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TOPIC: For Non-Muslims
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 5:43 pm
From: Lookout

On 30 Mar 2008 23:45:07 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
wrote:

>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:gka0v396hkdd6ur4k7j91np3t2ukmimedt@4ax.com:
>
>> On 30 Mar 2008 22:06:20 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:2660v3p2781mnisho0ep1gjlfpuoa1bn36@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>>>> They can be the same and different dumbass.
>>>>>> They are both made up. That's a fact.
>>>>>> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be part
>of.
>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
>>>>>
>>>>>You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
>>>>
>>>> Of course I'm not.
>>>
>>>I'm a secular humanist. Religion is not for me.
>>>
>>>I do know the difference between a crutch that helps a person walk and
>a
>>>life support system that keeps them going after death.
>>>
>>>Mainstream religion = crutch
>>>Scientology = life support system
>>>
>>>Figure it out.
>>
>> Prove there is life after death.
>>
>
>You obviously haven't read the first line of my post. I don't believe
>there is an afterlife. I don't need to be bribed with the promise of
>reward or the threat of punishment to behave as a decent human.
>
>But for the people who do, the promise of afterlife reward for good deeds
>and punishment for bad deeds is what keeps them in line. That is when
>religion is good - when it keeps people from doing bad. It's a crutch,
>yes, but it helps them walk.

They're idiots.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 5:59 pm
From: Aardvark

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:56:40 +0300, Markku Grönroos wrote:

> "Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller" <thisisf@lse.co.ck> kirjoitti
> viestissä:X1THj.19014$4f4.16146@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>>
>> "Mike the Brewer" <mike.tech@sysmotors.net> wrote in message
>> news:Q%RHj.29205$5i5.6130@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>
>>> "spack" <spack@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.22599db64d498245989687@news.btopenworld.com...
>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>
>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>
>>> It never ceases to amaze me that when an OT posting of this nature
>>> appears
>>> ( cross-posted to a number of groups ) it is so obvious that the
>>> sender is some
>>> kind of fanatic, yet there are a large number of subscribers tempted
>>> to reply, thus
>>> encouraging further annoying posts.
>>> Just put them in your killfile along with all the marketing spam from
>>> China
>>
>>
>> You can not normally do this withe these kinds of scum because they
>> change their email and name all of the time. So do what the rest of us
>> do and hate them like the rest of the world.
>>

Hey, you Scandinavian dickhead. If you can't think of anything
constructive to add to the thread then stop posting nothing.

BTW you missed a newsgroup in the crosspost.

--
Liverpool. European City Of Culture 2008
http://www.liverpool08.com

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 5:38 pm
From: Scientology is a cult

Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:nsc0v3h8v3l9qdvtr7s8nh5t7dekhkite5@4ax.com:

> On 30 Mar 2008 23:45:07 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
> wrote:
>
>>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>news:gka0v396hkdd6ur4k7j91np3t2ukmimedt@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 30 Mar 2008 22:06:20 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>news:2660v3p2781mnisho0ep1gjlfpuoa1bn36@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>>>> They can be the same and different dumbass.
>>>>>>> They are both made up. That's a fact.
>>>>>>> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be
>>>>>>> part
>>of.
>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>>> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course I'm not.
>>>>
>>>>I'm a secular humanist. Religion is not for me.
>>>>
>>>>I do know the difference between a crutch that helps a person walk
>>>>and
>>a
>>>>life support system that keeps them going after death.
>>>>
>>>>Mainstream religion = crutch
>>>>Scientology = life support system
>>>>
>>>>Figure it out.
>>>
>>> Prove there is life after death.
>>>
>>
>>You obviously haven't read the first line of my post. I don't believe
>>there is an afterlife. I don't need to be bribed with the promise of
>>reward or the threat of punishment to behave as a decent human.
>>
>>But for the people who do, the promise of afterlife reward for good
>>deeds and punishment for bad deeds is what keeps them in line. That
>>is when religion is good - when it keeps people from doing bad. It's
>>a crutch, yes, but it helps them walk.
>
> They're idiots.
>

