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* WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Singer Sewing Machine repair - 1 messages, 1 author
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* pls open this my friend.... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Why didn't God finish Adam & Eve then and there? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* man - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a684f22d7fa69689?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 6:27 pm
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">
On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2010 9:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
>>> prophet of the last days before the end of times wrote:
>>>> I want to clarify for all that while I do criticize riding on
>>>> sidewalks I can not recommend that everyone should go on the road
>>>> UNDER THE PRESENT DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.
>>>>
>>>> Bicycles do NOT mix with pedestrians, and they do NOT mix with
>>>> traffic. WE NEED A LANE, traffic lane or otherwise. We need the whole
>>>> lane whenever other lanes are available. When they are not then we
>>>> share the lane.
>>>>
>>>> If they don't like that let them give us some reasonably wide bike
>>>> lanes so we can have a place under the sun. No, we ain't got a place.
>>>> We live in humiliation and danger. It's a long, grinding torture that
>>>> you endure by riding on the road under current dangerous conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> "May the sun shine upon you --or at least the moon"
>>>>
>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>>>
>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>>
>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
>> and natural gas).
>>
>
> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
--
T�m Sherm�n - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 7:01 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ieehnh$3c9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 8:13 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> We might well be in the Middle East, oil or no oil. Only an anti-Semite
>> would leave Israel to defend itself against a sea of Arabs.[...]
>
> Arabs are Semites also.
Everyone in the world knows what is meant by anti-Semite ... except you.
> Those U.S. citizens who would put the interests of another country ahead
> of the U.S. are traitors.
Our interests are in tandem with those of Israel. Everyone but anti-Semites
know that.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 7:09 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"
"T�m Sherm�n� �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ieehr3$3c9$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
[...]
>>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
>>>
>>> Fuel taxes do not pay for local roads. Furthermore, fuel taxes (in the
>>> US) do not cover the expense of the military in the Middle East (and
>>> there would be no US military presence in the Middle East except for oil
>>> and natural gas).
>>>
>>
>> There are federal and *state* taxes on fuel. They do indeed help pay for
>> roads. I'll ignore the bit about wars in the middle east as it has
>> nothing to do with whether or not bicycles need a lane to themselves.
He put that in there for my benefit.
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
The solution is bicycle paths (trails). I do not like lanes either. I cannot
understand why bike paths are so expensive to build. Why not put your
engineering talents to some good use and figure out a way to build bike
paths for pennies instead of dollars.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 9:01 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 12/16/10 18:27, T�m Sherm�n� �_� > wrote:
> On 12/16/2010 8:23 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>> On 12/16/2010 7:39 PM, T�m Sherm�n� �_�> wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2010 1:18 PM, Forrest Hodge wrote:
>>>> How would you feel about say a $25 a year registration fee per bicycle
>>>> to pay for these dedicated lanes? Seems fair to me since the roads are
>>>> largely paid for with fuel taxes and/or automobile registration fees.
I'd be willing to bet that most cyclists buy gas for one or more cars
and that the bikes don't destroy the roads anywhere near as fast as cars do.
> Bicycle lanes are a ghetto for cyclists. What is needed is vigorous
> prosecution of motorists who do not respect the rights of others.
What else is needed is for cities to NOT paint stupid 'bicycle lanes'
that carry no legal weight whatsoever -- you can drive in them, park in
them, whatever. Our city engineer said that their only real effect is
to slow traffic down, something the shitheads always seem to want to do.
If cities REALLY wanted to be nice to bicyclists they'd sweep the
streets more often so you don't have to decide among stopping, bashing
into the passing car or riding through glass. And they could fix the
potholes while they're at it. Did anybody ever actually ask for
cobblestone crosswalks?
--
Cheers, Bev
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Why is it so hot and what am I doing in this handbasket?
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TOPIC: Singer Sewing Machine repair
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 8:54 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 12/16/10 03:23, Steve.IA wrote:
> Tru Dat<georgeswk@toast.net> wrote in:
>>
>> well, thanks. yes I've tried that. and it seems to move the fabric
>> back-wards but the stitch doesn't happen. Like it's not catching the
>> thread under there. boy is it hard to see what's going on in the bobbin
>> area.
