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TOPIC: OT: Climate Change
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/644bf640f475d0c1?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 6 2010 10:54 pm
From: "David Hare-Scott"
Gary Heston wrote:
> In article <i3ed9g$caq$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
>> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by
>> added CO2 in the atmosphere.
> [ ... ]
>
> Most disagree that there's any significant warming; real numbers (as
> opposed to the manipulated ones from East Anglia) don't show it.
>
Is this is your own invention or are quoting somebody? While the email
scandal was big political field day for contrarians (it proves it's all a
big conspiracy don't you know) it has nothing to do with the science.
> There is, however, no real evidence of human-caused warming. The sun
> can easily (and is, at the moment) cause significant increases in the
> earth's temperature.
>
That's odd you just got through saying "Most disagree that there's any
significant warming". Do you have any evidence for the sun being
responsible? Solar forcing has postulated as the cause of climate change
but the case has never been made satisfactorily.
>
>> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have
>> screwed ourselves?
>
> Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
>
> http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
>
>
This is a long and rambling article. It makes a number of sweeping
statements about climate and supports none of them with any calculations.
Do you have a simple take-home message from this tract that you think is
important? What is it? Where is the evidence for it?
David
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 12:51 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Gary Heston wrote
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote
>> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
>> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by
>> added CO2 in the atmosphere.
> Most disagree that there's any significant warming; real numbers
> (as opposed to the manipulated ones from East Anglia) don't show it.
Thats a lie. The Thames froze over at one time and doesnt anymore.
The glaciers certainly have retreated.
Whether that is due to human activity or not is a separate matter entirely.
> There is, however, no real evidence of human-caused warming.
It is clear that the CO2 levels have increased significantly.
> The sun can easily (and is, at the moment) cause
> significant increases in the earth's temperature.
Yes, but you havent established what you have in brackets.
>> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed ourselves?
> Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
> http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
Pauling had a PhD and an Nobel Prize and was always a complete loon.
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:19 am
From: Billy
In article <8c4hjeFe31U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pauling had a PhD and an Nobel Prize and was always a complete loon.
Pauling has TWO Nobel Prizes and was always the smartest guy in the
room, but I will cede to your superior familiarity with loons.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 11:04 am
From: Billy
In article <GZmdnUi-dd93S8HRnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>,
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
> In article <i3ed9g$caq$1@news.albasani.net>,
> Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> > It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
> >that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
> >CO2 in the atmosphere.
> [ ... ]
>
> Most disagree that there's any significant warming; real numbers (as
> opposed to the manipulated ones from East Anglia) don't show it.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy>
The Climatic Research Unit email controversy (dubbed "Climategate" in
the media) began in November 2009 with the Internet leak of thousands of
emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia's (UEA)
Climatic Research Unit (CRU). . . Allegations by climate change sceptics
that the emails revealed misconduct within the climate science community
were quickly publicised by the media.
Three independent reviews into the affair were initiated in the UK, two
of which were concluded by the end of March 2010, with the remaining
review releasing its findings on 7 July.
The scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it
is induced by human activity" was found unchallenged by the emails[12]
and there was "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in
any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
<http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/final-university-of-east-report
-clears-scientists-0421.html>
July 7, 2010
Final University of East Anglia Report Clears Scientists
So-called Scandal is Over, Science Group Says
WASHINGTON (July 7, 2010) ‹ The so-called "Climategate" scandal is over,
according to the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), and it really
wasn't a scandal after all.
Brenda Ekwurzel, a UCS climate scientist, said the manufactured scandal
over the stolen emails has been an unwelcome distraction for her
colleagues. "Scientists now can get back to doing science," she said.
"This report should lay these unwarranted accusations against climate
scientists to rest once and for all. The politicians and pundits who
attacked these scientists and dragged their names through the mud owe
them an apology."
>
> There is, however, no real evidence of human-caused warming. The sun
> can easily (and is, at the moment) cause significant increases in the
> earth's temperature.
>
And this explains why atmospheric CO2 went from 280 parts per million
(ppm) in 1800, to 310 ppm in 1960, to 390 ppm in 2010? I don't think so.
Also see reports on acidification of the oceans and its affect on marin.
life.
<http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ancient-ocean-acidifica
tion-intimates-long-recovery-from-climate-change>
<http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=whys-the-ocean-less-gre
en>
And the Scientific American article "Threatening Ocean Life from the
Inside Out" in the August 2010 edition of Scientific American. p.66
>
> > So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
> >ourselves?
>
> Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
>
> http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
And he isn't a meteorologist.
What else do you got?
