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== 1 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:43 am
From: Markku Grönroos
"Fred Kasner" <fkasner@sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
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> Meng wrote:
>> Lookout wrote:
>>> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
>>> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
>>
>> That's because they usually fall back on the "if you have faith you don't
>> need proof" explanation which is the biggest load of cop-out BS ever.
>>
>>
>
> First principles are always an act of faith. Why faith? Because it is most
> convenient and avoids the prior conditions questions. Pleading ignorance
> about the first principles levels all organized approaches to the same
> inability to prove anything.
> FK
== 2 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:44 am
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <spack@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>
>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>
>> snicker
>
> why must an atheist reply to every single religious post?
> do you peek in churches and synagogues also and pronounce your (lack of)
> faith?
> "hay peeps; i have no belief!"
>
> ;-)
== 3 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:44 am
From: Markku Grönroos
"Fred Kasner" <fkasner@sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:31:46 -0400, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1206881983_1079@pronews.com>,
>>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <spack@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>>> snicker
>>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are
>>>> on your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am
>>>> not going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>>> Proof?
>>
>> I have the idiot filtered so I didn't see his comment.
>> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
>> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
>
> And there are no fairy tales in the first principles of science?
> FK
== 4 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:44 am
From: Markku Grönroos
"Fred Kasner" <fkasner@sbcglobal.net> kirjoitti
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> Tralfamador wrote:
>> spack wrote:
>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>
>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>
>> Why do we want to leap in and denounce theist diatribes. Why should we
>> cut
>> in between a group of theists and confront them with our rational,
>> atheistic
>> logic? Many times we are confronted with a plaintive "Why can't we agree
>> to
>> disagree and respect each others points of view?" I will try to explain
>> my
>> own personal stance here. Enough is enough! It's time to draw that line
>> in
>> the sand.
>>
>> For too long, for millennia, since man first started to form societies we
>> have had our view of the universe tainted with religion. To say that
>> theists
>> have had a fair crack at the whip would be understatement in the extreme.
>> Theistic dogma has caused more misery, more wars, more suppression and
>> held
>> back the discovery of the universe we inhabit than any other invention.
>>
>> From the indoctrination of generations of innocent, inquiring children
>> in
>> the home, through schools and their mandatory acts of worship of
>> fictitious,
>> vengeful gods, the foul distortions introduced by the likes of the Dover
>> School Board, the theft of a woman's right to control of her own body,
>> the
>> intrusion of a false morality upon our daily lives and the stifling of
>> science.
>>
>> All these things must stop! It is no longer a matter of respect, of
>> tolerance or of agreeing to disagree. The stakes are far too high. No!
>> You
>> cannot blow people up in the name of your mythical being. No! You cannot
>> kill doctors who choose to help women regain control of their lives. No!
>> You
>> cannot divert money that should be healing the sick to spend on your
>> costumes and buildings. No! You cannot tell me how to think anymore. No!
>> You
>> cannot claim that your damn stupid, lame, small minded little creation
>> myth
>> has equal value to Darwin's evolution and modern cosmology.
>>
>> The time has come to leave the nursery, cast off these childish,
>> dangerous
>> stories and grow the fuck up! Religion has sapped enough of mans
>> resources.
>> Time, money, effort, emotion and whole damned races have been swallowed
>> up
>> by these deluded zealots.
>>
>> Every theist that EVER went into battle always had a god on their side.
>> Every poor sap who worked till they dropped was promised their reward
>> after
>> their death. The crippled, the sick, the outcast and the insane have
>> turned
>> to religion and been rewarded with nothing except vacuous empty promises.
>> It's time to stop the madness. It's time to confront this awful cancer,
>> this
>> creeping, insidious lie. It's time to free humanity from the shackles of
>> the
>> past. from the guilt. from the original sin. from the inferiority. It's
>> time
>> to stop the killing. The gang mentality. Them and us. The threats of
>> heaven,
>> the lure of hell, the hell of the faithful.
