Frugal Living: Jan 11, 2008

Friday, January 11, 2008

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TOPIC: Why do People donate clothes to Salvation Army?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 5:06 pm
From: "Guv Bob"

What a dumb ass. BOTH OF YOU. =O)

"Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
news:T7adnf6VMKCmUxnanZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@giganews.com...
> greg3347 wrote:
> > On Jan 8, 11:14 am, "it's life!" <rebounderswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Don't spend $2 to dry-clean a shirt. Donate it to the Salvation
Army
> >> instead. They'll clean it, put it on a hanger. Next morning buy it
> >> back for 50%!
> >>
> >> www.reboundersworld.com
> >
> > greg
> >
>
> Maybe people donate things to make themselves feel better about doing
> something good.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 5:07 pm
From: "Guv Bob"

PS -- Sincere apologies for the previous post. What I meant to write
was .... "you are BOTH REAL DUMB ASSES."

Sorry for the typo.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 5:13 pm
From: clams_casino

Guv Bob wrote:

>PS -- Sincere apologies for the previous post. What I meant to write
>was .... "you are BOTH REAL DUMB ASSES."
>
>Sorry for the typo.
>
>
>"Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
>news:T7adnf6VMKCmUxnanZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>>greg3347 wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Jan 8, 11:14 am, "it's life!" <rebounderswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Don't spend $2 to dry-clean a shirt. Donate it to the Salvation
>>>>
>>>>
>Army
>
>
>>>>instead. They'll clean it, put it on a hanger. Next morning buy it
>>>>back for 50%!
>>>>
>>>>www.reboundersworld.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Maybe people donate things to make themselves feel better about doing
>>something good.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

Except, only a dumb ass top posts..........

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 5:22 pm
From: missussex

On Jan 10, 5:13 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Guv Bob wrote:
> >PS -- Sincere apologies for the previous post. What I meant to write
> >was .... "you are BOTH REAL DUMB ASSES."
>
> >Sorry for the typo.
>
> >"Just A User" <k...@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message
> >news:T7adnf6VMKCmUxnanZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> >>greg3347 wrote:
>
> >>>On Jan 8, 11:14 am, "it's life!" <rebounderswo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>Don't spend $2 to dry-clean a shirt. Donate it to the Salvation
>
> >Army
>
> >>>>instead. They'll clean it, put it on a hanger. Next morning buy it
> >>>>back for 50%!
>
> >>>>www.reboundersworld.com
>
> >>>greg
>
> >>Maybe people donate things to make themselves feel better about doing
> >>something good.
>
> Except, only a dumb ass top posts..........

Seriously, if you have an item of clothing to donate, have it dry
cleaned beforehand and keep the receipt with your tax records. If you
itemize your taxes, the cost of cleaning can be deducted as a
charitable donation (plus the resale value of the item itself).

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 6:25 pm
From:
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>
> Seriously, if you have an item of clothing to donate, have it dry
> cleaned beforehand and keep the receipt with your tax records. If you
> itemize your taxes, the cost of cleaning can be deducted as a
> charitable donation (plus the resale value of the item itself).

Well, DUH! What idiot would donate something PRIOR to having it cleaned?
Eeeuuuwww. Gross. Come on. Typical donation item criteria is: it doesn't
fit, don't like it, don't wear it , blah, blah, but the item is IN GOOD
CONDITION, and clean or you GET IT CLEANED prior to donation. If you can't
meet those basic requirements, perhaps you should be getting donations
rather than giving them, ya think?

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TOPIC: Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla or Mazda, which is best????
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 5:39 pm
From: JTEM

JL <no...@nowheresville.biz> wrote:

> Yep. Maintain the car well and keep it 10 years.

Feh!

I never willingly sunk a dime in maintenance into my
Neon after the (three year) warranty period, and it
lasted an easy 11 years.

What finally killed it was rust damage to the undercarriage.
At one point -- about a year and a half before it was
pronounced dead -- I tried to get an alignment and couldn't.
Everything was just so rusted that they couldn't do it.

Most people OVER maintain their cars. Many people waste
money changing their oil every four or even three thousand
miles. Ironically, when the car companies own the cars and
are responsable for the maintenance costs -- like with some
leases -- twelve thousand mile oil changes are not unusual.

As always, common sense applies. When you buy a new
car you've got to follow the maintenance schedule dictated
by the warranty. Once that expires though, show some
discretion.

If the brakes aren't pulling to one side, making a noise you
never heard before or taking longer to stop you, you shouldn't
be thinking of spending a dime on them.

You should know, from driving your car on a regular basis,
if the alignment is good. If it is don't worry about it. If it
isn't, check your tires. A bad alignment is going to hurt you
most in the tires. If the tires are already on their way out,
you might think about holding out a little longer on the
alignment... having it done when you spring for the new
tires.

