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TOPIC: Beginning of the End of the World!! (May 21, 2011)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2011 10:43 pm
From: "WLJ"
THE END OF THE WORLD IS ALMOST HERE!
HOLY GOD WILL BRING JUDGMENT DAY ON
MAY 21, 2011
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JUDGMENT DAY is feared by the world and is the day that God will destroy the world because of the sins of mankind. The world is correct in believing that Judgment Day will come. The Bible gives us the correct and accurate information about that Day.
The Bible is the Holy Book written by Holy God who is the Creator of this beautiful world. The Holy Bible is without question a very ancient book, having been completed about 1,900 years ago. In its original languages (mostly Hebrew and Greek) it has never been changed, and each and every word in the original languages is from the mouth of God. The Bible is divided into two parts (the Old Testament and the New Testament), with each part divided into many books. Each book is divided into chapters, and each chapter is divided into verses. One of the books is named Second Timothy (2 Timothy). In Chapter 3, verse 16 (2 Timothy 3:16) of this book Holy God tells us:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
In Jeremiah 36:1-4 God gives an example of how the Bible was written:
And it came to pass in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that this word came unto Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day. It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin. Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which He had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book [the roll of the book is the Bible].
Holy God is far, far greater than our human minds can even begin to explain or understand. In Genesis 1:1 God declares:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth
The Holy Bible is a book written to us so that we can know that Holy God created this beautiful universe, including all of its plants and animals, birds and sea creatures, and mankind who was created to rule this earth. Indeed there is no being of any kind that can compare with Holy God, who simply by speaking brought every kind of plant, animal, sea creature, and mankind, sun, stars, etc., into existence. For example, Holy God tells us in His Holy Bible in Genesis 1:24-26:
And God said, let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The people of the earth, which we call mankind, were created to rule over this earth. God gave laws by which we can live as happily and wisely as possible. He warns, however, that the breaking of those laws is sin, and sin will bring punishment from God. The Bible declares in Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death..
The Bible teaches there is only one God. The Bible says in Deuteronomy 4:39:
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Because God is so great and glorious He calls Himself by many different names. Each name tells us something about the glorious character and nature of God. Thus in the Bible we find such names as God, Jehovah, Christ, Jesus, Lord, Allah, Holy Spirit, Savior, etc. Names such as Jehovah, Jesus, Savior, and Christ particularly point to God as the only means by which forgiveness from all of our sins and eternal life can be obtained by God's merciful and glorious actions. For more information on this subject, you may request a free copy of I Hope God Will Save Me.
Many books have been written about the Bible, or are regarded as additions to the Bible, like the Koran or the Book of Mormon. But however old or prestigious or well- accepted as a holy book they may be, no book other than the Bible is written by God Himself, and is Holy as the Bible is Holy. God warns in Revelation 22:18:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.
The word "plagues" in this verse refers to the punishment of death and destruction that will come upon all those who sin. The Bible teaches that even though God loves this world, which He in His infinite wisdom created, the law of God requires that those who sin must be punished by death. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18:20: The soul that sinneth, it shall die. In Romans 3:10 the Bible declares: There is none righteous [has not sinned], no, not one.
God must also obey His law and therefore, since all the people of the world are sinners, He finally must destroy the world. It is evident that sin in the world has become very great. The Bible warns in Jeremiah 25:33:
And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.
However, the Holy Bible tells us that Holy God is a God of great mercy, compassion and love. That is why He has given us in advance of the destruction the exact time of the Day of Judgment. The Bible tells us in Amos 3:7:
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but He revealeth his secret unto His servants the prophets.
Consequently we now can know from the Bible the exact time and many details of God's destruction plan that is to come upon the whole world.
While there is still time we can very humbly cry to God for His gracious mercy. Maybe, since God is such a merciful God, He might forgive someone who is humbly pleading with God for mercy. God promises for example in Zephaniah 2:3:
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.
Holy God demonstrates for us that He is completely able to bring destruction on this whole world because of sin. The Holy Bible informs us of this awesome fact in Genesis 6:12-13:
And God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
By careful study of the Bible we learn that in the year 4990 B.C. (Before Christ) God brought a flood of water and destroyed the entire earth except for eight people and the animals that were with them. They were not destroyed because God brought them into the safety of the ark. Their leader, Noah, had obeyed God's command to build a huge boat, called an ark, about 450 feet (137 meters) long.
The Holy Bible tells us in Hebrews 11:7:
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
Seven days before the beginning of the Flood that completely covered the entire earth, God commanded Noah to warn the peoples of the world that they had seven days to get into the safety of the ark. The Holy Bible tells us that on the 17th day of the 2nd month of that year God shut the door of the ark. Then, the Flood began to completely cover the entire earth.
About 5,000 years later God wrote in His Holy Bible in 2 Peter Chapter 3 about this worldwide destruction by water in the days of Noah. In the same chapter He also warned that the time would come when Holy God would destroy the whole world by fire. Our entire universe would be forever destroyed. In between these two declarations of worldwide destruction that would come because of sin God made a very important statement. God declared in 2 Peter 3:8:
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
God had written in the Holy Bible in Genesis 7:4:
For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.
God added in Genesis 7:10-11:
And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the Flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
The ark that Noah had built was the only place of safety from the destruction of the Flood. Likewise, God's gracious mercy is the only place of safety from the destruction that is coming on the Day of Judgment.
