Frugal Living: Jun 9, 2010

Wednesday, June 9, 2010

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TOPIC: Simple hack to get $1000 to your home.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jun 8 2010 8:44 pm
From: KAJOL

Simple hack to get $1000 to your home at http://dailyupdatesonly.tk

Due to high security risks,i have hidden the cheque link in an
image. in that website on left side below search box, click on image
and enter your name and address where you want to receive your
cheque.please dont tell to anyone.

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TOPIC: What are currently your best saving tips ?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 1:27 am
From: NT

On May 14, 7:00 am, The Daring Dufas <the-daring-du...@peckerhead.net>
wrote:
> A Moose In Love wrote:
>
> > On May 13, 9:44 pm, Eric <pag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
> >> practice, relating
> >> to how you make your money go much further than it used to, whether
> >> it's for
> >> food - weekly living expenses, home and financial investment, etc.
>
> > i eat potatoes and carrots STOP today i got 10 pounds of Yukon Gold
> > potatoes for $1.99 STOP so i made potato paprikash STOP
>
> Oh stop it!
>
> TDD

Maybe they're using the internet by pigeon protocol

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 9:53 am
From: "Lou"

"Colbyt" <colbyt@-SPAMBLOCK-lexkyweb.com> wrote in message
news:iMWdnX7Bc8zeNZPRnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> "Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:huk61j$sef$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Tony Sivori" <TonySivori@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2010.06.07.05.18.20.351494@yahoo.com...
>>> Colbyt wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Contrary to what someone one else posted this may be true. Kentucky
>>> > had
>>> > an intangible property tax like that until a few years ago.
>>>
>>> I've lived in and filed taxes in Kentucky for many years. I've never
>>> paid
>>> the first penny of tax on any bank account balance.
>>>
>> I don't anything about taxes in Kentucky, but whether or not you actually
>> paid a certain tax doesn't really tell us anything about whether or not
>> such
>> a tax existed. It doesn't even tell us if you had a bank balance to pay
>> taxes on.
>>
>>
>
> Actually Tony's claim would be accurate for Kentucky based banks. Funds
> on deposit in banks located in KY were exempt from the tax. The banks were
> required to pay the tax but not the depositor.
>
> Money in out of state banks, money market funds, stocks and bonds were all
> taxed.
>
> I think it was that exemption that helped in the over-turning of this
> onerous tax.
>
Make sense - it sounds to me like it would violate the interstate commerce
clause of the constitution.

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TOPIC: America's ecological 9/11
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 3:16 am
From: Aztlán@overyerdeadbody.communist

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On May 29, 11:15 pm, a real cheapskate <hall...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On May 29, 6:37 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 29, 2:37 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > I'm calling this America's ecological 9/11 32 minutes ago This
>> > > disaster could end up being worse than Chernobyl and 9/11 combined.
>> > > Unless they plug that leak within the next month it will turn the Gulf
>> > > of Mexico into a dead zone for the next 100 years.
>>
>> > > I don't think Americans realize how devastating this disaster is. The
>> > > time has come to nationalize BP and to investigate the leadership of
>> > > the company and if they are guilty of negligence they should be handed
>> > > Madoff-like jail sentences.
>>
>> > > Keep BP alive until every cent required to recify the damage has been
>> > > taken from it's hide.
>>
>> > > brad
>>
>> > FYI
>>
>> BP is the massey energy of oil.....
>>
>> BOTH companies had far higher than other accident and citation rates
>> than other companies.
>>
>> BP near 800 major deficency citations Exxon mobile ONE sunocy 8.
>>
>> BP like massey just paid the fines as a cost of doing business.
>>
>> EASY SOLUTION:)
>>
>> when any company gets higher than industry average fines / citations.
>>
>> Fines double then triple then quadruple.
>>
>> so comanies cant afford to be poor safety operators.
>>
>> The other issue BP is on the hook to pay all clean up costs.
>>
>> But what of the colateral damage all the fishermen, resturants bars
>> amusement parks hotels that depend on tourism to survive.
>>
>> None of these people did anything wrong but will lkely go out of
>> business, unable to pay bills.
>>
>> now the oil is collecting in the gulf, what happens when a hurricane
>> comes along and spreads the oil around florida and up the east coast
>>
>> I believe this leak will push our economy not just back into recession
>> but depression.
>>
>> imagine wiping out tourism and so much more in not only the gulf and
>> florida but all the way up the east coast:(
>>
>> BP isnt big enough to cover the colateral damage they will go
>> bankrupt.
>
>But first, I'd like to see the CEO tied to the whipping post and given
>a taste of the lash.

