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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 12:34 am
From: SMS


On 11/24/2010 8:10 PM, Gordon wrote:

> Now you have to buy a phone from PagePlus.

No, you can use any old Verizon phone from a postpaid account, but not a
new Verizon Impulse phone anymore.

> And their
> customer service sucks. If you can even reach them.

Funny thing is that their customer service used to not suck. It's gotten
much worse in the past couple of years. Very rude, once you finally
reach them. And they just lost some case regarding their unlimited
service not being unlimited, and them disconnecting customer using too
many minutes and texts on unlimited.

Still, by far the best priced and best coverage prepaid provider.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 12:44 am
From: SMS


On 11/24/2010 8:12 PM, The Real Bev wrote:

> The bad part is that I get really crappy reception in my house, although
> it improves enough to actually use if I walk to the front of the
> neighbor's house.

I once had 1900 MHz GSM on Pacific Bell Wireless (which turned into
Cingular, then they sold the 1900 MHz network to T-Mobile).

I had to go outside across the street to have reception on T-Mobile (nee
Cingular, nee Pac Bell Wireless). I would be doing conference calls with
Asia at night, outside, on my cell, taking notes on a clipboard. The
neighbors must have thought I was a drug dealer. I dropped that service
as soon as the contract was up, thank goodness back then it was only one
year contracts. A couple of years ago T-Mobile finally added a tower for
better reception in my neighborhood. That tower took about eight years
from the time it was proposed to be put in.

T-Mobile is improving coverage in urban areas (where most of the
customers are) but coverage is worsening in rural areas as roaming
agreements with AT&T expire. Drive to Yosemite from the Bay Area and
you'll have no coverage in the valley even though AT&T has a cell there.
Same issue all over the Bay Area once you get outside the urban areas.
But you can still call 911 if there's a signal.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 7:47 am
From: "h"

>
> I can't explain it better than that, I know that I have so many minutes
> and buy a month worth of time for $5.99. I rarely use minutes and these
> may last me for years. I have a cell that does all I need for about
> $70/year.
> I'm not shilling for tracfone, don't know to compare it to anything, just
> know how it works for me. YMMV.

Yup,.the minutes last forever and the phone is $70 a year. Can't beat it.


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 8:26 am
From: Vic Smith


On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:12:07 -0800, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>The bad part is that I get really crappy reception in my house, although
>it improves enough to actually use if I walk to the front of the
>neighbor's house. The other bad part is the crappy Samsung T-319 phone
>-- I have to put it on 'speaker' to hear it when I put it next to my ear
>and the camera is only 640x480 and costs me 25 cents to send to myself.
> Who knew you had to specify that the phone should have some sort of
>USB connection?

We have simple phones. Think they were about 50-60 bucks each.
I hate the Nokia my wife bought me for my birthday.
She has a Motorola flip and it's a much better phone ergonomically.
Much easier to see/work buttons and the angled shape when talking is
more "natural" for me. Better display and speaker too.
We get good T-Mobile coverage where ever we go, which is luck, because
when we bought we didn't do any homework first.
I take back what I said before about only making one call with it
locally.
Used it 5 or 6 times at home to call Comcast to get my cable land line
service restored.
Never thought I'd miss Ma Bell twisted pair, but sometimes I do.

--Vic

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 4:43 pm
From: The Real Bev


On 11/25/10 08:26, Vic Smith wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:12:07 -0800, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>The bad part is that I get really crappy reception in my house, although
>>it improves enough to actually use if I walk to the front of the
>>neighbor's house. The other bad part is the crappy Samsung T-319 phone
>>-- I have to put it on 'speaker' to hear it when I put it next to my ear
>>and the camera is only 640x480 and costs me 25 cents to send to myself.
>> Who knew you had to specify that the phone should have some sort of
>>USB connection?
>
> We have simple phones. Think they were about 50-60 bucks each.
> I hate the Nokia my wife bought me for my birthday.
> She has a Motorola flip and it's a much better phone ergonomically.
> Much easier to see/work buttons and the angled shape when talking is
> more "natural" for me. Better display and speaker too.
> We get good T-Mobile coverage where ever we go, which is luck, because
> when we bought we didn't do any homework first.
> I take back what I said before about only making one call with it
> locally.
> Used it 5 or 6 times at home to call Comcast to get my cable land line
> service restored.
> Never thought I'd miss Ma Bell twisted pair, but sometimes I do.