In 2 Peter 3:8, which is quoted above, Holy God reminds us that one day is as 1,000 years. Therefore, with the correct understanding that the seven days referred to in Genesis 7:4 can be understood as 7,000 years, we learn that when God told Noah there were seven days to escape worldwide destruction, He was also telling the world there would be exactly 7,000 years (one day is as 1,000 years) to escape the wrath of God that would come when He destroys the world on Judgment Day. Because Holy Infinite God is all-knowing, He knows the end from the beginning. He knew how sinful the world would become.
Seven thousand years after 4990 B.C. (the year of the Flood) is the year 2011 A.D. (our calendar).
4990 + 2011 - 1 = 7,000
[One year must be subtracted in going from an Old Testament B.C. calendar date to a New Testament A.D. calendar date because the calendar does not have a year zero.]
Thus Holy God is showing us by the words of 2 Peter 3:8 that He wants us to know that exactly 7,000 years after He destroyed the world with water in Noah's day, He plans to destroy the entire world forever. Because the year 2011 A.D. is exactly 7,000 years after 4990 B.C. when the flood began, the Bible has given us absolute proof that the year 2011 is the end of the world during the Day of Judgment, which will come on the last day of the Day of Judgment.
Amazingly, May 21, 2011 is the 17th day of the 2nd month of the Biblical calendar of our day. Remember, the flood waters also began on the 17th day of the 2nd month, in the year 4990 B.C.
The Holy Bible gives several additional astounding proofs that May 21, 2011 is very accurate as the time for the Day of Judgment. For more information on this subject, you may request a copy of We Are Almost There, available free of charge from Family Radio.
God is proving to us that we have very accurately learned from the Holy Bible God's time-plan for the end of the world.
GOD'S SUBLIME MERCY AND COMPASSION
God in His Holy Bible has given us a beautiful example of His compassionate mercy. Included in the Holy Bible is the book called Jonah. In it God tells of a very wicked city with a population of more than 120,000 people that existed about 2,800 years ago. It was called Nineveh, which was a capital city of the nation of Assyria that knew nothing of the Bible. But because of its wickedness and because Holy God is merciful, He sent a prophet named Jonah to that city. Jonah's message from God to them was that in 40 days the whole city was to be destroyed.
The whole city correctly believed with all their hearts that this warning was from Holy God. Thus from the king on down to the lowest servant they repented, which means they turned away from their sins and their pride. The Holy Bible tells us that they sat in sackcloth and ashes. This meant that they fully realized that because of their sins they had dreadfully shamed God. To put on sackcloth and ashes was an act of supreme humility to show in the clearest way to God and to all of the people how greatly they were humbled by their sins against Holy God. It showed that they knew that they fully deserved that God should destroy them because of their sin.
But maybe, there was hope that Holy God might change His mind and instead have mercy on them. The Bible tells us in Jonah 3:6-9:
For the word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
In answer to their complete humility we read of God's fabulous, incomprehensible mercy toward these extremely wicked people. God tells us in Jonah 3:10:
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that He had said that He would do unto them; and He did it not.
Because this entire wicked city of Nineveh turned from their evil ways and with great humility cried to God for mercy, Holy God did change His mind and did not destroy them.
Sadly, the Holy Bible tells us that only a small percentage of today's world will turn from their evil ways, and with great humility and fear will cry to God for mercy. Nevertheless, the Bible assures us that many of the people who do beg God for His mercy will not be destroyed. We learn from the Bible that Holy God plans to rescue about 200 million people (that is about 3% of today's population). On the first day of the Day of Judgment (May 21, 2011) they will be caught up (raptured) into Heaven because God had great mercy for them. This is why we can be so thankful that God has given us advance notice of Judgment Day. Because God is so merciful, maybe He will have mercy on you. The Holy Bible says in Psalm 51:17:
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
And in Psalm 51:1-3 Holy God shows us the attitude we ought to have as we pray for His mercy:
Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin. For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Sadly, you can't turn to your religion or go to your priest or pastor or spiritual leader for help. They, too, should be begging God for mercy for themselves. This is a matter only between you and Holy God. God knows every one of your thoughts, words, and actions. Turn away from your sins and humbly beg, beseech, and implore God for forgiveness.
And, thank God that in His great mercy He has given you this warning of the destruction that is almost here, and the great hope that you, too, might be one whom God will bring to Heaven to be with God forevermore in the highest happiness and joy and glory. Holy God in the Holy Bible teaches us in Luke 18:10-14:
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
May God have mercy on you as He did on this publican. Click Here to read more materials regarding the knowledge of the last day.
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Audios concerning worldwide warning:
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http://05-21-2011.zapto.org/
http://may-212011.com/May_21,_2011,x.html
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 10:12 am
From: Allen
Of course fundies like him are trying there level best to MAKE
armageddon happen with all their forced breeding. If they get their
way of course they will fulfill their prophecies.
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TOPIC: Should America Euthanize the Old People and Homeless?
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 12:34 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8s7p47F2daU1@mid.individual.net...
> Chief Thracian wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>
>>>>>> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
>
>>>>> You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
>
>>>>>> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own
>>>>>> homes.
>
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>>>> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
>
>>> Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation,
>>> used to be an accountant, but ended up with his entire income being
>>> his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
>
>> That is extremely rare:
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
>> an exception to the rule.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
>> Welfare now can't even pay for rent of the lowest-cost apartments.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
>> No health care of any decent level.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care
> system.
>
> EVERYTHING is quite literally free, from GP consultations to hospital
> treatment for that sort of individual.