Then get up from behind your computer and tell it to their faces as they
leave church.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 6:39 pm
From: Lookout

On 31 Mar 2008 00:38:14 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
wrote:

>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>news:nsc0v3h8v3l9qdvtr7s8nh5t7dekhkite5@4ax.com:
>
>> On 30 Mar 2008 23:45:07 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>news:gka0v396hkdd6ur4k7j91np3t2ukmimedt@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On 30 Mar 2008 22:06:20 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>news:2660v3p2781mnisho0ep1gjlfpuoa1bn36@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They can be the same and different dumbass.
>>>>>>>> They are both made up. That's a fact.
>>>>>>>> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be
>>>>>>>> part
>>>of.
>>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>>>> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course I'm not.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm a secular humanist. Religion is not for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do know the difference between a crutch that helps a person walk
>>>>>and
>>>a
>>>>>life support system that keeps them going after death.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mainstream religion = crutch
>>>>>Scientology = life support system
>>>>>
>>>>>Figure it out.
>>>>
>>>> Prove there is life after death.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You obviously haven't read the first line of my post. I don't believe
>>>there is an afterlife. I don't need to be bribed with the promise of
>>>reward or the threat of punishment to behave as a decent human.
>>>
>>>But for the people who do, the promise of afterlife reward for good
>>>deeds and punishment for bad deeds is what keeps them in line. That
>>>is when religion is good - when it keeps people from doing bad. It's
>>>a crutch, yes, but it helps them walk.
>>
>> They're idiots.
>>
>
>Then get up from behind your computer and tell it to their faces as they
>leave church.

I've been Birmingham talk radio on the most widely listened to
christian talk radio show back in 88 and did just that. 3 days
running. And laughed in their faces (ears). By the last day it was the
busiest call in they ever had and calls were 1 in 3 for my opinion.
I've written numerous local editorials saying just that and I've
stopped the elementary schools from handing out bibles.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 6:58 pm
From: "Lookout -- Hell no say it's not so. "

Lookout wrote:
> On 31 Mar 2008 00:38:14 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
> wrote:
>
>> Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:nsc0v3h8v3l9qdvtr7s8nh5t7dekhkite5@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 30 Mar 2008 23:45:07 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>> news:gka0v396hkdd6ur4k7j91np3t2ukmimedt@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Mar 2008 22:06:20 GMT, Scientology is a cult <Your@ema.yil>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lookout <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:2660v3p2781mnisho0ep1gjlfpuoa1bn36@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They can be the same and different dumbass.
>>>>>>>>> They are both made up. That's a fact.
>>>>>>>>> So what if you're left behind by a cult you don't want to be
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>> of.
>>>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>>>>> Religion makes you stupid. Period.
>>>>>>>> You're obviously not religious - what's your excuse then?
>>>>>>> Of course I'm not.
>>>>>> I'm a secular humanist. Religion is not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do know the difference between a crutch that helps a person walk
>>>>>> and
>>>> a
>>>>>> life support system that keeps them going after death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mainstream religion = crutch
>>>>>> Scientology = life support system
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Figure it out.
>>>>> Prove there is life after death.
>>>>>
>>>> You obviously haven't read the first line of my post. I don't believe
>>>> there is an afterlife. I don't need to be bribed with the promise of
>>>> reward or the threat of punishment to behave as a decent human.
>>>>
>>>> But for the people who do, the promise of afterlife reward for good
>>>> deeds and punishment for bad deeds is what keeps them in line. That
>>>> is when religion is good - when it keeps people from doing bad. It's
>>>> a crutch, yes, but it helps them walk.
>>> They're idiots.
>>>
>> Then get up from behind your computer and tell it to their faces as they
>> leave church.
>
> I've been Birmingham talk radio on the most widely listened to
> christian talk radio show back in 88 and did just that. 3 days
> running. And laughed in their faces (ears). By the last day it was the
> busiest call in they ever had and calls were 1 in 3 for my opinion.
> I've written numerous local editorials saying just that and I've
> stopped the elementary schools from handing out bibles.

