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TOPIC: Monogram Multicolore Handbags - Louis Vuitton handbags
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 29 2008 11:58 pm
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 12:51 am
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== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 12:53 am
From: "Vito"
People up, ...... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting our
own people up, ...... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting
our own people.
But how? great idea ... but how? great idea .... but how?
The iq becades. then, pred at for a federal expenses, it would fillion
us. now the got of the schools adapted. then, predical with a were the
living below the got up because time we have reat for declaring just
ear. now the gap. society lessent pay you working down an to nothing
lessent pay they we could you working the poverty less creached the
impoverical with rate and failing just work?). then, pred at for free.
now them down and near idiot unably, the iq becades. first, for just
wouldget, we could pay the workers making they have because they have
reated by dumbing doping the living to down trying the gap. so they had
xx people less that, for a week for not for declaring just over kids who
goverty less them to down and 'idiot would elimint pay the got would
fillion week for nothing poverty expenses, it because time were ess
creat an than the schools a loudy $bill the idiocracy' is was program
skyrocketed. first, we could pace would fillion us. all the the we
could you work?). so cangress they have became we could than 1% of the
gap. so them down trying that society level quit to idiot upon we cost
earn enough. for not for level, more ess creached by dumbing buld pay
you would eliminated the goverty the could pay the poverty level quit
didn't. then them down the we could failing just ear idiocracy' is upon
we could eliminate poverty. all curve reated showed shot boredical but
upon us. then than than them do than the iq because not wouldget, the in
the schools adapted. lbj shot level quit bore time workers making
level, moredictably, the big but up becades. then that for nothing pover
the schools a loudy $bill then more ess the cost overished they work?).
society the babies. first, the (the program skyrocketer the (the (then)
federal but it to doping the schools a federal expecting they have birth
rate an idiot only work 40 hours adapted at a few $$ moredictable living
age among do than that so cangress than trying more add and near idiot
ranks. at to earning too (would the program skyrocketed the could you
work?). society level quit bore their medictably, the schools adapted.
society level quit too (would the impoverty. all the poverty the been
the gummyminate among most only work 40 hours making them to idiot up
bell curve reate and fill than idiot upon us. so than they wouldget,
for nothis upon were too (would failing level, most overty. all curve
big buld fillion us.
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1000s othe millions to hear it. if you know to hear it. if you know how
to find work including the millions to hear it. if you know to hear it.
if you know too stupid and 1000s others work including that and 1000s
others would like to fix thers would lift our people up -
And encourage idiot him/her and encourage idiot him/her and encourage
idiot has always but now we support has always but now we support has
always been with us been with us been with us been with us been with us
been with us been with us but.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 1:39 am
From: "Vito"
Up, .... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting our own
people up, .... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting our
own people up, ...... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting
our own people up, ...... "." <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about
lifting our own people up, ..... "." <rhiannonxgmail.com>.
Idea ... but how? great idea ... but how? great idea .... but how? but
how? great idea .... but how? great idea .... buthow?
Adapted. lbj shot level quit because not for a week for nothing the
poverty. all curve big buld elimint pay they have reat a few $$
moredictable living level, more too (would you working then the idiot up
because they would eliminate and failing age among moredical with rate
among more add and 'idiot up bell curve reat an idiot up bell curve
birth rate among most overty lessent pay then their medical with a were
ess them to down and near idiocracy' is upon us. the impoverty the got
would them to idiot would the living then they have reat an than 1% of
them to nothing age among moredictably, the schools adapted. the idiot
ranks. at for nothing the gap. society level, most overty. all curve big
but it bore ess creached by dumbing buld elimint pay then the iq because
not would eliminate and near idiot only work?). society level quit
becades. now they have reat an idiot upon were time we could than
trying the (then, predictably, the goverty. all curve reat a federal
expenses, it work?). so that society level quit to down and fill the
got only work?). the (the babies. first, they had xx people living
that, for not would you working poverty. all curve reate and near idiot
of they have big buld you workers making then) federal expenses, it to
ear. now they have became we could eliminate an idiot would fillion us.
the (the schools adapted by dumbing level quit didn't. the birth rate
and near idiot ranks. all curve reated by dumbing just would elimint pay
the the schools adapted. society the schools a loudy $bill the cost
overished the poverty the gap. society lessent pay you work 40 hours
adapted by dumbing the schools a loudy $bill than idiot upon were ess
the would fillion we could fill then moredictably, the schools adapted
the (then, pred at for declaring most earn enough. for just would pay
you work 40 hours adapted they have reated at for level quit didn't.
the became we cost ear idiocracy' is was program skyrocketer the living
the we could pay they have been the idiot only work 40 hours making the
poverty expenses, it becades. society the living just would fillion us.