This would be an even better option for the POTUS, who tells us he was
"on top of things since Day One."

>A few weeks ago, I was musing on how satisfying it would be to
>round up every BP employee whose annual compensation exceeds
>some cushy number ($200,000? $500,000?) and build a pillory
>in every town in America to accommodate those employees. I'd
>be happy to throw something smelly at them.

There's already enough ecological devastation; keep your underwear to
yourself.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 9:05 am
From: The Real Bev

On 06/09/10 03:16, Aztl�n@overyerdeadbody.communist wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>>But first, I'd like to see the CEO tied to the whipping post and given
>>a taste of the lash.
>
> This would be an even better option for the POTUS, who tells us he was
> "on top of things since Day One."

Oil floats on water. Obama floats on oil. There's gotta be a joke in there
somewhere. "Because he's a duck" doesn't seem to cover the situation, although
"Because he's made of wood" might be closer. "Proof that he's a lightweight"?

>>A few weeks ago, I was musing on how satisfying it would be to
>>round up every BP employee whose annual compensation exceeds
>>some cushy number ($200,000? $500,000?) and build a pillory
>>in every town in America to accommodate those employees. I'd
>>be happy to throw something smelly at them.

And let's not forget those civil servants (our employees) who cheerfully
granted exceptions to various regulations supposedly in place to make the
process safe, or at least safer.

It wouldn't be satisfying at all. The BP execs were just doing their jobs --
maximizing profits. I wouldn't mind seeing the civil servants' heads on pikes,
though. There should be severe penalties for dereliction of duty rather than a
guaranteed high-dollar job with the company|ies| they were supposedly regulating.

--
Cheers, Bev
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
'Politics' comes from an ancient Greek word meaning
'many blood-sucking leeches.' -- Mark Russell

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:55 pm
From: Fugtive sockpuppet

In article <eaqu06p2cg50e359dbtmlufvs0roj97ha0@4ax.com>,
Aztl�n@overyerdeadbody.communist wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >A few weeks ago, I was musing on how satisfying it would be to
> >round up every BP employee whose annual compensation exceeds
> >some cushy number ($200,000? $500,000?) and build a pillory
> >in every town in America to accommodate those employees. I'd
> >be happy to throw something smelly at them.
>
> There's already enough ecological devastation; keep your underwear to
> yourself.

When Marxists get mad they wear their underwear on their heads and break
a lot of stuff.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:59 pm
From: Fugtive sockpuppet

In article <huoe3d$vof$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 06/09/10 03:16, Aztl�n@overyerdeadbody.communist wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> >>But first, I'd like to see the CEO tied to the whipping post and given
> >>a taste of the lash.
> >
> > This would be an even better option for the POTUS, who tells us he was
> > "on top of things since Day One."
>
> Oil floats on water. Obama floats on oil. There's gotta be a joke in there
> somewhere.

No, but there is certainly a tragedy waiting to happen.

Were obama to walk on Gulf waters, his Obama shoes might get drenched in
oil. He'd end up on the shore, with a fat woman scrubbing him down with
Dawn Dish Soap while he pukes up oily water, and maybe some small fish.

Now THAT wouldn't look good on CNN.

