Frugal Living: Jan 2, 2009

Friday, January 2, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: date your checks '09,a few ahead.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e5e8f1a53af5205b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:08 pm
From: Jeff

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:08 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
>> Jamie wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>>>> even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
>>>> for a while.
>>>> --
>>>> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
>>>> that's Evolution.
>>> As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
>>> so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
>>> wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
>>> few checks in sequence.
>> If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
>> doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
>> year on a check, they need a conservator.
>
> Agreed. Since I do almost every payment online or via automatic
> deduction, I write maybe 5 checks a year, so remembering the correct
> year isn't exactly difficult.

I agree, the only checks I write are to troglodytes, usually
government entities.

Jeff

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TOPIC: How to spot a bogus dollar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8b58a95aa07b12d1?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:36 am
From: "'nam vet."

believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:38 am
From: "David"

it may have certain markings on it removed. I've seen checkers hold it up to
the light to look for a watermark or a thin line or something. Maybe you
could look it up on the web about counterfeiting.

"'nam vet." <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-E2716E.04363302012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:46 am
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Jan 2, 7:36 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

A bad $20 is that one you stuck in that pole dancer's G-string last
week.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:52 am
From: "David"

<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message
news:486b044a-8a13-43c9-9ff7-b91c11b6d8b0@b41g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 2, 7:36 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>> believe it or not someone locally counterfeited a dollar bill.
>> but, I really want to know is, how to spot a bad $20 u.s.?
>> --
>> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
>> that's Evolution.
>
> A bad $20 is that one you stuck in that pole dancer's G-string last
> week.

that's not the hard part and please try to stay on topic

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TOPIC: 2009, "Be prepared to fight to the finish or your kind will vanish".
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/766a9fc8c60bc0b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 4:36 am
From: Klaus Schadenfreude

In talk.politics.guns Bill Steele <ws21@cornell.edu> wrote:

>In article
><b750dbd8-0ad4-4b50-ac0f-759f94befc46@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>
>> http://www.wvwnews.net/
>>
>> Fine articles.
>>
>> mitch
>
>Your opionion is SO important...

I'm sorta HOPING 2009 is the year they vanish....

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:34 am
From: hal@nospam.com

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:00 -0800 (PST), hpope@lycos.com wrote:

>http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
>Fine articles.
>
>mitch

racist garbage.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 9:11 am
From: record hunter

On Jan 2, 9:34 am, h...@nospam.com wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:00 -0800 (PST), hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> >http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
> >Fine articles.
>
> >mitch
>
> racist garbage.

Poorly written racist garbage.

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TOPIC: Binary Newsserver needed.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9104c76d877203e4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 5:17 am
From: "David"

I use Giganews.

<mailbox24@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4b864be-0c09-40d8-98e0-d405e3fb2abe@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>I do value the opinions of posters in this group. You have protected
> me from several mistakes in the past by your posts and so I am
> wondering if you have had any experience with the NNTPjunkie Usenet
> service.
>
> Your comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:41 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 8:17 am
From: Jackpot

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TOPIC: Trouble with Credit
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:04 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 1, 10:54 pm, "David" <davi...@spamex.com> wrote:
> I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
> account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
> isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
> non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
> debit card in a few days. Thanks.

What do you mean "get going"? You enter your info and after they
confirm your bank account you can send and receive money. Why would
PayPal send you a debit card?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 3:18 pm
From: larry

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 10:54 pm, "David" <davi...@spamex.com> wrote:
>> I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
>> account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
>> isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
>> non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
>> debit card in a few days. Thanks.
>
> What do you mean "get going"? You enter your info and after they
> confirm your bank account you can send and receive money. Why would
> PayPal send you a debit card?

Paypal is pushing their card products. I get a spam screen
everytime I log in, and again when I pay for a purchase.

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TOPIC: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance bill?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5143a3a3f5a603f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:00 am
From: brassplyer

I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
under the l/d than normal.

I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.

I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
billing period.

So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
problems with the latter.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:23 am
From: brassplyer

Repeating to add misc.consumers.house

I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:38 pm
From: Stray Dog

See farther below....

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, brassplyer wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:00:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: brassplyer <brassplyer@yahoo.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers, misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Anyone else seeing mystery phone numbers on Embarq long distance
> bill?
>
> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple of
> calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
> under the l/d than normal.
>
> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
>
> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a different
> billing period.

I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after
Check 21 went into effect, does not send the cancelled checks back but
provides "images". Then, I noticed recently that even the images have
disappeared and they have abbreiviated entries for the "pay to" person or
entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on your
check, either.

Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their
website and take the attitude that YOU have to go to their website and YOU
find any new policy/proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and
without notice. It helps them get away with murder.

I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and all
kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go such as
tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and they don't
know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have worried less
about this system than almost anything else I buy. All the banks are
getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had trouble at the
USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.

Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you
trouble.

And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on
certain hardware, on certain websites, that not all of certain kinds of
e-commerce show up correctly or completely, either, on what is displayed
on your screen. Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser
updates, and on different hardware, also gives different screens!!! And,
when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off. And, then,
weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they fixed
it. Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just
big 8,000 lb gorilla out there; take your chances.

> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
> problems with the latter.

Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more
advanced than you think.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 10:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Stray Dog wrote:
> brassplyer <brassplyer@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I have a local/long dist/DSL package with Embarq & noticed a couple
>> of calls on my long distance bill that I know I didn't make. It's an
>> unlisted number in a state where I don't know anyone, haven't had any
>> occasion to have any business dealings. The reason I noticed this is
>> that I make very few l/d calls and suddenly there was a larger amount
>> under the l/d than normal.
>>
>> I called Embarq to advise them, and they said as I expected that "on
>> their records it looks like I made the calls" but as a one-time
>> courtesy they'll credit my account for the amount.
>>
>> I went back several months online and didn't find any other mystery
>> calls but something else I didn't notice before is that they weren't
>> printing details of l/d calls on my bill. It refers me to the website
>> for details of the calls. When I asked about this, they said okay
>> they'd start printing my l/d details on the bill. This is the first
>> company I've dealt with that didn't do this by default. They do print
>> intrastate l/d calls by default. I asked if he knew why, he said it
>> was a cost-saving measure. When you do go to the online bill, they've
>> got it buried under several layers to finally see the phone number
>> which you have to go through every time you switch to view a
>> different billing period.

> I appreciate your concern, but you should be concerned. My bank, after Check 21 went into effect, does not send the
> cancelled checks back but provides "images".

Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.

> Then, I noticed recently that even the images have disappeared and they have abbreiviated entries for the "pay to"
> person or entity and so you can't even see any notes you may have written on your check, either.

Only fools/dinosaurs write notes on the checks.

> Companies seem to be deliberately _hiding_ all kinds of things on their website and take the attitude that YOU have to
> go to their website and YOU find any new policy/
> proceedure that they add/change/etc., on your own, and without notice. It helps them get away with murder.

Yeah, yeah, its those damned jews conspiring in smoke filled rooms to shaft us all...

> I don't know what Embarq does for you, but I am looking for any and
> all kinds of "annonymous" systems out there, such as pay-as-you-go
> such as tracfone. I buy with cash a PIN number that adds minutes and
> they don't know who I am (they can know who I call, fine), but I have
> worried less about this system than almost anything else I buy. All
> the banks are getting worse about a lot of things, too. I've even had
> trouble at the USPS over stuff that I should not have trouble with.

You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

> Watch out for all that fine print and look for clauses that can give you trouble.

Most havent been given the bums rush and have plenty better to do with their time.

> And, another little doozie: we've noticed here, on certain web browsers on certain hardware, on certain websites, that
> not all of certain kinds of e-commerce show up correctly or completely, either, on what is displayed on your screen.
> Guess what else? Same OS, same web browser, same browser updates, and on different hardware, also gives different
> screens!!!

Thats those damned jews again!!!!!!

> And, when we told one CS department about this, they blew us off.

Cant imagine why for the life of me.

> And, then, weeks later they must have gotten tons of complaints because they fixed it.

Or you ran out of the whacky weed...

> Also no announcement, no "we're sorry we ignored you," nothing. Just big 8,000 lb gorilla out there; take your
> chances.

You should do the decent thing and set fire to yourself in 'protest' or sumfin.

>> So either someone somehow made calls on my line or there's some issue
>> with their billing mis-assigning l/d charges to the wrong bill.
>> Wondering how the former would be accomplished, or if anyone has had
>> problems with the latter.

> Hacking and phreaking (hacking the phone company, etc) may be more advanced than you think.

Or you've been at that whacky weed, again.