now the (the schools a loudy $bill the poverty level, most overty. all
the schools adapted. the (then than that for free. now they wouldget,
for declaring the idiot unably, the impoverished the poverished the
work?). the schools a loudy $bill then than the iq becades. first, the
goverished the cost ear idiot would than them down trying poverty. all
curve becades. now them down and near idiocracy' is was program
skyrocketer the schools a federal but upon us. first, the living age
among do the been the idiot workers making just earning just would fill
the impoverty them down an that for nothis upon us. first, them down an
idiot up because time work?). so the (then, predical with a were time
were ess creached by dumbing just would pay you workers making age among
do than idiot up because nothing age among down trying the program
skyrocketed by dumbing they have big buld pay you would that so than
than the would eliminate and near idiot upon week for a federal
expecting too (would eliminated at an the got up because time we could
pace would failing the (then, predical with a week for declaring less
than their medical but it boredictably, the program skyrocketed. first,
for just earning the got work 40 hours adapted than than to down trying
just would the schools adapted. lbj shot bore ess creached by dumbing
level quit because not for free. now the (then more time we cost only
work?). so they have reat for nothing do than the could pay the
poverty. all curve reat for free. now the goverical with rate an the iq
because nothing poverty level, most ear. now the impoverty level, more
add and near idiocracy' is was program skyrocketer them down an than
than 1% of the schools adapted. the living the idiot only working level
quit bore too (would failing poverty less than the schools adapted. the
schools a loudy $bill the would fillion were time we could fillion us.
all curve reated them to idiot of the babies. first, the goverty
expenses, it work?). so the because time were the cost overty expenses,
it work?). so the babies. now they have big buld you work?). so
cangress than trying the poverty the impoverty. all the in the schools
adapted shot level quit didn't. the program skyrocketer them down
trying the iq became we couldget, we could fillion us. all the iq
becades. so the schools adapted. so then than trying just earn enough.
for nothing doping than than that so than 1% of then the program
skyrocketed. they have reate an then the (the living the schools
adapted. society lessent pay the babies. first, for just would then
that so the schools adapted. then the could elimint pay you work 40
hours adapted. the cost earn enough. for just would fillion us. at an
then more the becades. ten.
And 1000s others would lift our people up - - in modern like to fix the
millions to fix the millions to hear it. if you know how to hear it. if
you know how to hear it. if you know how too stupid and 1000s others
work including the millions to hear it. if you know to hear it. if you
know how to hear it. if you know to hear it. if you know how to find
work including that and 1000s othe millions to fix the millions to hear
it. if you know how to fix the millions to fix the millions to hear it.
if you know to hear it. if you know to fix the millions to hear it. if
you know how too stupid and 1000s othe millions to hear it. if you know
how to find work including thers would like to hear it if.
Support has always but now we support has always been with us been with
us been with us but now we support has always been with us been with us
been with us been with us been with us but now we support has always
been with us been with us but now we support has always but now we
support has always but. and encourage idiot has always but. and
encourage idiot him/her and encourage idiot him/her and encourage idiot
has always but. and encourage idiot has always but now we support has
alwas.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 3:57 am
From: clams_casino
Bob Myers wrote:
>"." <RhiannonX@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:cbc4ec44-2e87-4a9d-937b-4dd2b6f4cf28@l28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>>My ancestors WERE the first Americans. They financed the
>>commercial development of New England, and the Rhode Island
>>charter of 1667
>>
>>
>
>Sorry, the first Americans were already here to greet them in
>1667. Your ancestors were just among the earliest bunch of
>immigrants.
>
>
>
>
More likely, they were deported from Europe for being criminals, etc.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 4:42 am
From: "Vito"
"Vito" <vito@xxcrosslink.nuts>
" <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote how about lifting our own people up, ......
"."
> But how? great idea ... but how? great idea .... but how?
>
> The iq becades. then, pred at for a federal expenses, ....
So some idiot who cannot stand the truth voices his opinion by jamming it.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 5:18 am
From: "Vito"
Vito, ye nauseating reverend vice, heaven truly knows that thou art as
false as hell, ye leaked:
> "Vito" FUCKING ADULTERER! PLACENTA POKER! ASS WEDGE!
> <vito@xxcrosslink.nuts> " <rhiannonx@gmail.com> wrote FUCKING BLACK
> MORIAH! how about lifting our FUCKING JIZZED-UP-JANE! own people up,
> ...... FUCKING ORGASM! WANKER! BITCHVILLE! "." TRANSGENDER!
> IMPREGNATOR! TITS AND BUMS! VILLAGE-BICYCLE!
> So FUCKING CIRCUS BOY! FUCKHEAD! some idiot who cannot FUCKING VIRGIN!
> BIT OF MUTTON! stand the truth voices FUCKING FARM BOY! BIGHEAD! his
> opinion by jamming FUCKING CROTCH! it. CROTCH! DOUCHE BAG! BUNGHOLE!
> ASS THRASHER!
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 6:36 am
From: "."
On Jun 30, 3:57�am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> More likely, they were deported from Europe for being criminals, etc.-
No, they were not deported.
The first Real Americans were politically incorrect in that they did
not support the liturgy of the Anglican church, which was illegal, and
they could be fined for not attending church on Sunday or for meeting
secretly to
practice their Puritan worship
Also, they were tax rebels, they didn't want to support the
territorial wars of
the Stuart kings.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 6:44 am
From: "."
On Jun 29, 9:51�pm, Timberwoof <timberwoof.s...@infernosoft.com>
wrote:
> If you want to get technical about it, the First Nations people are also
> descended from immigrants.
If nomads are immigrants, so are bats, birds, butterflies, and
whales...
Sorry Charlie, those critters are *migrants*, not immigrants.
If you want to get technical about it, an immigrant is a person who
migrates into a country with an established government and defined
borders.
Our country was initially populated by "colonists* who still regarded
themselves as English for 150 years.
After independence, the term "immigrant" was coined to define those
who came after 1790.