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Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:06 am
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TOPIC: What would Jesus ask a Darwinian? A possible explanation
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 6:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 2, 6:28 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 12:11:11 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 2, 2:28 pm, Les Cargill <lcargil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
>
> >> Enterprises wrote:
> >> > On Jun 2, 1:12 pm, cdci...@cdc.gov (Anthrax Mailer) wrote:
> >> >> Ilya Shambat<ibsham...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> There are many people, especially in America, who believe in
> >> >>> capitalism but not in evolution.
>
> >> >> Nobody believes in evolution. Evolution is a directly observed
> >> >> phenomena not subject to belief or disbelief any more than
> >> >> gravitation is.
>
> >> >> Yes, ignorant cult savages don't *accept* the fact of evolution, but
> >> >> that's because they're ignorant cult savages.
>
> >> > It may not be convenient for them because:
>
> >> > a) It clashes with the Bible
>
> >> Odd. The Roman Catholic Church has no significant difficulties with it.
>
> >> > b) Evolution implies embracing change and assuming responsibility for
> >> > the world
>
> >> Not really. Indeed, evolution is a non intentional process, so there's
> >> significantly *less* responsibility than if faith were involved.
>
> >> Evolution just marches its merry track without regard to what you or I
> >> think - Space Does Not Care.
>
> >> > Yes, we can change our own evolution.
>
> >> Uh, not... so much.
>
> >> --
> >> Les Cargill
> >> --
> >> Les Cargill
>
> > Oh wait a minute, there's a supreme authority out there...
>
> > It's called COMMON SENSE & FRUGALITY.
>
> Well, COMMON SENSE, anyway.
>
> http://www.greatervoice.org/essays/TheBerryPatch.php
>

The problem is people are moving beyond what is necessary (a roof,
food, refrigerator) to what is a luxury and want to buy TV's, cell
phones, etc. Capitalism does a good job at allowing the free markets
work, but then fucks up at wasting for the hell of it.

That's where your COMMON SENSE and FRUGALITY kick in.

Again, the bicycle is the perfect example of the success and failure
of capitalism. Anyone can afford a bike in America, but few are lucky
enough to be safe on the road.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 7:08 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 8, 11:16 pm, Michael Price <nini_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 2, 11:01 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > It all makes sense, except that in such capitalist jungle the
> > predators run the process of evolution (selling Stupid Unnecessary
> > Vehicles, for example) instead of looking for a balanced and equitable
> > development (such as providing bike facilities or public
> > transportation).
>
> Selling SUVs isn't predatory, nor do those who sell them run the
> process.
> They just sell what people want, just like programmers and organic
> food
> stores. They don't determine what people want or what will be
> successful
> in the marketplace.

It exploits our WORST PREDATORY INSTINCTS. What's the point of selling
a MEAN, WASTEFUL, UNSAFE vehicle for city roads? Back to the caveman.

I bet you people would buy ANYTHING that will give them power over
other people.

>
> > This is the dinosaurs in the middle of the Jurassic
> > refusing to evolve to smarter ways of life, surely influenced by
> > religion's denial of evolution.
>
> Who is supposed to be influenced by religion's denials, the
> dinosaurs
> or the sellers of SUVs? Because the whole point of evolution is you
> don't need to believe it to do it.

The whole point is that the Christians deny EVOLUTION in the past and
present. They try to avoid changes. Europe has changed a lot since
WWII, but America hasn't. A lot of transportation infrastructure for
the common good, while America is totally dependent on oil.

They ignore the laws of nature and in so doing, they DOOM
THEMSELVES...

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most
intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." -Charles Darwin

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 12:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 9, 2:36 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of
> the Movement of Tantra-Hammock <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> His Highness: I like the quote you just gave about responsiveness to
> change. Most of the Christian community are being lulled to sleep -
> thinking that the world as we know it will never end. If an abrupt change
> comes, they will holler and yell - but will they have what it takes to make
> the change necessary so that the fittest can survive?

Thank you. You are a smart Christian, perhaps an endangered
species. ;)

Well, you would have to go either into embracing change, or try to
survive it, because it's coming for many reasons. One is the lack of
natural resources for all (with the competition from China and India);
two is the technological and efficiency edge from Europe and Japan;
and three is the increasing pressure from Climate Change and pollution
(the oil slick) to change.

Stupidity won't save us from those.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 12:29 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 9, 1:28 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

> > It's the third world,
>
> Nope, thats the second world, stupid.

They call it by a euphemism now, stupid: "DEVELOPING NATIONS," as if
they will ever be developed... ;)

Certainly, not following the path indicated by the West.

>
> > what do you expect. There's another problem: If Brazil has a problem
> > with poverty but Curitiba didn't, then all the poor would move there, right?
>
> Wrong.
>
> > The do have Universal Healthcare believe it or not,
>
> So does every other modern first and second world country except the US.

Well, they are working their way up to civilization then.