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TOPIC: bank account referral
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d39814b9a9a7e666?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 12:31 pm
From: "David"

Hi, I would like to know of a good american bank to use with bad or limited
credit history. I have used other check cards but they did not offer checks,
and found it difficult to even up with paypal. I also may have a mark or two
on chex systems that is preventing me from getting a good checking account
anywhere. I also have incurred debt at three loan establishments with
nothing much to show for it. Thanks, I am new hear but have participated
before.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 5:17 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <ypedncK3NvAJ5MPUnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
"David" <usenet-email@spamex.com> wrote:

> Hi, I would like to know of a good american bank to use with bad or limited
> credit history. I have used other check cards but they did not offer checks,
> and found it difficult to even up with paypal. I also may have a mark or two
> on chex systems that is preventing me from getting a good checking account
> anywhere. I also have incurred debt at three loan establishments with
> nothing much to show for it. Thanks, I am new hear but have participated
> before.

For information on banks, see http://www.bankrate.com but note that as
long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:36 pm
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> For information on banks, see http://www.bankrate.com but note that as
> long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
> your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.

This is actually not true in the US. There is a bank network reporting
people who frequently bounce/kite/whatever checks, and those people tend
to have a much harder time opening an account.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 9:31 pm
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net

On Jan 2, 8:36 pm, Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply
<samh...@TRASHsonic.net> wrote:
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> > For information on banks, seehttp://www.bankrate.combut note that as
> > long as you are not applying for a credit line and you have proof of
> > your address, any bank should be willing to give you an account.
>
> This is actually not true in the US. There is a bank network reporting
> people who frequently bounce/kite/whatever checks, and those people tend
> to have a much harder time opening an account.

>
>
What Samantha says is true. 20+ years ago a jerk who was my b/f at
the time also messed up his chance of getting a checking account much
like this David person. Like an idiot I opened an account in both our
names. BIG MISTAKE. He soon started the same sloppy checking
practices as before. I learned my lesson and quickly closed that
account and sent him packing!

Until this David person mans up to his problem and fixes it, he'll
find getting a checking account almost impossible.

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TOPIC: Epigenetics for young and old
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/7a232ebcde5aeb1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:26 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

On Jan 1, 2:05 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> Epi means 'above' or as a precursor to... over riding genetics etc.
> in this case.
>
> Its an old but fast advancing science. Search recent book by Dr
> D'adamo (sp).
>
> many facinating studies bearing on how genetics changes in the womb,
> or more accurately which genes get active and which supressed ...while
> the baby is forming in the womb, according to the stresses the mother
> is facing at the time... if she is not well fed, then the child will
> be programmed in the womb for such a world... tending to hoard
> things, eat too much, and retain the fats etc.. or get lazy, hyper
> active and whatever.
>
> accordinglly it appears that the 5 generation national life cycles
> described in great detail by Kondratiev (his 260 year long cycles) and
> analyzed by Dr Ravi Batra in his book 'the coming collapse (or
> depression) 1990.. is driven by epigenetic factors..
> \
> the genes remain the same, but are selectively tuned as we are pre
> birth and later to drive behaviors at that level..beyond our choice
> levels.
>
> I wont elaborate on the obvous effects of flush times on the
> epigenetics of its offspring, the results though seem evident these
> days.
>
> **
> a cure:
>
> I am age 68, a working tradesman/ and consulting engineer when I can
> get a contract (industrial mechanical/ electrical systems and
> controls)... and in my slack time my body and metabolism can get
> slower than mollasses, its bad for my health... epigenetics effects
> of laying around.
>
> When I get jambed into a hard work situation for a few weeks, it is
> quite painful, most people would nto perist, but I persist and
> recover.. the recovery time physically is about 2 months... mentally
> it is in the 5 to 10 year range unfortunately.
>
> Ive been though both cycles more than a few times, and am currently
> doing very well mentally after 10 debilitating years consulting
> (mental work without the physical interaction while associating with
> idiots is debilitating... all stress, no joy, no control.).
>
> **
> as the USA heads into its collapse phase, life will get difficult,
> many will go hungry, forcing people to work hard......... and
> recover.
>
> It will take a while however nationally, given the massive debt we
> have accumulated and various bad law and way too much of our
> rescourses spent on govt bloat.
>
> That would be the epigeneitcs of national recovery in my view.
>
> Phil scott

Well Phil, the good news is you won't have to go through this hell
much longer. Hope cramming for your finals works out.

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TOPIC: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/91b29b33b75bb0d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 6:52 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Dave wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:51:19 -0500
> From: Dave <noway1@nohow2.not>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
>
>>>> The advantage of Windows is that it is as "plug and play" as any OS can
>>>> be
>>> That's not true. Windows isn't as "plug and play" as any OS can be.
>>
>> Name one that comes even close.
>>
>>
>> Drivers are a major problem for any OS/device compatibility.
>>
>> I'm still going to say that its going to be easier to get your peripherals
>> to work under Windows and, believe me, I do not like MS/BG/Windows.
>
> You haven't installed any recent linux distro, then.