IT'S THE TIMING BELT, STUPID.

If there's on piece of preventive maintenance you should do
for your car, it's the timing belt. If it goes while you're on
the road you're not only stuck with a dead car, but any
dealer/mechanic will most likely try to screw you big time
on the repair cost.

"Oh, the timing belt? Well, we'll have to do the valves, too."

Sometimes they do have to, always they'll say they have
to....

Prices vary, but I know one guy who got hit up for a $900
repair bill, for the timing belt plus valve job. Of course,
that was at a dealer, and he most likely could have found
cheaper, but keep in mind it was for a 1995 Escort!

That's one whopping big bill for an old car!

Another piece of preventive maintenance you should consider
is your engine belt... or whatever belt powers your alternator
in your car, if there's more than one belt. Like the timing belt,
if it goes you're stuck with a dead car. However, unlike the
timing belt, it's usually easy and fairly cheaply replaced.

Anyhow, like I said, common sense. Don't skimp on the
parts that could save your life, but do reject the urge to
change your oil every five minutes.

Please, for all our sakes, after your warranty period expires,
tell the Saudis to go pound sand, and change your oil no
more often than 8 thousand miles!

Check it regularly, sure. Add it when it needs it, but get off
the insane 3 or 4 thousand mile oil changes!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 7:07 pm
From: max

In article
<b46d1f31-4b22-405d-86a2-7ff6c5b9e396@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

> JL <no...@nowheresville.biz> wrote:
>
> > Yep. Maintain the car well and keep it 10 years.
>
> Feh!
>
> I never willingly sunk a dime in maintenance into my
> Neon after the (three year) warranty period, and it
> lasted an easy 11 years.
>
> What finally killed it was rust damage to the undercarriage.
> At one point -- about a year and a half before it was
> pronounced dead -- I tried to get an alignment and couldn't.
> Everything was just so rusted that they couldn't do it.
>
> Most people OVER maintain their cars. Many people waste
> money changing their oil every four or even three thousand
> miles. Ironically, when the car companies own the cars and
> are responsable for the maintenance costs -- like with some
> leases -- twelve thousand mile oil changes are not unusual.
>
> As always, common sense applies. When you buy a new
> car you've got to follow the maintenance schedule dictated
> by the warranty. Once that expires though, show some
> discretion.
>
> If the brakes aren't pulling to one side, making a noise you
> never heard before or taking longer to stop you, you shouldn't
> be thinking of spending a dime on them.

Jenny,

Preventative maintenance is kind of a hobby horse for me...
This is not a flame, but a sincere disagreement, so i'm not needling you
for the sake of usenetterly fun.

Preventative maintenance is _preventative_. It should all be done.
Your brakes advice is risky. If one waits until one's brakes are
showing signs of malfunction like noise or pulling to one side, one has
probably deferred necessary repairs to the point that one will incur a
more expensive repair (damaged rotors as an example) than if one had
just had the damn things worked on according to the schedule.

Failure to maintain clean oil will cause premature ring wear, which
leads to blow-by which leads to crank case ventilation system coking
which leads to stuck PCV valves which leads to overload failure of
catalytic converters which can cause even more damage, including heat
damage to the passenger compartment. Just as an example.

In general, ignoring recommended maintenance schedules greatly increases
your likelihood of catastrophic component failure or collateral damage
to components and subsystems.

In a simpler view, the vast overwhelming majority of automobile owners
simply are not even remotely competent nor capable of outsmarting the
periodic maintenence schedule for their vehicle.

A very important subsidiary role of preventative maintenance is the
inspection role, looking for porblems while you've got the equipment
taken apart. Very stitch-in-time stuff, hard to overstate the value of
this.

I don't doubt your neon lasted 11 years, but it was clearly a dangerous
piece of crap road hazard when you finally scrapped it's rusted hulk.
I've seen 11 year old Neons (my SO had one). I'm willing to bet cash
money that your mileage and compression sucked swamp juice and the
transmission stunk by the time you dumped it.

BTW, in the midwest, the single best thing one can do to extend the life
of an old POS chassis/undercarriage is to run it through the car wash
frequently during road-salt conditions. *This is especially helpful*
for older vehicles, once road grit has abraded the anticorrosion coating
from the underbody. The other helpful thing is to assure one's (cold
weather especially) vehicle warms up enough to drive water vapor out of
the engine oil; short trips promote tribological mayonnaise, and that's
just terrible for a car.

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 8:47 pm
From: JTEM

max <betat...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> In a simpler view, the vast overwhelming majority of automobile
> owners simply are not even remotely competent nor capable
> of outsmarting the periodic maintenence schedule for their
> vehicle.

But the manufacturers are, and when the maintenance is on their
dime it DOES NOT take place at the ridiculous frequency/cost
that most people believe it has to occur.