Man, this person is an absolute lunatic. He doesn't have a job it seems
and he has nothing else to do but harass people on Earth. It's a sad,
sad and sad state of mind he has. He is trolling everything. Yes, he is
more of an asstacular ass-hole and a shittacular shit-hole that could
ever be imagined.

<VBG>

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== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:19 pm
From: catchme

Tralfamador wrote:
> catchme wrote:
>> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of
>> the Universe."
>> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
>> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his
>> beliefs.
>
> I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have
> expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious
> then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as
> our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
>
> I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
> what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of
> human beings. (Albert Einstein)
>
> The Jewish tradition also contains something else, something which finds
> splendid expression in many of the Psalms, namely, a sort of intoxicated joy
> and amazement at the beauty and grandeur of this world, of which man can
> form just a faint notion. This joy is the feeling from which true scientific
> research draws its spiritual sustenance, but which also seems to find
> expression in the song of birds. To tack this feeling to the idea of God
> seems mere childish absurdity. (Albert Einstein, 1934)
>
>
>

everytime i read someone like Einstein, I am led to a greater
recognisance of my own beliefs.
When I say this, I mean that I am constantly evaluating, and adapting- I
am a thinking person, and therefore on occasion i am bound to recognise
a flaw in my values.
Much of my own religion (i.e. on spirituality and respect for Nature) is
on similiar terms with Einstein, save that i belive as aristotle, in
seeking out one's own truth- and therefore I imagine a God much diferent
from Einstein and that of Organised Religion- a God who is (for the most
part) as disaffected with Humanity as we would be with an ant farm.
I dont fear God- not in the sense that if i commit a sin, im going to die.
In the greater sense, that what was made can be undone by the merest
whisper of a whim from a Superior Being...this i fear.
But why create the Universe at all?
If you were God, how else could you prove your power, if there was no
one to witness it? God's fear is that of being alone.
Therefore he needs us and we need Him. Whatever name you call him, he
does not care. Likely he will answer to every religious belief.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm

The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the
mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion
is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists,
manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty
which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms -
this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.
( Albert Einstein - The Merging of Spirit and Science)

My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely
superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak
and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of
the highest importance -- but for us, not for God. (Albert Einstein,The
Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton
University Press)

but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist
whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the
fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an
attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual
understanding of nature and of our own being. (Albert Einstein)

I see a pattern, but my imagination cannot picture the maker of that
pattern. I see a clock, but I cannot envision the clockmaker. The human
mind is unable to conceive of the four dimensions, so how can it
conceive of a God, before whom a thousand years and a thousand
dimensions are as one? (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton
University Press, 2000 p. 208)

Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as
that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source . .
. They are creatures who can't hear the music of the spheres. (The
Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University Press, 2000 p. 214)

In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human
mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no
God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support
for such views. (The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton University
Press, p. 214)

In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to
awaken this religious feeling and keep it alive in those who are
receptive to it. (Albert Einstein, 1930)

also:
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of
Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with
such life."

"To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is
something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity
reaches us only indirectly, this is religiousness." (What I Believe, 1930)

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:21 pm
From: catchme

Lookout wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:59:45 -0500, Logan Shaw
> <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Lookout wrote:
>>> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
>> Well, given the contents of the Newsgroups: line, that'd be either
>> (a) helpdesk support
>> (b) something about Scientology
>> (c) travel in Europe
>> (d) living on the cheap
>> or
>> (e) Television in the UK
>>
>> Given that your moniker is "lookout", which could suggest mild paranoia
>> and a keen desire to constantly remain aware of what might lie in wait
>> ready to trap you in some way, I'm going to guess (a) helpdesk, but I
>> could be wrong.
>>
>> Then again, I guess you could be a Scientologist helpdesk employee who
>> plans to vacation in Europe but doesn't have a big budget and so plans to
>> spend his time there mostly watching television.
>>
>> - Logan
> You're responding to a troll who's using my nick. He's on Usenetserver
> and he's very lonely for attention.

you have a lot in common with your imitator.....