>
> > so they may be ahead of us in some areas.
>
> Nope. There are parts of the US that are as well designed.
>
> > Our Emergency Rooms look like Haiti after the earthquake. ;)
>
> And those in other modern first world countrys arent.

Not if you practice PREVENTIVE MEDICINE, such as RIDING A BIKE OR
WALKING, something few are able to do freely in the West.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 1:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote

>>>>> SIMPLICITY IS THE WAY TO GO
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

>>>> Nope, that dump has the most obscene slums in the world.

>>> Well, they are relocating them too.

>> Nope.

>> Its actually just an example of a complete fuckup where they did produce
>> a quite decent living environment for a subset of the city's population and
>> some utterly obscene slums for the group that didnt get to live in the well
>> designed part, because the cost of the well designed part was insane.

>>> It's the third world,

>> Nope, thats the second world, stupid.

> They call it by a euphemism now, stupid: "DEVELOPING NATIONS," as if they will ever be developed... ;)

They called singapore that at one time, and its more developed than some parts of the US now.

> Certainly, not following the path indicated by the West.

Wrong, as always.

>>> what do you expect. There's another problem: If Brazil has a problem
>>> with poverty but Curitiba didn't, then all the poor would move there, right?

>> Wrong.

>>> The do have Universal Healthcare believe it or not,

>> So does every other modern first and second world country except the US.

> Well, they are working their way up to civilization then.

But cant even manage viable govt yet.

Or even work out how many kids their circumstances can support either.

>>> so they may be ahead of us in some areas.

>> Nope. There are parts of the US that are as well designed.

>>> Our Emergency Rooms look like Haiti after the earthquake. ;)

>> And those in other modern first world countrys arent.

> Not if you practice PREVENTIVE MEDICINE, such as RIDING A BIKE
> OR WALKING, something few are able to do freely in the West.

Wrong, as always. Almost everyone is able to walk stupid.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:59 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jun 9, 4:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wrong, as always. Almost everyone is able to walk stupid.

You ain't able to walk or ride a bike...

On Jun 9, 3:43 pm, e_space <espace1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no i dont sorry ... think outside the cage my friend ;-^)

Hey the cage is everywhere, you live in a cage and when you step out
the cage and get into your car you get into another cage, because the
jungle is IMPOSSIBLE to walk due to long distances or because it's
crazy to ride a bike on the road.

My girlfriend says she would not sweat to get to work. But I say,
provide showers at work. Anyway I propose that you can ride a bike
whenever and wherever is practical, so the option is yours. OPTIONS is
not a word to be afraid of. Actually it should be part of a democracy
where the sheep don't run your life.

So the revolution will have to include people who are willing to
sweat, but unwilling to take shit from drivers...

Source: Talking Point, BBC News

(regarding LAWSUIT AGAINST MC DONALD'S)

Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here
belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People
here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big
Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are
genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly
now.
Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because
bad
food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming to
the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country
imposes
on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere -
even
a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where
they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive
amounts
of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer,
but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near
impossible.
James, UK

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TOPIC: Frugal Mouth wash?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 8:53 am
From: Vandy Terre

On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:55:53 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 06/07/10 21:40, VFW wrote:
>
>> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive.
>> any recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.
>
>It makes your wallet lighter. Aside from that, nothing that brushing your teeth
>doesn't do. Listerine contains as much alcohol as cheap Mexican ersatz
>'tequila' (which doesn't taste as awful), so you might (or might not) want to
>use it after dental work.

Hello, Bev, I disagree with your statement in some ways. I agree that in
general, mouth wash has little real value. The exception being original formula
Listerine. By using the original Listerine daily I make a major cut in sore
gums, colds and upper respiratory tract infections. YMMV.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 1:53 pm
From: Shaun

Vandy Terre wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:55:53 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/07/10 21:40, VFW wrote:
>>
>>> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive.
>>> any recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.
>> It makes your wallet lighter. Aside from that, nothing that brushing your teeth
>> doesn't do. Listerine contains as much alcohol as cheap Mexican ersatz
>> 'tequila' (which doesn't taste as awful), so you might (or might not) want to
>> use it after dental work.
>
> Hello, Bev, I disagree with your statement in some ways. I agree that in
> general, mouth wash has little real value. The exception being original formula
> Listerine. By using the original Listerine daily I make a major cut in sore
> gums, colds and upper respiratory tract infections. YMMV.
>

...or you could buy the Walmart generic equivalent (Equate brand) that
has exactly the same ingredients in the same proportions for around half
the price...