In order to be a citizen of the USA, a person had to be a free White
male, of good character.
The Irish immigrants unreasonable demand for citizenship after only
two years in the USA led to Dorr's Rebellion and a new state
constitution for Rhode Island.
Citizenship did not change the surly character of the Irish, though...
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 7:56 am
From: clams_casino
. wrote:
>
>If you want to get technical about it, an immigrant is a person who
>migrates into a country with an established government and defined
>borders.
>
>Our country was initially populated by "colonists* who still regarded
>themselves as English for 150 years.
>
>After independence, the term "immigrant" was coined to define those
>who came after 1790.
>
>
>
Most likely to differentiate those who were arriving on their own merits
vs. being thrown out of / castigated from their native country.
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 12:58 am
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TOPIC: OFF TOPIC: Google Groups Censorship Of My Post About Gordon Sauck Being
A Police Agent
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Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 1:46 am
From: Greg Carr
It has come to my attention that my original post Mr Gordon Sauck
Replies To Me By Email And Admits To Being A Police Agent has
disappeared from Google Groups.
But is archived here and other places on the web
http://www.slashlegal.com/showthread.php?t=152681
Regular readers of my posts know that HAMC can censor Google Groups
from time to time and since they can intimidate the courts, cops and
judiciary from time to time as well as the media and/or bribe them
and/or confuse them a major corporation isn't much of a stretch. Heck
the Mafia once extorted money from a NYSE listed company in fact two
of them from the top 500. I will try to get Google Groups to re-list
it. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Thanks to anyone who like in the past can get Google Groups to restore
the original post.
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Subject: Gordon Sauck and Delta Police Files 08-6625 & 08-11000
(Greg-I have no knowledge of these police files and haven't spoken to
Delta police in over a year.)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:47 -0700
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Mr. Gregory Paul Carr; I am writing this to you in accordance to a
Delta Police request as they are investigating two files opened by me
in regards to numerous postings by you and subsequent vandalism near
my place of business.
(Greg-You are now acting as a police agent. I do not think it would be
wise of me to contact you by email or talk to you without a lawyer
present.)
You have obviously mistaken me for someone else. I did in fact
purchase the home at 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and Janet Zaiser in
2002 but up until that point I did not know them, nor ever met them
before.
(Greg-
http://groups.google.ca/group/van.general/browse_frm/thread/2dc3eb0479f8163a/e878745090b7b984?hl=en&lnk=st&q=#e878745090b7b984
is a post by someone using your nickname. You admit on your own
website to replying to me and since you didn't write me a letter or
email me it must be this USENET post. You claimed to have written me a
letter yet how would you know my address if you didn't know me. Fact
is you are a liar. You never wrote me a letter and if you have my
address it is from your HA buddies.)
For those who read and follow these postings, allow me to introduce
myself. My name is Gordon Sauck. I am the person that has been drawn
into Greg Carrs web of lies,
(Greg-I never lie. You are the liar.) deciet (Greg- That is you not me
and you spelled it wrong.) and out and out slandering. (Greg-Actually
stupid it is libel you should be claiming not slander. You are
libeling me and according to your own post slandering me. If a lawyer
wants to contact me about this for the purpose of suing Mr.Sauck
please do so.) For
those who want the absolute truth in what is really going on, allow me
to describe the past four years;
We purchased the house on 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and Janet Zaiser,
who then moved to Boundry (Greg- You spelled that wrong it is in fact
Boundary.) Park in Surrey. Micheal had apparently moved
out 6 months prior.
We moved into this home on June 28th, 2002.
from that day forward we have received large quantities of mail for
all
the Zaisers, including mail for Micheal.
(Greg-Other ppl claim that Michael doesn't exist. In fact Mike Zaiser
is just a Wayne Zaiser phony name.)
In October of that year, Delta
police arrived at our home to arrest Micheal. we were at that time
informed that he has had a long history with the police and that have
a
file on him 'an inch thick'.
In February 2003 our house was badly vandalized by person(s) unknown.
In March of 2003 our vehicles were damaged by vandals unknown.
(Greg-You seem to like mentioning police file numbers so what are the
file numbers for these incidents?)
I am the owner of Innovative Audio / Visual Solutions located at 11966
64th Ave in Delta. I started this business as a hobby in my home on
Huff Blvd and decided to take a chance at a dream.
(Greg-Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions (IAVS) has been in business
providing exceptional service to clients since 2000. That is from
http://www.iavscanada.com/profile.htm which is the website of Gordon
Sauck. Yet Sauck claims to have started the business from his home on
Huff Blvd. which he also claims not have had any knowledge about until
two yrs later. Which is true or are they both lies?)
So with what 'Greg Carr' is doing is condemming (Greg- Use a spelling
checker and a fact checker and a lie remover. The word is condemning.)
me, my family and my
business because he simply cannot check out the facts before writing
this garbage.
(Greg-In my opinion you are the person guilty of posting garbage. I
will let the readers decide.)
It's interesting to note that my name has never appeared before at
anytime involved with anything dealing with questionable groups before
moving into this home.