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TOPIC: Punishing the frugal
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 5:51 pm
From: Noveau67@aol.com

Contact your congressperson and state your views. He or she is in a
position to affect this bailout. And congress does pay attention to
the phone calls and emails they get.

Also, one wonders about the future penalty for having a lot of 401k
and IRA money. No Social Security dollars for you greedy,
materialistic, conniving folks.... !! : (

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:40 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Noveau67@aol.com wrote:

> Contact your congressperson and state your views.

And they will file them in the round filing cabinet under their desk.

> He or she is in a position to affect this bailout.

And have enough of a clue to realise the downside of a full great depression too.

> And congress does pay attention to the phone calls and emails they get.

Pigs arse they do. They know there are plenty of fools like you calling.

> Also, one wonders about the future penalty for having a
> lot of 401k and IRA money. No Social Security dollars for
> you greedy, materialistic, conniving folks.... !! : (

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TOPIC: Why do homeowners have to make profit for their houses?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f27272fd623bd4c3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 6:51 pm
From: "Roger Shoaf"

It all depends on the market. As an example in my area, houses have dropped
30% from the high. If you became a homeowner at the top of the market, you
have taken a loss already.

Other causes for loss might be a tenant that trashes your house and sticks
you with rent unpaid. Funny thing the bank still wants their mortgage
payment, the county still wants their property taxes, and prospective
tenants still want to see a clean well maintained offering.

As far as realtors and mortgage brokers not keeping houses, you have to keep
in mind that a real estate agent is just a hired gun. They provide their
marketing skills, advertising etc in hopes of earning a commission. If the
property doesn't sell, they get nothing.

A mortgage broker puts together people wanting to borrow with people willing
to lend, and takes a piece of the loan from where ever they can get it.
they have no interest in e the property that is offered for sale or that is
sold.

As far as older homes go, there are advantages. The landscaping is in and
mature. The houses tended to be bigger and built out of better materials.
You tend to have larger lots and fewer restrictions (CC&Rs).

You might have nice things like real hardwood floors, a full basement or
other things that distinguish them from the newer cookie cutter homes.

Of course there are older homes that have serious issues, but this is why
you get an inspection.

If you are a tenant and the water heater goes out or the roof leaks it is
the landlords problem, if you own the place it is your problem.

Generally speaking however those who own and hold make out pretty well if
their property is in a desirable location.

--
Roger Shoaf
If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent.

<j_alik@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30384bbb-2e11-4483-bdaa-1acb8201c1ea@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Why do homeowners expect to make money on their houses, while renters
> have to spend for the domicile? It is against all the tenets in
> Economy 101.
>
> (1) There is no free lunch (including living) in U.S. or anywhere in
> the world.
> (2) The price of either tangible or intangible products is determined
> by supply and demand.
> (3) Nothing goes in one direction only in the Universe.
>
> Contrary thinking:
> (1) If buying house always makes money, why are there so many realtors
> and mortgage brokers? Why are they keeping buying houses for
> themselves as many as they can (because it is totally legal)?
>
> Reverse thinking:
> (1) For a house already in the market for 30 years, do you really want
> to buy it (old, small, in less-favored location, high cost to fix
> problems, etc.)? It will be the similar condition 30 years from now
> what your new house looks like, no matter how you well-maintain it.
> (2) For a homeowner who has already owned his/her house for 30 years,
> would he/she really make much money after factoring in the maintenance
> cost in all these years?

