Frugal Living: Jul 23, 2007

Monday, July 23, 2007

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TOPIC: Car batteries: Walmart any good?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a7caa1bfb7945071?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:39 am
From: me@privacy.net

My battery in my Mazda died the other day.

Strange, I've never had a car battery die in the
summer. Its always been the winter when low temps and
load is present.

Anyway..... I bought a replacement battery from
Walmart cause it was an emergency (no time to shop
around).

Are their batteries any good?

What brand/model car battery IS good?

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:18 am
From: ranck@vt.edu

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Anyway..... I bought a replacement battery from
> Walmart cause it was an emergency (no time to shop
> around).
> Are their batteries any good?
> What brand/model car battery IS good?

Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
as it gets.

I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
the same and last as long as the most expensive.

Just my opinion, of course.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:11 pm
From: me@privacy.net

ranck@vt.edu wrote:

>Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
>commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
>if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
>really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
>batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
>as it gets.

Understood. It says the Exide made the Walmart battery
I bought. Well Exide distributed it anyway

>I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
>this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
>all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
>the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
>the same and last as long as the most expensive.

I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
battery now days!

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:47 pm
From: The Real Bev

me@privacy.net wrote:

> ranck@vt.edu wrote:
>
>>Car batteries are like personal computers. They are
>>commondities and one is pretty much the same as another
>>if they have the same CCA and AmpHour specs. There are
>>really only 2 or 3 companies that actually make lead-acid
>>batteries and the technology is pretty much as mature
>>as it gets.
>
> Understood. It says the Exide made the Walmart battery
> I bought. Well Exide distributed it anyway
>
>>I know there will be a bunch of people in here claiming
>>this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
>>all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
>>the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
>>the same and last as long as the most expensive.
>
> I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> battery now days!

We got more than that out of Sears batteries, and last time I was pleasantly
surprised at the amount of credit I received on the new battery.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Little Mary took her skis upon the snow to frisk.
Wasn't she a silly girl her little * ?

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:13 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu

me@privacy.net wrote:
> ranck@vt.edu wrote:

> >this brand or that is far superior. I don't buy it. They
> >all last about 5 or 6 years, with some exceptions, and
> >the cheapest you can buy (assuming same specs) will work
> >the same and last as long as the most expensive.

> I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> battery now days!

I had that problem on a car of mine. One car kept needing
a new battery every 3 years. I finally checked and found
the voltage regulator was off and overcharging. It took me
9 years or so to figure that out because the first battery
goes bad in 3 years you shrug it off as a statistical anonomaly,
the second you think what a bad run of luck, the third you start
looking for reasons. If they'd been going bad in 1 or 2 years
I'd have tracked it down sooner. The key here was it was just
that one car, my other car(s) all got 5 or 6 years on a battery.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:35 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <f83252$c65$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, ranck@vt.edu says...
> me@privacy.net wrote:
> > ranck@vt.edu wrote:

> > I cant seem to get any more than 3 years out of a
> > battery now days!

> I had that problem on a car of mine. One car kept needing
> a new battery every 3 years. I finally checked and found
> the voltage regulator was off and overcharging. It took me
> 9 years or so to figure that out because the first battery
> goes bad in 3 years you shrug it off as a statistical anonomaly,
> the second you think what a bad run of luck, the third you start
> looking for reasons. If they'd been going bad in 1 or 2 years
> I'd have tracked it down sooner. The key here was it was just
> that one car, my other car(s) all got 5 or 6 years on a battery.

Some garages will do a free or cheap charging system test. It
just takes a couple of minutes. Sometimes problems with the
alternator or other parts can either abuse the battery, or make
it look like the battery is bad.

I suggest getting it tested any time you have to replace the
battery.

--
Get Credit Where Credit Is Due
http://www.cardreport.com/
Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum

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TOPIC: Buy first, think later
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4aa3acc947fe0dec?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:44 am
From: George

john smith wrote:
> Got my oil changed last week. Kid said I needed a
> new air filter (forgot they always do that, along with
> that pcv valve). Says it will be $14.99. Said I'd do
> it myself. Went to Auto Zone. Cost $13.99 Big
> savings, but maybe I got a better filter. Took my
> old one out and it didn't look very dirty. Showed it
> to my co-worker, who works on cars. He said it
> didn't look bad at all. Held it up, could see lots of light
> through it. Other co-worker said he cleans his with
> gasoline or something like that. I still have the receipt.
> Should I return it or keep it figuring the next time I
> need one, they may cost a lot more?
>
>
I doubt you can clean a pleated paper air filter.

I like the permanent K&N filters. Its a one time purchase that you can
clean. They also have better filtration and less restriction than
pleated paper.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:54 am
From: George Grapman

I pay a few dollars more and let my regular mechanic do the routine
oil change stuff.
A tv station in LA recently took hidden cameras to some of the chains
and found they never even opened the hood.
The last time I went to a Jiffy Lube I decided to have lunch while
they were working on my car. I was in the process of removing my car key
from the key chain and twice the employee told me that would not be
necessary. Made me wonder why he noticed or cared.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:05 am
From: George

George Grapman wrote:
> I pay a few dollars more and let my regular mechanic do the routine oil
> change stuff.
> A tv station in LA recently took hidden cameras to some of the chains
> and found they never even opened the hood.
> The last time I went to a Jiffy Lube I decided to have lunch while they
> were working on my car. I was in the process of removing my car key from
> the key chain and twice the employee told me that would not be
> necessary. Made me wonder why he noticed or cared.

Me too, about the only thing I did was install the K&N filter. I prefer
dependable local garages.

I caught a few "hidden camera" shows where they rigged up a car and went
to the various big box chain places. As expected it was unusual to
actually get what you paid for. The worst were the transmission flush
places (valuable to prevent an automatic from dying) where they didn't
even bother to roll the machine over and connect the two hoses.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:45 pm
From: The Real Bev

john smith wrote:

> Got my oil changed last week. Kid said I needed a
> new air filter (forgot they always do that, along with
> that pcv valve). Says it will be $14.99. Said I'd do
> it myself. Went to Auto Zone. Cost $13.99 Big
> savings, but maybe I got a better filter.

When I took my mom's car to JiffyLube, the guy showed me the air filter and
quoted a price which was something like 3x the price of the filter at Pep
Boys, which I bought and replaced while my mom watched. The only bad part
is that the filter is in a place that gets really hot, so you have to let it
cool down before you replace it. Big deal.

I always made a point of VISIBLY watching the guy work on the car, and even
went out to ask him a question. Worked fine.

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Little Mary took her skis upon the snow to frisk.
Wasn't she a silly girl her little * ?

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TOPIC: Breast-Feeding: Private Act or Public Right?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d9ae679497789a49?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:43 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:02:17 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:

> I look at it this way: kids making noise is a given.

So does practicing Tuba. Oddly enough, people rarely seem to do this in
restaurants... something about not inflicting unwanted noise on the other
patrons.

--
He's YOUR God, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:45 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:

>>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not learned
>>> behavior.
>>
>> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and lying or
>> bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a correlation, then your
>> statement is, itself, a lie, which doesn't exactly give you the moral
>> high ground, now does it?
>>
> You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall we assume
you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?

--
But loving a cat is not a sin. -- Kevin Mckenzie
It depends on wether you use duct tape or not. -- J.J. Hitt

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:28 am
From: William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:43:20 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>[snips]
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:02:17 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>
>> I look at it this way: kids making noise is a given.
>
>So does practicing Tuba. Oddly enough, people rarely seem to do this in
>restaurants... something about not inflicting unwanted noise on the other
>patrons.

Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
seems to have enured me to the situation. I think a person could have
a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
something different. We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
and annoying as unruly kids. Then another guy showed up and they sat
him at the end of the table, with his backside right up against our
table. Then, 5 more people showed up and started hovering over our
table while they joined in the festivities. My wife sensed my
annoyance and then offered to move to "allow their party to all be
seated together." We moved to a table outside, it happened to be a
perfectly lovely evening and we got free desserts out of the deal for
our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
price we pay for being social animals.

>
>
>--
>He's YOUR God, they're YOUR rules, YOU burn in hell!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:52 am
From: Kelsey Bjarnason

[snips]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:28:50 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:

> Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
> social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
> seems to have enured me to the situation.

Your kids, or those of others? If those of others, why did *you* have to
abbreviate your evenings because of someone else's squalling monsters? If
yours, then thank you for your consideration of others.

> I think a person could have
> a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
> practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
> something different.

If I want to hear squalling monsters, I'll go to a "family" restaurant.
If I'm going somewhere a little upscale from that, I don't expect to be
inundated with kids *or* tubas. One unwelcome noise is just as unpleasant
as another; if we're going to accept kids, why not tubas?

> We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
> they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
> and annoying as unruly kids.

Yeah, but at least those you can talk to. Ever tried talking to a parent
with a squalling monster? "He's just a kid, give him a break, you can't
expect..." No, lady, I expect *you* as the *parent* to shut the kid up,
leave him at home, or get out.

> our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
> control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
> personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
> but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
> price we pay for being social animals.

No, it's the price parents demand we pay for *their* incompetence in
locating baby sitters. Can't find one? Stay home. Simple concept.

--
Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Let me guess. The eldest male in your household
is referred to as 'Uncle Dad'. -- Marty Leipzig

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:07 pm
From: firelock_ny@hotmail.com

On Jul 23, 1:45 pm, Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
> >>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not learned
> >>> behavior.
>
> >> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and lying or
> >> bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a correlation, then your
> >> statement is, itself, a lie, which doesn't exactly give you the moral
> >> high ground, now does it?
>
> > You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
>
> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall we assume
> you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?

Kelsey, you're talking to *Terry Austin*. He isn't
here to show you whether or not he's lying.

--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:53 pm
From: William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt)

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:52:01 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason
<kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:

>[snips]
>
>On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:28:50 +0000, William Wingstedt wrote:
>
>> Back in the day, my wife and I have done our share of abbreviating our
>> social outings because of cranky kids and oddly enough, the experience
>> seems to have enured me to the situation.
>
>Your kids, or those of others? If those of others, why did *you* have to
>abbreviate your evenings because of someone else's squalling monsters? If
>yours, then thank you for your consideration of others.

My wife took our kids out to the car while I waited to get our stuff
boxed up to go, or went through the grocery checkout or whatever. I
don't remember ever leaving because of someone else's kids being
disruptive...

>
>> I think a person could have
>> a reasonable expectation to go to a restaurant and not hear someone
>> practicing tuba, but expecting not to hear kids making noise is
>> something different.
>
>If I want to hear squalling monsters, I'll go to a "family" restaurant.
>If I'm going somewhere a little upscale from that, I don't expect to be
>inundated with kids *or* tubas. One unwelcome noise is just as unpleasant
>as another; if we're going to accept kids, why not tubas?
>
>> We were in a restaurant on Saturday night and
>> they sat a large party of adults next to us that were easily as loud
>> and annoying as unruly kids.
>
>Yeah, but at least those you can talk to. Ever tried talking to a parent
>with a squalling monster?

Can't say that I have. I usually just bitch about to my wife and she
chastises me for being a crotchety old man :)

> "He's just a kid, give him a break, you can't
>expect..." No, lady, I expect *you* as the *parent* to shut the kid up,
>leave him at home, or get out.
>
>> our trouble. I agree that it's rude to inflict your inability to
>> control your kids on other people in public situations, and I
>> personally would be sensitive to my responsiblity in those regards,
>> but unfortunately, a certain amount of it must be endured. That's the
>> price we pay for being social animals.
>
>No, it's the price parents demand we pay for *their* incompetence in
>locating baby sitters. Can't find one? Stay home. Simple concept.

Seems simple enough to me and you, maybe we're missing the complicated
part. But look at the bright side, by being exposed to kids in
restaurants, you've come to the realisation that you don't want any of
your own.

>
>
>--
>Ft. Smith, Arkansas? Let me guess. The eldest male in your household
>is referred to as 'Uncle Dad'. -- Marty Leipzig

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 2:22 pm
From: No 33 Secretary

Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote in
news:n36fn4-2hu.ln1@spanky.localhost.net:

> [snips]
>
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:08:38 +0000, Terry Austin wrote:
>
>>>> Indeed. For atheists, it is apparently a natural talent, not
>>>> learned behavior.
>>>
>>> Please explain what the correlation is between atheism and
>>> lying or bullshitting. If you cannot demonstrate such a
>>> correlation, then your statement is, itself, a lie, which
>>> doesn't exactly give you the moral high ground, now does it?
>>>
>> You're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
>
>
> That's nice. Still doesn't support the contention made. Shall
> we assume you cannot, and therefore were, in fact, simply lying?
>
Or perhaps you just want to suck my dick again.

--
"If he does that shit again I'm going to tie his ass hairs together
and kick him in the shin."

Terry Austin

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TOPIC: Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:20 am
From: "Rod Speed"

muzician21@yahoo.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Spob <pongespob_paresqua...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> So with all the gnashing of teeth regarding prohibitive costs
>>> of health insurance and greedy companies that do their best
>>> to avoid paying on claims, why hasn't there been an insurance
>>> company formed by outraged liberals who would be willing to
>>> forego the huge salaries of the typical corporate hierarchy and
>>> pour it all back into coverage benefits and lowered premiums?

>> Because those salarys are a tiny part of the total fund turnover
>> and arent even visible in the coverage benefits and premiums.

> I don't know if that's actually true

Corse it is.

> but in order to make those huge salaries, isnt there an
> inherent incentive to structure things in a way that favors
> the largest possible profits over best possible benefits?

Nope. If you go that route, you'll find that few are interested your
fund, so you wont produce anything like the largest possible profits.

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TOPIC: Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/498d68c0ba1d2e0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:25 am
From: "345" <345@spam.com>

Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time and money, say researchers. A review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that taking the tablets had no effect on the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a
>>>>>>>>>>> medical expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>> vitamens via vegetables is immensely better than any pill.
>>>>>>>>>>> Further, much of what's on the market is dreck. At least in
>>>>>>>>>>> the US, the suppliment market is totally unregulated and
>>>>>>>>>>> you can put pretty much anything into a bottle and call it
>>>>>>>>>>> anything you want.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your
>>>>>>>>>>> veggies...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>>
>>>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>>
>>>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are
>>>>> talking about.
>>
>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>
>>> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing
>>> colds when we were talking about zinc.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> And whether supplimentation is an effective way to otbain vitamens
>>> to begin with.
>>
>> You're lying, as always.
>>
>>> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...
>>
>> None of your shit ever does.

> Okay, fruit cup, the killfile is that way...

