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TOPIC: White Obama Fans Get a Critical and Dire Warning From South Africa..
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:27 pm
From: toiyuturhfh@googlemail.com
by Alan Stang
November 6, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening
here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
whether you recognize any of this.
By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of
the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa
(but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future
Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar
to those that destroyed our country.
America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups,
your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved
or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the
world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem
it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to
losing your Western character.
Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting
fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences,
writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are
comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for
yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political
accountability.
But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White
Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to
challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result
of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to
cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots,
intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for
proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and
political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power
from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt
cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately
their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was
there and I saw it happen.
South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth.
Then Washington intervened.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the
sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National
Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to
achieve "peace."
Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an
innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said
in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have
been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.
Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are
builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for
our society.
The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts
and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the
psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and
Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in
perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia
- is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet
Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to
America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves.
The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation
of the Western conscience of compassion.
Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and
its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and
savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western
politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps:
the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside
the realm.
Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia
exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did
this.
It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough
people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the
armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the
craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy
them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of
Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North
America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We
are not so very different from you.
South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?
We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad
(not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and
"racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white
man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his
compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your
neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's
history.
See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about
the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government
schools.
The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western
influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's
tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in
Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would
deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing
whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled
by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After
receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust
against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will
capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They
don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they
were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise
and be nice.
A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting
somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about
falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the
meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their
community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted
and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into
their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't
want to quarrel.
In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws.
But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by
court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority
says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge
"white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled
with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition
187 has already been overturned
What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change
the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer
want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white
"racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying
the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official
language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first
targets were our national symbols.
In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now
experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the
decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the
banishment of your history from the education of the young; the
revolutionization of your justice system.
In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail.
Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear.
Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making
escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly
purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your
neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that
litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of
witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for
"medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in
the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome
generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial
solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.
When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world,
white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring
him to surrender.
When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents,
ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and
siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his
friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and
declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In
South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds
such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply
abandoned.
What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either
destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the
goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as
in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy
votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or
devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the
most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa
is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no
getting it back again.
Please note. Once it's gone, it's gone. Whatever you do later, however
hard you fight, you cannot get it back.
Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot
fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You
cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot
appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises
you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his
political opponents.
To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to
people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the
test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will
probably fail.
Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake:
They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and
George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your
possessions, your power, and your status.
And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
your Christian charity, and your good will.
They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
weaknesses well.
They know what to do.
Do you?
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=83332
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:31 pm
From: Tom
On Nov 6, 8:27 pm, toiyutur...@googlemail.com wrote:
> by Alan Stang
> November 6, 2008
> NewsWithViews.com
>
> I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
> election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
> was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening
> here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
> South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
> comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
> whether you recognize any of this.
>
> By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
> journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
> parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
>
> People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of
> the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa
> (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
>
> Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future
> Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar
> to those that destroyed our country.
>
> America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups,
> your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved
> or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the
> world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem
> it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to
> losing your Western character.
>
> Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting
> fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences,
> writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are
> comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for
> yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political
> accountability.
>
> But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White
> Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to
> challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result
> of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to
> cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots,
> intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for
> proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and
> political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power
> from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt
> cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately
> their way of life.
>
> That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was
> there and I saw it happen.
>
> South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth.
> Then Washington intervened.
>
> Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the
> sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National
> Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to
> achieve "peace."
>
> Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an
> innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said
> in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have
> been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.
>
> Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are
> builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for
> our society.
>
> The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts
> and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the
> psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and
> Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in
> perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia
> - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet
> Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to
> America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves.
> The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation
> of the Western conscience of compassion.
>
> Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and
> its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and
> savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western
> politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps:
> the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside
> the realm.
>
> Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia
> exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did
> this.
>
> It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough
> people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the
> armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the
> craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy
> them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
>
> White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of
> Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North
> America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We
> are not so very different from you.
>
> South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?
>
> We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad
> (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and
> "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white
> man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his
> compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your
> neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's
> history.
>
> See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about
> the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government
> schools.
>
> The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western
> influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's
> tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in
> Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would
> deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing
> whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
>
> Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled
> by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After
> receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust
> against their benefactors.
> From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will
> capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They
> don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they
> were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise
> and be nice.
>
> A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting
> somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about
> falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the
> meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their
> community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted
> and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into
> their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't
> want to quarrel.
>
> In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws.
> But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by
> court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority
> says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge
> "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled
> with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition
> 187 has already been overturned
>
> What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change
> the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer
> want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white
> "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying
> the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official
> language?
>
> Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first
> targets were our national symbols.
>
> In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now
> experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the
> decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the
> banishment of your history from the education of the young; the
> revolutionization of your justice system.
>
> In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail.
> Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear.
> Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making
> escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly
> purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
>
> What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your
> neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that
> litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of
> witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for
> "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
>
> Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
>
> Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in
> the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome
> generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
>
> In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial
> solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.
> When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world,
> white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring
> him to surrender.