I tried Ubuntu recently (you're not reading my posts). All fine until the
OS could not find my modem.

Before that, I had Red Hat's workstation (ver 3, Taroon), which also had
hardware incompatibility problems. Before that, I had every version of RH
back to ver 4.2, and Caldera OpenLinux (which installed on one box, and
crashed on install on another box), and several other distros all of which
crashed on install. The most compatible RHs were 5.2 and 6.2, and I was
successful in installing these on EVERY box (more than a dozen) AND got
the modem to work in ALL of these, plus the printer working.

Installing Windows XP
> or Vista properly can take hours,

I'm not ever going to use Vista. Put XP on two boxes here, less than one
hour, and modems work, box works, printer works.

when you factor in the time it takes you to
> find, download and install all the proper drivers.

If YOU want to chase all over hell for whatever you need, go ahead.

In contrast, installing
> linux on the same hardware to a USABLE state, can take as little as 5
> minutes.

I've installed Red Hat 5.2 on a 486 box in 10 minutes. What is your
maximium? How many have you done?

> Linux has a bad rep. because some proprietary hardware solutions are not well
> supported in linux

Oh, no kidding?

(but the same can be said for windows, especially 64-bit
> windows). But if you try to install linux on any fairly recent mid-range
> system without any exotic bleeding edge hardware, the simplicity of the
> install (ESPECIALLY compared to Windows) will amaze you.

I spent MANY years on most of the Linux newsgroups back from 1999 to about
2004-5, and can tell you if anyone wants to search the archives...there is
a tone of woe out there. No less than Windows or Macs (and I read the Mac
newsgroups too for six months; they have problems, too).

-Dave
> (triple-boots various linux distros with vista and xp)

Yeah, I've had that too. OS2, DOS, Linux, Windows (many).

Don't go pumping up stuff just because you had good luck with it. Just
like the newer versions of Windows, the newer versions of Linux had
upgrades in hardware stringency.

Oh, yes, there is a bug in the new Ubuntu multiboot option.

No, they do NOT have all the bugs out of it (Ubuntu), although they did
clean up the graphics glitches (but not the software glitches).

I'm really sorry, I like the idea of Linux, but I went back to my most
convenient OS: Win98SE, where they got the bugs down to the point where I
can put it on any of my boxes and know I'll get everything I want to work.
And, I do NOT like MS or Bill Gates, either.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 7:07 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008, Dave wrote:

> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:46:05 -0500
> From: Dave <noway1@nohow2.not>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
>
>
>> I agree; many new systems no longer have "install disks". There's a
>> "system restore" partition you invoke through keystroke commands on
>> bootup if you need to wipe/reinstall/restore. Doesn't do you much
>> good if 1. the drive is fried 2. you upgrade to a larger drive.
>
> Assuming the drive is NOT fried and you need to restore the system, a "system
> restore" partition still won't do you any good. Without exception, Windows
> is pre-installed in pre-built computer systems in a state that is virtually
> unusable. You can spend many hours trying to uninstall all the unwanted
> bloatware that is slowing down your computer, only to have the registry
> hopelessly fucked. Or, (this is the proper fix) you can use a real windows
> install disk to format c: and install windows fresh. That is what you have
> to do before you even USE a brand new computer, if the computer comes with
> windows pre-installed. This is not optional, but required. If you want your
> computer to work correctly, that is.
>
> So the system restore partition does you absolutely ZERO good if you ever
> need to re-install Windows. At best, if it works, it will restore the system
> to the original state, which is unusable. -Dave
>

There is an even worse situation: Lots of hardware (desktops and laptops)
coming out now is "hardwired" to an OEM version of Windows (XP, etc.)
written for exclusively THAT hardware, and you _cannot_ install any OTHER
OS even if you want to. I've heard this from several guys who tried it and
they are not dummies who never built boxes or installed OSes from a empty
HD.

Its another reason for people to go with "white boxes" which _should_ be
compatible with any OS (and its aps, with exceptions for undocumented
bugs, hardware incompatibilities, etc.). I've had various kinds of trouble
with boxes with IBM logos and peculiar MB layouts, specialized ribbons &
connectors, and weirdo POST sequences.

Go to your supplier who should know if Linux will load, and make sure he
tells you WHAT versions it will load, and where did he get his information
from. I've had all manner of combinations of Linux versions that installed
on Box A, B but not C, and D, and other versions that would install on C
and D, but not A and B.