>>
>> Theists, you've had your chance. You've had millennia of chances. Look
>> at
>> the planet now. Is it better for religion or does the worlds major human
>> conflicts have their very basis in religion. Theism is a mind numbing
>> death
>> shroud for humanity. It can not be allowed to continue. We have to stop
>> lying to our children. To ourselves.
>>
>> This is why I leap in and denounce theists wherever I find them. If I
>> upset
>> a few simpletons who cannot think outside their late bronze age shackles
>> then so be it. But your not going to poison this race forever. If you
>> theists have your way you will be the end as you always predicted. Self
>> fulfilling prophecy.
>>
>> I will do my level best to rid my race of this handicap. The future of
>> man
>> lies in the stars. Our Earth is finite, eventually our sun will leave the
>> main sequence and go red giant. If we're not out of here by then we, as a
>> race. are doomed. It is science that is our route to our true home in the
>> universe. You can't pray your way out of this one.
>>
>> T
>>
>>
>
> Red giant? When? about a few billion years from now. The likelyhood that
> something resembling "man" still exists by then? Near zero. We will likely
> somewhere along that path be eradicated by some other natural disaster. A
> couple of a billion years is a very long time indeed and long before that
> time we had better find another home or we will die here.
>
> And for your amusement consider the proper question of the theists is
> "What preceded the big bang and what caused the actual conditions that
> created a bing bang possibility? And why not a god that created all and
> then lost interest in the result> First principles are as questionable in
> science as theology. Perhaps you had better get used to the idea of an
> unknowable and stop thinking that the logic of science is free of
> illogical first assumptions as is religion.
> FK
== 5 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:46 am
From: catchme
Tralfamador wrote:
many nations' governments have USED the name of religion to suit their
own needs, calling the Faithful to do their bidding for them....
the only plausible exception to this were the Crusades, which was the
result of the Catholic Church garnering too much power over the Kingdoms
(after their succesful Conversions of Pagan Kings and their people to
Christianity, it was easy to threaten to excommunicate a ruler and thus
control the fears of the clergy...)
But before the Catholic Church, there was yet an older Church that
Christ himself railed against for the requirement of paying for ones
sins in gold....
Catholicism is evil- simply put.
the rest of religion? Nothing wrong with Jews- but dont confuse them
with Isrealites...one is a religion, the other an expansionist political
machine.
Islam? the religion is sound- they are brothers to Jews (but not
necesarily Isreal), but some leaders use their religion to gather
support to overthrow foreign influence in their own lands (Americans
would do the same, calling on "Good Christians" should Russia occupy
United States territory....)
Is religion absolutely responsible for everything?
How does International politics play in?
the US aggressive stance all over the world, threatening elected
governments in unstable countries with civil war and replacing them with
dictators friendly to Washington?
Nay, look to your own leaders- the very Constitution is writ by traitors
of the British Empire, and the United States was accomplished by treason.
the Confederate Army committed terrorism into Canada....these were all
political acts.
== 6 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:54 am
From: catchme
Lookout wrote:
> AC wrote:
>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1206881983_1079@pronews.com...
>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <spack@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>
>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other
>>>>> mass delusions, I'll ask.
>>>> snicker
>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are
>>> on your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am
>>> not going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> There is no God, heaven or hell. When you die you rot and become worm
>> food.
>>
>> Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're
>> gonna get.
>>
>> And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
>>
>> AC
>>
>
> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
>
one thing....to provoke theists?
do denounce your belief over and over?
you think this is the action of a "rational" person?
do you even think i care if you believe in God or not?
Whem a Muslim posts his beliefs to a newsgroup, what do you think his
agenda is?
not to promote hatred against himself, but to let those who are
misguided by US media and other propaganda, that there is a face to what
Bush calls "evil".