I don't. We still have it, along with a basic powered-by-the-phoneline
phone along with a couple of modern ones that are useless during an AC
power outage.

Question: Do cell towers contain antennae for all the companies that
want to rent space or does each tower belong to one company and is used
by only that company?

--
Cheers, Bev
**********************************************
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 7:03 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


This moral dilemma is obviously for women. But hey, it could be your
wife too! So what's your take on this hot issue.

I'm trying to stay away from flying just to play it safe. What are the
Libertarians among us --the disciples of Ayn Rand-- saying on this
respect?

Just another reason to fund fast trains...

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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 7:35 am
From: Charmin


On Nov 25, 10:03 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
Spirits of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This moral dilemma is obviously for women. But hey, it could be your
> wife too! So what's your take on this hot issue.
>
> I'm trying to stay away from flying just to play it safe. What are the
> Libertarians among us --the disciples of Ayn Rand-- saying on this
> respect?
>
> Just another reason to fund fast trains...
>
> CHECK THIS OUT:
>
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40314817/ns/today-today_fashion_and_bea...
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

Awe, come on.
You ain't flying because you don't have a pot to piss in.
TSA may be checking trains and buses soon anyway.


== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 8:10 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 10:35 am, Charmin <char...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 10:03 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Awe, come on.
> You ain't flying because you don't have a pot to piss in.
> TSA may be checking trains and buses soon anyway.

I want to travel by big ship. But I may reduce my travel accordingly.
Canoe is still my favorite.

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 8:13 am
From: "Bill"


> So what's your take on this hot issue.
>

Well if I had one, they would be welcome to inspect it.

I keep hoping they will give me a complete strip search, but maybe
they can tell I would like it too much?

The most I have ever had done was a pat down. I told the lady she
could rub may back some more - and she grinned...

But that is the way I am. I've always been a warm "touchy feely"
hugging type person, so don't mind these things in the least. But I
know there are other people who do not like to be touched at all.

Also these people are just doing their job. I smile at them and tell
them to have a good day.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 8:22 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 11:13 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > So what's your take on this hot issue.
>
> Well if I had one, they would be welcome to inspect it.
>
> I keep hoping they will give me a complete strip search, but maybe
> they can tell I would like it too much?
>
> The most I have ever had done was a pat down. I told the lady she
> could rub may back some more - and she grinned...
>
> But that is the way I am. I've always been a warm "touchy feely"
> hugging type person, so don't mind these things in the least. But I
> know there are other people who do not like to be touched at all.
>
> Also these people are just doing their job. I smile at them and tell
> them to have a good day.

Look at it from the other perspective: What if your lady companion got
horny!? Wouldn't you be jealous? Touchy issue, huh?

OK, here's another touchy issue...

On Nov 25, 11:10 am, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 10:07 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 10:28 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 24, 12:16 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> > > Spirits of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 24, 10:58 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" <ilbeba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 24, 9:22 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
> > > > > of the Jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > This moral dilemma is obviously for women. But hey, it could be your
> > > > > > wife too! So what's your take on this hot issue.
>
> > > A cat may look at a king ...http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cat+can+look+at+a+king
> > > ... but may a king look at a cat?
>
> > Pussycats are a touchy issue.
>
> The problem seems to be that for the TSA, they are a touchy feely
> issue.
>
> > There's no respect for women? How about
> > if they carry a toy that looks like dynamite?
>
> How about if a terrorist wears a tampon made of dynamite? Wouldn't you
> want it found? If so, how would you suggest that it be found?

This is another touchy issue: Stay away from planes!

I'm already staying away from cycling due to the unnecessary risks
involved it it, so anything that invades my privacy or threatens my
life I stay away from.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 9:49 am
From: "Bill"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
>
> Look at it from the other perspective: What if your lady companion
> got horny!? Wouldn't you be jealous?
>

No. I'm not the jealous type. My way of thinking is this: "If you love
something, set it free, it if returns, it is yours."

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 10:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 12:49 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
>
>
>
> > Look at it from the other perspective: What if your lady companion
> > got horny!? Wouldn't you be jealous?
>
> No. I'm not the jealous type. My way of thinking is this: "If you love
> something, set it free, it if returns, it is yours."

Hey, those airport bastards may be taking advantage of people like
you.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 10:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 11:56 am, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <p...@hovnanian.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>
> > This moral dilemma is obviously for women. But hey, it could be your
> > wife too! So what's your take on this hot issue.
>
> > I'm trying to stay away from flying just to play it safe. What are the
> > Libertarians among us --the disciples of Ayn Rand-- saying on this
> > respect?
>
> > Just another reason to fund fast trains...
>
> Nope. TSA is considering expanding its screening program to other modes of
> public transportation (trains, buses, etc.). Look at what happened in
> London and Spain as justification.