>
>
> Gary
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 12:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Pauling had a PhD and a Nobel Prize and was always a complete loon.
> Pauling has TWO Nobel Prizes and was always the smartest guy in the room,
Like hell he ever was with his vitamin shit.
<reams of your juvenile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 8:24 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 08/07/10 11:04, Billy wrote:
> Three independent reviews into the affair were initiated in the UK, two
> of which were concluded by the end of March 2010, with the remaining
> review releasing its findings on 7 July.
>
> The scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it
> is induced by human activity" was found unchallenged by the emails[12]
> and there was "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in
> any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman -- Monica Lewinsky.
--
Cheers, Bev
================================
Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway.
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 9:18 pm
From: Billy
In article <i3l812$jta$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/07/10 11:04, Billy wrote:
>
> > Three independent reviews into the affair were initiated in the UK, two
> > of which were concluded by the end of March 2010, with the remaining
> > review releasing its findings on 7 July.
> >
> > The scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it
> > is induced by human activity" was found unchallenged by the emails[12]
> > and there was "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in
> > any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
>
> And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman: Monica Lewinsky.
Actually, the judge said he could use the dictionary definition, which
was vaginal, so TECHNICALLY he didn't have sex with that woman.
But what does that have to do with "Global Warming", or do you just like
to talk about oral sex? Do you have something to say? Spit it out.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 9:38 pm
From: Billy
In article <8c5prfFmq3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Billy wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> Pauling had a PhD and a Nobel Prize and was always a complete loon.
>
> > Pauling has TWO Nobel Prizes and was always the smartest guy in the room,
>
> Like hell he ever was with his vitamin shit.
>
> <reams of your juvenile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed
> where it belongs>
If you could learn punctuation, and didn't talk like a potty mouth, you
might actually be listened to more. IMHO
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/2/maude
http://english.aljazeera.net/video/middleeast/2010/07/201072816515308172.html
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 9:52 pm
From: Slim
On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:11:14 -0400, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
>ourselves?
http://www.petitionproject.org/
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:08 pm
From: Slim
On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:45:46 -0500, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>Here's a Physics PHD with a Nobel Prize:
>
> http://www.theamericanscholar.org/what-the-earth-knows/
How about over 9000 PHD's?
http://www.petitionproject.org/
Qualifications of Signers
Signatories are approved for inclusion in the Petition Project list if they have obtained formal educational degrees at the level of Bachelor of Science or higher in appropriate scientific fields. The petition has been circulated only in the United States.
The current list of petition signers includes 9,029 PhD; 7,157 MS; 2,586 MD and DVM; and 12,715 BS or equivalent academic degrees. Most of the MD and DVM signers also have underlying degrees in basic science.
All of the listed signers have formal educations in fields of specialization that suitably qualify them to evaluate the research data related to the petition statement. Many of the signers currently work in climatological, meteorological, atmospheric, environmental, geophysical, astronomical, and biological fields directly involved in the climate change controversy.
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:19 pm
From: Slim
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT), Chris <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote:
>There is no real scientific controversy about anthropogenic global
>climate change. The "scientists" who deny it are pretty much all
>shills for energy companies like Exxon-Mobil.
Not so.......over 31000 scientists disagree.
http://www.petitionproject.org/purpose_of_petition.php
The purpose of the Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climatological damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
Publicists at the United Nations, Mr. Al Gore, and their supporters frequently claim that only a few "skeptics" remain – skeptics who are still unconvinced about the existence of a catastrophic human-caused global warming emergency.
It is evident that 31,487 Americans with university degrees in science – including 9,029 PhDs, are not "a few." Moreover, from the clear and strong petition statement that they have signed, it is evident that these 31,487 American scientists are not "skeptics."
These scientists are instead convinced that the human-caused global warming hypothesis is without scientific validity and that government action on the basis of this hypothesis would unnecessarily and counterproductively damage both human prosperity and the natural environment of the Earth.
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:25 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 08/07/10 21:18, Billy wrote:
> In article<i3l812$jta$3@news.eternal-september.org>,
> The Real Bev<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 08/07/10 11:04, Billy wrote:
>>
>> > Three independent reviews into the affair were initiated in the UK, two
>> > of which were concluded by the end of March 2010, with the remaining
>> > review releasing its findings on 7 July.
>> >
>> > The scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it
>> > is induced by human activity" was found unchallenged by the emails[12]
>> > and there was "no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in
>> > any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
>>
>> And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman: Monica Lewinsky.
>
> Actually, the judge said he could use the dictionary definition, which
> was vaginal, so TECHNICALLY he didn't have sex with that woman.