Fat lot of good that will do you, fuckwit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:41 am
From: William Souden

345 wrote:
> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a waste of time and money, say researchers. A review
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 30 studies involving more than 11,000 people found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that taking the tablets had no effect on the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>>>>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a
>>>>>>>>>>>> medical expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining
>>>>>>>>>>>> vitamens via vegetables is immensely better than any pill.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, much of what's on the market is dreck. At least in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the US, the suppliment market is totally unregulated and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can put pretty much anything into a bottle and call it
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your
>>>>>>>>>>>> veggies...
>>>>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>>>>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>>>>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>>>>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>>>>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>>>>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are
>>>>>> talking about.
>>>>> Wrong, as always.
>>>> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing
>>>> colds when we were talking about zinc.
>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>
>>>> And whether supplimentation is an effective way to otbain vitamens
>>>> to begin with.
>>> You're lying, as always.
>>>
>>>> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...
>>> None of your shit ever does.
>
>> Okay, fruit cup, the killfile is that way...
>
> Fat lot of good that will do you, fuckwit.
>
>
What a clever new name for Rod. No one will ever suspect it is
toilet boy.
Is 345 the amount of your monthly welfare stipend?

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TOPIC: Rod Speed, what do you know about currency?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 11:58 am
From: BeaForoni@msn.com

On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, Steve <d...@whc.inv> wrote:
> What a silly question, there's absolutely no topic on which Rod is not
> an expert.
>
> --
>
> When they discover the center of the universe,
> a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it.
>
> ...Bernard Bailey

You are so right! This Speed person is amazing. A person with limited
education and insught can blow away the most informed, thought out
opinions with a simple "you don't know what you're talking about"
retort. It is like a blind man being critical of Picasso or a deaf
person pointing out the shortcomings of Beethoven, except in
'Speedland' he is always right.

What I especially like about The Speedster is how a person can post a
three hundred word arguement with links and footnotes and then Rod can
unravel the entire arguement with a simple, "Nope you're wrong."

There should be an entire alt.Rod Speed where questions to life's
questions can all be answered. I would like to see an entire
Speedernet, but alas he is only one person. Maybe we could fund a
Speed University. A Rod Speed think tank? How about a Speedpedia? A
branch of science; Speedology? Better yet a whole religion, we could
call it Speedatarian.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:41 pm
From: "artworks4women@gmail.com"

Looking for advice, honest critique....I am a writer, essayist
mostly,
but really my blood is prose.
But I am an apostle of sorts, and want to heard. Is poetry a vehicle
anymore for ideas?

I write haikus too and my friend is a painter. We have a cafe press
store, a blog and lost of ideas.

Do people want unique artworks, or is that extravagant. I am cheap
myself, but do buy a piece of art a year as a rule, usually under
$500. Is art a feasible way to make a living?

ford free friday prose (this is the free day at the art museum)

discovered some today
resting nudes and
lost Polish shepherds
imprinted on my mind
somewhere branching
over dendrites
and drying
in between those spaces
interstices
Lonnie Holly
called potentialities
but he's on the outside
looking in
how will I use them for I went shopping today
came here
to reclaim
returned to exchange
you for me
lies for truths
tested my reactions
to the litmus/rice paper
in frames
looked across the rooms
let my eye
catch watch
in this see to sea
wall to wall
and land here
on a cement pad
patio
reminiscent of Frieda Kahlo's
home with a Midwestern sky
and tourists belying the
state
writing like Jackson Pollack
reeling from the scene
today I went postmodern
my words scream

--
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http://artworks4women.blogspot.com/

Introducing a new blog/ new venture/a space for exploration and
celebration.
Narcissists are predators, psychophagic-meaning they eat your soul.

This is a joint project to reclaim ourselves through our art.

Our personal sites:
Luba's art
http://picasaweb.google.com/lubaborun/
Laurel's words
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:04 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Noon-Air" <Noon-Air@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H7udnYkx0YpLqDnbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Please quit cross posting this crap to alt.hvac, nobody cares about all of the
> left wing political crap
>
> BTW.....welcome to my killfile
>
> *PLONK*

You've just made my day. Bye bye.

Bob

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:41 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <469cbab1$0$4720$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
nospam@neo.rr.com says...

> I know people disagree, but it's how we feel about it. We've made sure to
> have a certain amount of our life insurance left to the person who will be
> making those arrangements. In my father's case, the funeral home knew about
> the policy and they waited until it was paid out for their payment. Those
> aren't usually drug out by the insurance companies.

Imagine the call to the insurance company...

"Hey, if you don't pay out on uncle Morty's insurance right now
so I can bury him, I'm gonna bring him over and sit him in your
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:23 am
From: Mary

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 4:08 am
From: Al Bundy

On Jul 23, 4:23 am, Mary <daofu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I bought a battery of IBM thinkpad t42 from a online shop,that isht I search it from google.
> Be my surprise,order arrived faster than any other online purchase
> I've ever made. I will recommend this shop to everyone I know looking
> for ibm laptop battery in a hurry.....
> co.uk,the best online shop of ibm
> thinkpad battery,do not hesitate,you can count on them.

Close, but no cigar Mary. Well, maybe there's a cigar in there
somewhere.
I notice that the post uses similar chinglish as the Web site.
Are these the exploding batteries?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:41 am
From: duke

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:10 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <0Feni.28702$C96.5071@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
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>
> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
> news:Y_3ni.269987$dC2.196867@newsfe13.lga...
> > bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

> >>Tock, do you really think that anyone can learn to be a barber? Doesn't it
> >>require some kind of predilection or talent? I have always thought of it
> >>as a kind of artistry, like music.

> > Plus a personality to be able / care to talk with a new stranger every 15
> > minutes for 15 minutes and/or have a running dialogue with your repeat
> > customers..

> Ya, that's an important aspect of the business.
> I've found that every barber can have engaging conversations with at least a
> few customers, but no barber can "hit it off" with every customer. But to
> make a go of this business, you have to be able to talk with a fairly wide
> variety of people. You don't find too many, though, who are consistently
> engaging/pleasant when doing a haircut.

On the other hand, there seem to be plenty of people who would
have great difficulty working alone. Some seem to view the
workplace as a context for socialising, even to the point of
resenting other workers who don't have time for it. Some also
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Some folks like that have even gotten rather nasty attitudes at
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 1:10 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<Guymi.7792$tj6.6377@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
deltacyberservices@yahoo.com says...
> Hi - How do you all store pasta. We are reviewing our emergency stocks and
> found we have plenty of pasta sauces but in the summer bugs get into the
> pasta ... meally worms we always called them.
>
> I heard you can freeze pasta ... uncooked I mean ... to keep the bugs out
> .... any other ideas?
>
> Would vacumm packing it work --- we have a food saver.
>
> thanks for your ideas

Ask over on rec.food.preserving

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 3:05 am
From: muzician21@yahoo.com

On Jul 10, 3:44 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Spob <pongespob_paresqua...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So with all the gnashing of teeth regarding prohibitive costs
> > of health insurance and greedy companies that do their best
> > to avoid paying on claims, why hasn't there been an insurance
> > company formed by outraged liberals who would be willing to
> > forego the huge salaries of the typical corporate hierarchy and
> > pour it all back into coverage benefits and lowered premiums?
>
> Because those salarys are a tiny part of the total fund turnover
> and arent even visible in the coverage benefits and premiums.

I don't know if that's actually true but in order to make those huge
salaries, isnt there an inherent incentive to structure things in a
way that favors the largest possible profits over best possible
benefits?