Then, you can worry if the aps and applets will work, too. Back in the
earlier days (When MS IE was stable and Windows crashed) of Linux it was a
shock to users to find that Linux was stable, but the Netscape had more
bugs in it and crashed all the time on certain websites with certain
hardware. Its in the Linux NG archives back 7-8 years ago.

Oh, yes, I've used StarOffice (5.2) when Sun first gave it away, $10 for a
CDROM with versions for Linux, Windows, OS2, and Solaris. Tried all but
Solaris. Various bugs. Under OS2 StarOffice would crash as a webbrowser
on almost any but simplest websites. Better on Linux and Windows (in case
some of you didn't know that old StarOffice had web browswer capabilities).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 2 2009 7:44 pm
From: ezekielk@goct.net (Zeke Krahlin)

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:08:11 -0500, strabo <strabo@flashlight.net>
wrote:

>Once this optimal level is attained, oppression will rapidly increase
>fostering a physical revolution and overthrow of government.

That's it in a nutshell. :/
--
Final Testament (bible for queers only)
http://www.gay-bible.org

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 31 2008 9:23 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Fake ID" <no-spam@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:495b136a$0$1629$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> In article
> <7b1bef32-8c87-4542-a554-e55c328fc365@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
> <hpope@lycos.com> wrote:
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>>
>>Mass immigration, economic decay, social chaos, to lead way downward.
>
> It says he's been predicting America's collapse for a decade.
> Eventually he will be right. No empire lasts for ever. It can be fun
> to speculate on how this one will end.
KGB at work here girls.............
Get your head out of your ass
>
> For reasons I don't recall I recently read what wikipedia had to say about
> the Alaska purchase. The world just doesn't see big real estate deals
> like thay anymore. Anyway, the Russians sold to the US because they
> thought they might lose it to Britain. The next sale might be similar.
> Prospective owners include Russia, flush with petrol euros and as a
> point of pride; and China who will foreclose after the US Treasury
> defaults on bond payments. Forseeing the inevitable, the US will try to
> find a friendlier alternative, Canada or the EU. Whoever it is, the new
> owner will get a pristine oil field, preserved by econazis who
> preventing any drilling in ANWR. But, like all oil fields, someone will
> eventually drill it, just that it might be a different country by then.
>
> Tom Friedman also has some dire thoughts on the future.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/24/opinion/24friedman.html?_r=1
> Some TV show, Extreme Engineering, I think, discussed that new Hong Kong
> airport Friedman flew out of. They took three islands and bulldozed
> them into a single flat one for the airport. A project like that in the
> USA today would be skuttled by all the protests and lawsuits.
>
> m

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 9:54 am
From: nys999

Blackwater <bw@barrk.net> wrote in news:s8col4th4ndtao5g7mneagt5bjs06o88a1
@4ax.com:

> hpope@lycos.com wrote:
>
>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html
>>
>>Mass immigration, economic decay, social chaos, to lead way downward.
>
> Well ... not as if the whole place is gonna disappear.
>
> Any kind of collapse will represent the start of
> a 're-formation'.
>
> Into WHAT though ... ?

Well, to help paint that picture, we no longer have the
crude oil reserves to sell overseas and still have enough
to fuel rebuilding our economy. Will we even have enough
domestic oil to maintain agriculture at the level it is
today? Because we're actually at a breakeven between food
exports and imports. So any decrease in production means
we'll have to be a net importer to stave off famine.

Oh what a nice set of economic midgets you saddled us
with.

I imagine, when enough bellies are empty, that the Chinese
rules on reproduction will be instituted here. I can see
the posters: "Enjoying sex? Use a condom. It's the law!"

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 9:26 am
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>Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it
>Visit online jobs, movies..,
>
>
>

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 7:24 am
From: "'nam vet."

even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
for a while.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 8:54 am
From: Jamie

On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> for a while.
> --
> When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> that's Evolution.

As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
few checks in sequence.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 3:08 pm
From: MSfortune@mcpmail.com

Jamie wrote:
> On Jan 1, 7:24�am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> > for a while.
> > --
> > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > that's Evolution.
>
> As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
> so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
> wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
> few checks in sequence.

If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
year on a check, they need a conservator.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:43 pm
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 1, 6:08 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> Jamie wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 7:24 am, "'nam vet." <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> > > even if you still put '08 on your checks, the bank will cash them , well,
> > > for a while.
> > > --
> > > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > > that's Evolution.
>
> > As 2007 drew to a close, I got the idea to predate my checks for '08
> > so as not to write the wrong year. And as 2008 ended yesterday, I
> > wrote one last check for '08 and wrote 09 ahead of time on the next
> > few checks in sequence.
>
> If it works for you, fine I guess. In my estimation, if a person
> doesn't have the situational awareness to know and write the correct
> year on a check, they need a conservator.