His religion, he reasons, is separate from his political belief (likely
getting rid of the US, Canada, and assorted Allies from his Native soil)
I dont know if Americans were taught about propaganda in school (likely
not, since the US liked to employ them with equal vigour as their
enemies- Germany, Japan and Russia), but many of us in Canada were- and
the examples they used from WW2 and the Cold War, are being employed
today- the enemies have changed, but the tactics havent.
== 7 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:56 am
From: catchme
Lookout wrote:
>>
> I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
> them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
> pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
> they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
> something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
> radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
> through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
> point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
> out the door.
this is the meaning of your existence?
i pity thee.
really, you have wasted your life if this would be your biggest thrill.
Think on it.
== 8 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:57 am
From: catchme
Lookout wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:49:16 GMT, "Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller"
> <thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote:
>
>> Why do these people post to a TV group? What do they hope to achieve? Anger?
>> Hatred? Laughter?
>>
> The dumbest people watch the most TV....they're easy targets for this
> shit.
then write an ad. for tv watchers...youre using the wrong media.
== 9 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:01 pm
From: catchme
Meng wrote:
> Lookout wrote:
>> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
>> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
>
> That's because they usually fall back on the "if you have faith you
> don't need proof" explanation which is the biggest load of cop-out BS ever.
>
>
proof is for those who cannot think outside the box.
religionists are waiting for the evidence to catch up with what they've
always felt in their hearts.
how can you prove a prescence?
Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of
the Universe."
lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his beliefs.
== 10 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:03 pm
From: catchme
Lookout wrote:
>
> Old Lookout is a ambulance chaser. If there is any sign of trouble, he
> will chase it. He has been on a race thing lately, because he is a pure
> racist.
>
i dont know about 'ambulance chaser'....but i think it likely he runs
through churches and synagogues, screaming down the aisles before the
ushers catch up to him that he is a proud atheist....
== 11 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:05 pm
From: Bert Hyman
In news:BsRHj.10079$rd2.1142@pd7urf3no catchme <someone@somewhere.net>
wrote:
> religionists are waiting for the evidence to catch up with what
> they've always felt in their hearts.
No they're not.
Faith, or belief in the unknown and unknowable, is a primary virtue to
the religious.
Demonstrating a lack of faith by asking for, or even expecting, proof or
evidence is sinful.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
== 12 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:11 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>
>>
>> Old Lookout is a ambulance chaser. If there is any sign of trouble, he
>> will chase it. He has been on a race thing lately, because he is a pure
>> racist.
>>
>
> i dont know about 'ambulance chaser'....but i think it likely he runs
> through churches and synagogues, screaming down the aisles before the
> ushers catch up to him that he is a proud atheist....
== 13 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:11 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Meng wrote:
>> Lookout wrote:
>>> Religionists don't need proof. I've asked for it repeatedly but they
>>> just can't seem to back up their fairy tale.
>>
>> That's because they usually fall back on the "if you have faith you don't
>> need proof" explanation which is the biggest load of cop-out BS ever.
>>
>>
> proof is for those who cannot think outside the box.
> religionists are waiting for the evidence to catch up with what they've
> always felt in their hearts.
> how can you prove a prescence?
> Einstein, a self-admitted atheist, found that "God is in the center of the
> Universe."
> lookout is upset that i use references to Einstein, because at least
> Einstein could have made the claim that he was rational in his beliefs.
== 14 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:11 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:49:16 GMT, "Ayatollah of rock 'n' roller"
>> <thisisf@lse.co.ck> wrote:
>>
>>> Why do these people post to a TV group? What do they hope to achieve?
>>> Anger? Hatred? Laughter?
>> The dumbest people watch the most TV....they're easy targets for this
>> shit.
>
> then write an ad. for tv watchers...youre using the wrong media.
== 15 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:11 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>
>>>
>> I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
>> them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
>> pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
>> they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
>> something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
>> radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
>> through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
>> point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
>> out the door.
>
> this is the meaning of your existence?
> i pity thee.