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 3:35 am
From: Michael Gray

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:09:23 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:50:13 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:55:10 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:47:03 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>>>> <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:56:03 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:41:04 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
>>>>>> <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:22:58 +0930, Michael Gray wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:15:00 -0400, "Wilson"
>>>>>>>> <wilson@universal.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/
>>>>>>>>> nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>> waste of time
>>>>>>>>> and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving more
>>>>>>>>> than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no effect on
>>>>>>>>> the average person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>> Last month in fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See a previous response to another doubter which refers to a study
>>>>>> published in "The Lancet".
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a meta-study. I'd be leery of jumping on a bandwagon with only
>>>>> a meda-study holding it up. Especially not when double-blind trials
>>>>> are showing no effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suppliment bunch retorted with, "The traditional scientific model
>>>>> does not always apply to dietary supplements..."
>>>>
>>>> Which is a VERY strong pointer that the Scientific Results reflect
>>>> reality!
>>>>
>>>> Whenever you hear that, it is RED FLAG time. They said exactly the
>>>> same thing after each abject and utter failure of Homeopathy under
>>>> "reality" conditions.
>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yvlpyb
>>>>>
>>>>> Which sounds a lot like faith to me...
>>>
>>> I'm not jumping either way on this one, the studies are too conflicted.
>>> But I'm leery of the suppliment industry. It's an industry riddled with
>>> snake oil. Which is why a vitamen or herb can be effective but
>>> suppliments are still useless. At least here in the US, nobody's making
>>> them put anything in the bottle that has anything to do with what's on
>>> the label.
>>>
>>> Plus, we in the US are too obsessed with magic bullets. We wanna pop a
>>> pill, not have to, oh, eat right or something extreme like that...
>>
>> And there is nothing you can do that will ensure that you never get
>> colds except stay away from everyone on some desert island or lighthouse
>> etc, and thats not a very practical approach for the vast bulk of
>> people.
>
>Dear dimwit,
>
>WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.
>
>Sheesh.
>
>Reading comprehension, try it...

The "comprehension" was superfluous.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 3:37 am
From: Michael Gray

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:52:50 -0700, William Souden <souden@nospam.com>
wrote:

> How many names has welfare Rod used in this thread? his own, "sam
>jones" and the so clever "1,2,3".

How do we know that you are not another sock-puppet?
All you have to do is to say something sane, erudite, and adult after
the tone:

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 6:07 am
From: "Mark K. Bilbo"

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:09:43 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:

> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geoff wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??
>
>>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a medical
>>>>>>>>>> expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining vitamens via
>>>>>>>>>> vegetables is immensely better than any pill. Further, much of
>>>>>>>>>> what's on the market is dreck. At least in the US, the
>>>>>>>>>> suppliment market is totally unregulated and you can put pretty
>>>>>>>>>> much anything into a bottle and call it anything you want.
>
>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your
>>>>>>>>>> veggies...
>
>>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.
>
>>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.
>
>>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,
>
>>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.
>
>>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?
>
>>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.
>
>>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are
>>>> talking about.
>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C not preventing colds
>> when we were talking about zinc.
>
> You're lying, as always.
>
>> And whether supplimentation is an effective way to otbain vitamens to
>> begin with.
>
> You're lying, as always.
>
>> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...
>
> None of your shit ever does.

Okay, fruit cup, the killfile is that way...

--
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------------------------------------------------------------
"You know, I'd get it if people were just looking for a
way to fill the holes. But they want the holes. They wanna
live in the holes. And they go nuts when someone else
pours dirt in their holes.

"Climb out of your holes people!"

- Dr. House, on faith

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<takecarebro@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Secret of Magic Tricks are revealed here! Learn street magic
> tricks, bar magic tricks, card tricks, coin tricks, etc. Easy lessons
> and magician secrets revealed. Dedicated for beginners who want to
> start learning secret magic tricks step by step.
>
> http://secretmagictricks.blogspot.com/
>

I once had a book on magic but I can't find it any more :-(

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 8:57 am
From: cultxpt

On Jul 23, 7:12 am, "Cub" <c...@home.com> wrote:
> <takecare...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1185171238.226154.139950@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > The Secret of Magic Tricks are revealed here! Learn street magic
> > tricks, bar magic tricks, card tricks, coin tricks, etc. Easy lessons
> > and magician secrets revealed. Dedicated for beginners who want to
> > start learning secret magic tricks step by step.
>
> >http://secretmagictricks.blogspot.com/
>
> I once had a book on magic but I can't find it any more :-(

I've got 8 books on magic. It's a wonderful way to show people that
you have to be really careful if you sense someone is manipulating
you. Because even what you see with your own eyes might not be what
you think it is.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 5:11 am
From: Z

Good information for you http://healthorganic.googlepages.com/

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TOPIC: Richistan, USA: a report that will make you hate the rich.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 5:28 am
From: Useful Info

Read about it at http://Muvy.org

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 5:55 am
From: lazyriverliving@yahoo.com

On Jul 23, 8:28 am, Useful Info <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Read about it athttp://Muvy.org

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rLYph0J7vc

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TOPIC: HACK your cell phone! Get free internet
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 6:14 am
From: kaash

HACK your cell phone! Get free internet Video
http://mobilephone-guide.blogspot.com/2007/07/hack-your-cell-phone-get-free-internet.html

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 6:28 am
From: miles

Myal wrote:

> are way past due time to shipped to the knackery / old folks home , your
> usefullness as a productive tax paying drone has come to an end , pleas
> make way for younger drones who have more to contribute than you .

I'm still waiting for you to contribute something.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 6:42 am
From: "JerryD$upstateNY$"

Myal wrote:..pleas make way for younger drones who have more to contribute
than you .
miles wrote:....I'm still waiting for you to contribute something.

Why do you have to keep talking to a TROLL ????
I have him blocked so I don't have to look at his nonsense but I STILL see
his posts because YOU answer him. (like a nitwit)

--
JerryD(upstateNY)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 7:23 am
From: Sparrow

Some ideas for saving money:

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/frugal-philly.html

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 7:48 am
From: "Bill"

There are plenty of tool boxes at home improvement stores which can be
locked.

If you want to prevent wireless from working, get a metal box.

Keep in mind that electronic gizmos generate heat and need ventilation. Be
sure to drill plenty of holes for heat to escape or may damage equipment
(unless you plan to only operate it with the cover open).

"Mosh" wrote in message
> Hello.
>
> I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
> where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
> located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
> about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too
> much (it doesn't have to go so far anyway). I was trying to google for
> it but did not find anything. Maybe there is something out there that
> will suffice us even if it was meant for something else. Would anyone
> have any ideas or leads that I could follow?
>
> Thanks!
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 7:52 am
From: Just A User

Logan Shaw wrote:
> Mosh wrote:
>> I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
>> where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
>> located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
>> about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too
>> much (it doesn't have to go so far anyway).
>
> Does "interfering with the signal" indicate you are putting a wireless
> access point in there? I would think putting an antenna in a Faraday
> cage isn't going to help out much. I would look into some material
> other than metal.

Aren't external antennas available? Put the modem and the router in the
box and run an antenna to an outside the box location.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 8:48 am
From: jessi

Great Home Improvement Tips Website
http://home.improvement.tips.googlepages.com

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 10:04 am
From: "john smith"

Got my oil changed last week. Kid said I needed a
new air filter (forgot they always do that, along with
that pcv valve). Says it will be $14.99. Said I'd do
it myself. Went to Auto Zone. Cost $13.99 Big
savings, but maybe I got a better filter. Took my
old one out and it didn't look very dirty. Showed it
to my co-worker, who works on cars. He said it
didn't look bad at all. Held it up, could see lots of light
through it. Other co-worker said he cleans his with
gasoline or something like that. I still have the receipt.
Should I return it or keep it figuring the next time I
need one, they may cost a lot more?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:27 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <wN-dnZUA2P-5EAPbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7Knni.6187$s25.3730@trndny04...
> >
> > "Zilbandy" <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
> > news:59uq93l4o40hch5jr9cmsm6jof6nk2pvun@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:39:16 -0400, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Feeding a baby is a totally normal
> >>>task that
> >>>should not bother you or anyone else.

