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TOPIC: Homemade Cleaner?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 8:46 pm
From: Pringles CheezUms

Is there a homemade cleaner that is as effective as (but cheaper than) a
commercial general-purpose cleaner?

If not, what is the most effective commercial cleaner? We've always used
409 and have been reasonably happy with it, but if there's something
more effective I'm open to switching. That could include something you
could get at a warehouse or cleaning supply house too. I know Sams has
commercial cleaners but have never tried them.
Can anybody get heavy-duty professional stuff? Anybody in the business?
What do you use?

Thanks for the help!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 9:48 pm
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

Pringles CheezUms wrote:
> Is there a homemade cleaner that is as effective as (but cheaper than) a
> commercial general-purpose cleaner?
>
> If not, what is the most effective commercial cleaner? We've always used
> 409 and have been reasonably happy with it, but if there's something
> more effective I'm open to switching. That could include something you
> could get at a warehouse or cleaning supply house too. I know Sams has
> commercial cleaners but have never tried them.

Most janitorial supply companies are open to the public, and I have used
janitorial supply cleaners for over 20 years with great success with the
occasional Simple Green. The commercial cleaners are sold in gallon
containers, and you dilute them with water.

If you want natural-type cleaners, go search on Mother Earth News's web
site -- I was just surfing there the other day and saw a bunch of
articles on natural homemade cleaners.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 11:23 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:46:53 -0500, Pringles CheezUms
<nowhere@nohow.com> wrote:

>Is there a homemade cleaner that is as effective as (but cheaper than) a
>commercial general-purpose cleaner?
>
>If not, what is the most effective commercial cleaner? We've always used
>409 and have been reasonably happy with it, but if there's something
>more effective I'm open to switching. That could include something you
>could get at a warehouse or cleaning supply house too. I know Sams has
>commercial cleaners but have never tried them.
>Can anybody get heavy-duty professional stuff? Anybody in the business?
>What do you use?
>
>Thanks for the help!

Pro stuff is less generalized, and usually very very concentrated.
That said, the cheapest general purpose cleaner is...
water. Most of the time, water will remove plain ol dirt. Surfacants
primarily make water wetter to get to the stuff it is supposed to
clean. Distilled water cleans better than tap water, which often has
lime limiting some of the chemical stuff that goes on, and a cleaner
that doesn't work worth a darn when mixed with tap water may work
quite well when mixed (only) with distilled water.

Popular products to aid in GP floor cleaning contain either pine oil,
limonal (sp?), or some variation of TSP or an analog. When you get
outside of the GP floor cleaners, simple green is OK as an overall
cleaner, if you can stand the smell.

Where the commercial cleaners come into their own are the grease
cutters. Butyl degreasers are powerful, but can really wack out the
nerves in your hands if you don't use gloves. There are other
degreasers that clean nearly as well. Most all degreasers do not play
well with plastic, and work even more powerfully when warm.

Of the pro cleaning supply stuff that impressed me at the time, the
only thing that stands out is the aerosal canned "Misty Glass
Cleaner." That stuff was too goood, and was banned for use on
machinery by the company I worked for, because it stripped the fine
coating of oil and grease right out of the pores of exposed metal and
promoted rusting. The stuff was made in Atlanta, I think. There were
attempts at rip-offs, but those failed miserably at the same tasks.

Otherwise, spic-n-span does a decent job of general cleaning, and
unlike the Pine-sol or other pine oil products doesn't leave a buildup
of residue over time. Although pine oil is supposed to repel roaches,
I've seen bathrooms where the buildup of it and dirt was so thick the
roaches were thriving. Switching cleaners cleared up the problem.

Often, ammonia, vinegar, baking soda, salt, rubbing alcohol, hydrogen
peroxide, and wood ashes are all you need in your kit of cleaners. To
knock it up a few notches, buy a container of TSP, and maybe some
muriatic acid if you are cleaning tiles.

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TOPIC: Frugal hi speed internet?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/47603876a73acdc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 8:52 pm
From: nonsense@mynonsense.net

On Aug 19, 3:58 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
> "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote in message
>
> news:urGqk.302$UX.76@trnddc03...
>
>
>
> > <nonse...@mynonsense.net> wrote in message
> >news:ae1ef6e7-7a2f-41e7-ac3f-98733f3c7a3b@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>I am looking for cheap hi-speed internet. My current provider, Comcast
> >> is raising the price to $60/ month but it includes basic cable which I
> >> dont care for. I notice AT&T has a $20/ month plan. Does one need to
> >> have a landline for that? If not, how much does the final bill end up
> >> being after taxes and everything?
>
> > You want DSL dry loop. You probably have to fight with AT&T to get it.
>
> > Here is year old information:
> >http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/How-to-Get-2399-ATT-Dry-Loop-DSL-8...
>
> After I posted that I noticed that AT&T calls it "AT&T Direct DSL" and sells
> it atwww.connecttoatt.com.

