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* 90% of the evil/dumb laws passed in the Western world are voted upon by the
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TOPIC: Acer computer for $200 at WALMART
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/62a95b83acaa1d71?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 14 2011 2:07 pm
From: Forrest Hodge
On 7/14/2011 3:12 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Forrest Hodge wrote
>> aesthete8 wrote
>
>>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>
>> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card.
>
> Only gamers need anything like that. There are plenty of
> perfectly adequate $20 video cards around and those
> included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too.
>
>> One can't help but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made, underpowered POS.
>
> More fool you.
>
>
> Only gamers need anything like that.
Gamers will have more than a $200 a video card under the hood. The more
demanding games like Crysis 2 w/ the DX11 patch pretty much requires
multiple mid tier video cards to get a decent frame rate with the eye
candy turn on.
>There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around
The $20 video card won't be much better than integrated.
>and those included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too
Those aren't discrete cards chief, they are integrated onto the mobo or
in some cases the CPU itself.
> More fool you.
Perhaps my standards are bit higher than the typical user.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 3:07 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Forrest Hodge wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Forrest Hodge wrote
>>> aesthete8 wrote
>>>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>>> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card.
>> Only gamers need anything like that. There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around and those
>> included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too.
>>> One can't help but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made,
>>> underpowered POS.
>> More fool you.
>> Only gamers need anything like that.
> Gamers will have more than a $200 a video card under the hood.
Some do, some dont.
Hardly anyone else spends a cent on better video than what is on the motherboard.
> The more demanding games like Crysis 2 w/ the DX11 patch pretty much requires multiple mid tier video cards to get a
> decent frame rate with the eye candy turn on.
Pity about the less demanding.
>> There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around
> The $20 video card won't be much better than integrated.
Wrong, as always.
>> and those included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too
> Those aren't discrete cards chief,
Duh, indian.
> they are integrated onto the mobo or in some cases the CPU itself.
Pity that hardly anyone by gamers need anything better than that.
>> More fool you.
> Perhaps my standards are bit higher than the typical user.
Or you are a fool/ And the typical user will find that the
video in that $200 Asus is fine unless they are a gamer.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 3:22 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article
<5b80cf5e-eea3-486a-b165-4ff7f1e0521c@12g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com> wrote:
> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
You get what you pay for.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 8:41 am
From: "Bob F"
Forrest Hodge wrote:
> On 7/12/2011 8:29 PM, aesthete8 wrote:
>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>
> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card. One can't help but
> think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made, underpowered POS.
All you need to add is a keyboard, monitor, mouse, memory, and a hard drive.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 10:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Bob F wrote
> Forrest Hodge wrote
>> aesthete8 wrote
>>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card. One can't help
>> but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made, underpowered POS.
> All you need to add is a keyboard, monitor, mouse, memory, and a hard drive.
Or you already have those.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 11:45 am
From: Forrest Hodge
On 7/15/2011 6:07 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
> Forrest Hodge wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Forrest Hodge wrote
>>>> aesthete8 wrote
>
>>>>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>
>>>> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card.
>
>>> Only gamers need anything like that. There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around and those
>>> included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too.
>
>>>> One can't help but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made,
>>>> underpowered POS.
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>>> Only gamers need anything like that.
>
>> Gamers will have more than a $200 a video card under the hood.
>
> Some do, some dont.
More do than don't.
>
> Hardly anyone else spends a cent on better video than what is on the motherboard.
Doubtful. Nvidia took in over 3.2 billion USD last year alone.
>
>> The more demanding games like Crysis 2 w/ the DX11 patch pretty much requires multiple mid tier video cards to get a
>> decent frame rate with the eye candy turn on.
>
> Pity about the less demanding.
It's called progress. If it weren't for the more demanding gamings, we'd
still be playing pong.
>
>>> There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around
>
>> The $20 video card won't be much better than integrated.
>
> Wrong, as always.
Prove it. Show me a $20 video card that's offers significantly better
performance than modern integrated solutions.
>
>>> and those included with the motherboard that dont even cost that too
>
>> Those aren't discrete cards chief,
>
> Duh, indian.
>
>> they are integrated onto the mobo or in some cases the CPU itself.
>
> Pity that hardly anyone by gamers need anything better than that.
Ever try to play a 1080p video on even a 3 or 4 year old computer
sporting an Intel GMA?
>
>>> More fool you.
>
>> Perhaps my standards are bit higher than the typical user.
>
> Or you are a fool/ And the typical user will find that the
> video in that $200 Asus is fine unless they are a gamer.
Sure about that? The $200 Asus has a single core Intel Atom CPU, It will
struggle mightily with Windows 7. It comes with Linux but the typical
user probably won't want to deal with it.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 12:05 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <98bc30F4poU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob F wrote
> > Forrest Hodge wrote
> >> aesthete8 wrote
>
> >>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>
> >> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card. One can't help
> >> but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made, underpowered POS.