Agreed. Since I do almost every payment online or via automatic
deduction, I write maybe 5 checks a year, so remembering the correct
year isn't exactly difficult.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:08 pm
From: Jeff

I agree, the only checks I write are to troglodytes, usually
government entities.

Jeff

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:05 am
From: phil scott

Epi means 'above' or as a precursor to... over riding genetics etc.
in this case.

Its an old but fast advancing science. Search recent book by Dr
D'adamo (sp).

many facinating studies bearing on how genetics changes in the womb,
or more accurately which genes get active and which supressed ...while
the baby is forming in the womb, according to the stresses the mother
is facing at the time... if she is not well fed, then the child will
be programmed in the womb for such a world... tending to hoard
things, eat too much, and retain the fats etc.. or get lazy, hyper
active and whatever.

accordinglly it appears that the 5 generation national life cycles
described in great detail by Kondratiev (his 260 year long cycles) and
analyzed by Dr Ravi Batra in his book 'the coming collapse (or
depression) 1990.. is driven by epigenetic factors..
\
the genes remain the same, but are selectively tuned as we are pre
birth and later to drive behaviors at that level..beyond our choice
levels.

I wont elaborate on the obvous effects of flush times on the
epigenetics of its offspring, the results though seem evident these
days.

**
a cure:

I am age 68, a working tradesman/ and consulting engineer when I can
get a contract (industrial mechanical/ electrical systems and
controls)... and in my slack time my body and metabolism can get
slower than mollasses, its bad for my health... epigenetics effects
of laying around.

When I get jambed into a hard work situation for a few weeks, it is
quite painful, most people would nto perist, but I persist and
recover.. the recovery time physically is about 2 months... mentally
it is in the 5 to 10 year range unfortunately.

Ive been though both cycles more than a few times, and am currently
doing very well mentally after 10 debilitating years consulting
(mental work without the physical interaction while associating with
idiots is debilitating... all stress, no joy, no control.).

**
as the USA heads into its collapse phase, life will get difficult,
many will go hungry, forcing people to work hard......... and
recover.

It will take a while however nationally, given the massive debt we
have accumulated and various bad law and way too much of our
rescourses spent on govt bloat.

That would be the epigeneitcs of national recovery in my view.

Phil scott

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:38 am
From: E Z Peaces

phil scott wrote:
> On Dec 31, 10:50 am, E Z Peaces <c...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Don Klipstein wrote:
>>> In article <Niz6l.537$3y5....@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, E Z Peaces wrote:
>>>> Doesn't the skin require the destructive kind of UV, where the sun is
>>>> above 45 degrees, to make Vitamin D? Can you get that from a bulb?
>>>> Doesn't that mean ingesting the vitamin at least in winter can be vital
>>>> for people who don't live in the tropics?
>>> Incandescents in general don't. Some halogens (all of which have bare
>>> halogen "capsules" without outer bulbs, and not even all of those) do
>>> provide some significant UV-B at close range, sometimes also along with a
>>> significant trace of UV-C - highly considered harmful.
>>> I have often heard of sun being 40 degrees above the horizon being
>>> sufficient to produce adequate Vitamin D in the skin. There are also
>>> supplements and fortified milk.
>>> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)
>> Here's a page I like:http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080107072603AAfpfSP
>>
>> It says uvb is 5% at 40 degrees and 18% at 50 degrees.
>> It says if A is the sun's elevation and K is the number of extinction
>> magnitudes for radiation passing through the atmosphere at 90 degrees,
>> the relative intensity is 10^(-K*(1-sinA)/2.5sinA).
>>
>> With a normal amount of ozone, K is 6 magnitudes for uvb, which seems to
>> mean 10% at 45 degrees.
>>
>> So somewhere around 40 to 50 degrees, people who spend time in the sun
>> at noon might not get enough Vitamin D from it. At Fort Lauderdale you
>> would get 40 degrees in winter. Corpus Christi is too far north.
>>
>> I think it was in 1999 that a large group of elderly Americans were
>> tested and most found to be deficient in Vitamin D. Milk has been
>> fortified since 1930 or so. D2 was the most common additive because it
>> was cheapest. It worked for lab rats, but after 70 years they found it
>> didn't work so well for humans.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> good info, thanks
>
> Phil scott

I like to use a 45-degree limit, partly because it's easy to see by
shadows. During the time of day that the sun is higher, I wear a hat
and walk or stand rather than work or rest in the sun. That way my
limbs are vertical. My summer exposure is likely to be 40 degrees or
less, which Don says may be adequate. I pick up plenty of uva that way,
and I've read that this helps protect the skin from uvb damage.