C'mon, it's simply too expensive. The bastards will grind us down.

Just another reason to ride a bicycle...

>
> > CHECK THIS OUT:
>
> >http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40314817/ns/today-today_fashion_and_bea...
>
> I'm going to need a bigger leaf.
>
> --

How about this... I 'd need a banana tree leaf.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 4:46 pm
From: The Real Bev


On 11/25/10 09:49, Bill wrote:

> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
>>
>> Look at it from the other perspective: What if your lady companion
>> got horny!? Wouldn't you be jealous?
>
> No. I'm not the jealous type. My way of thinking is this: "If you love
> something, set it free, it if returns, it is yours."

If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it.

A Slashdotter suggested a new TSA policy: "Due to heavy holiday
traffic, passengers will be required to grope each other. Have a nice day."

--
Cheers, Bev
**********************************************
"I've had a Lucas pacemaker for years and have
never experienced any prob


== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 6:25 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 7:46 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/25/10 09:49, Bill wrote:
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey&  the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
>
> >>  Look at it from the other perspective: What if your lady companion
> >>  got horny!? Wouldn't you be jealous?
>
> > No. I'm not the jealous type. My way of thinking is this: "If you love
> > something, set it free, it if returns, it is yours."
>
> If it doesn't, hunt it down and kill it.

Give her a pat on her shoulder and say, "Hasta la vista, baby!" Then
shoot her in the back. Oh c'mon, those times are gone forever. ;)

>
> A Slashdotter suggested a new TSA policy:  "Due to heavy holiday
> traffic, passengers will be required to grope each other.  Have a nice day."

If it ain't selective groping then it's no good.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 8:15 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


(Hey, hey, we are talking deep, deep issues here, not what you think!)

On Nov 24, 1:11 pm, Dead Kennedy <dead.kenn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Nov 24, 3:46 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
> of the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 3:40 am, Dead Kennedy <dead.kenn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 24, 12:46 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> > > Spirits of the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 23, 7:01 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:32:26 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> > > > > Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>
> > > > > > This is the main difference I find b/ the American Right and the European
> > > > > > Right. Maybe it's because Mussolini was nationalist and Americans are
> > > > > > individualists.
>
> > > > > > Then Margaret Thatcher came along and it was all over. I don't know, I
> > > > > > just want an efficient transportation system.
>
> > > > > > It's a complicated issue, but the trains are still running...
>
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#Effects_of...
>
> > > > > > (perhaps not as fast as in France)
>
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > > > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > > > > Ayn Rand made the trains run on time!
>
> > > > She did? I didn't she was into toy trains.
>
> > > > > Something no politician seems to be able to make happen, no matter how
> > > > > much money they throw at AMTRAK...
>
> > > > Hey, the Japanese can make the trains run on time. The Europeans can
> > > > make the trains run on time. Anyone with a sense of cooperation can
> > > > make them run on time.
>
> > > oh god, when you are lauding other societies in order to bolster your
> > > agenda, it helps if your facts are right.
>
> > Do I have an agenda? Yes, I do. But it's not a "hidden agenda"...
>
> quite right.

Most politicians are in the closet and even pretend to be Christian,
you know.
>
>
>
> > Actually, I propose a "Dutch Package," where issues normal to the
> > Dutch --gay rights, bike facilities, prostitution and marijuana-- are
> > discussed in less open societies.
>
> > NOTICE: I'm taking a free ride on the gay bandwagon. ;)
>
> watch the trombonist, he has wandering hands.

I'll tell tell him, "Hey dude, that thing in my pocket is a banana!"
>
>
>
> > >http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/millions-miss-out-on-p...
>
> > > If millions are missing out, how many trains are running on time?
>
> > I've said Thatcher ended the good-old traditions and failed to
> > modernize England at the same time. She was a friend of Reagan, and
> > you know what he meant for the United Selfish of America.
>
> The problems you highlight in American society are mostly as bad in
> europe, I would suggest that is because we are to a greater or lesser
> extent following an american model tho'. just dont assume that europe
> is some sort of liberal/hippy paradise. I wish it were.

