Frugal Living: Feb 2, 2008

Saturday, February 2, 2008

22 new messages in 9 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Why did Google let their newsgroup rot?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/873c63da5f9a1d75?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 1:10 pm
From: George Grapman

Siskuwihane wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:15 am, remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
>> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
>> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
>> conversation at all.
>>
>> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
>> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>>
>> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
>> truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>
> Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
> Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
> and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?

If they cared they would deal with complaint regardless of how the
access groups.
For several moths last year the google groups search junction was
either completely down or missing many posts. Every so often a google
person would drop into the help forums to either say they could not find
a problem or that it had been resolved.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 1:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

remod2006@gmail.com wrote:

> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's happened
> to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the NewsGroups founder.

Google has never been very relevant to newsgroups, except at the edges.

And it has attracted a number of people to newsgroups
who would otherwise never have even heard of them too.

> They're full of gross spam now, hardly any conversation at all.

Thats a gross exaggeration of newsgroups.

> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.

Newsgroups were always going to fade into obscurity,
and that would have happened even without the spam.

> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA.

Nope, there wont be any hard times coming up in the USA.

> I'm truly sorry to see it in tatters.

Its completely trivial to eliminate almost all the spam by just filtering out all posts from google.

Corse you will also lose plenty who would never have become aware of newsgroups without google too.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Siskuwihane <Siskuwihane@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 9:15 am, remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
>> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
>> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
>> conversation at all.
>>
>> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
>> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>>
>> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA.
>> I'm truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>
> Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
> Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam
> posts and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?

Nope, they just auto flush crap like that where it belongs.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:18 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Feb 1, 4:04 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
> > Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
> > Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
> > and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?
>
> What makes you think that Google reads their inbox or that
> they will ever take action?

I don't think that, that's why I ended with a question mark instead of
begining with "may I suggest".

>I think a class action lawsuit
> is much more likely to get them to do something.

Let us know how you make out.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:47 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 1, 1:04 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Siskuwihane wrote:
> > Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
> > Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
> > and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?
>
> What makes you think that Google reads their inbox or that
> they will ever take action? I think a class action lawsuit
> is much more likely to get them to do something.
>
> Anthony

Class action lawsuit for something they provide for "free"? not likely
to go far.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 2:50 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 1, 1:59 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's happened
> > to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the NewsGroups founder.
>
> Google has never been very relevant to newsgroups, except at the edges.
>
> And it has attracted a number of people to newsgroups
> who would otherwise never have even heard of them too.
>
> > They're full of gross spam now, hardly any conversation at all.
>
> Thats a gross exaggeration of newsgroups.
>
> > Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> > apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> Newsgroups were always going to fade into obscurity,
> and that would have happened even without the spam.
>
> > Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA.
>
> Nope, there wont be any hard times coming up in the USA.
>
> > I'm truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>
> Its completely trivial to eliminate almost all the spam by just filtering out all posts from google.
>
> Corse you will also lose plenty who would never have become aware of newsgroups without google too.

It wasn't the spam that was causing Usenet to become less relevant.
It's all those fancy sites where anyone who wants to can create a
"message board". Still not clear why some newsgroups are chock full
of spam while others have hardly any at all.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:14 pm
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:04 pm, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Siskuwihane wrote:
>>> Would it help if all posters access this and other groups through
>>> Google and use the "report this message" feature on the spam posts
>>> and flood Googles inboxes daily until they take action?
>> What makes you think that Google reads their inbox or that
>> they will ever take action? I think a class action lawsuit
>> is much more likely to get them to do something.
>>
>> Anthony
>
> Class action lawsuit for something they provide for "free"? not likely
> to go far.
I can tell you without even looking that the google terms of service
absolve them of any liability .
In addition you have to establish that you were harmed in some way.
Obviously missing posts did not cause anyone financial damage and if it
caused emotional distress they need the type of help that courts do not
offer.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:28 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 1:59 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> remod2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe
>>> what's happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
>>> NewsGroups founder.
>>
>> Google has never been very relevant to newsgroups, except at the
>> edges.
>>
>> And it has attracted a number of people to newsgroups
>> who would otherwise never have even heard of them too.
>>
>>> They're full of gross spam now, hardly any conversation at all.
>>
>> Thats a gross exaggeration of newsgroups.
>>
>>> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
>>> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>>
>> Newsgroups were always going to fade into obscurity,
>> and that would have happened even without the spam.
>>
>>> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA.
>>
>> Nope, there wont be any hard times coming up in the USA.
>>
>>> I'm truly sorry to see it in tatters.
>>
>> Its completely trivial to eliminate almost all the spam by just
>> filtering out all posts from google.
>>
>> Corse you will also lose plenty who would never have become aware of
>> newsgroups without google too.

> It wasn't the spam that was causing Usenet to become less relevant.

Correct.

> It's all those fancy sites where anyone who wants to can create a "message board".

Nope, the main problem usenet had was that hardly anyone knew anything about it.

If anything google did help with that a little.

> Still not clear why some newsgroups are chock
> full of spam while others have hardly any at all.