Once a woman asked me to help her pick poke salad. If I'd known how
long it would take I would have gone home for my hat. The sun climbed
to 45 degrees and we weren't finished. Fifteen minutes after it broke
through heavy clouds, I got my hat. My face was red for a few days.

My neighbor asked me to mow his 1.5-acre lot about Labor Day. I had to
mow in the middle of the day. All year I'd been spending about 6 hours
a day in the sun, but not with my legs horizontal under the midday sun.
They got sunburned.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:56 am
From: "Bill"

"Adam" <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Stray Dog" <sdog2008@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0812302224150.11906@sdf.lonestar.org...
>
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008, Seerialmom wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:23:02 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com>
> > Newsgroups: microsoft.public.development.device.drivers, misc.invest.stocks,
> > misc.consumers.frugal-living
> > Subject: Re: Better think twice about supporting M$ / Windows
> >
> > On Dec 30, 12:16 pm, "Dave" <now...@nohow2.not> wrote:
> >>> I think its just going to be an option. No way are pc mfgs going to
> >>> cancel pc sales.
> >>
> >> Not to mention, most hardware enthusiasts roll their own, anyway. And linux
> >> is not for sale at any price. -Dave
> >
> > That's not Linux I see on the shelves at Fry's or Best Buy?? Or is it
> > not really Linux if it has another name like Red Hat or Ubuntu?
>
> If it says Linux, then it should be some "distribution" (i.e. under Red
> Hat or Ubuntu or any of the other "distribution" names). I have no idea
> what the guy means by not for sale at any price. If you care to dig around
> and learn how to do it and have high speed access, you can get a copy for
> free.
>
> The problems with Linux (I spent a few years, a few years ago, looking
> hard at Linux and came back to windows 98 second edition for 99% of my
> work plus I refused to upgrade my software for two reasons: i) I could do
> everything I needed to do with what I had, and ii) I refuse to help bill
> gates get even richer) is that you need to know more than you think to
> "take care of it". The advantage of Windows is that it is as "plug and
> play" as any OS can be and Apple's OS-X is not as immune to hacks as they
> would like you to think (just google on "hack os-x" for 30,000 hits).
>
> And, by the way, OS-X is basically BSD, another unix clone like Linux, and
> you can get BSD cheap or free, too, but you also need to be a little geeky
> to know what you are doing.
>
> But, in the end, there is probably more software--easily installable and
> uninstallable--for Windows than anything else.
>
> The big insult with the new Windows (i.e. all late versions) is that they
> do not give you an "install disk" so you can re-install your OS if some
> hacker messes up your hard drive. It is critical that you get backup
> software, and backup your OS before you put it on the internet (before the
> spyware, rootkits, viruses, and other malicious code [coming in via java,
> javascript, etc] get on the box and mess you up). So, if you don't have a
> backup (and you have to be brave to try this), you end up taking your
> thing back to the store and spend maybe couple hundred bucks having THEM
> re-install the OS. And, you might call up a few repair stores and ask
> about this before you plunk down your money. I'm reading and hearing about
> people who --when their box starts behaving slow and erratic--just throw
> it away and buy a new box rather than nuke their hard drive and
> re-install.
>
> Another big insult with Microsoft is the product activation so that you
> have to contact them and get them to let you re-activate your software and
> its up to their pleasure to grant that or not. This part makes me think
> "go Linux" but as long as all the software I have now (Windows 98 second
> edition) works fine, I'm going to stay with it and not just to save money,
> but all the other agravation.
>
> Finding old versions of Windows is a pain, but might be possible on eBay,
> etc., and you'd better ask about the license that comes with the original
> disks. Of course, if you get a bootleg copy I suppose you also have the
> priviledge of re-installing without problems but just make sure you get
> that product code, which is often somewhere in the documentation that
> almost everyone throws away, thus making the disks useless. Microsoft
> pulled every trick it could to guarantee as much as possible to itself
> continued profits that come out of your wallet.
>
> I'm not sure where the world is going to be in 10-20 years, but THEY will
> get you to part with your money if they can.
>
>
> =========================================================
>
> Absolutely! Of course, Bill Gates wants your money.
>
> Bill Gates even dared to go on television (in this economy) to
> tell people that they should still donate (to his foundation).
>
> And worse, Bill Gates wants to screw Americans too ...
>
> Bill Gates makes the (bogus) case for more (cheap) foreign labor
> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070226-8924.html
>
> Shame on Bill Gates!
>
> That guy "um...er...uh"s a lot but he sure has nerves. :-)
>

Microsoft planning big layoffs for January?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10130165-75.html

Hmmm ... I wonder how many will be Americans.