>
> > All you need to add is a keyboard, monitor, mouse, memory, and a hard drive.
>
> Or you already have those.
pity about those that don't
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 1:52 pm
From: Michael Black
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article <98bc30F4poU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob F wrote
>>> Forrest Hodge wrote
>>>> aesthete8 wrote
>>
>>>>> If anyone has tried that, what was your reaction?
>>
>>>> Seeing how $200 barely buys a mid-range video card. One can't help
>>>> but think the $200 computer will be a cheaply made, underpowered POS.
>>
>>> All you need to add is a keyboard, monitor, mouse, memory, and a hard drive.
>>
>> Or you already have those.
>
> pity about those that don't
>
Then perhaps it's the wrong choice.
Since the original poster didn't mention a specific model, it's really
hard to judge what he's talking about. But there is now a wave of small
computers that are really laptops without the screen. They serve a
specific purpose, and are presumably good for that purpose.
Some of them don't include hard drives, the intention being that you use
it with an external drive, one shared with another computer.
No, maybe these computers aren't the best choice, but at this point few
people don't have computer junk around. If they pull that desktop out of
the garbage, they still might need some of those things.
On the other hand, I've found plenty of mice and keyboards lying on the
sidewalk waiting for the garbage trucks. I pulled a 20gig hard drive out
of a computer lying on the sidewalk earlier in the month, and about a year
ago I found some sort of TV box lying on the sidewalk that I pulled a
320gig hard drive out of (ironically, it's a SATA drive and I've yet to
get to the point where I have a computer that has a SATA drive built in).
I found a nice 17" LCD monitor last spring when the students finished with
university, and I found a 19" LCD monitor this past spring, though that
one needs work, it works but has some flakiness to it.
Or, at this point many people do have LCD tv sets that have a VGA or even
better input that a computer can feed. That too is an interesting
tradeoff, more recent computers may not have VGA output while they will
have the fancier HDMI that an LCD tv set often has.
The point of being frugal isn't "buyin cheap" it's making informed
decisions. And yes, too many people end up spending money because they
can't be bothered spending time to learn how to fix that tap, or learn
what they really need in a computer so they listen to the "experts" who
tell them nothing less than a certain set of specs is "good enough".
Michael
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 7:23 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <ivq1t3$9qm$1@dont-email.me>, Forrest Hodge <fo19@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >>> There are plenty of perfectly adequate $20 video cards around
> >
> >> The $20 video card won't be much better than integrated.
> >
> > Wrong, as always.
>
> Prove it. Show me a $20 video card that's offers significantly better
> performance than modern integrated solutions.
asking rod for proof is like asking a skunk to sell perfume
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TOPIC: nabxgsv Visit Vicious Physician Michael E. Kan at His Home or Office
and Let Him Know, Palpably, What You Think!! sjnhbg
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 5:19 am
From: Nomen Nescio
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CONTACT INFORMATION:
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Office Address: 360 Dardanelli Lane, Los Gatos, Ca 95032
(408) 378-2900
Home Address: 863 Robin Lane, Campbell, Ca 95008 (OLD)
1785 East Main Avenue, Morgan Hill, Ca 95037-3213
(MOST RECENT)
(408) 379-0179 (408) 379-5779
John M. Rashkis:
Office Address: 485 Monterey Avenue, Los Gatos, CA
(408) 354-9200 FAX: (408)395-5487
Home Address: 150 Old Adobe Way, Los Gatos, CA 95032
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These two physicians are reptiles, reptiles of quite low character
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 12:37 pm
From: Lubow
On Jul 15, 8:19 am, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
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> DO NOT PATRONIZE psychopathic physician
Any reason your pile of bullshit needs to be posted in
misc.invest.stocks?
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TOPIC: getting 3x faster internet for same price
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 1:00 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 07/14/11 06:52, Bob F wrote:
> Ohioguy wrote:
>> My Dad is moving to the area, and asked me to look into high speed
>> internet for him. About 8 months ago, I had signed up for "cable
>> internet light" through Earthlink. (which uses Time Warner) At the
>> time, that was the best deal around here - a rural area - for $29.95.
>> It gives me 0.7 megabits per second. Previously I was on dialup, so
>> it seemed fast.
>>
>> However, when I looked a couple of days ago, I saw that the
>> Earthlink prices had been upped a few dollars for new signups, so I
>> went to look at the Time Warner cable internet pages directly. Interestingly,
>> I saw that they offered the same thing I currently
>> have for $19.95 a month for 12 months. They also had 2 megabits per
>> second, around 3x my current speed, for the same $29.95 a month I'm
>> currently paying - also for 12 months.
