Frugal Living: Jul 9, 2007

Monday, July 9, 2007

18 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Get-together/club/course about frugal living in Southampton
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1fc5c09314a14645?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 1:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

jheller <jthell@cavtel.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Traveller <newspostster@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Hi all frugal persons,

>> Only a microscopic subset of all frugal persons read this newsgroup...

>>> I am looking for a get-together group or club or frugal course to exchange ideas and learn
>>> something more about how to avoid pollute the earth

>> The only way to avoid pollute the earth is to kill yourself thoughtfully.

>>> and being consumeristic.

>> No such animal.

>>> I live in Southampton (Hampshire).

>> Your problem.

>>> Anyone knows a venue where people meet to discuss about this?

>> Yes.

>>> Anyone is interested to start a group?

>> Yes.

>>> Many thanks.

>> For what ?

>>> I am also a beginner sewer

>> Is that in the sense of being only a small sewer with not
>> much shit in it yet, or at the start of a much bigger sewer ?

>>> and a crocheter, but this is another subject. :-P

>> Neither of which are particularly frugal today.

> Sewing, crochet, and knitting, mending or making your clothes and household needs not frugal???
> since when?

Since dirt cheap clothes etc from china.

Even the materials alone usually cost more than the finished product from china now.

>>> Thanks for any reply.

>> Even one that orders you to shove your head up a dead bear's arse ?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 3:55 am
From: Traveller

On Jul 9, 4:07 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sewing, crochet, and knitting, mending or making your clothes and household needs not frugal???
> > since when?
>
> Since dirt cheap clothes etc from china.
>
> Even the materials alone usually cost more than the finished product from china now.

Pity that also fabrics, threads and yarns come from China, nowadays,
you funny Einstein.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 3:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Traveller <newspostster@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Sewing, crochet, and knitting, mending or making your
>>> clothes and household needs not frugal??? since when?

>> Since dirt cheap clothes etc from china.

>> Even the materials alone usually cost more
>> than the finished product from china now.

> Pity that also fabrics, threads and yarns come
> from China, nowadays, you funny Einstein.

Those still cost more than the finished article, you pathetic cretin.

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TOPIC: Supreme Court reverses century-old ban on price fixing, inviting
mobster-like behavior from manufacturers.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4d8c8a3f5ef4e846?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 10:09 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <46907507$0$4861$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
> ...
> > I have no software on any of my computers that is not bought and paid
> > for, btw.
>
> You can't buy software. If you read the fine print, you'll find that
> you have only purchased the right to use the software for a period
> of time. The software never belongs to you and, often, you do not
> have the right to make copies (even backups) or the right to sell it.
>
> Anthony

See: open source, freeware, etc. The eulas on those are as different
from each other and commercial software as mercury is from pluto.

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TOPIC: Headlight Flash Warning
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cbc76d4664793b6e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 10:10 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <2007070814103616807-webmaster@mesadesignhousecom>,
Theresa Mesa <webmaster@mesadesignhouse.com> wrote:

> Have you heard of Snopes urban legends? You go to their site and see if
> what you read is an urban legend, like this warning...then you only
> have to warn be about things they should be warned about...

Please. We need fewer morons flashing lights at intelligent people.

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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6c37471a9403c0a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 4:00 am
From: Gordon

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in news:468ff118$0$30622
$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> Here are few things that need to be checked.
>>
>> 1)Outside coil should be hosed off at least once a year.
>> If you have access to a hose bib and a hoes you can
>> do this yourself.
>
> Don't you think using a hoe would damage the coil? On the other
> hand, if it is *really* overgrown with grass or vines or something...
>
> - Logan
>

Yes it would smartass. You know I ment Hose.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:43 pm
From:

"BobK207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1183949795.481084.55470@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 8, 7:49 pm, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1183835832.740207.93920@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 7, 10:20 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > >news:1183827683.384057.146910@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > On Jul 7, 9:45 am, <kjpro @ usenet.com> wrote:
> > > > > > "BobK207" <rkaza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > > >news:1183826561.136321.147780@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > > > > On Jul 7, 9:41 am, cari...@mail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 3:13 am, mm <NOPSAMmm2...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:55:23 -0700, cari...@mail.com
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >On Jul 6, 8:05 pm, "Noon-Air" <Noon-...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> <cari...@mail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > >...
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> Hire a *competent*, licensed, bonded, insured,
> > professionally
> > > > > > trained HVAC
> > > > > > > > > >> technician, instead of depending on some flunkie
handiman
> > that
> > > > > > couldn't make
> > > > > > > > > >> it doing anything else.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >What specifically do I ask him tomorrow? (Types of HVAC
> >
> > > > > > > > > Ask him what the problem is, and how long it will take to
fix
> > it.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Since he doesn't work for you, he may not tell you, but if
you
> > are
> > > > > > > > > nice, and not the least bit snotty, he may well tell you.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Maybe ask him if it's worth repairing or not, although
that is
> > not
> > > > his
> > > > > > > > > decision and he may be much less willing to speculate.
OTOH,
> > if
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > > knows it's a 50 dollar problem, he may be wiling to
speculate.
> > > > But
> > > > > > > > > you have to be even nicer to get answers to hard
questions.
> > > > > > > > > (sometimes even when you yourself are paying).
> >
> > > > > > > > > >certifications?) He is being sent by the landlord, which
I
> > don't
> > > > pay
> > > > > > > > > >for.
> >
> > > > > > > > I just posted a description of what maintenance didn't do as
a
> > > > reponse
> > > > > > > > to my original post.
> >
> > > > > > > why are you now posting multiple replies?
> >
> > > > > > > new to this whole thing,, huh?
> >
> > > > > > They might be, but at least they're smart enough to realize that
a
> > $320
> > > > > > electric bill isn't normal.
> >
> > > > > The fact that "a $320 electric bill isn't normal" for AC in a
800 sq
> > > > > ft is pretty much of a "duh"
> >
> > > > > It was clear early on that her AC isn't working
> >
> > > > For you and others to be harping on "how many hours has it been
running"
> > is
> > > > pretty much mute, DUH!!!!
> >
> > > > You still don't get it.
> >
> > > btw that would moot, not mute :)
> >
> > > I get it just fine, IMO you're missing the point of "tangential"
> > > comments in some of the posts..............
> >
> > > >>>>>For you and others to be harping on "how many hours has it been
> > running" <<<
> >
> > > We were merely harping on the fashion in which the original
> > > information was conveyed....poorly.
> >
> > > when she originally talked about running for "hours" it was unclear
> > > as to whether she was being accurate (that the unit had in fact been
> > > running for 7 hours) or exaggerating, like many non-technical people
> > > do.
> >
> > > I've had a tenant tell me .......... "the heater's been running for a
> > > long time & the house is still cold"
> >
> > > well the truth of the matter was 28F outside, 50F "soak" temp & the
> > > heater had been running for not quite 2 hours
> >
> > > nothing wrong with the furnace, unrealistic expectation on the part of
> > > the "operator"
> >
> > > its the details that matter..........
> >
> > It's the "details" that you missed that started your stupid ass
argument!!!!
>
> I think you're missed it

"I think you're missed it"

I'm not the one questioning the run time of her air conditioning system!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:45 pm
From:

"Tony" <t.seput@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vgUji.249$YH3.66@trnddc08...
> Carie
> I am not AC person however I am refrigeration Tech. representing OEMs
> from many parts of our country. I have read about dozens answers
> and I had it enough. In my opinion any central domestic unit
> if can't bring temperature down to 72 in let say 3 hours is not worth
> having, so you tell you service people fix it or install new one
> there is no excuse for something like that. leave unit running for
> hours leave unit running overnight bullshit if was me two hours
> would be a limit.

You like oversized systems, bigger is better, Eh?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 12:49 am
From: Logan Shaw

carie_r@mail.com wrote:
> I've been here for over a year and a half, and never had an electric
> bill like that, the A/C has never ran continously like it is, and I
> never had any problems getting the temp down to 76 deg.

Prior to that, I did not know that this was not your first summer in
this apartment. Faced with that new information, I would say your
air conditioner is in fact broken.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/acd0e3880fbf9ca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:38 pm
From: "Sheldon"