> >> So, if it's totally normal, it's ok? Lemme know when you're passing
> >> through my town. I'll bring my portapotty and take a dump right in
> >> front of you. After all, it's "totally normal".
> >
> > i've got no problem with it as long as you totally contain your mess
> > and
> > take it with you.
> >
> > however, should it be made legal, we all know that we'd have shit in
> > the streets. people can't even contain their litter, let alone
> > their shit.

> I saw a slide show of someones trip to china years ago. One of the
> pictures was of a baby in mothers arms pissing on the steps of some
> government building. The Story was that it is common there for babies
> to wear split pants, so they can do their business when and where they
> are without the need for diapers. I bet THEY aren't concerned about
> breast feeding.

Well, there are plenty of adults in many countries who would
probably enjoy pissing on a gubmint building, too.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 8:27 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <WlLni.22619$RX.17961@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
lee_keedick@hotmail.com says...
>
> "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
> news:5g97ebF3f7j9hU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> >
> > I'm a supporter of the right to choose - therefore, I am pro-choice.
>
> Whose right to choose, and to choose what?
> I'd wager you don't support a male's participation in the choice that so
> intimately affects him.
> If he wants to choose life, and she chooses abortion, it's just too bad for
> him.
> If she wants to choose life and he wants her to abort, it's just too bad for
> him.
> Financially, if he wants to choose not to be involved, it's not a choice
> available to him. The argument that he should have been more careful so as
> to avoid impregnation is bogus.

It is very relevant. Because it is a basic principle of life -
Actions Lead To Consequences. Including ones that you don't
like.

What better way to present this issue to teenage boys? If I had
to write a teen sex education text, it would be like this...

"Hey dudes! Would you like about eighteen minutes of hot sex?
Well, how about following it up with eighteen YEARS of crushing
child support payments? Let's look at some of that stuff that
you will NOT be able to buy, as a trade-off for that ONE sexual
encounter. And do you really think you will have time to go to
university (to get a high income), when you are busy working
to cough up the child support dough RIGHT NOW? And let's
imagine all the other women who will lose interest in you,
when they hear that all of your money is going to make those
child support payments! You screwed that chick when you were
a teenager, and now, YOU'RE screwed!"

I don't see anything bogus about that.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:20 pm
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <Xns9972873C1DD21taustingmail@216.168.3.64>,
terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com says...
> William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote in
> news:469fc552.161382776@Newsgroups.Comcast.net:

> >>>>>>"No 33 Secretary" <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>message news:Xns99718CA94FD05taustingmail@216.168.3.64...
> >>>>>>> "Lee K" <lee_keedick@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:UPuni.50559$5j1.23294@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:

> >>>>>>> "Pro life" really means "life as we tell you to or we'll
> >>>>>>> kill you." "Pro choice" really means "make your own
> >>>>>>> decisions how to live."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pro-death *is* a corrollary to pro-life. In your ignorance
> >>>>>>> and illiteracy, you have hit on a hidden truth.

> >>>>>>Interesting that you call me ignorant and illiterate and in
> >>>>>>the process mispell 'corollary'.

> >>>>> ..and then you proceed to misspell 'misspell'...

> >>>>If I'm not mistaken, NNTP servers have a subroutine built in
> >>>>to correct any correct spellings of misspell, because it just
> >>>>never gets spelled right. Your news host is clearly
> >>>>non-compliant.

> >>> I'd be interested in knowing what correction is applied to the
> >>> correct spelling of 'misspell' and how the exit condition is
> >>> reached.

> >>If I told you that, then I'd have to threaten to kill you. This
> >>is usenet, after all, and the law requires that 50% of all
> >>conversations end in death threats.

> > As I remain unthreatened by the comfort that death offers, there
> > is only one way to end this conversation legally. You're
> > probably going to die.

> I believe that's the most pussified death threat I've ever gotten.
>
> And we're *all* going to die. Eventually.

Be careful. If you are willing to actually face that hard
reality, then people might start calling you pro-death.

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 11:06 pm
From: Terry Austin

"345" <345@spam.com> wrote in news:46a3de87$0$2996$61c65585@un-2park-
reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au:

> Terry Austin <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "345" <345@spam.com> wrote in news:46a3bfcc$0$2997$61c65585@un-2park-
>> reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au:
>>
>>> Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 04:27:02 +1000, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469d75cb$0$29633$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> snip
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Urination is perfectly natural and performed by most men, women
>>>>>>> and children as well. I don't have much of an opinion either
>>>>>>> way on this issue, other than to say that the majority of the
>>>>>>> citizens have a right to decide if it should be allowed in
>>>>>>> public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pottying in public needs to be prohibited because of the disease
>>>>>> factor.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no 'disease factor'
>>>>
>>>> Depends what one means by "in public". There certainly is a disease
>>>> factor if crap is flowing in the streets.
>>>
>>> Nope.
>
>> There are a number of diseases, some of the nastier
>> ones, transmitted by exposure to human feces.
>
> It was piss being discussed, not faeces,

You were explicitly talking about feces, however, in what is quoted
above. You might be too fucking stupid to understand that - it certainly
seems plausible - or you might be deliberately lying - certainly, you
don't give a flying fuck *what* you say, being nothing but a simple (and
I do mean *simple*) troll. But that is explicitly what you were talking
about.

>and just
> pissing in public doesnt 'expose' anyone to the piss either.

It is disgusting, and leaves stains that can be very difficult to remove.
If you don't believe it, then you *can't* *possibly* object if I come by
an piss on your carpet every day for a few years. Any response other than
an invitation, including your address, to do so will be considered an
admission that you are a lying troll. Not that such an admission is in
any way necessary.
>
>>> And it was piss being discussed not crap anyway.
>
>> Urine, of course, is sterile, unless one is already quite ill.
>
> So you have just got your shit all over your face, as always.
>
I know you are, but what am I?

--
Terry Austin
History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 11:07 pm
From: Terry Austin

Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG <Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in
news:MPG.210dcc23473697e989c2d@nntp.aioe.org:

> In article <Xns9972873C1DD21taustingmail@216.168.3.64>,
> terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com says...
>> William_Wingstedt@comcast.net (William Wingstedt) wrote in
>> news:469fc552.161382776@Newsgroups.Comcast.net:
>
>> >>>>>>"No 33 Secretary" <terry.notaniceperson@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>>message news:Xns99718CA94FD05taustingmail@216.168.3.64...
>> >>>>>>> "Lee K" <lee_keedick@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>>> news:UPuni.50559$5j1.23294@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
>
>> >>>>>>> "Pro life" really means "life as we tell you to or we'll
>> >>>>>>> kill you." "Pro choice" really means "make your own
>> >>>>>>> decisions how to live."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Pro-death *is* a corrollary to pro-life. In your ignorance
>> >>>>>>> and illiteracy, you have hit on a hidden truth.
>
>> >>>>>>Interesting that you call me ignorant and illiterate and in
>> >>>>>>the process mispell 'corollary'.
>
>
>> >>>>> ..and then you proceed to misspell 'misspell'...
>
>
>> >>>>If I'm not mistaken, NNTP servers have a subroutine built in
>> >>>>to correct any correct spellings of misspell, because it just
>> >>>>never gets spelled right. Your news host is clearly
>> >>>>non-compliant.
>
>> >>> I'd be interested in knowing what correction is applied to the
>> >>> correct spelling of 'misspell' and how the exit condition is
>> >>> reached.
>
>> >>If I told you that, then I'd have to threaten to kill you. This
>> >>is usenet, after all, and the law requires that 50% of all
>> >>conversations end in death threats.
>
>> > As I remain unthreatened by the comfort that death offers, there
>> > is only one way to end this conversation legally. You're
>> > probably going to die.
>
>
>> I believe that's the most pussified death threat I've ever gotten.
>>
>> And we're *all* going to die. Eventually.
>
>
> Be careful. If you are willing to actually face that hard
> reality, then people might start calling you pro-death.
>
Why would I want to be careful about that? If it were up to me, the only
people to be allowed to live past sunrise would be me and the six hottest
women in the human race who are incapable of speaking or putting on
clothes.