>
> When I had a heart attack, it didnt cost me a cent except for the
> newspapers
> to read. Even the cable TV was free, and so was the air ambulance to the
> state
> capital and the stay in by far the newest and best hospital in that state
> capital
> with a magnificent view over the city that you dont get even in the best
> hotels.
>
>> No dental care, or eye care etc.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care
> system.
>
> He got both dental and eye care free, and that included the removal of all
> his remaining teeth, and dentures, and cataract operations on both eyes.
>
>> Gov't pension is /not/ welfare.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
> He never ever worked for the govt ever, so its not a pension in the sense
> you stupid americans use the term.
>
> Its much closer to the american social security system, but doesnt
> have anything like the american FICA system, you qualify for a
> pension entirely based on your age and your assets and income,
> you dont have to have ever paid any taxes at all during your life etc.
>
>>> He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or long
>>> hospital stay etc.
>
>> Good thing, that. 'Cause welfare can no longer afford
>> to send anyone to a nursing home, even the worst ones.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
> Most of those in nursing homes are in fact on welfare in this country.
>
>> No such thing as long hospital stays, either.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about
> our welfare system. Some stay in hospital for YEARS here.
>
>> You are an utter liar.
>
> You're so fucking stupid that you cant even manage to work out which
> country I am posting from.
>
>>>> or the homeless?
>
>>> They do fine.
>
>> Yet another gross lie.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money
>>> to kids who just claim that they have been abused at
>>> home and who just> want to get a govt handout.
>
>> The money's not substantion, in fact it's usually nonexistant,
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
>> cause funds are drying up everywhere.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> system.
>
> Not only isnt the money drying up, we run a microscopic deficit,
> and the complete implosion of the entire world financial system
> barely had any effect on the unemployment rate in this country.
>
>> Welfare cheats called "corporations" are eating it all up...along with
>> the military.
>
> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about which country I
> am talking about.
>
>>> They are entitled to govt housing and rent when that
>>> isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to
>>> be 'homeless' basically so they can do what they like
>
>> That's another lie.
>
> Nope, its a fact.
>
>>> The 'parents' are mostly those whose entire income has been govt welfare
>>> for decades.
>
>> Liar.
>
> Nope, its a fact.
>
> You dont have a fucking clue which country I am talking about.
>
>>>> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care
>>>> of?
>
>>> Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
>
>> Except the United States.
>
> Another lie.
>
>> That's why Amerika is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
>
> Another lie.
>
>>> A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept
>>> in locked
>>> wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal
>>> house or flat etc.
>
>> They can't /afford/ to put a roof over their heads.
>
> Another lie. Our welfare system does that fine.
>
>> There is no help for them any more, the funds have all dried up.
>
> You dont have a fucking clue what country I am talking about.
>
> Or about anything else at all either.
>
>> Sucked up by corporate welfare queens.
>
> Thats a lie even with america.
>
>>>> You are not feeding drunks and junkies, are you?
>
>>> Thats precisely what the bulk of them are.
>
>> No, they are a definite /minority/.
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>> You are simply stereotyping them with bigoted notions,
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>> just like the Nazis did to the poor, the disabled, etc.
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>>> With some of the charitys providing free food etc.
>
>> This free food is often just once or twice a week...
>
> Yes, but they provide enough food to last the week fine.
>
>> with hardly any nutritional value.
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay our welfare in cash, no food stamps
>>> etc, and the worst of the 'homeless' just spend it on grog and drugs.
>
>> These "worst" are a tiny minority among the truly needy,
>
> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>>>> Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
>
>>> Fuck all hobos ride bikes, they mostly walk.
>
> <reams of your desperate attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave
> for dead flushed where it belongs>
>
>> You put the shame in being Amerikan.
>
> I'm not even an american, you stupid pig ignorant clown.
My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level. I like
everything that he says and the rest of you asshole-idiots (all liberals of
course) should pay attention to him.
There is no point in letting beggars starve in the streets of course, but
why make it better for them than for honest hard working folks.
The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults, has
created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever
devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states eventually reduce
everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet Union
is the poster child for all such systems.
Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor, or that some
few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off? Well, that is the
capitalist free enterprise system. Note how the Arab world is doing these
days for an object lesson in other systems.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 6:01 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 18, 11:57 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Chief Thracian wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Chief Thracian wrote
> >>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
> >>>>>>> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
> >>>>>> You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
> >>>>>>> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own homes.
> >>>>>> Wrong, as always.
> >>>>> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
> >>>> Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation,
> >>>> used to be an accountant, but ended up with his entire income being
> >>>> his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
> >>> That is extremely rare:
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >>> an exception to the rule.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >>> Welfare now can't even pay for rent of the lowest-cost apartments.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >>> No health care of any decent level.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
> >> EVERYTHING is quite literally free, from GP consultations to
> >> hospital treatment for that sort of individual.
> >> When I had a heart attack, it didnt cost me a cent except for the newspapers
> >> to read. Even the cable TV was free, and so was the air ambulance to the state
> >> capital and the stay in by far the newest and best hospital in that state capital
> >> with a magnificent view over the city that you dont get even in the best hotels.
> >>> No dental care, or eye care etc.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
> >> He got both dental and eye care free, and that included the removal of all
> >> his remaining teeth, and dentures, and cataract operations on both eyes.
>
> And we get free eye checks and prescriptions too.
>
>
>
> >>> Gov't pension is /not/ welfare.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >> He never ever worked for the govt ever, so its not a
> >> pension in the sense you stupid americans use the term.