>
> But what does that have to do with "Global Warming", or do you just like
> to talk about oral sex? Do you have something to say? Spit it out.
That governments and governmental leaders will say what they need to say
regardless of the truth, and that you can find "independent reviewers"
to arrive at whatever conclusion you want -- or can afford.
Where did they find an "independent review" panel composed of persons
who (a) can evaluate the data; (b) can evaluate the language used; and
(c) have no connection one way or the other with the global warming
controversy?
The globe gets warmer and cooler and has done so for quite a long time.
I think it would be more sensible to try to figure out how to deal
with change rather than engage in the rather fruitless undertaking of
trying to stop it.
Analyze the data yourself. Form your own conclusion.
--
Cheers, Bev
*********************************************
Not all cultures are equal. If they were, we
would have a lot more cannibal restaurants.
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 10:48 pm
From: "David Hare-Scott"
The Real Bev wrote:
> On 08/07/10 11:04, Billy wrote:
>
>> Three independent reviews into the affair were initiated in the UK,
>> two of which were concluded by the end of March 2010, with the
>> remaining review releasing its findings on 7 July.
>>
>> The scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that
>> it is induced by human activity" was found unchallenged by the
>> emails[12] and there was "no evidence of any deliberate scientific
>> malpractice in any of the work of the Climatic Research Unit."
>
> And Bill Clinton didn't have sex with that woman -- Monica Lewinsky.
Unless you know more through some sort of magic than all the authorities who
investigated this issue this is just a taunt. We already know there is a
slice of the population who believe the conspiracy theory you don't need to
repeat that or declare you are a member.
The conspiracy theorist either conveniently forget (or never understood)
that the scientific community around the world would be last place to try to
organise a conspiracy. First, there is no central authority to enforce
silence or conformity. Second, the way to fame in the scientific world is
to go against the prevailing wisdom AND to win by providing the evidence. I
am not saying there are no errors or disagreements but a global conspiracy
of climatologists is just a joke. Let me say it another way: if he/she has
the evidence there is a huge reward for the scientist who breaks ranks and
they cannot be effectively censored.
The contrarian lobby on the other hand continues to run out blatant lies
that have been refuted many times. But that can still work. You only have
to create enough FUD and your have won by default because no action will be
taken.
David
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 11:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Billy wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Billy wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Pauling had a PhD and a Nobel Prize and was always a complete loon.
>>> Pauling has TWO Nobel Prizes and was always the smartest guy in the room,
>> Like hell he ever was with his vitamin shit.
<reams of your juvenile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
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TOPIC: Why America can have better bicycling than Europe
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 6:54 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Aug 7, 12:05 am, Kalle Mustonen <kalle.musto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are reading the list via e-mail client, you can spam-filter the
> monkey out.
>
> For example in gmail web-client: Click "Create a filter"...
>
> I just added a monkey filter, which is kind of a pity cause I think
> the brother has some potential.
> Shame that he chooses to be SUV-mans little friend, cherishing the
> fear culture designed to keep lower class road users out the way of
> the SUV-man.
The gorilla (aka SUV-man) keeps the mundane monkeys down if they are
disorganized. It actually denies democracy and it feeds our wildest
and basest instincts, even though the efforts of the establishment to
look civilized.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 7:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Aug 7, 12:05 am, Kalle Mustonen <kalle.musto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you are reading the list via e-mail client, you can spam-filter the
> monkey out.
>
> For example in gmail web-client: Click "Create a filter"...
>
> I just added a monkey filter, which is kind of a pity cause I think
> the brother has some potential.
> Shame that he chooses to be SUV-mans little friend, cherishing the
> fear culture designed to keep lower class road users out the way of
> the SUV-man.
>
> Kalle
And I've placed so much faith in you being the European-Man, a sort of
civilized homo sapiens, unselfish enough to reach out across the
Atlantic and illuminate us with your wisdom.
OK, fuck Europe, we look for wisdom elsewhere. They are badly
overcrowded and are selfish monkeys that think their Paradise can be
sustained in isolation from the jungle. Well, then they complain about
having too much immigration, but they are not clever enough to put two
and two together.
The revolution must be aimed at the South where the injustices are
multiplied by 100 and the source of immigration is. And it will not be
motorized.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 11:13 am
From: Clams <"Clams"@drunkenclam.com>
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> right now?
>
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>
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 8:19 pm
From: VFW
In article <i3k7ou$d3t$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
Clams <"Clams"@drunkenclam.com> wrote:
> Rachel Williams wrote:
> > So, why not get the answers to your questions
> > right now?