>>
>> I can't seem to find anything about what their regular prices are,
>> what they might jump up to after 12 months, or if this just means the
>> price is guaranteed at that level for 12 months, with no increases.
>>
>> Can anyone shed any light on this? I am wondering if it might be
>> worth it for me to cancel for 3 weeks, then sign up again for a year
>> with the 3x faster speed.
>>
>
> Try calling them and asking if they are offering any special prices currently.
> That has worked for me with my cable company. They usually will offer some
> special 6-12 month deal. Occasionally, I have to try again in a few weeks to get
> a deal. It could help to have a better alternative you could go to to leverage
> them.
Tell them, nicely of course, that in these trying times you really can't
afford more than you're already paying and will have to find a cheaper
alternative... They will offer you your current rate "as a special
discount" for a year. Next year repeat the routine.
--
Cheers, Bev
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"Only wimps use tape backup; *real* men just upload their
important stuff on FTP, and let the rest of the world
mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 3:16 pm
From: sf
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:02:35 -0400, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
> Can anyone shed any light on this? I am wondering if it might be
> worth it for me to cancel for 3 weeks, then sign up again for a year
> with the 3x faster speed.
Call Time Warner and ask about their rates now, don't cancel and wait.
Go with the special and when it's over, ask about other specials.
Sometimes you can lower your rate by adding services, like HBO.
We saved a bundle on a recent cruise. It was a great deal through the
cruise line, then my husband found a better deal through an online
travel agency. They transferred the room we'd already reserved, we
got the better price plus an earlybird discount and free travel
insurance. It doesn't hurt to ask, the worst they will say is "no".
We had a minor billing issue with our cable provider a few months ago.
It was settled with one phone call. My husband called them the
following day to confirm what had been agreed to... and when he got
off the phone, our account had a $600 credit. I listened to the
conversation on my end, there was no complaining, arguing, or voice
raising and we ended up with a big credit that we didn't turn down.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 4:20 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:02:35 -0400, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:
>
> I can't seem to find anything about what their regular prices are,
>what they might jump up to after 12 months, or if this just means the
>price is guaranteed at that level for 12 months, with no increases.
>
> Can anyone shed any light on this?
Sher.... call 'em and ask.
It worked with my cable company. Why not?
--
We are becoming a country that believes the rich have earned their money but the well educated have not
earned their intellectual superiority. This leads to a nation that idolizes Kardashians.
Joel Stein, TIME, 8/23/10
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 3:22 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Jul 15, 12:29 pm, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
> In article
> <e97ff1a8-2ec0-49af-a319-e29c6a148...@x12g2000yql.googlegroups.com>,
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
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> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jun 14, 2:28 pm, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <5fdde83a-5ff4-4da6-87d2-7350dddf2...@p13g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jun 7, 1:09 am, Billy <Wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <0bfe99eb-f27b-42ad-be8b-f0ac1de25...@n11g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > > > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> > > > > > > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > (We are talking about the new laws restricting marijuana in
> > > > > > > > Holland.
> > > > > > > > The title above is just my "humble opinion," not something
> > > > > > > > statistically accurate. I think most statistics are inaccurate or
> > > > > > > > manipulated anyway, starting with the one that declares 90% of
> > > > > > > > Americans to be "religious")
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 5, 12:55 pm, "Brave Burger" <b...@veburg.er> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Right wing party makes sure to restrict free trade and
> > > > > > > > > > promote
> > > > > > > > > > health.
> > > > > > > > > > I wonder if junk food is fought with the same intensity. Down
> > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > McDonald's!
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> > > > > > > > > Actually, getting up too early causes the same problems as
> > > > > > > > > smoking
> > > > > > > > > (well, except for the longue problems) and I never saw a law
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > prevented
> > > > > > > > > me from gettting u[ early because i had to go to work.
>
> > > > > > > > > > "Backed by the far-right party of anti-immigrant politician
> > > > > > > > > > Geert
> > > > > > > > > > Wilders, the coalition government that came into power last
> > > > > > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > > > announced plans to curb drug tourism as part of a nationwide
> > > > > > > > > > program
> > > > > > > > > > to promote health and fight crime."
>
> > > > > > > > > Well it is more a clampdown on freedoms. And religious nutters
> > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > want you to get only high on Jesus etc.
> > > > > > > > > His plan is a club system where you have to a member and you
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > only be a member if you are Dutch, so foreign tourists don`t
> > > > > > > > > smoke
> > > > > > > > > somthing
> > > > > > > > > tat is illegal in their country, and it is implemented with a
> > > > > > > > > pass
> > > > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > > > And now
> > > > > > > > > he wants that these clubs have no more then 1500 members, which
> > > > > > > > > isn`t
> > > > > > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > to life of, unless they are stoned all day.