<sagawaeasdgsdaasfd@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1183905071.302457.312790@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> The Oregonian
> July 08, 2007
>
> Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say
> Defective products - Motorola and Nokia deny links to the problem
> batteries
> DAVID BARBOZA
>
> After concerns over pet food, toothpaste, seafood and defective tires,
> China may now have to cope with another consumer product disaster:
> exploding mobile phone batteries.
>
> Chinese regulators in southern Guangdong province, one of the world's
> biggest electronics manufacturing centers, said this week that they
> had found Motorola and Nokia mobile phone batteries that failed safety
> tests and were prone to explode under certain conditions.
>
> The batteries were said to be manufactured by Motorola and Sanyo of
> Japan's Beijing operation, and were being distributed by companies
> based in Guangdong province, which is near Hong Kong and is one of
> China's biggest export centers.
>
> It is unclear whether any of the substandard and hazardous batteries
> entered the export market.
>
> The announcement came just a day after China's state-controlled news
> media reported that in June a 22-year-old man in western China was
> killed after his Motorola cell phone exploded in his shirt pocket.
>
> The man was reportedly a welder and the heat associated with the job
> may have touched off the explosion.
>
> Motorola and Nokia, two of the world's biggest mobile phone makers,
> immediately denied links to the distributors of the problem batteries,
> suggesting they were counterfeit.
>
> "All the batteries tested were not Motorola genuine batteries," said
> Yang Bo-ning, a spokesman for Motorola in Beijing. "They were fakes.
> Those companies are not our suppliers."
>
> Nokia said it was investigating the case and trying to determine
> whether any of the substandard batteries affected Nokia phones.
>
> Nokia said it doesn't manufacture batteries in China and has no
> business ties with the Chinese distributors named in the safety
> tests.
>
> "We are confident this is a counterfeit product," said Eija-Riitta
> Huovinen, a Nokia spokeswoman in Finland.
>
> But the discovery of the exploding batteries is already threatening to
> turn into another consumer product nightmare, and helping fuel
> mounting international concerns about the quality and safety of goods
> being made in China.
>
> Exports of tainted pet food ingredients earlier this year triggered
> one of the biggest pet food recalls in U.S. history, possibly killing
> or injuring as many as 4,000 cats and dogs, according to American
> regulators.
>
> Cough medicine laced with a mislabeled industrial chemical from China
> called diethylene glycol may have killed as many as 100 people in the
> Dominican Republic last year.
>
> And a few weeks ago, an American company recalled about 450,000
> Chinese-made tires because they did not contain a key safety feature,
> which could prevent tire treads from splitting and falling apart.
>
> The recall occurred after a lawsuit blamed the Chinese-made tires for
> an accident that resulted in the death of two people in the United
> States.
>
Everything is made in China, including the OEM batteries in my Motorola and
the IBM computer I'm typing this message on.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 9:38 pm
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

On Jul 8, 8:38 pm, "Sheldon" <shel...@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote:
> <sagawaeasdgsdaa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1183905071.302457.312790@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The Oregonian
> > July 08, 2007
>
> > Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say
> > Defective products - Motorola and Nokia deny links to the problem
> > batteries
> > DAVID BARBOZA
>
> > After concerns over pet food, toothpaste, seafood and defective tires,
> > China may now have to cope with another consumer product disaster:
> > exploding mobile phone batteries.
>
> > Chinese regulators in southern Guangdong province, one of the world's
> > biggest electronics manufacturing centers, said this week that they
> > had found Motorola and Nokia mobile phone batteries that failed safety
> > tests and were prone to explode under certain conditions.
>
> > The batteries were said to be manufactured by Motorola and Sanyo of
> > Japan's Beijing operation, and were being distributed by companies
> > based in Guangdong province, which is near Hong Kong and is one of
> > China's biggest export centers.
>
> > It is unclear whether any of the substandard and hazardous batteries
> > entered the export market.
>
> > The announcement came just a day after China's state-controlled news
> > media reported that in June a 22-year-old man in western China was
> > killed after his Motorola cell phone exploded in his shirt pocket.
>
> > The man was reportedly a welder and the heat associated with the job
> > may have touched off the explosion.
>
> > Motorola and Nokia, two of the world's biggest mobile phone makers,
> > immediately denied links to the distributors of the problem batteries,
> > suggesting they were counterfeit.
>
> > "All the batteries tested were not Motorola genuine batteries," said
> > Yang Bo-ning, a spokesman for Motorola in Beijing. "They were fakes.
> > Those companies are not our suppliers."
>
> > Nokia said it was investigating the case and trying to determine
> > whether any of the substandard batteries affected Nokia phones.
>
> > Nokia said it doesn't manufacture batteries in China and has no
> > business ties with the Chinese distributors named in the safety
> > tests.
>
> > "We are confident this is a counterfeit product," said Eija-Riitta
> > Huovinen, a Nokia spokeswoman in Finland.
>
> > But the discovery of the exploding batteries is already threatening to
> > turn into another consumer product nightmare, and helping fuel
> > mounting international concerns about the quality and safety of goods
> > being made in China.
>
> > Exports of tainted pet food ingredients earlier this year triggered
> > one of the biggest pet food recalls in U.S. history, possibly killing
> > or injuring as many as 4,000 cats and dogs, according to American
> > regulators.
>
> > Cough medicine laced with a mislabeled industrial chemical from China
> > called diethylene glycol may have killed as many as 100 people in the
> > Dominican Republic last year.
>
> > And a few weeks ago, an American company recalled about 450,000
> > Chinese-made tires because they did not contain a key safety feature,
> > which could prevent tire treads from splitting and falling apart.
>
> > The recall occurred after a lawsuit blamed the Chinese-made tires for
> > an accident that resulted in the death of two people in the United
> > States.
>
> Everything is made in China, including the OEM batteries in my Motorola and
> the IBM computer I'm typing this message on.

Scary. These days "American made" carries the same quaintness as the
old fashioned general
store in Podunk, Illinois.