> really, you have wasted your life if this would be your biggest thrill.
> Think on it.
== 16 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:12 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
"catchme" <someone@somewhere.net> kirjoitti
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> Lookout wrote:
>> AC wrote:
>>> "Lookout2.0" <mrLookout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1206881983_1079@pronews.com...
>>>> Lookout wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:53:47 +0100, spack <spack@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
>>>>>> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>> Allah (God)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
>>>>>> delusions, I'll ask.
>>>>> snicker
>>>> Why are you doing that? There is no god according to you, but you are
>>>> on your way to hell --- snicker. You can run but you can't hide. I am
>>>> not going to cut you up too much, just a little bit. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no God, heaven or hell. When you die you rot and become worm
>>> food.
>>>
>>> Make the best of the life you have right now, because that all you're
>>> gonna get.
>>>
>>> And if Im wrong, God will forgive you.
>>>
>>> AC
>>>
>>
>> Do you think I care? I am only here for one thing. Can you figure it out?
>>
> one thing....to provoke theists?
> do denounce your belief over and over?
> you think this is the action of a "rational" person?
> do you even think i care if you believe in God or not?
> Whem a Muslim posts his beliefs to a newsgroup, what do you think his
> agenda is?
> not to promote hatred against himself, but to let those who are misguided
> by US media and other propaganda, that there is a face to what Bush calls
> "evil".
> His religion, he reasons, is separate from his political belief (likely
> getting rid of the US, Canada, and assorted Allies from his Native soil)
> I dont know if Americans were taught about propaganda in school (likely
> not, since the US liked to employ them with equal vigour as their enemies-
> Germany, Japan and Russia), but many of us in Canada were- and the
> examples they used from WW2 and the Cold War, are being employed today-
> the enemies have changed, but the tactics havent.
== 17 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:13 pm
From: Lookout666
catchme wrote:
> Lookout wrote:
>
>>>
>> I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
>> them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
>> pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
>> they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
>> something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
>> radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
>> through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
>> point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
>> out the door.
>
> this is the meaning of your existence?
> i pity thee.
> really, you have wasted your life if this would be your biggest thrill.
> Think on it.
Lookout is so dumb and stupid. He also says that he gets a kick out of
pissing people off with his posts, but the reality for him is that they
are not pissed. They just like messing with him, to watch him react like
a fish ---- mrBubbles. <g>
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== 18 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:16 pm
From: Markku Grönroos
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> catchme wrote:
>> Lookout wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I do it because no one else in there world does. It completely baffles
>>> them when someone questions their fairy tale. It's fun watching them
>>> pull their hair out when you say "prove it" and they can't. And then
>>> they think when they tell you you are going to hell it actually means
>>> something to you! That always kills me. I love going on local talk
>>> radio and fucking with the local baptist preachers. By the time I'm
>>> through with them they're insane with hatred for me...which I then
>>> point out is very unchristian like....just to piss them off on the way
>>> out the door.
>>
>> this is the meaning of your existence?
>> i pity thee.
>> really, you have wasted your life if this would be your biggest thrill.
>> Think on it.
>
> Lookout is so dumb and stupid. He also says that he gets a kick out of
> pissing people off with his posts, but the reality for him is that they
> are not pissed. They just like messing with him, to watch him react like
> a fish ---- mrBubbles. <g>
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== 19 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:19 pm
From: news@buffy.sighup.org.uk
In uk.media.tv.misc Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
> Demonstrating a lack of faith by asking for, or even expecting, proof or
> evidence is sinful.
That's convienient.
--
Church: Local branch of The International House of Myths
== 20 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:26 pm
From: "Tralfamador"
Fred Kasner wrote:
First principles are as
> questionable
> in science as theology.
Theology is the study of fiction.... It has nothing to do with science.
L. Ron. Hubbard thought really, really hard and came up with the cult of
scientology. Others thought really, really hard and came up with the
abrahamic religions. Compare this to the scientific method (google it.... )
and explain to me why i should take anything a theist says as "gospel".