--
Terry Austin
History is made at night. Character is what you are in the dark.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking the tablets had no effect on the average person.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...

>>>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?

>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.

>>>>>>>>>>> It's all marketing fluff.

>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to tell the publishers of "The Lancet"??

>>>>>>>>> Zinc may have some effectiveness but I haven't seen a medical
>>>>>>>>> expert yet that hasn't pointed out that obtaining vitamens via
>>>>>>>>> vegetables is immensely better than any pill. Further, much of
>>>>>>>>> what's on the market is dreck. At least in the US, the
>>>>>>>>> suppliment market is totally unregulated and you can put
>>>>>>>>> pretty much anything into a bottle and call it anything you want.

>>>>>>>>> The bottom line being your mother was right, eat your veggies...

>>>>>>>> Pity that doing that hasnt been shown to PREVENT colds.

>>>>>>>> Vegetarians still get colds.

>>>>>>> Well, other than being irrelevant,

>>>>>> Nope, prevention of colds is clearly what was being discussed.

>>>>> Yeah that explains that Subject line up there huh?

>>>> Irrelevant to what the cited article was clearly about.

>>> Dingleberry, the topic is whatever the people in the thread are talking about.

>> Wrong, as always.

> This from the guy who is screaming about vitamen C
> not preventing colds when we were talking about zinc.

You're lying, as always.

> And whether supplimentation is an effective
> way to otbain vitamens to begin with.

You're lying, as always.

> But, well, don't let *that* stop you...

None of your shit ever does.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote
>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote

>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml

>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds

>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>> waste of time
>>>>>>>>> and money, say researchers. A review of 30 studies involving
>>>>>>>>> more than 11,000 people found that taking the tablets had no
>>>>>>>>> effect on the average person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>> Last month in fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See a previous response to another doubter which refers to a
>>>>>> study published in "The Lancet".
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a meta-study. I'd be leery of jumping on a bandwagon with
>>>>> only a meda-study holding it up. Especially not when double-blind
>>>>> trials are showing no effect.
>>>>>
>>>>> The suppliment bunch retorted with, "The traditional scientific
>>>>> model does not always apply to dietary supplements..."
>>>>
>>>> Which is a VERY strong pointer that the Scientific Results reflect
>>>> reality!
>>>>
>>>> Whenever you hear that, it is RED FLAG time. They said exactly the
>>>> same thing after each abject and utter failure of Homeopathy under
>>>> "reality" conditions.
>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/yvlpyb
>>>>>
>>>>> Which sounds a lot like faith to me...
>>>
>>> I'm not jumping either way on this one, the studies are too
>>> conflicted. But I'm leery of the suppliment industry. It's an
>>> industry riddled with snake oil. Which is why a vitamen or herb can
>>> be effective but suppliments are still useless. At least here in
>>> the US, nobody's making them put anything in the bottle that has
>>> anything to do with what's on the label.
>>>
>>> Plus, we in the US are too obsessed with magic bullets. We wanna
>>> pop a pill, not have to, oh, eat right or something extreme like that...

>> And there is nothing you can do that will ensure that you never get
>> colds except stay away from everyone on some desert island or
>> lighthouse etc, and thats not a very practical approach for the vast
>> bulk of people.

> Dear dimwit,

Cheap fuckwit,

> WE ALREADY KNOW THAT.

YOUR SHIT IN SPADES.

> Sheesh.

Pfffttt.

> Reading comprehension, try it...

Work on your lines....

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:46a259a5$0$12853$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-
>>> Saddam was still shooting at our planes. He was violating the
>>> ceasefire and UN agreements.
>>> Just let him fester is your answer. Worthless. That's what Clinton
>>> did. There is no answer you'll accept except Bush fucked up.
>>> Bush made a Command decision. Something Clinton never did. Clinton
>>> didn't do jack shit.
>
> And Bush did the same with every warning about bin Laden before 9/11.
> Clintons people told his that Al Queda should be #1 priority - Bush
> did NOTHING.
>>>
>>>> Clinton didn't get us into Iraq. You idiots want to blame
>>>> everything on clinton.
>>>> HE was 4x the quality of president that bushie is. Bushie and
>>>> bushies crew ignored all the warnings from Clinton about Al Queda
>>>> and all the other warnings
>>>> he had before 9/11. He did NOTHING.
>>>
>>> And Clinton did what about it on his watch?
>>> He had the police investigate. How many terrorist attacks
>>> occurred on Clintons watch and what did he do?
>
> He through the culprits in jail. Which is way more than Bush has ever
> done.
>>
>> Even slick would have done something post 9/11.
>>
>>> Guess what Bush did and is still doing? :-)
>
> The wrong thing, obviously.
>
>>
>> Pissing an immense amount of money against the wall in Iraq to no
>> useful purpose.
>>
>> And an unacceptable number of US lives too.
>>
>> His dad had much more of a clue about what made sense with Iraq.
>
> It's not often I approve of anything you say Rod. Is this really Rod
> Speed?
>>
>>>> Let's see. 50% of the foreign fighters captured in Iraq are
>>>> Saudies. Most of the
>>>> 9/11 attackers were Saudies. Most of the Financing of Al Queda
>>>> comes from Saudies. Good idea - lets attack Iran.
>>>
>>> The Saudi's have no nuke program. I see now. You're a "containment"
>>> guy. That means you're willing to wait until a US city is vaporized
>>> to maybe, maybe do something.
>>> Preventing that is what sane people do. Iran's president has stated
>>> exactly what they want to do. As have the terrorists.
>>> You can ignore it. I find loonies typically do.
>
> The loonies in the white house are doing everything in their power to
> promote terrorism.
>
>
>>
>>> What Bush did was smart. History will bear it out.
>>
>> Nope, not with Iraq.
>
> History will without doubt rate Bush II as this nations worst president.

Plenty of doubt, actually.

>>> Clinton will go down with Carter as another inept Democrat.
>>
>> Probably.
>>
>>> You can cherry pick whatever and hindsight all you want.
>>
>> It wasnt hindsight that saw W's dad avoid invading Iraq.
>>
>>> Fortunately people like you aren't in charge
>>
>> You too.
>>
>>> or we'd have had other 9/11s by now.
>>
>> Nope. It was never going to be repeatable once it became
>> obvious what could be done with hijacked aircraft. No one
>> will ever let their plane get hijacked again.
>>
>> Its moved on to much harder stuff to prevent like the london and
>> madrid bombings now.

> And when the next terrorist attack on America occurs, the right wing
> wackos that support Bushie will say it's the Damocratic party's fault, despite the fact that it
> will clearly disprove their "Fight 'em there" theory.