Watch the tube... all the contamination comes via TV. Stay with the
BBC shows and NATURE programs. Watch that lion roar... ;)


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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 2:45 pm
From: Forrest Hodge


On 11/25/2010 11:15 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
> (Hey, hey, we are talking deep, deep issues here, not what you think!)
>
> On Nov 24, 1:11 pm, Dead Kennedy<dead.kenn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Nov 24, 3:46 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Free Spirits
>> of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 3:40 am, Dead Kennedy<dead.kenn...@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 12:46 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Free
>>>> Spirits of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Nov 23, 7:01 pm, Hachirokuハチロク<Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:32:26 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the
>>>>>> Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> This is the main difference I find b/ the American Right and the European
>>>>>>> Right. Maybe it's because Mussolini was nationalist and Americans are
>>>>>>> individualists.
>>
>>>>>>> Then Margaret Thatcher came along and it was all over. I don't know, I
>>>>>>> just want an efficient transportation system.
>>
>>>>>>> It's a complicated issue, but the trains are still running...
>>
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#Effects_of...
>>
>>>>>>> (perhaps not as fast as in France)
>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>>>>>> Ayn Rand made the trains run on time!
>>
>>>>> She did? I didn't she was into toy trains.
>>
>>>>>> Something no politician seems to be able to make happen, no matter how
>>>>>> much money they throw at AMTRAK...
>>
>>>>> Hey, the Japanese can make the trains run on time. The Europeans can
>>>>> make the trains run on time. Anyone with a sense of cooperation can
>>>>> make them run on time.
>>
>>>> oh god, when you are lauding other societies in order to bolster your
>>>> agenda, it helps if your facts are right.
>>
>>> Do I have an agenda? Yes, I do. But it's not a "hidden agenda"...
>>
>> quite right.
>
> Most politicians are in the closet and even pretend to be Christian,
> you know.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Actually, I propose a "Dutch Package," where issues normal to the
>>> Dutch --gay rights, bike facilities, prostitution and marijuana-- are
>>> discussed in less open societies.
>>
>>> NOTICE: I'm taking a free ride on the gay bandwagon. ;)
>>
>> watch the trombonist, he has wandering hands.
>
> I'll tell tell him, "Hey dude, that thing in my pocket is a banana!"
>>
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/millions-miss-out-on-p...
>>
>>>> If millions are missing out, how many trains are running on time?
>>
>>> I've said Thatcher ended the good-old traditions and failed to
>>> modernize England at the same time. She was a friend of Reagan, and
>>> you know what he meant for the United Selfish of America.
>>
>> The problems you highlight in American society are mostly as bad in
>> europe, I would suggest that is because we are to a greater or lesser
>> extent following an american model tho'. just dont assume that europe
>> is some sort of liberal/hippy paradise. I wish it were.
>
> Watch the tube... all the contamination comes via TV. Stay with the
> BBC shows and NATURE programs. Watch that lion roar... ;)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