Presumably the spammers decide that the prospects in some are much better than in others.

They have never been anything like rocket scientist material.

Most of them cant even manage to learn enough english to make their spam even readable.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 5:24 pm
From: "Lou"

<remod2006@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4e0b98f-66b6-4767-9375-a245b55ac372@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while. I can't believe what's
> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
> conversation at all.
>
> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
> truly sorry to see it in tatters.

Since when did newsgroups "belong" to Google? They never have and they
don't now. The idea that Google or anyone else should or even could be a
general gatekeeper is ludicrous.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 7:54 pm
From: Jeff

remod2006@gmail.com wrote:
> I haven't been in the newsgroups a long while.

Well that certainly shows!

I can't believe what's
> happened to this feature of the Internet. Google has let the
> NewsGroups founder. They're full of gross spam now, hardly any
> conversation at all.
>
> Someone should hold a funeral for a resource which has been,
> apparently, ruined forever. There's no recovery from what I see.
>
> Misc.frugal will be missed in the hard times coming up in the USA. I'm
> truly sorry to see it in tatters.

Well, you should know by now that Google is just a poor shell for
accessing usenet.

It would be of benefit to you if you accessed usenet using either your
mail client or a news reader with a direct connection to a usenet
server. Spam filtering is done by the news server, and a well run server
will have much less SPAM than one that doesn't care. And you wouldn't
make such stupid remarks about usenet being part of Google.

Jeff
>

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 11:28 pm
From: Logan Shaw

I doubt if it would. Personally, my own analysis of Google and
newsgroups is the following:

1. They bought DejaNews and their Usenet archive because they
wanted to be the central place for searching the Internet,
and they regarded Usenet as not as important as the web,
but still a key part of the Internet. Therefore, they need
to provide search for it to fill out the spectrum of things
they offer.

2. They also collected Usenet archives from various private
sources and put together the most complete Usenet archive
that existed at the time, merely because they had the resources
to do it. I think in some sense they did it because they felt
that as a leading company, they have some obligation to provide
such a service. In other words, they were trying to give back
to the community (the Internet community).

3. Yet despite both of the above, they don't quite know what to
do with Usenet. This is the same problem that DejaNews
encountered. Most of the interest with Usenet is the current
threads going on, which you can get straight from your ISP,
and even if you can't you, have to know you want Usenet to
even bother (or prefer it over web forums). So anyone who
wants to grow the number of users that hit their site, if
their site is a Usenet gateway, has a LOT of work cut for
for them.

4. Because of #3, while they haven't dropped it, they haven't
put a lot of effort into it either. Google has one of the
most amazing brain trusts going these days, and if they
wanted to solve these problems, they probably could find
a way. I don't use my gmail account much, but Google's
gmail spam filtering is supposed to be top notch. Surely
they, with all their Ph.D.s, could figure out something
similar to prevent their Usenet gateway from flooding
newsgroups with crud, if they wanted to. But they're just
stuck at sort of a point of stability where they aren't
going to drop Usenet but they aren't going to invest any
significant effort into it either.

So, what's it going to take to get them to take action? They
need to feel, for some reason, that it's a priority. That motivation
would probably have to come from one of two places: either they
have to suddenly think Usenet is more important to them strategically,
which as I said before is tough to do since generating interest in
Usenet was always a problem for DejaNews and is also a problem for
Google, or alternatively Google needs to feel that they are in some
sense morally obligated to do something about it. That second way
is actually a possibility, I believe, at a company like Google,
but you have to get the ear of the right person. And you're not
going to do that with an e-mail campaign, probably. (You probably
have to know somebody -- the right somebody.)

- Logan

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TOPIC: SDTV with no audio out with home theater work? Please indulge me
another dumb question OK?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/200ca6278f0f6694?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 1:45 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Very tight budget here...

If I buy this SDTV will it work with a cheap home
theater system. If you read the reviews it was
mentioned that it has no audio out so cant work with
home theater system

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5633689

But if I buy this SD DVD recorder that has built in
atsc tuner.... can I hook the cheap home theater system
up to IT and get some decent sound?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5663208

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 4:04 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 1, 1:45 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Very tight budget here...
>
> If I buy this SDTV will it work with a cheap home
> theater system. If you read the reviews it was
> mentioned that it has no audio out so cant work with
> home theater system
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5633689
>
> But if I buy this SD DVD recorder that has built in
> atsc tuner.... can I hook the cheap home theater system
> up to IT and get some decent sound?
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5663208

Ummm...it has: A/V Outputs: Yes
So yes, a cheap Home Theater thing will work with it. Not sure where
they got that it has no "audio out" since it does? This is sort of
what I have now myself. Paid something like $119 for an AIWA 5
speaker home entertainment system a few years ago; works just fine.
But I route the cable to the VCR/DVR and then out to the TV. The
audio is routed from the VCR/DVR to the theater system (though I also
have the S-Video hooked up).