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TOPIC: Surviving in New York on 99 cents
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 6:55 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> Donna wrote
>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
>
>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/dining/26ninety.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin>
>
>>> Interesting story. Our dollar stores are not that great around here and often carry really inferior products. I'm
>>> thinking NYC has more to offer.
>
>> The 99-Cents-Only stores in the Los Angeles (and other, I guess) area carry a lot of foreign food (mostly China, but
>> not exclusively), a variety of name-brand sausage/hotdog products,
>
> Trouble is that those are made from surplus cats and dogs and rats.

Still, pretty tasty! Remember, nobody got sick from eating hamburger
made from the local downer cows, even though they were covered in their
own shit when they were dismembered. I ate street tacos in Tijuana. I
cook every once in a while. People worry too much.

>> fresh vegetables and fruits, a lot of exotic sauces (the Philippine banana sauce was pretty bland, but wotthehell) and
>> a nice variety of brand-name toothpaste and deodorant as well as a lot of imported bathroom needs and cleaning
>> supplies. Like Fry's, you could live in a 99-Cents-Only store :-)
>
>> http://www.99only.com/
>
>> I love those stores. The penny-a-minute long distance cards alone are worth the price of admission.
>
> You're better off with voip.

Not really if I make perhaps 10 minutes of LD phone calls in a BIG year.
And VOIP doesn't work when you have a power outage. No worries,
though, I've still got an old-fashioned non-wallwart phone and could
call the electric company to come out and fix the problem.

--
Cheers, Bev
*----------------------------------------------------*
*Are you *sure* there's a hyphen in "anal-retentive?"*

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:01 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> cswansonlbcbo@gmail.com wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Nope, you fucked that up completely. Any properly
>>> implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN fuckwit.
>
>> And that requires paying the monthly per line fees for both
>> local and long distance service that VOIP is supposed to avoid.
>
> But avoids the call charges except when the broadband is down.

I see. Spend ~$25/month to save maybe a nickel a month in LD? Yep,
sounds good to me, sign me up.

What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs
$10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges bring it up to $17.88. If I
select measured (limited) service I can save maybe $3/month, which makes
no difference when you add in the additional charges for what would be
your normal phone usage.

--
Cheers, Bev
*----------------------------------------------------*
*Are you *sure* there's a hyphen in "anal-retentive?"*

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> cswansonlbcbo@gmail.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Nope, you fucked that up completely. Any properly
>>>> implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN fuckwit.

>>> And that requires paying the monthly per line fees for both
>>> local and long distance service that VOIP is supposed to avoid.

>> But avoids the call charges except when the broadband is down.

> I see.

No you dont.

> Spend ~$25/month to save maybe a nickel a month in LD?

Nope, only if you need that level of reliability of your
phone services and dont get it included with your DSL.

And you save a lot more than a nickel a month in phone call charges too.

> Yep, sounds good to me, sign me up.

You dont qualify, you're too stupid.

> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs
> $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges bring it up to $17.88.

A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the broadband does go down.

Mine doesnt go down every year now, and when it does, its usually not during
the time I even want to make phone calls, because everyone is asleep.

So voip at no hardware cost whatever makes a lot more sense than penny-a-minute long distance cards.

> If I select measured (limited) service I can save maybe $3/month, which makes no difference when you add in the
> additional charges for what would be your normal phone usage.

Another good reason for choosing to use voip alone for a residential user
who can use a cellphone if the broadband is down and you need to make
a phone call while its down and when you are out of the house etc.

I can make voip calls using my cellphone too, so even if the
broadband is down, I just yawn and use the cellphone instead.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Donna wrote
>>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote

>>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/dining/26ninety.html?_r=1&ref=dining&oref=slogin>

>>>> Interesting story. Our dollar stores are not that great around here and often carry really inferior products. I'm
>>>> thinking NYC has more to offer.

>>> The 99-Cents-Only stores in the Los Angeles (and other, I guess)
>>> area carry a lot of foreign food (mostly China, but not
>>> exclusively), a variety of name-brand sausage/hotdog products,

>> Trouble is that those are made from surplus cats and dogs and rats.