You mean BBC shows like Top Gear that celebrate the car and mock public
transportation and environazis? I have every episode from 2002-onwards
on my computer.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 3:49 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 25, 5:45 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/25/2010 11:15 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>
>
>
> > (Hey, hey, we are talking deep, deep issues here, not what you think!)
>
> > On Nov 24, 1:11 pm, Dead Kennedy<dead.kenn...@live.co.uk>  wrote:
> >> On Nov 24, 3:46 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey&  the Free Spirits
> >> of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> On Nov 24, 3:40 am, Dead Kennedy<dead.kenn...@live.co.uk>  wrote:
>
> >>>> On Nov 24, 12:46 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey&  the Free
> >>>> Spirits of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Nov 23, 7:01 pm, Hachirokuハチロク<Tru...@e86.GTS>  wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:32:26 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey&  the
> >>>>>> Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> This is the main difference I find b/ the American Right and the European
> >>>>>>> Right. Maybe it's because Mussolini was nationalist and Americans are
> >>>>>>> individualists.
>
> >>>>>>> Then Margaret Thatcher came along and it was all over. I don't know, I
> >>>>>>> just want an efficient transportation system.
>
> >>>>>>> It's a complicated issue, but the trains are still running...
>
> >>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatisation_of_British_Rail#Effects_of...
>
> >>>>>>> (perhaps not as fast as in France)
>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>>>>>>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> >>>>>> Ayn Rand made the trains run on time!
>
> >>>>> She did? I didn't she was into toy trains.
>
> >>>>>> Something no politician seems to be able to make happen, no matter how
> >>>>>> much money they throw at AMTRAK...
>
> >>>>> Hey, the Japanese can make the trains run on time. The Europeans can
> >>>>> make the trains run on time. Anyone with a sense of cooperation can
> >>>>> make them run on time.
>
> >>>> oh god, when you are lauding other societies in order to bolster your
> >>>> agenda, it helps if your facts are right.
>
> >>> Do I have an agenda? Yes, I do. But it's not a "hidden agenda"...
>
> >> quite right.
>
> > Most politicians are in the closet and even pretend to be Christian,
> > you know.
>
> >>> Actually, I propose a "Dutch Package," where issues normal to the
> >>> Dutch --gay rights, bike facilities, prostitution and marijuana-- are
> >>> discussed in less open societies.
>
> >>> NOTICE: I'm taking a free ride on the gay bandwagon. ;)
>
> >> watch the trombonist, he has wandering hands.
>
> > I'll tell tell him, "Hey dude, that thing in my pocket is a banana!"
>
> >>>>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/millions-miss-out-on-p...
>
> >>>> If millions are missing out, how many trains are running on time?
>
> >>> I've said Thatcher ended the good-old traditions and failed to
> >>> modernize England at the same time. She was a friend of Reagan, and
> >>> you know what he meant for the United Selfish of America.
>
> >> The problems you highlight in American society are mostly as bad in
> >> europe, I would suggest that is because we are to a greater or lesser
> >> extent following an american model tho'. just dont assume that europe
> >> is some sort of liberal/hippy paradise. I wish it were.
>
> > Watch the tube... all the contamination comes via TV. Stay with the
> > BBC shows and NATURE programs. Watch that lion roar... ;)
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> You mean BBC shows like Top Gear that celebrate the car and mock public
> transportation and environazis?  I have every episode from 2002-onwards
> on my computer.

No, I meant nature shows mostly. PBS has a good chunk of BBC shows and
they are pretty cultural. The problem with American shows is the level
of violence and the SUV as the symbol of power in a subliminal
way.That show you mention is pretty sick maybe just stupid, as you may
see here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfSS0ZXYdo

I think they did something on the bicycles in Cuba. Some people adapt
mowing motors to bikes. I don't like bicycles as the only option as
they degrade the bicycle. Have they ever been fair? How about a show
on Amsterdam or Copenhagen where bicycles do work?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 9:58 am
From: "Bill"


When you pay off a loan early, they want to drag the process out as
long as possible so they can continue to charge you interest.

So if you owe say $10,000.00 and want to pay that off early, send in a
payment for $9,950.00 to principal. Then this immediately stops
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if it takes 2 weeks or whatever as they will only have $50 to continue
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 10:48 am
From: info_at_1-script_dot_com@foo.com (spendwize.com)


You must notify the agency whenever you earn any money. otherwise, at the
end of the year when she receives her 1099 or W-2 statement, which her
employer will submit to the goverment, she may have to repay some of the
unemployment!
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> Hello All:

> A friend who had been unemployed for almost 20 moths, found contract
> work.

> Does she supposed to let the EDD (name of the unemployment office here
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> She says just not returning the form EDD sends you with your last
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> Thanks,

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 12:42 pm
From: Kompu Kid


Even if she stopped collecting unemployment by not requesting checks?

Thanks,

Deguza

On Nov 25, 10:48 am, info_at_1-script_dot_...@foo.com (spendwize.com)
wrote:
> You must notify the agency whenever you earn any money. otherwise, at the
> end of the year when she receives her 1099 or W-2 statement, which her
> employer will submit to the goverment, she may have to repay some of the
> unemployment!
> xxxxo
> -------------------------------------
>
> Kompu Kid wrote:
> > Hello All:
> > A friend who had been unemployed for almost 20 moths, found contract
> > work.
> > Does she supposed to let the EDD (name of the unemployment office here
> > in California) know that she is making money?
> > She says  just not returning the form EDD sends you with your last
> > check is enough...
> > Thanks,
> > Deguza
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 25 2010 6:16 pm
From: "Veteran of a Foreign War."


I thought a great way to encourage quite a few people to have something
to feel grateful about was to pick up a particularly ugly pile of trash
some rocket scientist dumped on the side of our country back road.
I know I appreciate and am thankful that that eyesore is gone. Like Arlo
I had to pick up that trash. Tho I didn't dump it.
Happy thanksgiving day all!
--
Karma, What a concept!