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TOPIC: When a company cancels your order & raises the price
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/840e71b8e7fddebe?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 1:53 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

> Anyway, I'm guessing I'm out of luck, but am wondering if there are better
> ways to get a company to honor prices when they sell something to you,
> cancel the sale, then they have the same items in stock at higher prices.

Apparently there is some fineprint that allows them to do that. If you
search on the Web, you will find many instances like this.

Technically, it is quite difficult (probably impossible) to track
every order against inventory. This is mainly because nobody can tell
how long a customer keeps the item in the cart before really checking
out. If they "lock" every item because someone has put it in a cart,
they can'd do much business. First checkout, first served.

Don't get me wrong; I am not taking their side. I know how you feel;
it has happened to me also.

Regarding buying cheap DVD RW discs (at a dollar store), I would
suggest caution. I have learnt recently that DVD media life is very
limited (due to the organic dye they use for data storage) and it is
less than a couple of years for cheap ones. There are many articles on
the Web about this. If your use is data backup and if you perform
backup frequently, then cheap DVDs may be OK.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:36 pm
From: "SpammersDie"

<skarkada@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c6cd7e9e-2b32-4760-bab4-d0ff3fd34f1b@b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Anyway, I'm guessing I'm out of luck, but am wondering if there are
>> better
>> ways to get a company to honor prices when they sell something to you,
>> cancel the sale, then they have the same items in stock at higher prices.
>
> Apparently there is some fineprint that allows them to do that. If you
> search on the Web, you will find many instances like this.
>
> Technically, it is quite difficult (probably impossible) to track
> every order against inventory. This is mainly because nobody can tell
> how long a customer keeps the item in the cart before really checking
> out. If they "lock" every item because someone has put it in a cart,
> they can'd do much business. First checkout, first served.

The way I read the OP, the vendor cancelled after checkout had successfully
completed. So this isn't any excuse.

And I don't buy that it's so hard to come up with a reasonable
timeout/abandonment-detection policy either so there's no excuse not to lock
items placed in a shopping cart. B&M retailers have coped easily with this
for years - people expect that other shoppers won't swipe items out of their
shopping carts even while they also know they can't abandon a cart full of
stuff for hours and expect it to still be there.

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TOPIC: Submissions are Open! 75 authors sign contracts this week!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 3:09 pm
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TOPIC: Something to ponder...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cb8f71308408c6b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 4:51 pm
From: "Lou"

<rhall111@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:05b77779-3fa9-48b7-8664-3f0208262ba9@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 31, 5:11 am, maryatbe...@webtv.net (Mary Mathews) wrote:
> > I recently had minimal invasive spine surgery. I remember someone at the
> > hospital asking me if I had a 'living will' which I do. I was told to
> > bring it to the hospital. I know that some people have their 'living
> > wills' filed at the hospital. I don't feel comfortable with that. I
> > leave mine at home, in the safe, where any one of my sons can get it and
> > take it to the hospital, hopefully after a second opinion, if the time
> > arises.
> >
> > I just wonder what your thoughts are on this issue. Thanks. Mary
>
> So make a few copies. File one at the hospital.

You make it sound so simple - maybe it is wherever you are, but my wife and
I went through this about three years ago with my mother-in-law, and it sure
wasn't. My mother-in-law had a living will, my wife had the medical power
of attorney, and every time her mother went into the hospital, she had to go
through the whole rigmarole. Sometimes we'd have to pull out the documents
when we were visiting her mother in the hospital and go through them with
whoever was in charge at the nurses station on that floor that evening.

I'm not saying that I think there was willful neglect or any intention of
ignoring my mother-in-law's wishes on the part of her doctors or the
hospital staff, but there are times when things just get lost in the
bureaucratic shuffle. Filing a copy at "the" local hospital strikes me as
likely to do as much good as tossing a copy in the trash.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 1 2008 5:15 pm
From: "Lou"

"Mary Mathews" <maryatbeach@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:290-47A30404-894@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>
> Lou, I have all the legal stuff, and at least one of my 3 sons will
> always be with me in serious situations. I just prefer that the control
> remain with my family, whom I trust completely. I would like to think
> that there would be a second opinion, and that my life would not be cut
> short to harvest organs that I willingly donate. Perhaps I read too
> much. Mary

I don't know if you're reading too much or you're reading the wrong stuff.
In NJ, if your wishes are made clear then they must be respected. Any
problem with this is more likely to be a physician's or hospital's
unwillingness to withhold certain treatments than it is to be murdered for
the sake of any usable organs that could be obtained from your corpse. And
I somewhat doubt that anyone willing to commit such an atrocity would be
deterred by a piece of paper.

A doctor who refuses to withhold or withdraw life support because of his/her
beliefs is supposed to make that clear and transfer the patient to a
physician who is willing to comply with your wishes. Similarly,
religious-affiliated institutions my adopt policies at odds with your
wishes, and such institutions must explain this at the earliest opportunity
and make arrangements to transfer and accommodate you at another facility.

Again, in NJ the usual advanced directive requires your physician and at
least one other doctor who has personally examined to agree that you're
condition is such that the provisions of your directive apply (in other
words, there's a second opinion).

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