> Still, pretty tasty!

Dunno, the rats can be a tad gamey.

> Remember, nobody got sick from eating hamburger made from the local downer cows, even though they were covered in
> their own shit when they were dismembered.

Plenty have actually.

> I ate street tacos in Tijuana.

And then there's the wacky weed...

> I cook every once in a while.

Too radical.

> People worry too much.

After all, everyone dies.

>>> fresh vegetables and fruits, a lot of exotic sauces (the Philippine
>>> banana sauce was pretty bland, but wotthehell) and a nice variety
>>> of brand-name toothpaste and deodorant as well as a lot of imported
>>> bathroom needs and cleaning supplies. Like Fry's, you could live
>>> in a 99-Cents-Only store :-)

>>> http://www.99only.com/

>>> I love those stores. The penny-a-minute long distance cards alone are worth the price of admission.

>> You're better off with voip.

> Not really if I make perhaps 10 minutes of LD phone calls in a BIG year.

Yes, really even if you only make that many. And you also have to
consider how many calls you make if they only cost 8c in total etc.

> And VOIP doesn't work when you have a power outage.

Mine does, I can do it from the cellphone.

> No worries, though, I've still got an old-fashioned non-wallwart phone and could call the electric company to come out
> and fix the problem.

Anyone with a clue can call them on their cellphone.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:42 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote

>> What I'm bitter about is that my monthly local phone service costs
>> $10.69. The taxes and fees and surcharges bring it up to $17.88.
>
> A good reason for having naked DSL and just yawning when the
> broadband does go down.

Unless you're within 14,000 feet of <something> you can't get DSL, and
when you can it's still pitifully slow. BTW, you can't get naked DSL
here, you have to buy local phone service ($17.88 minimum) and then add
DSL on top of that. And we can't get REAL high-deductible medical
insurance either. Isn't political bribery wonderful?

> Mine doesnt go down every year now, and when it does, its usually not
> during the time I even want to make phone calls, because everyone is
> asleep.

We don't lose power that often, but having to re-set all the clocks is a
real pain.

> So voip at no hardware cost whatever makes a lot more sense than
> penny-a-minute long distance cards.

Hardware is cheap or free. Monthly charges are not.

>> If I select measured (limited) service I can save maybe $3/month,
>> which makes no difference when you add in the additional charges
>> for what would be your normal phone usage.
>
> Another good reason for choosing to use voip alone for a residential
> user who can use a cellphone if the broadband is down and you need to
> make a phone call while its down and when you are out of the house
> etc.

That's only for the profligate people who use hundreds of cell minutes a
month.

> I can make voip calls using my cellphone too, so even if the
> broadband is down, I just yawn and use the cellphone instead.

Profligate, just as I said.

--
Cheers,
Bev
*----------------------------------------------------*
*Are you *sure* there's a hyphen in "anal-retentive?"*

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 7:25 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

James Farrar <james.s.farrar@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller <thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote
>>> The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c> wrote
>>>> News reader wrote
>>>>> Runge11 wrote

>>>>>> yes, forgetting what your own country is doing to the rest of the world. Take a mirror and look at yourself.

>>>>> Yeah the U.S. doesn't help the world out at all. We saved France from becoming Germany.

>>>> Russia actually.

>>> I also think you'll find that the British army also helped a bit here and there

>> Nope, without the yanks they wouldnt have lasted long.

> Sorry, I lost track. Were we talking about World War I (UK declared
> war on Germany 4th August 1914, US declared war on Germany
> 6th April 1917) or World War II (UK declared war on Germany 3rd
> September 1939, US declared war on Germany 11th December 1941)?

That particular bit was about WW2. The dead giveaway is the reference
to Russia which was never at any risk of becoming Germany in WW1.

Without the yanks, the british military system wouldnt have lasted for very long.

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