> >> Its much closer to the american social security system, but doesnt
> >> have anything like the american FICA system, you qualify for a
> >> pension entirely based on your age and your assets and income,
> >> you dont have to have ever paid any taxes at all during your life etc.
> >>>> He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or long hospital stay etc.
> >>> Good thing, that. 'Cause welfare can no longer afford
> >>> to send anyone to a nursing home, even the worst ones.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >> Most of those in nursing homes are in fact on welfare in this country.
> >>> No such thing as long hospital stays, either.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about
> >> our welfare system. Some stay in hospital for YEARS here.
> >>> You are an utter liar.
> >> You're so fucking stupid that you cant even manage to work out which country I am posting from.
> >>>>> or the homeless?
> >>>> They do fine.
> >>> Yet another gross lie.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money
> >>>> to kids who just claim that they have been abused at
> >>>> home and who just> want to get a govt handout.
> >>> The money's not substantion, in fact it's usually nonexistant,
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >>> cause funds are drying up everywhere.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
> >> Not only isnt the money drying up, we run a microscopic deficit,
> >> and the complete implosion of the entire world financial system
> >> barely had any effect on the unemployment rate in this country.
> >>> Welfare cheats called "corporations" are eating it all up...along with the military.
> >> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about which country I am talking about.
> >>>> They are entitled to govt housing and rent when that
> >>>> isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to
> >>>> be 'homeless' basically so they can do what they like
> >>> That's another lie.
> >> Nope, its a fact.
> >>>> The 'parents' are mostly those whose entire income has been govt welfare for decades.
> >>> Liar.
> >> Nope, its a fact.
> >> You dont have a fucking clue which country I am talking about.
> >>>>> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care of?
> >>>> Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
> >>> Except the United States.
> >> Another lie.
> >>> That's why Amerika is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
> >> Another lie.
> >>>> A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept in locked
> >>>> wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal house or flat etc.
> >>> They can't /afford/ to put a roof over their heads.
> >> Another lie. Our welfare system does that fine.
> >>> There is no help for them any more, the funds have all dried up.
> >> You dont have a fucking clue what country I am talking about.
> > Don't get upset.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
>
> > You just sound so American.
>
> Then you need to get those ears tests, bad, child.
>
> > There are some specimens throughout the world like that.
>
> Like what ?
So Darwinist like you. You must be from Darwin, right?
But you want Darwinism for America, not Australia.
== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 6:03 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 19, 3:34 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8s7p47F2daU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > Chief Thracian wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> Chief Thracian wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>
> >>>>>> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
>
> >>>>> You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
>
> >>>>>> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own
> >>>>>> homes.
>
> >>>>> Wrong, as always.
>
> >>>> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
>
> >>> Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation,
> >>> used to be an accountant, but ended up with his entire income being
> >>> his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
>
> >> That is extremely rare:
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> >> an exception to the rule.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> >> Welfare now can't even pay for rent of the lowest-cost apartments.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> >> No health care of any decent level.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care
> > system.
>
> > EVERYTHING is quite literally free, from GP consultations to hospital
> > treatment for that sort of individual.
>
> > When I had a heart attack, it didnt cost me a cent except for the
> > newspapers
> > to read. Even the cable TV was free, and so was the air ambulance to the
> > state
> > capital and the stay in by far the newest and best hospital in that state
> > capital
> > with a magnificent view over the city that you dont get even in the best
> > hotels.
>
> >> No dental care, or eye care etc.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care
> > system.
>
> > He got both dental and eye care free, and that included the removal of all
> > his remaining teeth, and dentures, and cataract operations on both eyes.
>
> >> Gov't pension is /not/ welfare.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> > He never ever worked for the govt ever, so its not a pension in the sense
> > you stupid americans use the term.
>
> > Its much closer to the american social security system, but doesnt
> > have anything like the american FICA system, you qualify for a
> > pension entirely based on your age and your assets and income,
> > you dont have to have ever paid any taxes at all during your life etc.
>
> >>> He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or long
> >>> hospital stay etc.
>
> >> Good thing, that. 'Cause welfare can no longer afford
> >> to send anyone to a nursing home, even the worst ones.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> > Most of those in nursing homes are in fact on welfare in this country.
>
> >> No such thing as long hospital stays, either.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about
> > our welfare system. Some stay in hospital for YEARS here.
>
> >> You are an utter liar.
>
> > You're so fucking stupid that you cant even manage to work out which
> > country I am posting from.
>
> >>>> or the homeless?
>
> >>> They do fine.
>
> >> Yet another gross lie.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> >>> We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money
> >>> to kids who just claim that they have been abused at
> >>> home and who just> want to get a govt handout.
>
> >> The money's not substantion, in fact it's usually nonexistant,
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> >> cause funds are drying up everywhere.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare
> > system.
>
> > Not only isnt the money drying up, we run a microscopic deficit,
> > and the complete implosion of the entire world financial system
> > barely had any effect on the unemployment rate in this country.
>
> >> Welfare cheats called "corporations" are eating it all up...along with
> >> the military.
>
> > Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about which country I
> > am talking about.
>
> >>> They are entitled to govt housing and rent when that
> >>> isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to
> >>> be 'homeless' basically so they can do what they like
>
> >> That's another lie.
>
> > Nope, its a fact.
>
> >>> The 'parents' are mostly those whose entire income has been govt welfare
> >>> for decades.
>
> >> Liar.
>
> > Nope, its a fact.
>
> > You dont have a fucking clue which country I am talking about.
>
> >>>> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care
> >>>> of?
>
> >>> Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
>
> >> Except the United States.