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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 3:21 am
From: Ohioguy


I have both a T-Mobile and a tracfone, both of which I purchased
cheap . At one point, I thought I remembered someone telling me that
the T-Mobile phone had the edge, but looking at the cards in the store,
I don't see that.

Essentially, my wife wants a phone in her car that she can activate
for a year at a time, and have at least an hour or so of emergency use
on it if her car breaks down. She will not use it otherwise, or give
out the number to family or friends.

So the question is this: which one has minutes that don't expire for
a whole year, perhaps rolls the minutes over from year to year, and/or
costs the least for roughly 1-2 hours of service annually?

Thanks!


== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 3:33 am
From: "Steve.IA"


Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote in news:2z6Ho.38933$8m.37455@newsfe09.iad:

> I have both a T-Mobile and a tracfone, both of which I purchased
> cheap . At one point, I thought I remembered someone telling me that
> the T-Mobile phone had the edge, but looking at the cards in the store,
> I don't see that.
>
> Essentially, my wife wants a phone in her car that she can activate
> for a year at a time, and have at least an hour or so of emergency use
> on it if her car breaks down. She will not use it otherwise, or give
> out the number to family or friends.
>
> So the question is this: which one has minutes that don't expire for
> a whole year, perhaps rolls the minutes over from year to year, and/or
> costs the least for roughly 1-2 hours of service annually?
>
> Thanks!
>

After the initial purchase of time and minutes on Tracfone, the minutes
last forever until you use them. You can renew time month to month for
$5.99 automagically with their Service Protection plan.

--
Peace,
Steve
southiowa

Offering rural highspeed ISP access.
www.bubbalink.com


== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 5:59 am
From: Derald

"Steve.IA" <saharv23@invalid.com> wrote:

>After the initial purchase of time and minutes on Tracfone, the minutes
>last forever until you use them.
What does that mean? The Tracfone site clearly states otherwise:
Minutes are good for 30, 45, 90 or 365 days, depending on which
portion of the web site one believes, the "plans" are monthly and the
"Service Protection Plan" is absolutely free money for the Tracfone
folks and purely sucker-bait for those incapable of actually
remembering something.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 7:11 am
From: Vic Smith


On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 06:21:22 -0500, Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

> I have both a T-Mobile and a tracfone, both of which I purchased
>cheap . At one point, I thought I remembered someone telling me that
>the T-Mobile phone had the edge, but looking at the cards in the store,
>I don't see that.
>
> Essentially, my wife wants a phone in her car that she can activate
>for a year at a time, and have at least an hour or so of emergency use
>on it if her car breaks down. She will not use it otherwise, or give
>out the number to family or friends.
>
> So the question is this: which one has minutes that don't expire for
>a whole year, perhaps rolls the minutes over from year to year, and/or
>costs the least for roughly 1-2 hours of service annually?
>
>

We have 2 T-Mobile prepaid phones. For years.
To get it right at the lowest cost per year you pay for $100 worth of
minutes at the start.
They often have promotions - we got 1200 minutes for that.
That $100 makes you a "Gold Member," meaning minutes won't expire
after a year - if you buy more minutes before the year is up.
I just did a yearly update on one to keep about 400 minutes from
expiring. Paid $10 for 100 minutes. $10 is the least you can pay to
refresh the expiration of minutes for another year.
My wife has had her phone for about 5 years and total cost for minutes
has been about $200.
No roaming charges, and anytime, anywhere.
We only do voice calling.
Good coverage from Illinois to Florida.
Coverage that you need is the first thing to consider.
If you're a light user as we are, it works fine.
Your wife will probably call from the store or elsewhere if she gets
delayed. Mine does. But we use the vast majority of our minutes when
we are on vacation.
I've had mine 3 years and spent $120 total on minutes.
The initial $100 and two $10 yearly updates.
Still have at least 500 minutes. Only used minutes because we used it
on vacations to "equalize" the minutes on the 2 phones.
I think I only made one call when not on vacation - just to see if it
worked. I often forget to bring the phone with me when going
somewhere locally.
Doing the $100 "Gold Member" deal up front is what makes it work for
us.