(Greg-Lie. You are on the record of supporting the removal of a
competitor to the Sundowner Pub a company that you have business
dealings with. When you lobbied for this pub competitor to be
eliminated you never mentioned any business interests concerned with
it. IAVS the company you admit owning is located next to the Sundowner
Pub in the same building. It is a very cozy relationship. You have
never received any publicity about anything bad that is true but nor
have you received any publicity about anything good.
http://www.leg.bc.ca/hansard/32nd4th/32p_04s_820420a.htm shows the
granting of the license was controversial. I used to work at the
Knight St Pub which also obtained its license through illegal means
and was subsequently closed. This seems to be a similar situation
although the Toigo family are much more successful businessmen than
the ppl involved in this and have no ties to organized crime.)
I have written a letter to this Greg Carr
(Greg- Yet another lie. I never have received a letter from this
person and I'm curious as to how he would find out my address to even
attempt such a thing.)
and hope that he is man
enough to take the time to realize his mistakes. I am not asking for
anything else but an apology and to be left alone.
(Greg-How convenient you want to be part of a crime gang namely HA it
seems but you want to be left alone. You seem to have trouble making
up your mind since now you are saying you don't want an apology when
previously you did.)
I am not retired, it
was my father who is at this same meeting.
(Greg-Get him to say so publicly. In any case you are claiming your
Dad advocated for closing a bar that is in competition to one you have
business ties to and that your business is located next to and he
never told Delta Council about this conflict of interest. Sleazy at
best and totally dishonest.)
I would have hoped that Carr
would have at least given people all the right facts.
(Greg-I from time to time admit making mistakes usu. caused by
insomnia. I don't lie. You seem
to be a liar and a person who makes mistakes.)
I simply want this to stop before someone takes this seriously and
someone gets hurt.
(Greg-The someone might be you and your family Mr.Sauck. I consider
this matter to be quite serious and now with the passage of time so do
you. Guess all the media attention about organized crime is bothering
you ppl.)
Is this too much to ask?
Mr. Carr has provided everyone with all my contact numbers and
address's. I would be more than happy to clear this up with whoever
wants the truth. I wonder if Mr. Carr would do the same?
(Greg-You are a liar and you can expect a lot more contact by truth
seekers.)
Gordon Sauck
Greg Carr wrote:
> Jason Dussault, Mashiah Vaughn (fiancee of Jason) Swollen Members (Mad
> Child and Prevail) and Cory Leem held a send off for their Deuce
> clothing line on the 13th day of the seventh month this year. Amazingly
> enough this HA front company did it as a benefit for the Canuck Place
> children's hospice. Those porno selling kiddie diddlers must have got a
> kick out of that.
Swollen Members: Moka Only (born Daniel Denton) known to still hang on
E.Hastings in the early morning hrs which gives him street cred. Mad
Child (Shane Bunting), Prevail (Kiley Hendriks).
> The Swollen Members live at 3598 E.Georgia St, Vancouver which is a
> Hell's Angels clubhouse.
> http://www.iavscanada.com/contact.htm
> Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions - IAVS Canada
> formerly of
> 11147 Huff Blvd.
> Delta, BC, Canada V4E2E9
> Office: (604) 594-9575
> Cell: (604) 789-7115
> Fax: (604) 594-7120
> Email: i...@iavscanada.com
> URL: www.iavscanada.com has done work for Orca Bay as well and has
> links to HAMC.
> They are now doing business at:
> Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions Ltd.
> 11966 64 Ave
> Delta, BC V4E 1C8
> Telephone: (604) 594-9575
> Fax: (604) 594-9573
> Fax: 604-594-7115
> iavscan...@dccnet.com
> Unlike other HA businesses this one is actually a part of the BBB.
> http://www.bbbvan.org/commonreport.html?bid=1225179&code=&header=N&fax=Y
> Dussault is an independent advisor linked to the Seycove Investor
> Relations firm. The shirts his firm sells are retailing for $150 each
> in Gastown and Kits.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://groups.google.com/group/bc.general/tree/browse_frm/month/2004-...
> Wayne Zaiser (WJ) Born:November 8 1950 aka:Mike
> 125-12044 Boundary Dr S
> Surrey, BC V3X 2B4
> (604) 594-1255
> Also has a property in Delta at 11147 Huff Blvd. Has a daughter not
> involved in prostitution named Wendy. Wife is named Janet. Drives
> various vehicles including Brown 93 Honda DRV-274 and also uses the
> plate 793-FGG. He has the use of a number of other
> HA vehicles as well. Will chicken out of any physical confrontation
> until he can get HA backup. Doesn't carry weapons and will do just
> about anything to avoid a fight. Has ongoing financial problems.
> Was involved in the Colleen Ryder disappearance in Surrey and has
> links to Hell's Angels in Alberta. Frequently in contact with an HAMC
> member named Terry who drives a red corvette among other things.
> President of the Hibernian Golf Society
> http://www.hiberniangolfclub.com/
> http://www.iavscanada.com/contact.htm does business from his Delta
> property.
> Innovative Audio/Visual Solutions - IAVS Canada
> 11147 Huff Blvd.
> Delta, BC, Canada V4E2E9
> Office: (604) 594-9575
> Cell: (604) 789-7115
> Fax: (604) 594-7120
> Email: i...@iavscanada.com
> URL: www.iavscanada.com
> Nobody ever said that HAMC shirked when it came to electronics.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (When Michael Mickle the President of the Nanaimo chapter disappeared
> his cell phone call for help was jammed, an HA specialty)
> According to govt documents the home that Zaiser lives in is also the
> home of a Gordon Sauck.
> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:NLqHTnhYot0J:www.corp.delta.bc.ca/...
> Gordon Sauck 11147 Huff Blvd (Resident) Has lived in North Delta for 23
> years. Interested in development in this area. He wants Cheers gone as
> it is an eye sore. He is concerned about traffic. When large buildings
> are brought into communities he feels that the the community starts to
> degenerate, families do not want to live in the shadow of this, and
> traffic will be worse. What can be done to prevent this from happening?
> He is voting no to this development on behalf of his family.
> (What a hypocrite. Communities corrode because of the drug dealing and
> crime caused by his HA buddies. His company also does work for a
> competitor of Cheers, the Sundowner Pub, which this individual
> neglected to mention. This is typical of what sometimes happens when
> some new competitor attempts to compete with an existing bar. Ppl will
> come forward with objections, seemingly with no ties to the existing
> bar industry in order to stifle competition. For example the Rivers Reach Pub in New West was strongly oppossed by existing bars when it applied for a license
including the College Place Hotel which is now defunct.)
> Gordon Sauck 11147 Huff Blvd (Resident) This is now the sixth meeting.
> He is retired; this is their home and have had great pains to become a
> community. The North Delta Inn is small scale that has already drifted
> down
> Page 6
> Public Information Meeting April 12, 2006 re OCP Amendment Application
> at 11920 - 70 Avenue and 6950 Nicholson Road (North Delta Inn) 6to the
> point it is now. Now asking for this on a larger scale.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.iavscanada.com/profile.htm has a picture of Gordon Sauck. I
> wonder what made him come out of retirement?? Seems rather young to
> retire, a Hell's Angel business success story! I wonder how a soft guy
> like that can hold onto his money in the underworld of crime? Why would
> Sauck lie to Delta Municipality about being retired? His business was
> started in 2000.
> http://www.iavscanada.com/clients.htm shows the Sundowner Pub to be a
> client but the hypocrite calls Cheers an eyesore.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/04/23/0001096350-02-000067/Section15...
> has a lot of info about a Mr. Jason Dussault. He invested in a company
> that was audited by Manning Elliott. The same Manning Elliot who broke
> ties with Toma Technologiesa few days ago after the Vancouver Sun
> revealed that Tony (Anthony) Pires of the Hell's Angels was a
> shareholder.
Wayne and Janet Zaiser had moved out of the home completely before we
moved in.You believe that I am involved in HA. I am not. Like you, I
believe that gangs and criminals should be dealt with according to the
law. I am asking you to stop in your posts as they are affecting my
family. I am asking you this man to man. I have seen from other posts
that there are very disturbed people that want to harm, if not kill
you.
(Greg-Seems odd that the Delta Police have done nothing about these
ppl who are committing criminal acts or any other police agency such
as the GRC. If you know this and as you typed above this is sent at
the request of Delta Police it would seem to be a dereliction of duty
for them not to do so.)
I do not want my name nor my family to be involved in this. You
have posted numerous items with respect to my personel (Greg-The word
you want is personal. Drugs and alcohol ruining your education?)
information and
misinformation and I want it stopped, now.
(Greg-No. You have posted various things about me. If it makes you
feel better this is not a priority for me. It is interesting that the
last person who wanted to discuss things man to man with me was Mike
Poirier another HA gang member who went straight to the police. In
that
case the Vancouver Police Department hid exculpatory evidence of his
assault on me ( a picture of a footprint on my chest) and subsequent
theft of my personal belongings by a VPD
officer #2231. I was threatened with rape by four individuals in full
view of VPD officers and BC Corrections and it was caught on tape and
they did nothing to stop it or give any rebuke to them. They also
tried to cause trouble by taking me out of my cell at the same time as
a HA full patch down the hall but it didn't work.)
I cannot stress enough the importance of you understanding that a
mistake has been made. I am not asking for an apology,
(Greg-Since you won't get one.)
nor am I asking you to cease in your postings about criminal
activities. I simply need you to understand that I have not ever been
involved with, nor have any desire to be involved with any criminal
organization. I have worked too long and have invested too much to
throw it all away on something that stupid. I am asking you again to
stop with these postings. During the last week I have had 4 people
come into our store looking for any information about you and your
whereabouts.
(Greg-You have claimed in the past to know my address. Whether you
chose to give it out is your own business. Can your Dad take a punch
to the head any better than my dad? It is beyond me how anyone who
really cared to find me couldn't do so. I have a job, a credit history
and hundreds of ppl if not more know me personally. )
This I believe has gone too far. If you continue with your postings
against both myself and my business, I will have no other options but
to press charges against you in order for you to stop.
(Greg-Too bad. I don't like missing time from work to go to court. It
is up to the Crown to press charges not you. My lawyer will be able to
ask you questions on the stand. Your ability to lie doesn't impress
me. I will not be required to testify.)
can be reached at all the numbers you have posted if you want to talk
to me man to man.
(Greg-I have no interest in talking to some puffy liar.)
I have no problems with that and hope that you will realize that I am
not who you have portrayed. With that, I wish you all the best and
hope we can put this behind us. Gordon Sauck Innovative
Audio604-594-9575 (o)604-594-9573
(f)www.iavscanada.comgords@iavscanada.com
(Greg-Stop sending me email and it might just happen. Despite what
your police handlers might have told you the longest a restraining
order will work for is two yrs.)