Here's a video of a Lithium-ion battery going up inside of a laptop.
I imagine the phone batteries aren't much
different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeWq6rWzChw

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 11:31 pm
From: Bucky

On Jul 8, 7:31 am, sagawaeasdgsdaa...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Cell phone batteries made in China may explode, regulators say

so can Sony laptop batteries (which I assume are made in Japan)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4800947.stm

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TOPIC: Frugal living & tourism in Paris, France
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9effe78ed612ad85?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 6:26 am
From: Magda <12@34.56>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:38:17 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
... > like this:
... >
... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french, "Rod
... > Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so
... > they looked ... > like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
... > ... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
... > ... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
... > ... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org

... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
... > ... >
... > ... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
... > ...
... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
... >
... > Give the example, grandpa.
...
... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

Whoosh, grandpa?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 3:49 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:38:17 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> like this:
>
> ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod
> Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked ... > like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french,
> "Rod ... > Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some
> electrons, so ... > they looked ... > like this:
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
> ... > ... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> ... > ... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
> ... > ... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
> ... >
> ... > Give the example, grandpa.
> ...
> ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

> Whoosh, grandpa?

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 7:55 am
From: Magda <12@34.56>

On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:49:49 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:38:17 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
... > like this:
... >
... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod
... > Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so
... > they looked ... > like this:
... > ... >
... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
... > ... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in soc.culture.french,
... > "Rod ... > Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some
... > electrons, so ... > they looked ... > like this:
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
... > ... > ... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
... > ... > ... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
... > ... > ... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org

... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
... > ... >
... > ... > Give the example, grandpa.
... > ...
... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
...
... > Whoosh, grandpa?
...
... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

We know - you are a very special 2-year old, grandpa...

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 4:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 15:49:49 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> like this:
>
> ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:38:17 +1000, in rec.travel.europe, "Rod
> Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some electrons, so
> they looked ... > like this:
> ... >
> ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 06:23:30 +1000, in rec.travel.europe,
> "Rod ... > Speed" ... > <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some
> electrons, so ... > they looked ... > like this:
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote:
> ... > ... > ... > On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 05:34:43 +1000, in
> soc.culture.french, ... > "Rod ... > Speed" ... >
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> arranged some ... > electrons, so ... >
> they looked ... > like this: ... > ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ... > ... Magda <12@34.56> wrote
> ... > ... > ... > ... > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> ... > ... > ... > ... >> Sparrow <funnybunnyfive@yahoo.com> wrote
> ... > ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > ... >>> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
> ... > ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > ... >>> Some videos of Paris:
> ... > ... > ... > ... >>> http://zsmith.org
> ... > ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > ... >> Show us the riots and cars being torched.
> ... > ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > ... > Their prez is better than your prez.
> ... > ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... > ... I aint gotta prez, stupid.
> ... > ... > ... >
> ... > ... > ... > Nor a brain, sparkle...
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > Give the example, grandpa.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
> ...
> ... > Whoosh, grandpa?
> ...
> ... Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

> We know - you are a very special 2-year old, grandpa...

Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.

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TOPIC: Best electric fan for home?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef11c375f0215275?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 9 2007 1:44 am
From: "Phil"

Melissa wrote:
> <cleanfan00112@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:vaydnWm2P5lIZRPbnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> I just started shopping for a good, powerful, electric fan, as
>> electricity costs in the northeastern part of the US are wild. With
>> the heatwaves we've had over the last few years (thank you global
>> warming), I'm tired of running the AC constantly.
>>
>> Anyway, I've checked out the Lakewood HV18C (approx. $50) and the
>> Lasko 4924 (approx $70). I don't think an oscillating fan is
>> necessary as that usually means papers go flying. I've also noticed
>> that it's hard to find
> a
>> reasonably priced tall standing fan. In addition, many are made of
>> cheap plastic and not the metal I was accustomed to 20+ years ago.
>>
>> The last fan I purchased was several years ago - a Bionaire which is
>> completely plastic, and can't even be opened for cleaning! The
>> insides
> are
>> full of grime and soot. So much for the clean air company.
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations?
>
> We bought a Lasko tower fan a few years ago. It has a remote and a
> timer, which is great. It doesn't take up a lot of space, which is
> why we wanted a tower type. It has 3 settings, and oscillates if we
> want it to. The first one died after one season, and Lasko sent us a
> new one for free after I emailed them. This one works fine. Our
> family room gets hot (not vented well), so we set the fan up in the
> doorway to bring cooler air from the dining room back here. It's not
> overly loud either which we like.
>
> Melissa

I like my tower fan too. The silence is the part I value most. Very tall,
narrow flow width keeps one spot quite cool.

--
Phil

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TOPIC: Google Spider Goats [A public information film for all Americans]
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/86d63ff4ecca18bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 8 2007 10:44 pm
From: "The Newsinator"

Oh how unusual. A Google-poster spewing off-topic
crap to a whole bunch o' random newsgroups.

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