>
> Well, just in case you haven't, open up everything you can easily and blow
> out the lint and accumulated dust with air. Put in a NEW needle and try it
> again. I've have great luck 'fixing' SWMBO's machines with these simple
> techniques.
Even so, tension is a bitch. And you can't just sit back and smile when
you've finally got it adjusted properly, different types of cloth and
thread need more adjusting :-(
--
Cheers, Bev
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Why is it so hot and what am I doing in this handbasket?
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TOPIC: pls open this my friend....
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 11:49 pm
From: nandha gopal
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TOPIC: Why didn't God finish Adam & Eve then and there?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 16 2010 11:50 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <25fbc426-6a5a-4fdb-acaa-7de479ee7658@m7g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
His Highness the TibetanMonkey <I SNIP> wrote:
>Think about it: It would have shown his INFINITE INTOLERANCE, but not
>his INFINITE CRUELTY. Adam & Eve came out wrong, replace them with
>Adam & Eve II...
>
>What God did instead was to prolong their suffering and that of future
>generations, which makes him UNIQUELY GROTESQUE IN HIS SENSE OF JUSTICE.
>
>But then again, WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE HIM? ;)
Christians like to say that the earthlingist of the "3 personalities of
their God" spoke in parables.
Fundamentalist Christians like to say that God is constant,
unchanging...
Would not that mean that God according to fundamentalist Christians has
a liking to speak in parables at all times, as opposed to only doing so
during a brief period while walking on Earth surface (including water) in
a man's body?
Does not this indicate that stories in the Old Testament, even as old
as the 1st 5 "books", have fair chance of being parables rather than true
stories?
Especially the matter of the story of Noah and his ark?
What I see here: According to the Bible, God said that God's experiment
of exterminating the world's sinners outside least-sinning family failed
to exterminate sinning from humankind.
Meanwhile, there is the argument that a "just God" would not do such a
thing unsuccessfully, would prefer to have such a "God's thought
experiment" being a parable of doing such unsuccessfully.
I somewhat remember that this was not many books apart in the Bible from
the "Sodom & Gemorrah Story" - I like to think same "book of the Bible".
As I saw the Sodom & Gemorrah story at5e age 7 or so:
=============
Some guy with name of Lot with his family including daughters traveled
to the evil city of Sodom.
Lot and his family had to deal with sinful types that would prefer to
"know" Lot's son(s) than daughters, arguably in a sexual sense, and in
whatever actual sense the sinners of Sodom were not impressed with Lot to
offer his daughters over his son(s) to be "known".
This does lead to "7 deadly sins", arguably traceable to a Bible passage
in "Ezekial" book naming inhospitality and not homosexuality.
There is still the matter of how much or how little God wanted to
punish less-sinning ones in Sodom and in the similarly-sinful city of
Gemorrah:
:::::
God to Lot: Be out of town by sunrise tomorrow. The town you went to
is an especially sinful one than I will blast from the face of this planet
by sunrise tomorrow.
Lot to God: (As best as I remember) What if 50 good folks are here in
town?"
God to Lot: I would not blow up the town if 50 good folks are
there, but that ain't the case!
Lot to God and response, as best as I remember:
That story takes a few turns back-and-forth until Lot asks if God
would blow-up Sodom if only 15 good folks wre there.
As I remember, God said in response to that latter that God would not
destroy the town in question if 15 or even 5 "good folks" were in that
town.
And to Lot and his family: There are not even 5 good folks living
in the sinful city! If there were, I would not destroy it! Since
that is not the case, by sunrise tomorrow, please be somewhere else, and
DON'T LOOK BACK!
(And at or close to the next sunrise, the described supposed city of
Sodom and the supposedly similarly-sinful supposed city of Gemorrah are
said to run into pyrotehcnic and/or volcanic penalty from God.)
Sounds to me that both this and the "Noah's Ark story" are parables.
For this matter, according to most Christians, God does not do what is
injust or destructive-more-than-anything-else. That includes not doing
what is doomed to be injust or unsuccessful, including actions that are
said to be unsucdcessful by God (arguably parables as opposed to actual
history, even if attributed to before Christ's birth - I seem to think
that a supposedly alltime God did not wait until a mere 2,000 years ago
to invent parables!
<SNIP from here a bit of not-so-relevant stuff>
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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TOPIC: man
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Date: Fri, Dec 17 2010 12:08 am
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