>
> > Another lie.
>
> >> That's why Amerika is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
>
> > Another lie.
>
> >>> A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept
> >>> in locked
> >>> wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal
> >>> house or flat etc.
>
> >> They can't /afford/ to put a roof over their heads.
>
> > Another lie. Our welfare system does that fine.
>
> >> There is no help for them any more, the funds have all dried up.
>
> > You dont have a fucking clue what country I am talking about.
>
> > Or about anything else at all either.
>
> >> Sucked up by corporate welfare queens.
>
> > Thats a lie even with america.
>
> >>>> You are not feeding drunks and junkies, are you?
>
> >>> Thats precisely what the bulk of them are.
>
> >> No, they are a definite /minority/.
>
> > Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> >> You are simply stereotyping them with bigoted notions,
>
> > Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> >> just like the Nazis did to the poor, the disabled, etc.
>
> > Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> >>> With some of the charitys providing free food etc.
>
> >> This free food is often just once or twice a week...
>
> > Yes, but they provide enough food to last the week fine.
>
> >> with hardly any nutritional value.
>
> > Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> >>> We're actually stupid enough to pay our welfare in cash, no food stamps
> >>> etc, and the worst of the 'homeless' just spend it on grog and drugs.
>
> >> These "worst" are a tiny minority among the truly needy,
>
> > Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
> >>>> Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
>
> >>> Fuck all hobos ride bikes, they mostly walk.
>
> > <reams of your desperate attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave
> > for dead flushed where it belongs>
>
> >> You put the shame in being Amerikan.
>
> > I'm not even an american, you stupid pig ignorant clown.
>
> My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level. I like
> everything that he says and the rest of you asshole-idiots (all liberals of
> course) should pay attention to him.
>
> There is no point in letting beggars starve in the streets of course, but
> why make it better for them than for honest hard working folks.
>
> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults, has
> created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever
> devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states eventually reduce
> everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet Union
> is the poster child for all such systems.
>
> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor, or that some
> few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off? Well, that is the
> capitalist free enterprise system. Note how the Arab world is doing these
> days for an object lesson in other systems.
Just place an Euthanasia Clinic next to the libraries where the
homeless hang out and groom themselves, and their population will
quickly dwindle.
Just give them 100 bucks and a ticket to the 'afterlife.'
== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:05 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>> Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
>>>> Fuck all hobos ride bikes, they mostly walk.
> Yes, I have never seen a hobo on a bike in my life.
Me neither. Aparantly it did happen a bit during the great depression
but at that time some did people like shearers did ride bikes too.
> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they have lost their licenses due to drunken
> driving. I will admit it does beat walking.
Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
> Chief Thracian and Tibetan Monkey are two of the most stupid pig
> ignorant clowns these newsgroups have ever been infested with.
True.
> TM is truly the village idiot and never says anything the least bit sensible. He is a dithering idiot and an
> asshole-moron who is beyond all description.
Why not say what you really think ?
== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>>>> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
>>>>>> You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
>>>>>>> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own homes.
>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
>>>> Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation, used to be an accountant, but ended up with
>>>> his entire income being his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
>>> That is extremely rare:
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>> an exception to the rule.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>> Welfare now can't even pay for rent of the lowest-cost apartments.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>> No health care of any decent level.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
>> EVERYTHING is quite literally free, from GP consultations to hospital treatment for that sort of individual.
>> When I had a heart attack, it didnt cost me a cent except for the newspapers
>> to read. Even the cable TV was free, and so was the air ambulance to the state
>> capital and the stay in by far the newest and best hospital in that state capital
>> with a magnificent view over the city that you dont get even in the best hotels.
>>> No dental care, or eye care etc.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
>> He got both dental and eye care free, and that included the removal of all his remaining teeth, and dentures, and
>> cataract operations on both eyes.
>>> Gov't pension is /not/ welfare.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>> He never ever worked for the govt ever, so its not a pension in the
>> sense you stupid americans use the term.
>> Its much closer to the american social security system, but doesnt
>> have anything like the american FICA system, you qualify for a
>> pension entirely based on your age and your assets and income,
>> you dont have to have ever paid any taxes at all during your life etc.
>>>> He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or
>>>> long hospital stay etc.
>>> Good thing, that. 'Cause welfare can no longer afford
>>> to send anyone to a nursing home, even the worst ones.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>> Most of those in nursing homes are in fact on welfare in this country.
>>> No such thing as long hospital stays, either.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about
>> our welfare system. Some stay in hospital for YEARS here.
>>> You are an utter liar.
>> You're so fucking stupid that you cant even manage to work out which country I am posting from.
>>>>> or the homeless?
>>>> They do fine.
>>> Yet another gross lie.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money
>>>> to kids who just claim that they have been abused at
>>>> home and who just> want to get a govt handout.
>>> The money's not substantion, in fact it's usually nonexistant,
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>> cause funds are drying up everywhere.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>> Not only isnt the money drying up, we run a microscopic deficit,
>> and the complete implosion of the entire world financial system
>> barely had any effect on the unemployment rate in this country.
>>> Welfare cheats called "corporations" are eating it all up...along with the military.
>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about which country I am talking about.
>>>> They are entitled to govt housing and rent when that
>>>> isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to
>>>> be 'homeless' basically so they can do what they like
>>> That's another lie.
>> Nope, its a fact.
>>>> The 'parents' are mostly those whose entire income has been govt welfare for decades.
>>> Liar.
>> Nope, its a fact.
>> You dont have a fucking clue which country I am talking about.