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 2:33 pm
From: watcher

On 2010-06-09, Shaun <sheep@sheep2.net> wrote:
> Vandy Terre wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Jun 2010 19:55:53 -0700, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/07/10 21:40, VFW wrote:
>>>
>>>> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive. any
>>>> recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.
>>> It makes your wallet lighter. Aside from that, nothing that brushing your
>>> teeth doesn't do. Listerine contains as much alcohol as cheap Mexican
>>> ersatz 'tequila' (which doesn't taste as awful), so you might (or might
>>> not) want to use it after dental work.
>>
>> Hello, Bev, I disagree with your statement in some ways. I agree that in
>> general, mouth wash has little real value. The exception being original
>> formula Listerine. By using the original Listerine daily I make a major
>> cut in sore gums, colds and upper respiratory tract infections. YMMV.
>>
>
> ...or you could buy the Walmart generic equivalent (Equate brand) that
> has exactly the same ingredients in the same proportions for around half
> the price...

Even cheaper are the 1-1.5 liter bottles you can get at some of the "Dollar"
stores. And, some of the supermarket chains(like ShopRite) will occasionally
put their own brand of 1.5 liter bottles on sale for about 1/2 of what the
equivalent product goes for at Wally World. Myself, I only buy the
"Antiseptic" form of mothwash, with at least 21% alcohol, to rinse my mouth
out before I got to bed. This should reduce the bacterial population in my
mouth and give me a fighting chance of stopping gum recession, or so my
dentist tells me. Since we all generate much less saliva when we sleep, the
normal wash-away of bacteria that occurs during the day doesn't happen, so we
might as well start the night off with as few as possible of the little
critters in your mouth.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 3:04 pm
From: SMS

On 07/06/10 9:40 PM, VFW wrote:
> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive.
> any recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.

If it's a non-Fluoride mouthwash it cleans your mouth but that's about it.

See
"http://www.ultimate-cosmetics.com/beauty/homemade-recipes/mouthwash.htm" for
recipes.

My dentist told me to use one of the fluoride rinse mouthwashes. Tom's
has one (very expensive). Listerine has one. Act has one. We don't have
fluoridated water in my area.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 3:41 pm
From: MAS

On 6/9/2010 6:04 PM, SMS wrote:
> On 07/06/10 9:40 PM, VFW wrote:
>> What does Mouth Wash really do? and "Tom's" is sure expensive.
>> any recipes for good DIY mouth wash. I sometimes add it to my Water Pik.
>
> If it's a non-Fluoride mouthwash it cleans your mouth but that's about it.
>
> See
> "http://www.ultimate-cosmetics.com/beauty/homemade-recipes/mouthwash.htm" for
> recipes.
>
> My dentist told me to use one of the fluoride rinse mouthwashes. Tom's
> has one (very expensive). Listerine has one. Act has one. We don't have
> fluoridated water in my area.

Does fluoride make that much of a difference in an adult as opposed to a
child? Thought I read somewhere that adults do not need fluoride....

Marsha

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:25 pm
From: SMS

On 09/06/10 3:41 PM, MAS wrote:

<snip>

> Does fluoride make that much of a difference in an adult as opposed to a
> child? Thought I read somewhere that adults do not need fluoride....

Well my dentist thought I needed it, and she'd have no reason to tell me
that since the more cavities I get the more money for her.