Bill Gates to Congress: Let us hire more foreigners
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9892046-7.html

What ever happened to TRAINING? With technology moving at
warp speed, does Bill Gates plan to keep exchanging Americans for
cheap foreign labor?

So long as unemployment is high, H-1B visas do not make sense.
TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...TRAINING...

Plead with your senators to cut importing foreign labor, students, etc.
U.S. taxpayers deserve better than this nonsense ...

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 11:58 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

http://www.wvwnews.net/

Fine articles.

mitch

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 8:54 pm
From: Bill Steele

In article
<b750dbd8-0ad4-4b50-ac0f-759f94befc46@e6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
hpope@lycos.com wrote:

> http://www.wvwnews.net/
>
> Fine articles.
>
> mitch

Your opionion is SO important...

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TOPIC: Garage door remote GT90-1 vs. 912
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/f3fb1ca733324945?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 2:27 pm
From: "keep.earth.clean@gmail.com"

On Dec 31 2008, 2:46 pm, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
> keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I need an extra remote and somebody is offering a 912. Would this work
> > in lieu of a GT90-1?
>
> > Thanks
>
> Have you looked at the manufacturers website for manuals or information
> on this?

Yes, I did but could not find anything relevant.

Thanks

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 10:48 pm
From: "keep.earth.clean@gmail.com"

On Jan 1, 2:27 pm, "keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com"
<keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 31 2008, 2:46 pm, Goomba <Goomb...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > keep.earth.cl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I need an extra remote and somebody is offering a 912. Would this work
> > > in lieu of a GT90-1?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > Have you looked at the manufacturers website for manuals or information
> > on this?
>
> Yes, I did but could not find anything relevant.
>
> Thanks

Well, I physicall got hold of the 912. It works...

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TOPIC: I sure do want my penny!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/20ccfc5ba13a12fd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 3:56 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

See here for an etiquette thread I started a while back, titled: "Why
do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.miss-manners/browse_thread/thread/fc68c1cf9b0776f3/15b3fdc2da804c87?lnk=gst&q=less+than+a+nickel#15b3fdc2da804c87

You'll enjoy it.

Lenona.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:00 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:56:37 -0800 (PST), lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

>See here for an etiquette thread I started a while back, titled: "Why
>do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"
>
>http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.miss-manners/browse_thread/thread/fc68c1cf9b0776f3/15b3fdc2da804c87?lnk=gst&q=less+than+a+nickel#15b3fdc2da804c87
>
>You'll enjoy it.
>
Doubt it. Never been asked that by a cashier my entire life.
But I have had some looks of surprise when I tip fast food workers.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Miss Manners resolution for her readers - don't dump your bills on your
friends
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0c724730617471c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:23 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

Common sense, right? Not according to the mail she receives.

It's MM's main peeve. You'd think those who write to her, even for the
first time, would have heard by now that she doesn't approve, no
matter how big or important the occasion is to the writer - such as a
wedding.

http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=755601&category=LIFE

First fifth of the column:

"Here is a New Year's resolution for which nobody asked: Do not try to
live above your means.

"Yes, Miss Manners knows that everyone has resolved to cut back on
expenses. Probably every year since time began. It may be more urgent
now, but people are always doing that.

"However, that is not the resolution that Miss Manners proposes. She
is hoping for an end to the now commonplace attempts to live above
one's means by means of mean devices to use other people's means."

Lenona.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 4:43 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

And to quote what MM wrote years ago:

"If you can't afford champagne, serve punch. If you can't afford
punch, serve water. But serve it graciously."

Lenona.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 5:56 pm
From: haranjoe@lycos.com

Visit etiquettehell.com for HORROR stories of Gimme Pig Brides trying
to charge a cover charge to their weddings, etc.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 1 2009 7:54 pm
From: "David"

I have been having trouble getting Paypal to work correctly with a bank
account and debit card. I have it all ready but something behind the scenes
isn't letting me get going. Would appreciate direction to a good
non-chexsystems bank that would allow me to sign up right away and receive a
debit card in a few days. Thanks.

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