> How the hell can they keep ignoring all the security agency reports coming out saying how much
> worse off we are now?

They have no choice, there aint anyway way to wind the clock back now.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:16 pm
From: "dfr"

Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote in message
> news:46a15921$0$12852$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gZaoi.3$Vc2.2@newsfe21.lga...
>>>> dfr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least what happens in Iraq is kept outside first world
>>>>> countrys. They get to kill each other there instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> That's what has me completely baffled.
>>>>
>>>> 1 - Why do they continue to fight our military in Iraq when they
>>>> could cause much more harm outside Iraq. Certainly is not because
>>>> GW has told them to stay in Iraq.as keeps telling us.
>>>>
>>>> 2 - All they would have to do is stay quiet for 6 months. GW would
>>>> claim visctory, US would leave and bingo - easy pickens.
>>
>>> I think you are missing something if you think Bush ever intends to
>>> leave,
>>
>> His intentions are completely irrelevant.
>>
>>> As soon as we leave, any chance of them passing and following
>>> the proposed oil act will be gone. Then what would have been the
>>> point of invading? They aren't building those permanent bases and
>>> embassy for nothing.
>>
>> The shrub gets no say what so ever on leaving once he's been given
>> the bums rush at the next election, he doesnt even get to run at the
>> next election.
>>
>> So he gets no say what so ever on leaving.
>>
>
> Then again - maybe he's not planning on leaving.

He leaves anyway, planning or not.

> Or maybe he's sure he can steal another election for his "man".

Then he had better give up the wacky weed.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 10:00 pm
From: "Noon-Air"

Please quit cross posting this crap to alt.hvac, nobody cares about all of
the left wing political crap

BTW.....welcome to my killfile

*PLONK*

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:26 pm
From: Jimington

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 04:44:14 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> Where would you invest, Rod Speed?
>
>I dont generally 'invest' in currencys. The most I do is keep
>substantial payments in an appropriate currency etc.
>
>> Australia has had a run up in its dollar. Our US dollar is sucking.
>
>Trouble is that changes are hard to predict, particularly relatively short term ones.
>
>> Don't tell me commodities. That stuff is already played out I bet.
>
>I doubt it. I cant see china ending up with a major problem any time soon.
>
>It is where I have quite a bit of my assets, tho not in the commoditys
>themselves, in operations like BHP Billiton and Rio and Oxiana etc.
>
>> Maybe real estate in Australia?
>
>The trouble with real estate is that is nothing like as flexible.
>I do have a substantial part of my assets in real estate, but
>its easier for me to do than someone outside the country.

I'm not sure if it'd be too easy to find many good places to invest in
Australia right now. The recent boom in prices has swamped what may
have been a good investment a few years ago and the places that still
appear cheap are likely to dwindle to or remain as ghost towns.
>
>> Who is buying all these assets?
>
>Most those who have realised the advantage of buying over renting.
Renting can still be a smart option for some.
>
>> Certainly not the average American, all tapped out of cash.
>
>Yeah, we dont see a lot of americans buying real estate here.
>
>Quite a few SE Asian chinese, mostly to provide them with a bolt
>hole if the brown stuff does hit the fan back in their country of
>origin as does happen periodically, most recently in Indonesia.
>
>Hordes of them send their kids here for education with an eye to
>being able to move here if things come unstuck back in their own
>country again. We have one of the highest immigration rates in
>the entire world, and in fact take more from SE Asia than we do
>from europe and new zealand combined now, and thats very visible
>in the 5 biggest capital citys.
>
There has to be some good reasons for people to live in the big
cities. I have nothing but good memories of computer shops and hot
bread shops run by asians, i wish some of them would move a bit north.

Jim.

http://inghamwebcam.com/
My dull website.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 10:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Where would you invest, Rod Speed?

>> I dont generally 'invest' in currencys. The most I do is keep
>> substantial payments in an appropriate currency etc.

>>> Australia has had a run up in its dollar. Our US dollar is sucking.

>> Trouble is that changes are hard to predict, particularly relatively short term ones.

>>> Don't tell me commodities. That stuff is already played out I bet.

>> I doubt it. I cant see china ending up with a major problem any time soon.

>> It is where I have quite a bit of my assets, tho not in the commoditys
>> themselves, in operations like BHP Billiton and Rio and Oxiana etc.

>>> Maybe real estate in Australia?

>> The trouble with real estate is that is nothing like as flexible.
>> I do have a substantial part of my assets in real estate, but
>> its easier for me to do than someone outside the country.

> I'm not sure if it'd be too easy to find many
> good places to invest in Australia right now.

Dunno, things do look that way at times, but with 20/20 hindsight,
they turn out to have been a lot better than they looked at the time.

> The recent boom in prices has swamped what may have been a
> good investment a few years ago and the places that still appear
> cheap are likely to dwindle to or remain as ghost towns.

Dunno, I cant see the coast dwindling ever, or remaining as ghost towns either.

>>> Who is buying all these assets?

>> Most those who have realised the advantage of buying over renting.

> Renting can still be a smart option for some.

Not very many now. The main problem is that getting started owning
isnt that easy to do, but I bet it ends up still being worth doing if feasible.

>>> Certainly not the average American, all tapped out of cash.

>> Yeah, we dont see a lot of americans buying real estate here.

>> Quite a few SE Asian chinese, mostly to provide them with a bolt
>> hole if the brown stuff does hit the fan back in their country of
>> origin as does happen periodically, most recently in Indonesia.

>> Hordes of them send their kids here for education with an eye to
>> being able to move here if things come unstuck back in their own
>> country again. We have one of the highest immigration rates in
>> the entire world, and in fact take more from SE Asia than we do
>> from europe and new zealand combined now, and thats very visible
>> in the 5 biggest capital citys.

> There has to be some good reasons for people to live in the big cities.

Specially those coming from high density asian citys.

> I have nothing but good memories of computer shops and hot bread
> shops run by asians, i wish some of them would move a bit north.

Yeah, we dont see so many interested in outside the capital citys as we used to.

Corse their possibililitys are much better than they used to be now too.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:33 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <zHSoi.92111$LE1.53703@newsfe13.lga>, Beeblebrox wrote:
>The Real Bev wrote:
>> Don K wrote:
>>
>>> "Roger Shoaf" <shoaf@nospamsyix.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1185078804.702780@news01.syix.com...
>>>
>>>> Why don't you say to the person in front of you that since you have
>>>> 10 items
>>>> or less do you mind if you could cut in front of them as you do have 10
>>>> items or less and this is the 10 items or less lane.
>>>
>>> Has that tactic ever actually worked for you?
>>> From what I've seen, people become very defensive when it's pointed out
>>> they're doing something wrong. Often they turn it around and make it out
>>> like you're the rude one for complaining.
>>>
>>>> That should get the attention of the discourteous person. I suspect the
>>>> cashiers are instructed to ignore the customers that do not pay
>>>> attention to
>>>> the sign.
>>
>> I'm sure they are. I asked one once.
>>
>>> That's true at all stores, not just Walmart. If they can get 90%
>>> compliance
>>> without any enforcement effort at all, that's probably good enough for
>>> them.
>>>
>>> The thing to do if you want to change that is to talk to the manager
>>> after you
>>> go thru the line and suggest they take down the limit signs if they're
>>> not
>>> going to enforce them.
>>
>>
>> No. As soon as you see somebody ahead of you with more than 10 items
>> start yelling for the manager. Don't be shushed. Explain loudly why
>> you need to speak to a manager NOW. Over and over again. Point to the
>> offender with 12 items. Don't stop until you speak with a manager. Do
>> it every single time you need to.
>>
>> Yeah, it might be embarrassing (or possibly fun), but it might also
>> cause the offender to get out of line or convince management that they
>> really should eject similar offenders. Either is a good outcome.
>>
>> If there isn't an open line I use the autocheckout machines. Not as
>> fast as a regular checkstand, but faster than having to wait for one
>> other person to check out. I hate the machine's sweetly reasonable
>> female voice; there should be various options, perhaps a dominatrix who
>> says "Put your merchandise into the sack, you miserable worm, and be
>> quick about it."
>
>lately the self-checks are always busy, with people who have lots of
>stuff, and no idea how to work the machines. Annoying to have to go back
>to the inept cashier as the best option around