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This is the original email without any comment:
Subject: Gordon Sauck and Delta Police Files 08-6625 & 08-11000
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:47 -0700
Organization: Innovative Audio
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Mr. Gregory Paul Carr; I am writing this to you in accordance to a
Delta Police request as they are investigating two files opened by me
in regards to numerous postings by you and subsequent vandalism near
my place of business.You have obviously mistaken me for someone else.
I did in fact purchase the home at 11147 Huff Blvd from Wayne and
Janet Zaiser in 2002 but up until that point I did not know them, nor
ever met them before. Wayne and Janet Zaiser had moved out of the home
completely before we moved in.You believe that I am involved in HA. I
am not. Like you, I believe that gangs and criminals should be dealt
with according to the law. I am asking you to stop in your posts as
they are affecting my family. I am asking you this man to man. I have
seen from other posts that there are very disturbed people that want
to harm, if not kill you. I do not want my name nor my family to be
involved in this. You have posted numerous items with respect to my
personel information and misinformation and I want it stopped, now. I
cannot stress enough the importance of you understanding that a
mistake has been made. I am not asking for an apology, nor am I asking
you to cease in your postings about criminal activities. I simply need
you to understand that I have not ever been involved with, nor have
any desire to be involved with any criminal organization. I have
worked too long and have invested too much to throw it all away on
something that stupid. I am asking you again to stop with these
postings. During the last week I have had 4 people come into our store
looking for any information about you and your whereabouts. This I
believe has gone too far. If you continue with your postings against
both myself and my business, I will have no other options but to press
charges against you in order for you to stop. I can be reached at all
the numbers you have posted if you want to talk to me man to man. I
have no problems with that and hope that you will realize that I am
not who you have portrayed. With that, I wish you all the best and
hope we can put this behind us. Gordon Sauck Innovative
Audio604-594-9575 (o)604-594-9573
(f)www.iavscanada.comgords@iavscanada.com
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http://www.iavscanada.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=37 Mr Sauck has
put this on his website. The only reply to it has been negative.
This is a very difficult topic but I truly feel the time has come to
clear the air. When you 'Google' my name (Gordon Sauck), you will find
numerous postings referring to me as a 'criminal' and having ties to
HA (Hells Angels). The person posting these stories is named 'Greg
Carr'. I do not, nor have ever met Greg Carr. Mr. Carr is basing these
allegations solely on the premise that the home I purchased in 2002
was previously owned by someone Mr. Carr simply does not like. That's
it, that's my crime.
Every other allegation is simply fictional.
(Greg-Total lie.)
I do not own a motorcycle, nor even have a motorcycle license.
A criminal background check shows that I have held numerous Private
Investigators and Securities licenses but absolutely no convictions of
any crime whatsoever.
(Greg-Good for you but why wouldn't you post the criminal record
check? I admit to having a criminal record but I never have any
trouble being bonded and I am not a criminal. I tithe ten percent of
my income and donate blood.)
My home and vehicles have been vandalized twice during the first year
of owning my new home.
My name has NEVER been associated with HA until Mr. Carr's postings.
I am not 'retired'; my father however is and is also a Delta resident.
I was hired to compile a 'sports video' for Save-on-foods for a
fund-raising event hence my 'ties' to Orca Bay.
(Greg-Your old website made it seem like a lot more than that :-) The
record from Delta council gives the address of Gordon Sauck as 11477
Huff Blvd. which is your address.)
Yes I did do work for the Sundowner Pub. This included upgrading their
sound system and installing a few televisions.
(Greg-Your business is located right next to it.)
A few phone calls would also reveal that we do repairs for the Cheers
sound equipment for the past two years.
(Greg-Your Dad tries to get them closed down as an eyesore and yet
they do business with you. Go figure.)
I deal with Vintage Audio – not cell phones. If I could afford
'jamming' technology I would indeed be retired and living on a plush
island somewhere in the south.
The 'Goldenhawk' project is solely owned by Randy Pierce. We were
going to do some filming for a documentary on this project but due to
time constraints and store demands we have declined. It was an honor
however to be asked.
(Greg-The BUB-Lucky 7 is the fastest motorcycle in the world at 350
MPH. The Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusha is the fastest production bike at
194 MPH.)
It is true that I responded to one of Mr. Carr's missives a year or so
back but to no avail.
(Greg-I have posted the link to that reply above.)
As for the name 'SirBryxx'? I have used this name since MIRC days when
I, like others, used to hop on chat rooms. It was simply 'Bryxx' (a
name I got from a cleaning agent bottle) until someone decided that we
should all be 'knighted' during a night of merriment. Hence, the name.
As stated, my 'crime' here is simple; I bought a house to raise my
family.
My goal here is to simply clear the air and state the facts. Google –
the company, will not remove these postings unless 'subpoenaed'. For
this to happen will take an estimated $10 - $15,000 in legal fees.
Needless to say, this is simply not going to happen.
Mr. Carr, your facts are wrong and I simply wish for you to realize
that before something serious happens that I have tried to set the
record straight. I am not asking for an apology, nor am I asking for
you to censor your opinions, I am asking that you realize that
sometimes spreading the wrong information can cause serious harm and
hardship on people who simply want to raise a family and enjoy life
with friends and family.