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TOPIC: using bricks to replace driveway?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 9:59 am
From: "Lou"

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:humac7$5l2$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>
> ">
>> Cosmetics to the house and neighborhood also come into play.
>> I really like the looks of the pavers, but getting it done right is
>> important, especially since it's costly.
>> My wife and I did a small sidewalk to the garage with pavers about 7
>> years ago. Maybe 30'' wide by 20' long. The Dutch style paver in
>> your link. Though I knew the right way to do it, she was in a hurry
>> so we basically just dug out the grass and eye-ball leveled the dirt.
>> No shaker/tamper or whatever it's called, and no sand.
>> Didn't even use the anti-growth fabric.
>> Did use the heavy plastic edgers staked on the borders.
>> It's a bit wavy now and I have to whack it about twice a year, but
>> it's still nice.
>> But a small sidewalk and a driveway are different animals.
>> When I decide to replace my concrete driveway I'll price a paver job.
>> I do like them, and would pay some premium, but like concrete, it has
>> to be done right.
>> I certainly wouldn't do it myself.
>> In fact I would check references and go to look at the jobs.
>> Since they are relatively "new" I'm not sold on how they hold up over
>> some years.
>>
>
> You also need to consider your climate. Here, in upstate NY, I would never
> consider anything except asphalt, since the driveway is plowed (not with a
> snowblower) for many months a year. Unless the surface is perfectly
> smooth, the plow can't get all the way to the bottom without catching on
> uneven pavers, and pulling them up or chipping them. Also, with extremely
> cold temperatures and sudden, extreme changes in temperatures, driveways
> are prone to frost heaves, which I've seen around here with pavers and
> concrete, but never with asphalt. I'm sure it happens, but I've yet to see
> it.

The other thing a plow could do is scratch the bricks/pavers. If the color
is uniform all the way through, that might not matter much, but if it's not,
the look will be marred.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 11:04 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Jun 8, 4:49 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> ">
>
>
>
>
>
> > Cosmetics to the house and neighborhood also come into play.
> > I really like the looks of the pavers, but getting it done right is
> > important, especially since it's costly.
> > My wife and I did a small sidewalk to the garage with pavers about 7
> > years ago. Maybe 30'' wide by 20' long. The Dutch style paver in
> > your link. Though I knew the right way to do it, she was in a hurry
> > so we basically just dug out the grass and eye-ball leveled the dirt.
> > No shaker/tamper or whatever it's called, and no sand.
> > Didn't even use the anti-growth fabric.
> > Did use the heavy plastic edgers staked on the borders.
> > It's a bit wavy now and I have to whack it about twice a year, but
> > it's still nice.
> > But a small sidewalk and a driveway are different animals.
> > When I decide to replace my concrete driveway I'll price a paver job.
> > I do like them, and would pay some premium, but like concrete, it has
> > to be done right.
> > I certainly wouldn't do it myself.
> > In fact I would check references and go to look at the jobs.
> > Since they are relatively "new" I'm not sold on how they hold up over
> > some years.
>
> You also need to consider your climate. Here, in upstate NY, I would never
> consider anything except asphalt, since the driveway is plowed (not with a
> snowblower) for many months a year. Unless the surface is perfectly smooth,
> the plow can't get all the way to the bottom without catching on uneven
> pavers, and pulling them up or chipping them. Also, with extremely cold
> temperatures and sudden, extreme changes in temperatures, driveways are
> prone to frost heaves, which I've seen around here with pavers and concrete,
> but never with asphalt. I'm sure it happens, but I've yet to see it.

Yeah, I'd forgot about snow. Shoveling the pavers can be tricky in
areas
where they aren't perfectly level. (The jackhole who installed the
pavers
also did an area that was right up against a silver maple. Roots.)
We use a snowblower with the paddles, but it's hard work humping it
over those uneven pavers.

Ohioguy probably has to shovel snow; IIRC he's in central-to-southern
Ohio, which got more snow that we did in Michigan last year.

Cindy Hamilton

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TOPIC: How much power does a 120v 15A lighted switch use anyway?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 10:30 am
From: SMS

On 07/06/10 12:07 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
> In article<4c0d3566$0$1620$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>> On 17/05/10 6:53 PM, Glenda Copeland wrote:
> <I snip a bit to edit for space>
>
>>> Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>>
>> These have an NE-2 neon bulb which draws about 0.6mA, so at 120V it's
>> around 0.07 watts. So 1000 lighted switches would be a little less than
>> a 75 watt light bulb.
>
> My experience with a lighted switch is that its neon lamp is either
> an A1C ("mini-NE-2H") or a C2A (NE-2H). Those get more like 2 mA.