A bunch of catholics just recently went into a room and thought really,
really hard and the end result was an ex nazi as pope and condoms are still
a bad idea. Explain to me why this is a good thing!
T
== 21 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:28 pm
From: "Tralfamador"
catchme wrote:
> Tralfamador wrote:
>
> many nations' governments have USED the name of religion to suit their
> own needs, calling the Faithful to do their bidding for them....
> the only plausible exception to this were the Crusades, which was the
> result of the Catholic Church garnering too much power over the
> Kingdoms (after their succesful Conversions of Pagan Kings and their
> people to Christianity, it was easy to threaten to excommunicate a
> ruler and thus control the fears of the clergy...)
> But before the Catholic Church, there was yet an older Church that
> Christ himself railed against for the requirement of paying for ones
> sins in gold....
> Catholicism is evil- simply put.
> the rest of religion? Nothing wrong with Jews- but dont confuse them
> with Isrealites...one is a religion, the other an expansionist
> political machine.
> Islam? the religion is sound- they are brothers to Jews (but not
> necesarily Isreal), but some leaders use their religion to gather
> support to overthrow foreign influence in their own lands (Americans
> would do the same, calling on "Good Christians" should Russia occupy
> United States territory....)
> Is religion absolutely responsible for everything?
> How does International politics play in?
> the US aggressive stance all over the world, threatening elected
> governments in unstable countries with civil war and replacing them
> with dictators friendly to Washington?
>
> Nay, look to your own leaders- the very Constitution is writ by
> traitors of the British Empire, and the United States was
> accomplished by treason. the Confederate Army committed terrorism
> into Canada....these were all political acts.
There is no god. Once this is accepted everything falls into place.
== 22 of 22 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:39 pm
From: "Mike the Brewer"
"spack" <spack@home.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22599db64d498245989687@news.btopenworld.com...
> In article <19dd678b-48e6-4200-aad2-40093a50cd54
> @p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, olaalaa1@gmail.com says...
>> Allah (God)
>>
> <tedious bollocks snipped>
>
> Thanks for this. If I want to find out about Islam or any other mass
> delusions, I'll ask.
It never ceases to amaze me that when an OT posting of this nature appears
( cross-posted to a number of groups ) it is so obvious that the sender is
some
kind of fanatic, yet there are a large number of subscribers tempted to
reply, thus
encouraging further annoying posts.
Just put them in your killfile along with all the marketing spam from China
and the
"make money from the internet" crap.
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TOPIC: Surviving in New York on 99 cents
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3504240fa7698ae2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 11:57 am
From: William Souden
Rod Speed wrote:
> cswansonlbcbo@gmail.com wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>> William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Donna wrote
>>>>>>>>> George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/dining/26ninety.html?_r=1&ref=dinin...>
>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting story. Our dollar stores are not that great around here and
>>>>>>>>> often carry really inferior products. I'm thinking NYC has more to offer.
>
>>>>>>>> The 99-Cents-Only stores in the Los Angeles (and other, I guess)
>>>>>>>> area carry a lot of foreign food (mostly China, but not
>>>>>>>> exclusively), a variety of name-brand sausage/hotdog products,
>
>>>>>>> Trouble is that those are made from surplus cats and dogs and rats.
>
>>>>>>>> fresh vegetables and fruits, a lot of exotic sauces (the
>>>>>>>> Philippine banana sauce was pretty bland, but wotthehell) and a
>>>>>>>> nice variety of brand-name toothpaste and deodorant as well as a
>>>>>>>> lot of imported bathroom needs and cleaning supplies. Like
>>>>>>>> Fry's, you could live in a 99-Cents-Only store :-)
>>>>>>>> http://www.99only.com/
>>>>>>>> I love those stores. The penny-a-minute long distance cards
>>>>>>>> alone are worth the price of admission.