> > > > > > > > > So clubholders only want heavy smokers then ;o)
>
> > > > > > > > > Tjhe thing is that I se no such thing on bars, where muslim
> > > > > > > > > people
> > > > > > > > > sometimes sneakely drink some alcohol when they visit us.
> > > > > > > > > And in some muslim countries alcohol is an illegal substance.
> > > > > > > > > So we need a pass system for bars too. ;o)
>
> > > > > > > > It is my contention that 90% of the evil/dumb laws passed in the
> > > > > > > > Western world are voted upon by the Christian/elderly segment of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > population.
>
> > > > > > > > Why they get away with such privilege is beyond my wisdom.
>
> Religion evokes duty, and the old have a historical perspective. No
> privilege involved. If you are an adult, informed or not, you can vote.
They have bred a sheep that votes but who does so to feed the wolves.
A democracy based on ignorant voters amounts to a tyranny of the
idiots or IDIOCRACY....
"prophetic film. 5 years later, people are really more idiotic"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yQunhOaU0
How could they "buy" a war that didn't cost them a penny? That's dumb,
huh? And now reality and BS are in conflict. Moreover, anything good
for the country, from fast trains to bike lanes, is evil or at least
socialist.
They have a single-minded statement: NO MORE TAXES. Sure, the country
is nearly bankrupt.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 15 2011 4:33 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Jul 15, 8:19 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 8:59 pm, "T°m Sherm@n" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
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> $southslope.net"> wrote:
> > On 7/14/2011 5:40 PM, Peter Cole wrote:
>
> > > On 7/14/2011 1:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 13, 9:34 am, Peter Cole <peter_c...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >>>> [...]
> > >>>> Good news that segregating bike traffic helps, though.
>
> > >>> No, it doesn't work. Holland and Denmark are a complete failure. The
> > >>> success stories are to be found somewhere in Florida and Texas.
>
> > >> Texas is a roughly $1.5 trillion dollar economy.
> > >> Denmark turns over roughly US$300 billion.
>
> > >> This is not news. Here are a couple of easily found links
> > >>http://www.tradingeconomics.com/denmark/gdp
> > >>http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/01/us_equivalents
>
> > > I don't know where all this is going. The only point I was trying to
> > > make is that it seems to be becoming more obvious that cycling in close
> > > proximity to MV exhaust isn't good for you and even small separation can
> > > be helpful -- something my nose told me long ago.
>
> > > I don't know what the 5x GDP of Texas vs. Denmark proves, when Texas has
> > > 5x the population, too.
>
> > But Texas has way more than 5 times the criminals (both white and blue
> > collar), religious nuts, ignoramuses, SUVs, sociopathic crony
> > capitalists, and other undesirables compared to Denmark. Also more than
> > 5 times the population of homeless, untreated ill, chronically hungry,
> > and exploited low wage workers.
>
> > The laws regarding victimless crimes are much more sensible in Denmark
> > than Texas, due to the population being aware of The Enlightenment,
> > rather than the socially regressive nature of Texas.
>
> > Anders Fogh Rasmussen is pretty far right-wing by Danish standards, but
> > a far cry from the brutality and ignorance of Shrub Bush and Good-hair
> > Perry (not to mention the criminality of the former).
>
> > Denmark has the much superior climate 9 months out of the year. And one
> > of the best names for a bicycle manufacturer:
> > <http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/>.
>
> > --
> > Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731°N, 83.985007°W
> > I am a vehicular cyclist.
>
> But, but, but....Texas is the most macho, tough, god fearing state in
> the good ol' USA. Plus we have the handsomest, toughest, most macho,
> most religious , and soon to be president of the USA, Rick Perry. He
> is on a mission from god to become president so that he can minister
> to us, or so he claims. No more black communist foreigners and
> feminazis in the whitehouse. Do I have to remind u that GHB, BWB and
> Alberto Gonzalez are all from TX?
>
> Texas is also so macho that it is one of the least educated states in
> the nation, and it has cut pretty much all educational and social
> services for the state in the last budget session, despite having some
> of the richest and most powerful corporations in the WORLD. NOw, that
> is really, really macho!
>
> Finally, we got CHALO, and this makes us the bestest of the best.
"The Middle Class is what has distinguished this country from the rest
of the world for hundreds of years. Not Freedom. The Brits have more
freedom than we do and did almost from the time we were breaking fee
from Great Britain. The French have real, total freedom as do the
Swedes and Danes and Dutch and Germans and Swiss….far more freedom
than we have. What we have is more geography, more space. Germany is
the size of New York State. You could put all of Eastern and Western
Europe east of the Rocky Mountains with room to spare."
Regrettably, this much space has not translated into more space for
bicycles...
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