What I often see:

4 self-checkout machines watched by one human staffer trying to do a few
jobs at least 2, including security guard as well as customer technical
support. And that staffer appears to me in my experience and "wisdom" to
get that job by knowing checkout scanners and checkout operations and
having some ability to guide others in that process while being slower
than others at doing so himself/herself (faster people get to be the
cashiers).

So I have/had to deal with a slow cashier assisting those ahead of me
and assisting me when I had issues with the self-checkout stations, while
being slowed further by also having to keep on guard as a security guard.

So, when the lines aren't too bad, I let the pros staffing only one
checkout station each do the work, and I shop where the lines are shorter.

=================================================================

I suspect a job opportunity here: (Warning - roughly 2 pages, a bit
ranting!) Pick a supermarket to be your main one, and use and get to know
the self-checkout stations. Get good at it. Get good and fast at it -
for common tasks of retail workers, a job done well is still not worth
doing by you if you can't do it fast and someone else can.
Get to know the staffer or the usual staffers of the self-checkout area.
Get to know a couple or a few others at the same supermarket if you can -
best done if you know when they can spare a minute or two which they often
can't.
Next: Think of a good answer for "Why do you want to work for us?".
Think of an answer using positive terms of your prospective employer, as
opposed to negative terms for your current/previous employer. Employers
tend to prefer to hire those who don't trash their bosses.
After that: Fill out the job application. It will usually have a space
for reason to leave a past job. If you were fired or you just quit, say
so in 1 word - you could get fired for failure to admit that. Don't tell
a story, not even reason for firing/quitting in 10 words or less - someone
who has a story to tell for reason of changing jobs is generally regarded
by prospective employers as less desirable than someone who simply admits
to being fired or up-and-quitted.
The best 2-word reason-for-leaving previous job is "laid off", and if
you are in a job that you are dying to leave it can help if you can
negotiate being laid off rather than quitting or being fired. If such
negotiations don't fare well or if you are not up to that and/or have
expectation of bad outcome of such, then just quit (maybe a better word is
"resign").

The job application may request references. It is a good idea to be
known to employees of your prospective employer. Other than that,
business owners are good for you to know and to be known by as a good
person, since a prospective employer is likely to be a business owner or
answerable to one. After that, it appears to me that neighbors rank above
friends and coworkers of previous jobs, though coworkers of the job you
are leaving I find better than no references at all.

Traditionally, successful prospective employees dress more highly at a
job interview than is usually required at the job. In my experience, most
male supermarket employees wear slacks, a dress shirt and a tie with low
visible presence of tatoos and "body hardware". I would suspect they went
through their interviews with "real shoes" and maybe a blazer or suit
jacket and less-casual slacks. I have not paid as much attention as to
what women should wear in such job interviews, though I suspect women need
to dress "similarly professionally" for interviews and to consider what
women who got hired for such jobs are wearing and to be "a step more
professionally dressed" for the interview.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:40 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <CKQoi.599$hs1.382@newsfe13.lga>, teleflora wrote:
>Are you kidding? I've had clerks wave me into their line when it's obvious
>I've got more than the "allowable".
>
>I don't think they care. I think it's more of a suggestion than anything
>else.

Do thay have a shortage of qualifying customers while facing pressure to
maintain item-per-minute and customer-per-hour figures?

If a cashier is under a sign restricting against some customers and that
causes the cashier to get a shortage of work (and I hardly ever see that)
and the cashier invites you (non-qualifying), then I say by all means
accept the invitation of the cashier over restriction of the sign! If the
express lane cashiers find some need to do that and still have express
lane wait times much shorter than wait time of non-express checkout lanes,
then I say more power to cashiers that can successfully take on the job of
directing traffic in addition to their usual jobs!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 9:59 pm
From: Myal

miles wrote:
> Myal wrote:
>
>> miles wrote:
>
>
>>> Why do you think the best way to help people is to make them
>>> dependent on welfare. All that leads to is oppression. Wins votes
>>> from those dependent though.
>
>
>> you prove the point , your mind cannot cope with any concepts beyond
>> work n welfare ....
>
>
> You prove my point by not answering the question.

when you replied to my post

"is it the end of your little world , work and nanny state ? "

by rattling about welfare ... you kinda lost any intrest for me ,
besides having proved you cannot concieve of anything besides work or
welfare ...

>
> You seem to not accept the fact that it takes money to live. Most of us
> work for it.

You totally miss the point , you absolutely totally miss the point , and
are way past due time to shipped to the knackery / old folks home , your
usefullness as a productive tax paying drone has come to an end , pleas
make way for younger drones who have more to contribute than you .

bye

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 10:16 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Mosh wrote:
> I have a weird situation in my home with a DSL line modem and router
> where we would like to have the modem and router working from and
> located in a locked box, probably around 10" deep, 8 to 10" hight and
> about 4 to 5" high. Hopefully, not interfering with the signal too
> much (it doesn't have to go so far anyway).

Does "interfering with the signal" indicate you are putting a wireless
access point in there? I would think putting an antenna in a Faraday
cage isn't going to help out much. I would look into some material
other than metal.

> I was trying to google for
> it but did not find anything. Maybe there is something out there that
> will suffice us even if it was meant for something else. Would anyone
> have any ideas or leads that I could follow?

A toolbox? Many of them are designed with a spot for a padlock.

Here's a Sears one for $15 that is plastic and has a spot for a padlock:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?pid=00959317000

It's bigger than you said, but not huge.

I suppose you could also try a lunchbox. :-)

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 11:06 pm
From: JackBenny

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:16:00 -0000, irfansmith@gmail.com wrote:

>looking for property in california
>
>weekend getaway place.
>
>- small cottage
>- 1 to 2 bedroom
>- a few hours driving distance away from the San Francisco Bay Area,
>CA (not more than 4 hours driving...prefer less)
>- preferably off a river, lake or great view
>- isolated, quiet, wilderness.
>- hoping not to pay more than 100k - maybe more if required.
>
>Any ideas where such a place could be ?
>Counties ? Cities ?
>off any particular lakes, rivers etc ?
>
>
>Thanks
>I Smith
MAYBE somewhere more like 6 hours away... or way north up towards
Eureka... but not near a river or lake unless it floods or
something... For that kind of $ you're going to be out in the sticks,
not a great place...

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 11:13 pm
From: takecarebro@gmail.com

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 22 2007 11:59 pm
From: "Mikey"

Magic Tricks (My A$$)

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> tricks, bar magic tricks, card tricks, coin tricks, etc. Easy lessons
> and magician secrets revealed. Dedicated for beginners who want to
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>
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>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 23 2007 12:00 am
From: "Mikey"

Magic Tricks (My A$$)

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