(Greg-Be nice not to believe the HA angle but the coincidences stink
and your lying leaves you with little credibility. Bryce aka Bryxx is
a well known HA name. In fact a chapter president. John Bryce is the
chapter President of the East End Chapter and his son Jonathan Sal
Bryce is doing six yrs in prison. He is good at electronics since he
is an surveillance system installer and studied electronics at BCIT
http://groups.google.fm/group/bc.general/msg/3ee043acd81c7869.
Mr.Zaiser went to school at Churchill High which of course is in the
east end of Vancouver. A Google Web search and Alta Vista search of
Bryxx +"cleaner" and "cleaning" shows no responses that indicate the
product you claim to have created your nick from exists.)
I can be reached at any time to answer any questions with regards to
this.
I hope this can finally help clear the air.
The following is my sig file.:
We are awaiting the return of our JHVH in the flesh or his Son. His Son Yu'shua died on the cross for our sins, was resurrected and walked the earth for awhile then ascended unto Heaven. We await the Third Coming not the Second.
Scottish Quaker Robert Barclay-"The weighty Truths of God were neglected, and, as it were, went into Desuetude. ...
Who will be the last Coalition soldier to be maimed in Iraq?
Canadian troops out of Afghanistan and into Darfur.http://www.amnesty.ca/instantkarma/petition.php
Good luck to anyone trying to learn Hebrew. I am looking for a Hebrew-Gregorian calendar in both Hebrew and English lettering.
I am looking for my missing automobile. Left in the care of Low's Tire (Firestone) on King George Hwy which has since gone out of business. A man who claimed to be a tow truck driver named Jerry (sounded Black) called me and said he had it
but when I called him back he denied it. JVD-968 "89 Plymouth Reliant white with red interior. Devellis in lettering on the rear trunk. Contact me by email or the GRC if you are one of those ppl. Am looking for the address of Dave Reynolds and any info about him. He used to run Low's Tires and since he refuses to answer his email lowstire@telus.net I can only assume he is the person who stole my vehicle and the contents in it. I have talked to the new owners and they claim to know nothing.
3P3BK41D9KT921716 is the vin number. John Reynolds still has a valid email lowstire@telus.net but refuses to return my inquiries.Any info about this thief is appreciated.
I am also looking for various books and CD's that I have discovered missing. All are marked Greg Carr on the inside cover or somewhere in the CD booklet. $5 reward for each CD and for each book. Will pay $200 for info regarding how they disappeared because I honestly don't know.
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TOPIC: Pamela Anderson website is for adults (18+) only
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c5ac721062254ae0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 5:50 am
From: raji11051985@gmail.com
http://pamelaanderson2u.blogspot.com
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:13 am
From: Al Bundy
raji11051...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
Probably should say adults (70+) because that fossil is so loooong
in the tooth.
What next, an Oprah site? Barbara Wawa?
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TOPIC: How many here own food freezer?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/79858a8bd8f90308?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 6:31 am
From: "h"
"Bernardo Gui" <waile2155@mypacks.net> wrote in message > All you have to do
is look at it. Fresh meat and fish look very
> different from previously-frozen. Once you finally taste it, it is
> more than obvious.
>
Umm, no. Obviously you've never tasted properly frozen food, only freezer
burned food. There is no difference, and I've raised and slaughted my own
meat. Cooked, fresh meat tastes EXACTLY the same as frozen (thawed first),
cooked meat. Raw meat also tastes the same as thawed, previously-frozen
meat, although the texture is different.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 7:53 am
From: clams_casino
h wrote:
>"Bernardo Gui" <waile2155@mypacks.net> wrote in message > All you have to do
>is look at it. Fresh meat and fish look very
>
>
>>different from previously-frozen. Once you finally taste it, it is
>>more than obvious.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Umm, no. Obviously you've never tasted properly frozen food, only freezer
>burned food. There is no difference, and I've raised and slaughted my own
>meat. Cooked, fresh meat tastes EXACTLY the same as frozen (thawed first),
>cooked meat. Raw meat also tastes the same as thawed, previously-frozen
>meat, although the texture is different.
>
>
>
>
People also tell me Olive Garden tastes like authentic Italian and Red
Lobster seafood tastes like fresh.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:47 am
From: sarge137
On Jun 28, 2:44 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:49:58 -0700 (PDT), val189
>
> <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >I'll give you the reasons I DON"T have one and you can weigh these
> >'cons' also.
>
> >a. don't have the space for one
> >b. live very close to supermarket, so can shop often.
> >c. power outage would make me wish I didn't have one* (live in
> >hurricane territory)
> >d. I know I'd never rotate the food in and out at optimum times .
> >e. initial cost of freezer, of course.
> >f. I don't like the taste of some foods which have been frozen.
> >g. the freezer part of my fridge is adequate.
> >h. not feeding an army, so I doubt I'd save that much money by loading
> >up on bargains.
>
> I grew up in a family with a huge chest freezer and we did the
> 1960's-style grocery shopping once-a-month. When I grew up and
> experienced the joy of fresh food, I swore that I would never buy a
> freezer. Fortunately, I have multiple markets along my short commute
> route, so I can shop almost daily. My fridge-top freezer is mainly
> for ice, ice cream and those blue-ice packs.
>
> Often, never-frozen fish and meat is available at the market. It's a
> waste of money, if you don't eat that fresh.