--Vic

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 10:49 am
From: Gordon


Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote in news:Ar2dnaZ4-
_TKh3DRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

>
> "Steve.IA" <saharv23@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>After the initial purchase of time and minutes on Tracfone, the minutes
>>last forever until you use them.
> What does that mean? The Tracfone site clearly states otherwise:
> Minutes are good for 30, 45, 90 or 365 days, depending on which
> portion of the web site one believes, the "plans" are monthly and the
> "Service Protection Plan" is absolutely free money for the Tracfone
> folks and purely sucker-bait for those incapable of actually
> remembering something.
>

On Tracfone, the minutes are good for 30, 45, 90, or 360 days
(and other durations IIRC) depending on how many minutes you buy.
More minutes, more time to use them. But the minutes are cheaper
bought in larger numbers.

Personally I don't like Tracfone as a limited use phone.
Unfortunatly, 7-11 no longer offers it's Speak Out plan.
15 cents per minute, 365 day expiration. $10.00 minimum
purchase. But it's no longer available.

Here are a couple of web sites that compare prepaid
cell phone plans.

http://www.cellguru.net/index.htm
http://prepaiduswireless.com/


== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 12:45 pm
From: "Steve.IA"


Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote in news:Ar2dnaZ4-
_TKh3DRnZ2dnUVZ_jGdnZ2d@earthlink.com:

> "Steve.IA" <saharv23@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>>After the initial purchase of time and minutes on Tracfone, the minutes
>>last forever until you use them.
> What does that mean? The Tracfone site clearly states otherwise:
> Minutes are good for 30, 45, 90 or 365 days, depending on which
> portion of the web site one believes, the "plans" are monthly and the
> "Service Protection Plan" is absolutely free money for the Tracfone
> folks and purely sucker-bait for those incapable of actually
> remembering something.
>

I can't explain it better than that, I know that I have so many minutes
and buy a month worth of time for $5.99. I rarely use minutes and these
may last me for years. I have a cell that does all I need for about
$70/year.
I'm not shilling for tracfone, don't know to compare it to anything, just
know how it works for me. YMMV.

--
Peace,
Steve
southiowa


== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 5:05 pm
From: SMS


On 11/24/2010 3:21 AM, Ohioguy wrote:
> I have both a T-Mobile and a tracfone, both of which I purchased cheap .
> At one point, I thought I remembered someone telling me that the
> T-Mobile phone had the edge, but looking at the cards in the store, I
> don't see that.
>
> Essentially, my wife wants a phone in her car that she can activate for
> a year at a time, and have at least an hour or so of emergency use on it
> if her car breaks down. She will not use it otherwise, or give out the
> number to family or friends.
>
> So the question is this: which one has minutes that don't expire for a
> whole year, perhaps rolls the minutes over from year to year, and/or
> costs the least for roughly 1-2 hours of service annually?

T-Mobile prepaid is $10 a year once you go "Gold" by spending $100.
Actually $9 since CallingMart often has T-Mobile refills for 10% off.

The big problem with T-Mobile is that their coverage is a tiny subset of
Tracfone coverage--and it's getting worse. T-Mobile has been ending
roaming agreements with AT&T which has greatly reduced coverage, though
you can still call 911 even in places where you can't make regular
calls. If you never leave metro areas, including not going outside the
urban core of the metro area, then T-Mobile works. If you go to most
places where AT&T is the carrier, you're S.O.L.

I.e. in the Bay Area where I live, T-Mobile used to allow roaming onto
AT&T. This was essential because many of the areas outside the cities in
the area have only Verizon and AT&T native coverage. When the roaming
agreement ended T-Mobile lost vast areas of coverage--areas where few
people live but areas where a lot of people travel through. Sprint has
coverage by virtue of roaming onto Verizon (but Virgin Mobile doesn't
roam onto Verizon).

The best prepaid service in terms of cost per minute and coverage is
PagePlus which uses Verizon's network (but allows extra-cost roaming on
other CDMA networks). They charge as little as 4 cents per minute.
Unfortunately there is no 1 year expiration available, you have to add
$10 (100 10 cent minutes) every 120 days, so it's not a good option for
a glovebox phone that is rarely used. You can set up automatic refills,
but only on a monthly basis, not on a 120 day basis. However you can
start the automatic refills to begin the day before your time expires,
then go in and edit the automatic refill start date and change it to the
date your time next expires. But it's a hassle to do this every four months.


== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 8:10 pm
From: Gordon


SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
news:4cedb64b$0$1658$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> The best prepaid service in terms of cost per minute and coverage is
> PagePlus which uses Verizon's network (but allows extra-cost roaming
> on other CDMA networks). They charge as little as 4 cents per minute.
> Unfortunately there is no 1 year expiration available, you have to add
> $10 (100 10 cent minutes) every 120 days, so it's not a good option
> for a glovebox phone that is rarely used. You can set up automatic
> refills, but only on a monthly basis, not on a 120 day basis. However
> you can start the automatic refills to begin the day before your time
> expires, then go in and edit the automatic refill start date and
> change it to the date your time next expires. But it's a hassle to do
> this every four months.