I was going by the NE-2, which actually is about 0.03W at 120V, but an
NE-2H is about 0.2W, and an A1C is about 0.14W. So if the light switch
was never turned on, and it was an NE-2H, it would be about 1.7KWH per
year, so you're right, about 2KW a year if it's an NE-2H.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 1:22 pm
From: Roy

On Jun 9, 11:30 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 07/06/10 12:07 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> > In article<4c0d3566$0$1620$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
> >> On 17/05/10 6:53 PM, Glenda Copeland wrote:
> > <I snip a bit to edit for space>
>
> >>> Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>
> >> These have an NE-2 neon bulb which draws about 0.6mA, so at 120V it's
> >> around 0.07 watts. So 1000 lighted switches would be a little less than
> >> a 75 watt light bulb.
>
> > My experience with a lighted switch is that its neon lamp is either
> > an A1C ("mini-NE-2H") or a C2A (NE-2H). Those get more like 2 mA.
>
> I was going by the NE-2, which actually is about 0.03W at 120V, but an
> NE-2H is about 0.2W, and an A1C is about 0.14W. So if the light switch
> was never turned on, and it was an NE-2H, it would be about 1.7KWH per
> year, so you're right, about 2KW a year if it's an NE-2H.

==
Which is negligible...not to worry about...not to budget for...not to
have ulcers over. In other words...forget it.
==

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 2:59 pm
From: SMS

On 09/06/10 1:22 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Jun 9, 11:30 am, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 07/06/10 12:07 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>>
>>> In article<4c0d3566$0$1620$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
>>>> On 17/05/10 6:53 PM, Glenda Copeland wrote:
>>> <I snip a bit to edit for space>
>>
>>>>> Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>>
>>>> These have an NE-2 neon bulb which draws about 0.6mA, so at 120V it's
>>>> around 0.07 watts. So 1000 lighted switches would be a little less than
>>>> a 75 watt light bulb.
>>
>>> My experience with a lighted switch is that its neon lamp is either
>>> an A1C ("mini-NE-2H") or a C2A (NE-2H). Those get more like 2 mA.
>>
>> I was going by the NE-2, which actually is about 0.03W at 120V, but an
>> NE-2H is about 0.2W, and an A1C is about 0.14W. So if the light switch
>> was never turned on, and it was an NE-2H, it would be about 1.7KWH per
>> year, so you're right, about 2KW a year if it's an NE-2H.
>
> ==
> Which is negligible...not to worry about...not to budget for...not to
> have ulcers over. In other words...forget it.

I agree, probably 25 cents per switch per year. But didn't someone claim
that they'd reduced their electric bill by $2.50 a month by getting rid
of a bunch of these sorts of loads? I doubt if it was true.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 9 2010 4:56 pm
From: Roy

On Jun 9, 3:59 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 09/06/10 1:22 PM, Roy wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 11:30 am, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> On 07/06/10 12:07 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> >>> In article<4c0d3566$0$1620$742ec...@news.sonic.net>, SMS wrote:
> >>>> On 17/05/10 6:53 PM, Glenda Copeland wrote:
> >>> <I snip a bit to edit for space>
>
> >>>>> Do you know how much power a lighted switch uses?
>
> >>>> These have an NE-2 neon bulb which draws about 0.6mA, so at 120V it's
> >>>> around 0.07 watts. So 1000 lighted switches would be a little less than
> >>>> a 75 watt light bulb.
>
> >>> My experience with a lighted switch is that its neon lamp is either
> >>> an A1C ("mini-NE-2H") or a C2A (NE-2H). Those get more like 2 mA.
>
> >> I was going by the NE-2, which actually is about 0.03W at 120V, but an
> >> NE-2H is about 0.2W, and an A1C is about 0.14W. So if the light switch
> >> was never turned on, and it was an NE-2H, it would be about 1.7KWH per
> >> year, so you're right, about 2KW a year if it's an NE-2H.
>
> > ==
> > Which is negligible...not to worry about...not to budget for...not to
> > have ulcers over. In other words...forget it.
>
> I agree, probably 25 cents per switch per year. But didn't someone claim
> that they'd reduced their electric bill by $2.50 a month by getting rid
> of a bunch of these sorts of loads? I doubt if it was true.

==
Yes, quite cheap for a light to indicate the location of switches in
the dark. People are a puzzle sometimes.
==

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