>>>>> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care of?
>>>> Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
>>> Except the United States.
>> Another lie.
>>> That's why Amerika is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
>> Another lie.
>>>> A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept in locked
>>>> wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal house or flat etc.
>>> They can't /afford/ to put a roof over their heads.
>> Another lie. Our welfare system does that fine.
>>> There is no help for them any more, the funds have all dried up.
>> You dont have a fucking clue what country I am talking about.
>> Or about anything else at all either.
>>> Sucked up by corporate welfare queens.
>> Thats a lie even with america.
>>>>> You are not feeding drunks and junkies, are you?
>>>> Thats precisely what the bulk of them are.
>>> No, they are a definite /minority/.
>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>> You are simply stereotyping them with bigoted notions,
>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>> just like the Nazis did to the poor, the disabled, etc.
>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>> With some of the charitys providing free food etc.
>>> This free food is often just once or twice a week...
>> Yes, but they provide enough food to last the week fine.
>>> with hardly any nutritional value.
>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay our welfare in cash, no food
>>>> stamps etc, and the worst of the 'homeless' just spend it on grog
>>>> and drugs.
>>> These "worst" are a tiny minority among the truly needy,
>> Another bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>>>>> Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
>>>> Fuck all hobos ride bikes, they mostly walk.
>> <reams of your desperate attempts at insults any 2 year old could
>> leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
>>> You put the shame in being Amerikan.
>> I'm not even an american, you stupid pig ignorant clown.
>
> My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level.
Much higher level than you, actually. Bet you havent got your own personal FAQ.
Done by one pathetic wretch thats still desperately licking its
wounds quite literaly DECADES after it was comprehensively
fucked over and proved that to the world that way.
> I like everything that he says and the rest of you asshole-idiots (all liberals of course) should pay attention to
> him.
They do, even when they dont admit that.
> There is no point in letting beggars starve in the streets of course,
Dunno, thats one way of getting rid of the pathetic addicts and drunks.
> but why make it better for them than for honest hard working folks.
> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults,
> has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other
> system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states
> eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator.
Mine doesnt. We have plenty of stinking rich and plenty of pathetic wretches.
> The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child for all such systems.
Nope, thats communism, not socialism.
> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor,
That was never the case in the soviet union.
> or that some few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off?
Certainly most of us are better off than most in the soviet union.
> Well, that is the capitalist free enterprise system. Note how the Arab
> world is doing these days for an object lesson in other systems.
== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>>>>>>>> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
>>>>>>>> You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
>>>>>>>>> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own homes.
>>>>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>>>>> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
>>>>>> Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation,
>>>>>> used to be an accountant, but ended up with his entire income being
>>>>>> his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
>>>>> That is extremely rare:
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>>> an exception to the rule.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>>> Welfare now can't even pay for rent of the lowest-cost apartments.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>>> No health care of any decent level.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
>>>> EVERYTHING is quite literally free, from GP consultations to
>>>> hospital treatment for that sort of individual.
>>>> When I had a heart attack, it didnt cost me a cent except for the newspapers
>>>> to read. Even the cable TV was free, and so was the air ambulance to the state
>>>> capital and the stay in by far the newest and best hospital in that state capital
>>>> with a magnificent view over the city that you dont get even in the best hotels.
>>>>> No dental care, or eye care etc.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our health care system.
>>>> He got both dental and eye care free, and that included the removal of all
>>>> his remaining teeth, and dentures, and cataract operations on both eyes.
>> And we get free eye checks and prescriptions too.
>>>>> Gov't pension is /not/ welfare.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>> He never ever worked for the govt ever, so its not a
>>>> pension in the sense you stupid americans use the term.
>>>> Its much closer to the american social security system, but doesnt
>>>> have anything like the american FICA system, you qualify for a
>>>> pension entirely based on your age and your assets and income,
>>>> you dont have to have ever paid any taxes at all during your life etc.
>>>>>> He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or long hospital stay etc.
>>>>> Good thing, that. 'Cause welfare can no longer afford
>>>>> to send anyone to a nursing home, even the worst ones.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>> Most of those in nursing homes are in fact on welfare in this country.
>>>>> No such thing as long hospital stays, either.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about
>>>> our welfare system. Some stay in hospital for YEARS here.
>>>>> You are an utter liar.
>>>> You're so fucking stupid that you cant even manage to work out which country I am posting from.
>>>>>>> or the homeless?
>>>>>> They do fine.
>>>>> Yet another gross lie.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>>>> We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money
>>>>>> to kids who just claim that they have been abused at
>>>>>> home and who just> want to get a govt handout.
>>>>> The money's not substantion, in fact it's usually nonexistant,
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>>> cause funds are drying up everywhere.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about our welfare system.
>>>> Not only isnt the money drying up, we run a microscopic deficit,
>>>> and the complete implosion of the entire world financial system
>>>> barely had any effect on the unemployment rate in this country.
>>>>> Welfare cheats called "corporations" are eating it all up...along with the military.
>>>> Another bare faced lie. You dont have a fucking clue about which country I am talking about.
>>>>>> They are entitled to govt housing and rent when that
>>>>>> isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to
>>>>>> be 'homeless' basically so they can do what they like
>>>>> That's another lie.
>>>> Nope, its a fact.
>>>>>> The 'parents' are mostly those whose entire income has been govt welfare for decades.
>>>>> Liar.
>>>> Nope, its a fact.
>>>> You dont have a fucking clue which country I am talking about.
>>>>>>> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care of?