> >
> > www.psychicandspirtualscam.com
> >
> > Rachel 714-414-9847
>
>
> If you were truly psychic, you'd already know my question, so please
> just post the answer.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 8:18 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 08/06/10 19:00, h wrote:
> "The Real Bev"<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:i3i3ji$mqa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> On 08/06/10 14:13, Lenona quoted a NYT article...:
>>
>>> "...Library fines seem small to the middle class, but for people who are
>>> struggling to get by (and more likely to be delayed returning the
>>> book), they can be a big enough burden to discourage library use. We
>>> eventually stopped going."
>
>
> My library lends books for 4 weeks. Can you seriously not get it back there
> in time? And the fines are not exactly hefty. I call bullshit. When I was a
> kid my mother let me walk the 4 blocks to the bookmobile once a week and
> signed a card saying I could take out up to 10 books a week in the summer, 2
> during the school year. After I was 7 (deemed old enough to walk to the
> bookmobile by myself) she never censored my reading, nor did the bookmobile
> staff.
My kids could get their own library cards as soon as they could reliably
print their names. The library was just up the street and on the way to
school. I told the librarian they could check out anything they wanted,
not just the kids' books. They both became excellent readers.
> I took out whatever I wanted. I suppose the fact that I read
> everything and brought it back on time didn't hurt either, especially when I
> read Animal Farm, The Jungle Book, Charlotte's Web, The Green Eyes of Bast,
> and Slaughterhouse Five (I was in an "animal" phase, clearly) one summer
> week when I was 8. I liked Animal Farm best, because it was the most true to
> life, at least from an 8 year old's perspective. Adults were "weird". I
> still think most of them are. Although, the Egyptian book led me to major in
> archeology for my first year of college (switched to history a year later).
I can't imagine anybody eschewing their local library because they
couldn't remember to return the books on time and couldn;t afford the
fines. There really ARE reasons that some people stay poor and
downtrodden throughout their lives, and this seems like it might be one
of them.
BTW, how many books does the OP buy for her kids? Does she pay full
price? Does she patronize the local used book store or the 'for sale'
shelves at the library, which are one of the better bargains in town?
Or does she just whine?
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Cheers, Bev
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Eat right. Stay fit. Die anyway.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 7 2010 8:19 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 08/07/10 20:18, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 08/06/10 19:00, h wrote:
>
>> "The Real Bev"<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:i3i3ji$mqa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 08/06/10 14:13, Lenona quoted a NYT article...:
>>>
>>>> "...Library fines seem small to the middle class, but for people who are
>>>> struggling to get by (and more likely to be delayed returning the
>>>> book), they can be a big enough burden to discourage library use. We
>>>> eventually stopped going."
>>
>>
>> My library lends books for 4 weeks. Can you seriously not get it back there
>> in time? And the fines are not exactly hefty. I call bullshit. When I was a
>> kid my mother let me walk the 4 blocks to the bookmobile once a week and
>> signed a card saying I could take out up to 10 books a week in the summer, 2
>> during the school year. After I was 7 (deemed old enough to walk to the
>> bookmobile by myself) she never censored my reading, nor did the bookmobile
>> staff.
>
> My kids could get their own library cards as soon as they could reliably
> print their names. The library was just up the street and on the way to
> school. I told the librarian they could check out anything they wanted,
> not just the kids' books. They both became excellent readers.
>
>> I took out whatever I wanted. I suppose the fact that I read
>> everything and brought it back on time didn't hurt either, especially when I
>> read Animal Farm, The Jungle Book, Charlotte's Web, The Green Eyes of Bast,
>> and Slaughterhouse Five (I was in an "animal" phase, clearly) one summer
>> week when I was 8. I liked Animal Farm best, because it was the most true to
>> life, at least from an 8 year old's perspective. Adults were "weird". I
>> still think most of them are. Although, the Egyptian book led me to major in
>> archeology for my first year of college (switched to history a year later).
>
> I can't imagine anybody eschewing their local library because they
> couldn't remember to return the books on time and couldn;t afford the
> fines. There really ARE reasons that some people stay poor and
> downtrodden throughout their lives, and this seems like it might be one
> of them.
>
> BTW, how many books does the OP buy for her kids? Does she pay full
> price? Does she patronize the local used book store or the 'for sale'
> shelves at the library, which are one of the better bargains in town?
> Or does she just whine?
Oops. I forgot that there was no original poster, just Lenona quoting a
NYT article about what appears to be an ignorant whiner...
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Cheers, Bev
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