>
> When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents,
> ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and
> siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his
> friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and
> declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
>
> Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In
> South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds
> such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply
> abandoned.
>
> What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either
> destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the
> goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as
> in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy
> votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or
> devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the
> most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa
> is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
> Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no
> getting it back again.
>
> Please note. Once it's gone, it's gone. Whatever you do later, however
> hard you fight, you cannot get it back.
>
> Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot
> fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You
> cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot
> appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises
> you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his
> political opponents.
>
> To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to
> people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the
> test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will
> probably fail.
>
> Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake:
> They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and
> George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your
> possessions, your power, and your status.
>
> And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
> activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
> fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
> your Christian charity, and your good will.
>
> They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
> weaknesses well.
>
> They know what to do.
>
> Do you?
>
> http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=83332
Why would a legitimate journalist need a pseudonym?
Tom
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:33 pm
From: clouddreamer
toiyuturhfh@googlemail.com wrote:
> by Alan Stang
<bullshit snipped>
You can't compare S. Africa to the US. The US population of blacks is
13%. It's 80% in Africa...and there, the whites were the immigrants.
<sheesh> Face it. You guys have run out of straws.
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oCYW4ScUnw
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 7:00 pm
From: Thanatos
In article
<8afc0180-003d-437b-83fc-0749b063dc44@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
Tom <drsoong@aol.com> wrote:
> > By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
> > journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
> > parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
> Why would a legitimate journalist need a pseudonym?
Because in many parts of the world, being politically incorrect can get
you hacked to pieces.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 7:06 pm
From: Tom
On Nov 6, 9:00 pm, Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> In article
> <8afc0180-003d-437b-83fc-0749b063d...@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
> > > journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
> > > parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
> > Why would a legitimate journalist need a pseudonym?
>
> Because in many parts of the world, being politically incorrect can get
> you hacked to pieces.
Doesn't do much for his/her credibility, not to mention standing up
for his/her convictions.
Tom
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 7:34 pm
From: Ed Stasiak
> clouddreamer
>
> You can't compare S. Africa to the US. The US population of blacks is
> 13%. It's 80% in Africa...and there, the whites were the immigrants.
The author is making a comparison between Black Africans
in South Africa and Mexicans and other Hispanics in the U.S.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 10:14 pm
From: "LT"
.
And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
your Christian charity, and your good will.
They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
weaknesses well.
They know what to do.
Do you?
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=83332
Wait there just a minute... I'll make you a tin-foil hat... Remember...
shinny side out.
LT
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 8:39 pm
From: garrethhume@yahoo.com
On Nov 6, 9:31 pm, Tom <drso...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 8:27 pm, toiyutur...@googlemail.com wrote:
>
> > by Alan Stang
> > November 6, 2008
> > NewsWithViews.com
>
> > I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
huge snip
> > They know what to do.
>
> > Do you?
>
> >http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=83332
>
> Why would a legitimate journalist need a pseudonym?
Why would you quote hundreds of lines to tack on a single sentence.
[btw I'm doing you a favor as most people would simply skip over it
and nmev4rer read your comment.]
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 8:49 pm
From: richard
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:27:09 -0800 (PST), toiyuturhfh@googlemail.com
wrote:
>by Alan Stang
>November 6, 2008
>NewsWithViews.com
>
>I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
>election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
>was imposed on South Africa � by the United States � is now happening
>here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
>South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
>comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
>whether you recognize any of this.
>
Totally fucking wrong.
S Africa was 100% black before a very small band of whites entered the
scene and began enslaving the stupid illiterate natives. Where in
American history do you see this happening?
Mandela was not imprisoned for his so called terrorism threats. He was
imprisoned because he dared to buck the white controlled government.
It was not just one time, but several times.
This so called warning seems to have been written by someone who has
little experience with American politics and getting the facts right.
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TOPIC: Best election analysis: 'GOP allowed neo-cons and Zionists to control
the party and the neo-cons/zionists lead us right over a cliff'
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d2f014ebaa45a022?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 6:52 pm
From: Dennis
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:32:05 -0600, Dick Cheney
<wool-pulling@peoples.eye> wrote:
>In article <9ke6h4lhisdt5t2m5g4uag48469plqaq19@4ax.com>,
> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Which guy was that? I'm not a republican nor McCain supporter.
>
>The guy you DID support! You know, the one you didn't support. Like all
>those Republicans you never voted for. Obviously, you are neither a
>Republican nor a McCain "supporter". You speak in meaningless code. If I
>must guess, you supported Nobody, because Nobody will cut your taxes.
Pretty much what I expected -- another incoherent babbler. Come back
when you can write something remotely intelligible.
Or don't.
Dennis (evil)
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Date: Thurs, Nov 6 2008 8:26 pm
From: bulka
I once got some 100% cranberry juice - don't remember why. Was in the
fridge, unopened, for a while. When I finally opened it - yow! Very
bitter, more than sour. Undrinkable. I think it must be sold to be
mixed with something else. Mixed with apple or something else mild,
just to the extent of getting some color, cranberry flavor, some bite
- makes sense to me.
m
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