>>>>>> Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
>>>>> Except the United States.
>>>> Another lie.
>>>>> That's why Amerika is the laughing stock of the civilized world.
>>>> Another lie.
>>>>>> A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept in locked
>>>>>> wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal house or flat etc.
>>>>> They can't /afford/ to put a roof over their heads.
>>>> Another lie. Our welfare system does that fine.
>>>>> There is no help for them any more, the funds have all dried up.
>>>> You dont have a fucking clue what country I am talking about.
>>> Don't get upset.
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
>>> You just sound so American.
>> Then you need to get those ears tests, bad, child.
>>> There are some specimens throughout the world like that.
>> Like what ?
> So Darwinist like you. You must be from Darwin, right?
Nope, thats on the other side of the country, child.
> But you want Darwinism for America, not Australia.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:29 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
[...]
Edward Dolan wrote:
> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults, has
> created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever
> devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states eventually
> reduce
> everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet
> Union
> is the poster child for all such systems.
>
> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor, or that some
> few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off? Well, that is
> the
> capitalist free enterprise system. Note how the Arab world is doing these
> days for an object lesson in other systems.
>> Just place an Euthanasia Clinic next to the libraries where the
homeless hang out and groom themselves, and their population will
quickly dwindle.
>> Just give them 100 bucks and a ticket to the 'afterlife.'
TM, there is something wrong with the way your miniscule brain operates. You
are a disgrace to human intelligence. Just go fuck yourself and leave the
rest of us in peace.
Fucking Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:53 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sa830Fd2rU1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote
[...]
>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they
>> have lost their licenses due to drunken driving. I will admit it does
>> beat walking.
>
> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town. It is far
better to bike.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 9:15 am
From: "Edward Dolan"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8sa8ptFiamU1@mid.individual.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level.
>
> Much higher level than you, actually. Bet you havent got your own personal
> FAQ.
Even so, you do not know how to edit a post. Or do you think we all like to
review what has already been posted.
[...]
>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults,
>> has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other
>> system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states
>> eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator.
>
> Mine doesnt. We have plenty of stinking rich and plenty of pathetic
> wretches.
The pathetic wretches can be taken care of via welfare. It is just a
pittance after all. No one gives a damn about a few stinking rich.
>> The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child for all such
>> systems.
>
> Nope, thats communism, not socialism.
Nope, it is basically the welfare state writ large. Very strange that you do
not realize this.
>> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor,
>
> That was never the case in the soviet union.
The hell it wasn't. Even the rulers were never filthy rich like our
capitalist rulers. Yes, they had some privileges, but they had to pretend to
be like every one else.
>> or that some few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off?
>
> Certainly most of us are better off than most in the soviet union.
Well, that is the genius of the capitalist free enterprise system.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 10:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they have lost their licenses due to drunken
>>> driving. I will admit it does beat walking.
>> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
> Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town.
Wrong, as always.
> It is far better to bike.
Wrong, as always.
== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 10:31 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Edward Dolan wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> My God, I believe Rod Speed is a genius almost on my level.
>> Much higher level than you, actually. Bet you havent got your own personal FAQ.
> Even so, you do not know how to edit a post.
You didnt either with that particular post, hypocrite.
> Or do you think we all like to review what has already been posted.
Nope, its there for those that choose to do that, stupid.
>>> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults,
>>> has created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other
>>> system ever devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare
>>> states eventually reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator.
>> Mine doesnt. We have plenty of stinking rich and plenty of pathetic wretches.
> The pathetic wretches can be taken care of via welfare.
Nope, some refuse to bother with it.
> It is just a pittance after all.
Another lie. We're actually stupid enough to pay more to some
slut that has 5 kids than she can get in a minimum wage job.
And their situation leaves working for dead too, do anything
you like thats legal, someone looks after the brats for quite
a bit of most week days in schools, and you even get to
enjoy the fucking that produces the brats too.
> No one gives a damn about a few stinking rich.
Plenty of the wretches do.
>>> The late unlamented Soviet Union is the poster child for all such systems.
>> Nope, thats communism, not socialism.
> Nope, it is basically the welfare state writ large.
Wrong, as always. Western europe is a lot closer
to that, with a much better standard of living as well.
Even the weather is better.
> Very strange that you do not realize this.
Not strange at all that you dont have a clue.
>>> Ask yourself, would you rather that everyone be equally poor,
>> That was never the case in the soviet union.
> The hell it wasn't.
Fraid so.
> Even the rulers were never filthy rich like our capitalist rulers.
They werent EQUALLY POOR.
> Yes, they had some privileges,
Just a few.
> but they had to pretend to be like every one else.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a
fucking clue about anything at all, ever. None of them ever did anything like that.
>>> or that some few be rich and the remainder of us at least be well off?
>> Certainly most of us are better off than most in the soviet union.
> Well, that is the genius of the capitalist free enterprise system.
Nope, its also seen with the most aggressive socialism in places like scandinavia and holland.
== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 12:21 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 2/19/2011 10:53 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Rod Speed"<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8sa830Fd2rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Edward Dolan wrote
> [...]
>>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they
>>> have lost their licenses due to drunken driving. I will admit it does
>>> beat walking.
>>
>> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
>
> Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town. It is far
> better to bike.
Yeah, if you try to walk, people will stop and ask you if your car broke
down (unless you have a dog with you).