I'll 2nd that with PAgePlus. I have one phone on Page Plus
and I put $25.00 on it every 5 to 8 weeks depending on how
much I talk. You used to be able to buy a Verizon Impulse
phone and activate it on PagePlus. But Verizon put a stop to
that. Now you have to buy a phone from PagePlus. And their
customer service sucks. If you can even reach them.


== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 8:12 pm
From: The Real Bev


On 11/24/10 07:11, Vic Smith wrote:

> We have 2 T-Mobile prepaid phones. For years.
> To get it right at the lowest cost per year you pay for $100 worth of
> minutes at the start.
> They often have promotions - we got 1200 minutes for that.
> That $100 makes you a "Gold Member," meaning minutes won't expire
> after a year - if you buy more minutes before the year is up.
> I just did a yearly update on one to keep about 400 minutes from
> expiring. Paid $10 for 100 minutes. $10 is the least you can pay to
> refresh the expiration of minutes for another year.
> My wife has had her phone for about 5 years and total cost for minutes
> has been about $200.
> No roaming charges, and anytime, anywhere.
> We only do voice calling.
> Good coverage from Illinois to Florida.
> Coverage that you need is the first thing to consider.
> If you're a light user as we are, it works fine.
> Your wife will probably call from the store or elsewhere if she gets
> delayed. Mine does. But we use the vast majority of our minutes when
> we are on vacation.
> I've had mine 3 years and spent $120 total on minutes.
> The initial $100 and two $10 yearly updates.
> Still have at least 500 minutes. Only used minutes because we used it
> on vacations to "equalize" the minutes on the 2 phones.
> I think I only made one call when not on vacation - just to see if it
> worked. I often forget to bring the phone with me when going
> somewhere locally.
> Doing the $100 "Gold Member" deal up front is what makes it work for
> us.

I've used T-Mobile prepaid for at least 4 years. The only thing I use
it for are "I'm here, whre are you?" calls and have over 700 minutes
saved. I get my $10 top-up cards at Target because one of the survey
sites pays me in Target or Walmart gift cards, so the service is free
from now on.

The bad part is that I get really crappy reception in my house, although
it improves enough to actually use if I walk to the front of the
neighbor's house. The other bad part is the crappy Samsung T-319 phone
-- I have to put it on 'speaker' to hear it when I put it next to my ear
and the camera is only 640x480 and costs me 25 cents to send to myself.
Who knew you had to specify that the phone should have some sort of
USB connection?

--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It doesn't get any easier - you just go faster."
-- Greg Lemond


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 6:10 am
From: "Vet. of Foreign War."


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Nov 24 2010 9:56 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 24, 12:29 am, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
<kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:03:20 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the
> Free Spirits of the Jungle <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 6:00 pm, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
> > <kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:42:39 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey &
> >> the Free Spirits of the Jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Nov 23, 2:56 pm, "Randolf Richardson (Lumber Cartel, local 42)"
> >>> <kingpin+n...@lumbercartel.ca> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:04:23 -0800, His Highness the TibetanMonkey &
> >>>> the Free Spirits of the Jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> [sNip]
> >>>>> Once we got this clear and religion concerns itself with bicycles
> >>>>> instead of gays or abortion, we can make real progress.
>
> >>>> [sNip]
>
> >>>> Bicycles? Is that a South Park reference? If so, then
> >>>> are you implying that Mormons are progressive? ;-P
>
> >>> Their deeds speak louder than their message even if their message
> >>> is wrong. The other Christians got both wrong.
>
> >>> Christianity campaigns for social repression, not social progress.
>
> >> It's all in the name of power.
>
> > Not "power to the people."
>
> > I got this thought from Kropotkin...
>
> > "Governmental Communism, like theocratic Communism, is repugnant"
>
> > This guy was an anarchist so the idea of the Party or God running the
> > show was repugnant. It really is. Heaven --if there's one-- is
> > communist and you must be loyal to the party.
>
> ...and for those who art in heaven, if their loyalty wanes what is to
> become of them if not Fallen Angels? ;-D

Actually that may be the very reason for Satan's rebellion...

He wasn't a communist!!!

After all the bad press about the Devil, now we finally know the
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