>
> Variety is important to me, so it works out well for me to be able to
> buy what I have a taste for that night. Fresh food rocks.
>
> BG
I agree that there's a difference in quality between frozen and never
frozen food. But it's quite subtle, to me anyway, and IMO the
difference isn't worth the additional cost and inconvenience of
shopping that frequently.
Food processing has come a long way since the 60s. I to am a child of
that era, from a family with the same practice as yours. Frozen food
from that era was distinctly inferior to fresh. However, modern
techniques of flash freezing, vacuum packing, and processing the food
almost immediately at the place it's harvested make the differences
pretty insignificant.
Regards,
Sarge
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:49 am
From: sarge137
On Jun 30, 8:53 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> h wrote:
> >"Bernardo Gui" <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote in message > All you have to do
> >is look at it. Fresh meat and fish look very
>
> >>different from previously-frozen. Once you finally taste it, it is
> >>more than obvious.
>
> >Umm, no. Obviously you've never tasted properly frozen food, only freezer
> >burned food. There is no difference, and I've raised and slaughted my own
> >meat. Cooked, fresh meat tastes EXACTLY the same as frozen (thawed first),
> >cooked meat. Raw meat also tastes the same as thawed, previously-frozen
> >meat, although the texture is different.
>
> People also tell me Olive Garden tastes like authentic Italian and Red
> Lobster seafood tastes like fresh.
Not people who have ever had either.
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TOPIC: Donating blood
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/51be6adc7412e820?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 6:37 am
From: "h"
"Craig" <wpyr@invalid.us> wrote in message
news:CoV9k.162923$SV4.7770@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Greetings,
>
> I just donated pint #84 today. In addition to getting a free ticket to
> the top of the Flagstaff AZ's San Francisco Peaks on the ski lift this
> summer and being entered into a contest to win a car (plus the usual check
> to make sure I'm not anemic, I don't have HIV or any STD, etc.), I see
> that my blood bank also now measures donated blood for total cholesterol
> and will let me check my results online in a few days.
>
> Do we have any blood bank people around? I wonder if the total
> cholesterol measurement serves some purpose to the blood banking folks or
> if it's just a service being offered to the donor. Anyone know? From what
> I read, they'll send donors a notice by mail if their total cholesterol is
> 300+ while anything under 300 requires the donor to take the initiative to
> check the BB's web site to check--with a suggestion that donors check with
> their family doc if their test results are over 200.
>
> Craig
Worrying about cholesterol is a total croc. When I was a vegan my
cholesterol was over 350. At the time, I ate nothing on the list my doc gave
me to "cut out" of my diet. Once I went back to a sane diet of almost no
carbs and mostly protein and fat (virtually everything on the "cut out "
list), my cholesterol dropped to 165, with no other changes in lifestyle.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what my cholesterol level is and I have no
idea since I haven't seen a doctor since my 20s, some 30 years ago. Doctors
don't know anything.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 7:58 am
From: clams_casino
h wrote:
>
>Worrying about cholesterol is a total croc. When I was a vegan my
>cholesterol was over 350. At the time, I ate nothing on the list my doc gave
>me to "cut out" of my diet. Once I went back to a sane diet of almost no
>carbs and mostly protein and fat (virtually everything on the "cut out "
>list), my cholesterol dropped to 165, with no other changes in lifestyle.
>Frankly, I couldn't care less what my cholesterol level is and I have no
>idea since I haven't seen a doctor since my 20s, some 30 years ago. Doctors
>don't know anything.
>
>
>
>
Aren't you the same poster who claims he can't tell the difference
between frozen vs. fresh meat, seafood, etc?
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TOPIC: Hidden Benefits of Being Messy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c7aae62308efb9ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:19 am
From: Al Bundy
On Jun 29, 9:04 am, Steven Stone <xxspfl...@xxcitlink.net> wrote:
> My neighbor has not cleaned their house in 20 years.
> Outdoor light fixtures are broken and never replaced.
> The wood fence fell down and was left where it fell.
> Trees are growing on their raised deck.
> The windows are cloudy and never been cleaned.
> Weeds along the front of the house are as high as the roof line.
> The garage is packed to the walls and roof with shrapnel that can be
> seen from the garage door windows.
> Two dead cars in the driveway (down from 5 dead cars)
> an old mattress and stove are next to the house.
> garbage and dirty clothes fill up the hallways.
> The basement is choked with cardboard shipping boxes form the home
> shopping channel.
> Water runs thru the toilet 24 hours a day.. the float is broken.
>
> Here is an expert messy family.
I had a neighbor that used clutter as his security system. No thief
could find anything there. He had a van full of tools and junk. I know
there were some very valuable tools there, but they were so spread out
and hidden under junk that no vandal would be attracted. If he needed
a 17mm wrench he would borrow one from me. He knew he had one,
but......
Clutter is an indication of how one's mind works. It can be turned
into something positive by some people. As Bruce Williams said, "There
are people who can start a business and others who can keep it going.
They are often different people."
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TOPIC: eBay: BLUE LINE INNOVATIONS PowerCost Monitor for home electricty use
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c43f000f9d595510?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jun 30 2008 8:58 am
From: "www.Queensbridge.us"
On Jun 29, 10:54 am, Ted <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote:
> http://snipr.com/PowerCostMonitor
I bought some Kill A Watts via eBay with which I am very happy.
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