>
>>>>>>> You're better off with voip.
>
>>>>>> Until your internet connection goes down. VOIP is fine
>>>>>> for social calls or for companies with offices in different
>>>>>> countries that need to call each other but I would not want
>>>>>> my business to customer calls dependent on that service.
>
>>>>> There arent likely to be too many businesses that rely on
>>>>> penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.
>
>>>> But some businesses do rely on VOIP
>
>>> None rely on penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.
>
>>>> and the inherent problems were pointed out.
>
>>> Nope, you fucked that up completely. Any properly
>>> implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN fuckwit.
>
>> And that requires paying the monthly per line fees for both
>> local and long distance service that VOIP is supposed to avoid.
>
> But avoids the call charges except when the broadband is down.
>
>
Most plans give x number of minutes before you pay added charges.
Most business land lines have per minute charges even for a call across
the street. As earlier stated I would not want to depend on the voice
quality of VOIP for business calls.
William Souden
sales fool/race track bum
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> cswansonlbcbo@gmail.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Donna wrote
>>>>>>>>>> George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/dining/26ninety.html?_r=1&ref=dinin...>
>>>>>>>>>> Interesting story. Our dollar stores are not that great
>>>>>>>>>> around here and often carry really inferior products. I'm thinking NYC has more to offer.
>>>>>>>>> The 99-Cents-Only stores in the Los Angeles (and other, I
>>>>>>>>> guess) area carry a lot of foreign food (mostly China, but not
>>>>>>>>> exclusively), a variety of name-brand sausage/hotdog products,
>>>>>>>> Trouble is that those are made from surplus cats and dogs and rats.
>>>>>>>>> fresh vegetables and fruits, a lot of exotic sauces (the
>>>>>>>>> Philippine banana sauce was pretty bland, but wotthehell) and
>>>>>>>>> a nice variety of brand-name toothpaste and deodorant as well
>>>>>>>>> as a lot of imported bathroom needs and cleaning supplies. Like Fry's, you could live in a 99-Cents-Only store
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>> http://www.99only.com/
>>>>>>>>> I love those stores. The penny-a-minute long distance cards
>>>>>>>>> alone are worth the price of admission.
>>>>>>>> You're better off with voip.
>>>>>>> Until your internet connection goes down. VOIP is fine
>>>>>>> for social calls or for companies with offices in different
>>>>>>> countries that need to call each other but I would not want
>>>>>>> my business to customer calls dependent on that service.
>>>>>> There arent likely to be too many businesses that rely on penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.
>>>>> But some businesses do rely on VOIP
>>>> None rely on penny-a-minute long distance cards alone, cretin.
>>>>> and the inherent problems were pointed out.
>>>> Nope, you fucked that up completely. Any properly
>>>> implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN fuckwit.
>>> And that requires paying the monthly per line fees for both
>>> local and long distance service that VOIP is supposed to avoid.
>> But avoids the call charges except when the broadband is down.
> Most plans give x number of minutes before you pay added charges.
Irrelevant to the penny-a-minute long distance cards being discussed.
> Most business land lines have per minute charges even for a call across the street.
Which is why anyone with a clue uses untimed voip instead.
> As earlier stated I would not want to depend on the voice quality of VOIP for business calls.
Any properly implemented voip system falls back to the PSTN if you need reliability.
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TOPIC: Police: Obese relative may have crushed boy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1a4f12dc63ba9f1a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 30 2008 12:38 pm
From: "Patriot Games"
"Lady Veteran" <armyvet@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:1msqu3thpqidbqmp15rhfcqb68uhbsg22f@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:26:29 +0000 (UTC), Why fatties are insane
> <censored@networksolutions.com> wrote:
>>If fatties worked their fair
>>share, we wouldn't need mexicans.
> Brain stem logic in all its glory.
Disprove the logic of "If fatties worked their fair share, we wouldn't need
mexicans."
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