
Okay what is LIBOR then. I had a friend, who is a financial advisor,
research it for me. She printed out results from a Google search -
comparing LIBOR and Prime Rate. And it clearly identified LIBOR as from
London banks.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 7:56 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
>>> It isn't a 'floor' that is keeping my Credit Card APR high - it is because
>>> they base their rates on LIBOR - the interst rate in LONDON banks.
>> No it isnt LONDON banks.
>>> Ticks me off.
> Okay what is LIBOR then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBOR
> I had a friend, who is a financial advisor, research it for me.
> She printed out results from a Google search - comparing
> LIBOR and Prime Rate. And it clearly identified LIBOR as
> from London banks.
It may well have had the word London in it, but it isnt London banks.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 9:10 pm
From: "JonquilJan"
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6mkoufFh70t7U1@mid.individual.net...
> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
>
> >>> It isn't a 'floor' that is keeping my Credit Card APR high - it is
because
> >>> they base their rates on LIBOR - the interst rate in LONDON banks.
>
> >> No it isnt LONDON banks.
>
> >>> Ticks me off.
>
> > Okay what is LIBOR then.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBOR
>
> > I had a friend, who is a financial advisor, research it for me.
> > She printed out results from a Google search - comparing
> > LIBOR and Prime Rate. And it clearly identified LIBOR as
> > from London banks.
>
> It may well have had the word London in it, but it isnt London banks.
>
>
I have computer problems and cannot access any web sites - can get my email
and newsgroups - the web site address you posted is not available to me at
the moment. So could you please enlighten me as to what LIBOR is - if not
connected to London banks.
JonquilJan
Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 9:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
>>>>> It isn't a 'floor' that is keeping my Credit Card APR high - it is because
>>>>> they base their rates on LIBOR - the interst rate in LONDON banks.
>>>> No it isnt LONDON banks.
>>>>> Ticks me off.
>>> Okay what is LIBOR then.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LIBOR
>>> I had a friend, who is a financial advisor, research it for me.
>>> She printed out results from a Google search - comparing
>>> LIBOR and Prime Rate. And it clearly identified LIBOR as
>>> from London banks.
>> It may well have had the word London in it, but it isnt London banks.
> I have computer problems and cannot access any web sites - can get my
> email and newsgroups - the web site address you posted is not
> available to me at the moment. So could you please enlighten me as
> to what LIBOR is - if not connected to London banks.
That site says
The London Interbank Offered Rate (or LIBOR, pronounced /'la?b?r/) is a daily reference rate based on the interest rates
at which banks offer to lend unsecured funds to other banks in the London wholesale money market (or interbank market).
LIBOR will be slightly higher than the London Interbank Bid Rate (LIBID), the rate at which banks are prepared to accept
deposits. It is roughly comparable to the U.S. Federal funds rate.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 26 2008 6:24 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <16061-48FBA1CA-276@storefull-3133.bay.webtv.net>,
Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T) wrote:
> I wonder what other people do with the end of a bar of soap. Being a
> frugal person, I get it good and squishy moist, and p-r-e-s-s it onto a
> new bar of soap. I've been known to save the unused portion of a
> mini-bar from a hotel, and do the same. Sometimes it doesn't look
> pretty, but it's only soap.
That's what I used to do too. I now have a terry cloth bag that holds
about two regular size bars of soap, so I just use that to hold the
fragments and a larger bar and it works great. I just soak the cloth to
lather it up, and it works great. To clean it, I just remove the soap
and throw it in the wash.
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