Not even for BMW. Heck, I've had BMW owners tell me that their
"Free Oil Change" takes place every 15,000 miles!

So unless BMWs are falling off the roads left & right from choked
PVC valves and over heated catalytic converters, I'm sticking to
my guns here.

> I've seen 11 year old Neons (my SO had one). I'm willing to bet
> cash money that your mileage and compression sucked swamp
> juice and the transmission stunk by the time you dumped it.

It was a stick shift, so I never suffered those issues.

When it was new the milage sucked like you wouldn't believe...
for anything other than highway driving.

The engine remained fairly strong, all the way to the junk yard.

And, oh, my name is not Jenny.

What no doubt SHORTENED the life of my car was the fact of
it's almost daily use in the first year... a year I put only 2,000
miles on it.

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TOPIC: how to catch a clever mouse?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 6:40 pm
From: Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T)

Trapping requires perseverance and discarding the tactics that don't
work.

Trappers' tales:

Inadvertently I caught a chipmunk. I had a 5 gallon pail in the yard
with about six inches of water in it (to pour on the grass-killing urine
from my dog.) One day a chipmunk hopped up onto it, I suppose expecting
a flat surface on top. It couldn't climb out the slippery sides, and
the water was enough I guess to prevent it from leaping out. The water
level was not over his head really, but high enough that I suppose he
panicked and thrashed about, finally succumbing.

I had what I thought was a mouse living in my garage about 3 months ago.
After he took an entire roll of paper towels and tore it into little
pieces and stuffed it in the rafters, I knew he had to go. I knew he
liked paper towels, so I hung a roll over one of those four-foot high
trash cans. Then I covered the top of the trash can with toilet paper,
and created a pathway to run to the top of the trash can. Sort of like
an African lion trap. In a couple of days he tore off the toilet paper,
and swiped some of the paper towels too. Obviously he was a
mutant-genius rodent.

Then I bought a live trap. It took several days, and I tried several
baits, none of which seemed effective. Eventually I just put the trap
where he hung out, judging by nut shells. One day I came out and I had
trapped a red squirrel, but he was dead. His death is a mystery, as I
think he was in the cage no more than 24 hours.

After a few days I realized there was another varmint in the garage. I
caught another red squirrel, and found him before he died. A neighbor,
who told me you have to release them 5 miles away, took a fancy to him,
and asked me to release him in his back yard. Be serious. I released
him at a nature preserve, although I bet he saw the homes nearby and
headed for them.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 10:48 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dennis wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:42:11 -0000, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
> wrote:
>
>>Once, my mother had a mouse problem; I set four traps in her utility room.
>>Later, I found three traps with dead mice and no bait; the fourth had both
>>bait and mouse. That was a clear indication there were none left. Contrary
>>to what the manufacturers say, the scents on a mousetrap don't deter them.
>>They'll raid the bait with a dead sibling within an inch.
>
> No argument regarding the sentiments of mice :-). However I have on
> many occasions found unsprung traps with the bait gone. The little
> buggers must have an incredibly light touch, since I cannot contact
> the trigger of the trap with a straw lightly enough to avoid springing
> the trap.

Maybe they subcontracted the job to the roaches.

--
Cheers,
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TOPIC: Lead in vacuum cleaner cord?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 7:02 pm
From: Gordon

me@privacy.net wrote in news:offco3ls6tm7mt9oe33i0153p9dinbqpmp@4ax.com:

>>No, it's in the cord PVC itself..... where you will be
>>touching it.
>
> OK
>
> So is it a "real" threat? Or not even worth worrying
> abt if washing hands after use?

This is a new one for me. In ordinary use you probably
have nothing to worry about. THe danger comes if the
cord gets damaged, by running over it with the vacumme
cleaner for instance. Or burning it. In those cases
minute particles of plastic with lead in them can be
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TOPIC: New Amish heaters ?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 7:10 pm
From: Gordon

chuck_ford_0098@webtv.net (Chuck Ford) wrote in news:28145-47863AE7-161
@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net:

> Anyone tried them? Supposed to be very eficient..I think the amish
> build and install the heater in a rollaround mantel...
> I got a flyer in the mail recently and they sound great but are not
> cheap...Thanks for feedback...
>
I saw the ad in a local paper. I'm not sold. For one, the
"flames" looked exactly the same in every picture. Which
probably meant that they are nothing more than a standard
electric heater with a prety picture of a fire pasted to the
front, placed into a fancy wood box.

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TOPIC: Free-after-rebate hybrid car in US?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 8:19 pm
From: fruitella

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Picture here :
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That means, the Nano could easily be free after rebate!

But I bet the american & japanese auto industry will sabotage that
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 10 2008 9:03 pm
From: JTEM

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