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 12:23 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 2/19/2011 2:34 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> The fact remains that Capitalism and Democracy, whatever its faults, has
> created more wealth and freedom for more folks than any other system ever
> devised. What is so bad about that? Social welfare states eventually reduce
> everyone to the lowest common denominator. The late unlamented Soviet Union
> is the poster child for all such systems.[...]
Oh, yes, life is so terrible for the Scandinavian, Germans, Beneluxians,
and French. </sarcasm>
--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 1:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net wrote
> Edward Dolan wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they have lost their licenses due to drunken
>>>> driving. I will admit it does beat walking.
>>> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
>> Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town.
Wrong, as always.
>> It is far better to bike.
Wrong, as always.
> Yeah, if you try to walk, people will stop and ask you if your car broke down (unless you have a dog with you).
So get a dog, stupid. Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 2:03 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 19, 1:22 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Edward Dolan wrote
> >>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they have lost their licenses due to drunken
> >>> driving. I will admit it does beat walking.
> >> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
> > Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> > It is far better to bike.
>
> Wrong, as always.
You seem to be denying that the wheel was a great invention for
humanity and that the bicycle is the most frugal way to travel, short
of wind...
I mean, I hate to be on the same side as Ed, but he's right this
time. ;)
== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 2:05 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 19, 3:21 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 2/19/2011 10:53 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:8sa830Fd2rU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Edward Dolan wrote
> > [...]
> >>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they
> >>> have lost their licenses due to drunken driving. I will admit it does
> >>> beat walking.
>
> >> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
>
> > Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town. It is far
> > better to bike.
>
> Yeah, if you try to walk, people will stop and ask you if your car broke
> down (unless you have a dog with you).
That's true. I see a lot of dogs walking their owners.
== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 6:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Edward Dolan wrote
>>>>> What you see mostly hereabouts are Hispanics riding bikes because they have
>>>>> lost their licenses due to drunken driving. I will admit it does beat walking.
>>>> Doesnt for me, I prefer to walk for the exercise.
>>> Nope, walking does not work in a small Upper Midwestern USA town.
>> Wrong, as always.
>>> It is far better to bike.
>> Wrong, as always.
> You seem to be denying that the wheel was a great invention for humanity
Wrong, as always.
It works very well for distances that are greater than are practical to walk for example.
> and that the bicycle is the most frugal way to travel, short of wind...
Wrong, as always. Walking is MUCH more frugal.
> I mean, I hate to be on the same side as Ed,
Your problem.
> but he's right this time. ;)
Wrong, as always.
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TOPIC: Think Solar!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5253ebde52a30f54?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 8:41 am
From: Lamumba
It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
Passive Solar is very cost effective.
visit; The Solar Pathfinder
--
Karma, What a concept!
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 10:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Lamumba wrote
> It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
Wrong, as always. Pity about nukes.
> Passive Solar is very cost effective.
Wrong, as always.
> visit; The Solar Pathfinder
Go and fuck yourself.
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 1:43 pm
From: Charmin
On Feb 19, 11:41 am, Lamumba <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
> Passive Solar is very cost effective.
> visit; The Solar Pathfinder
> --
> Karma, What a concept!
Might work good for you if you paste them over the leaks in the roof
of that mobile home you live in.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 4:01 pm
From: Gordon
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:8sag10F3efU1
@mid.individual.net:
> Lamumba wrote
>
>> It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
>
> Wrong, as always. Pity about nukes.
Nukes and dry cell batteries. Everything else can be
traced back to solar.
>
>> Passive Solar is very cost effective.
>
> Wrong, as always.
Depends on how it's implemented. A conventional house,
properly oriented, with large south facing windows (or
north facing for those of you down under) can be very
cost effective. Since the house is being constructed
anyway, there is no additional cost to take advantage
of solar gain.
>
>> visit; The Solar Pathfinder
>
> Go and fuck yourself.
>
>
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 5:04 pm
From: a real cheapskate
On Feb 19, 7:01 pm, Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote in news:8sag10F3efU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Lamumba wrote
>
> >> It's just about the only source of all of our energy.
>
> > Wrong, as always. Pity about nukes.
>
> Nukes and dry cell batteries. Everything else can be
> traced back to solar.
>
>
>
> >> Passive Solar is very cost effective.
>
> > Wrong, as always.
>
> Depends on how it's implemented. A conventional house,
> properly oriented, with large south facing windows (or
> north facing for those of you down under) can be very
> cost effective. Since the house is being constructed
> anyway, there is no additional cost to take advantage
> of solar gain.
>
>
>
>
>
> >> visit; The Solar Pathfinder
>
> > Go and fuck yourself.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
they are known as passive homes, superinsulated heated by 1500 watts
in maine in winter.
theres a new tv show, this new house with amy matthews and a fellow
from this old house. appears to be a this old house offshoot.
a home that really needs little heat is very appealing, gas bills are
expensive
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TOPIC: God doesn't approve of distributing Bibles and sends pirates to capture
the participants
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d8b36ae83d26fc1b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Feb 19 2011 9:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
(Whenever pirates do stuff like this or drivers harass peaceful
cyclists and get away with it... I know the end is near)
The Adams run a Bible ministry, according to their website, and have
been distributing Bibles to schools and churches in remote villages in
areas including the Fiji Islands, Alaska, New Zealand, Central America
and French Polynesia.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110219/ap_on_re_us/piracy_captured_yacht
***
At least that's one interpretation of it. Just as good as any other,
including that Satan sent the pirates to stop the Christians. It may
also mean that this world is slowly but surely descending into chaos
and the Law of the Jungle.
That's my 2 cents for the Wisdom of the Jungle for now.
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