Thanks, that's exactly what I am looking for! Anyone know if this 768
kpbs is good enough for VOIP with webcam?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 9:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

nonsense@mynonsense.net wrote:
> On Aug 19, 3:58 pm, "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote:
>> "catalpa" <cata...@entertab.org> wrote in message
>>
>> news:urGqk.302$UX.76@trnddc03...
>>
>>
>>
>>> <nonse...@mynonsense.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ae1ef6e7-7a2f-41e7-ac3f-98733f3c7a3b@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> I am looking for cheap hi-speed internet. My current provider,
>>>> Comcast is raising the price to $60/ month but it includes basic
>>>> cable which I dont care for. I notice AT&T has a $20/ month plan.
>>>> Does one need to have a landline for that? If not, how much does
>>>> the final bill end up being after taxes and everything?
>>
>>> You want DSL dry loop. You probably have to fight with AT&T to get
>>> it.
>>
>>> Here is year old information:
>>> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/How-to-Get-2399-ATT-Dry-Loop-DSL-8...
>>
>> After I posted that I noticed that AT&T calls it "AT&T Direct DSL"
>> and sells it atwww.connecttoatt.com.
>
> Thanks, that's exactly what I am looking for! Anyone know if this 768
> kpbs is good enough for VOIP with webcam?

Yes it is.

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TOPIC: Texas school gets guns in school!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a06d8e1975487b08?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 10:23 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"

Tony, ye deranged shame of rome, fit to govern, No, not to live, ye
disquieted:

> I've always thought the schoolroom fart to be the greatest weapon
> of all.

You've never owned a cat, have you?

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 10:29 pm
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TOPIC: Anyone like weather station or weather clock
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/236843fc7d9ef9e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 10:54 pm
From: ttang28@gmail.com

Anyone like weather station or weather clock . http://www.wellcomestore.com

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Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 11:10 pm
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TOPIC: Should I buy a gas gussler?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fabb5d064cc35efb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 11:39 pm
From: The Real Bev

clams_casino wrote:

> Lou wrote:
>
>>And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost anything you
>>buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave the store or the first time
>>you use it. Visit just about any yard sale. There may be more dollars
>>invovled when the item under consideration is a car, but the principle is
>>the same.

Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to date as
far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you are. It can
be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90 CD to do that.

> Certainly a used car doesn't lose value when it's driven off the
> lot.........

Certainly it does. You think the dealer will buy it back from you for
what you paid? You think somebody else is willing to buy it from you
for what you paid? Then why didn't they buy it before you did?

OTOH, long ago I bought a 1950 Chevy for $50 and sold it a year later
for $50 to a sailor on shore leave. I think I had to change a freeze
plug and a fender but everything else worked OK. Well, except for the
fact that I had to start it by turning the key on and then jamming a
steel bar between the terminals on the starting solenoid, which was
simpler at the time (8 months pregnant) than replacing the solenoid.

--
Cheers, Bev
=====================================================
"It's too bad stupidity isn't painful." - A. S. LaVey

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 11:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> clams_casino wrote
>> Lou wrote

>>> And really, how/when you pay for it is not the point - almost
>>> anything you buy, the value drops precipitously as you leave the store or the first time you use it. Visit just
>>> about any yard
>>> sale. There may be more dollars invovled when the item under
>>> consideration is a car, but the principle is the same.

> Latest bargain: A Garmin e-Map GPS for $1.00. Not fully up to date
> as far as highways go, but good enough to tell you where you are. It
> can be updated, but I'd need to buy a $15 cable and a $90 CD to do that.

Nope, just the cable, and its a lot cheaper than that.

>> Certainly a used car doesn't lose value when it's driven off the lot.........

> Certainly it does. You think the dealer will buy it back from you for
> what you paid? You think somebody else is willing to buy it from you for what you paid? Then why didn't they buy it
> before you did?

They were too stupid to be able to find it at that price.

> OTOH, long ago I bought a 1950 Chevy for $50 and sold it a year later
> for $50 to a sailor on shore leave. I think I had to change a freeze
> plug and a fender but everything else worked OK. Well, except for the
> fact that I had to start it by turning the key on and then jamming a
> steel bar between the terminals on the starting solenoid, which was
> simpler at the time (8 months pregnant) than replacing the solenoid.

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TOPIC: Compact Flourescent bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 19 2008 11:42 pm
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <slrngan22d.o1t.don@manx.misty.com>,
Don Klipstein <don@manx.misty.com> wrote:
>
> As for a bathroom nightlight, I suggest for energy savings:
>
>* A 1/16-1/8 watt electroluminescent one (if you want something that has a
>fair chance based on my experience of reasonably lasting only a few years)
>
>* A .3-.4 watt LED one, preferably either green or blue for both really
>long life expectancy (better chance decade-plus) and good illumination to
>night vision.
>
>* The Feit Electric "Eternalite" C7 - with power consumption around .4
>watt and actual expectation of life expectancy appearing to me to be to be
>very high (several years to decade-plus) despite using white LEDs that
>have degradation-prone phosphors. This particular model has the LEDs
>being run at much lower power than usual for LEDs of such size.

Wish I'd heard of these when my last incandescent nightlight bulb blew.
I got another pack of "LibertyLight" 1.4W flourescent nightlights.
The survivor from the first pack has been operating for over 5 years,
the lens has yellowed, the housing has become brittle, and light
output noticable lower than the new ones.

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