Frugal Living: Dec 10, 2007

Monday, December 10, 2007

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TOPIC: What Court Do I Use?
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 12:41 pm
From: "Chloe"

"jaygreg" <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
>apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
>they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
>founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered
>letter. Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>
> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't
> know what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a
> municipal but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>
> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that
> there's no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is a
> red flag. I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense is
> a pain in the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the kid's
> throat.
>
> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
> departments.

What court do you use? None. You'll spend a bunch of money and you won't be
able to recover any damages because...you don't HAVE any. Ask one of your
neighbors to pick it up if you're going to be away. Or if you really have a
lot of spare time on your hands, contact your local government and see if
the problem might come under some type of littering ordinance. But a
lawsuit? You gotta be kidding.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 12:45 pm
From: George

jaygreg wrote:
> I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
> apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
> they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
> founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered letter.
> Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>
> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't know
> what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a municipal
> but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>
> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that there's
> no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is a red flag.
> I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense is a pain in
> the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the kid's throat.
>
> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where to
> file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right departments.
>
>

I would give them written notice that from that day forward their paper
is unwanted and you will have them cited for littering if you find the
paper on your property. My buddy did that with a local paper that
wouldn't stop and actually had them cited. Shortly after that I had the
same issue and calling them and informing them I would have them cited
was enough to stop the delivery.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 12:52 pm
From: Jeff

Forget the founder or his kid. Talk to the kid who is delivering it on
Sunday Morning. Tell him your reasons, either rationally or
irrationally, chances are he won't want to have yourself waiting to see
him next Sunday.

Jeff

:-) So... I sent him a registered letter.
> Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>
> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't know
> what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a municipal
> but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>
> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that there's
> no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is a red flag.
> I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense is a pain in
> the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the kid's throat.
>
> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where to
> file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right departments.
>
>

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 4:32 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
jaygreg <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
>apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
>they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
>founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered letter.
>Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
[ ... ]

Someone fought that issue locally and wasn't able to get anything done,
including prosecution for littering.

Any idea where the "kid" lives? He might need a spare copy, or two or
three (your neighbors might want to donate theirs). Alternatively, the
lawn or sidewalk in front of the business might work.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
"release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 5:48 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"jaygreg" <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>
> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
> departments.

My neighbours and I ask each other to collect mail when we are away etc.
Do you trust your neighbours? It works well for us...

Just a thot....

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:13 pm
From: "jaygreg"

Lawsuit? Who said anything about a lawsuit, counselor? I'm taking about some
form of restraining order or directive from the court to stop littering,
trespassing, or breaking whatever ordinance I can find may apply. Of course
there's no personal injury sustained. I know how to file a lawsuit; don't
need that.

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:475da48d$0$5011$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "jaygreg" <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
>>apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
>>they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
>>founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered
>>letter. Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>>
>> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't
>> know what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a
>> municipal but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>>
>> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that
>> there's no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is
>> a
>> red flag. I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense
>> is
>> a pain in the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the kid's
>> throat.
>>
>> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
>> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
>> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
>> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
>> departments.
>
> What court do you use? None. You'll spend a bunch of money and you won't
> be able to recover any damages because...you don't HAVE any. Ask one of
> your neighbors to pick it up if you're going to be away. Or if you really
> have a lot of spare time on your hands, contact your local government and
> see if the problem might come under some type of littering ordinance. But
> a lawsuit? You gotta be kidding.
>
>
>

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:16 pm
From: "jaygreg"

They've had written notice three times. The third time - to ensure
delivery - the notice (a simple copy of the prior two) went certified return
receipt. I've got a signature of an employee or agent. Soooo... they've
received notice. Next step... some legal action from the county or me (but
certainly not a lawsuit).

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:TLmdne8wDNX7OMDanZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> jaygreg wrote:
>> I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on
>> the apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years
>> and they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to
>> the founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered
>> letter. Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>>
>> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't
>> know what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a
>> municipal but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>>
>> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that
>> there's no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is
>> a red flag. I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense
>> is a pain in the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the
>> kid's throat.
>>
>> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
>> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
>> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
>> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
>> departments.
>
> I would give them written notice that from that day forward their paper is
> unwanted and you will have them cited for littering if you find the paper
> on your property. My buddy did that with a local paper that wouldn't stop
> and actually had them cited. Shortly after that I had the same issue and
> calling them and informing them I would have them cited was enough to stop
> the delivery.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:18 pm
From: "jaygreg"

Thought of that, Jeff, and may well do that. Only problem is the window of
delievery is from 5:30AM to as late as 11AM. That's a hell-o-va long time to
sit in from of a front window. My neighbors will think I'm nuts!

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:13lr9o8dp6pis20@corp.supernews.com...
> jaygreg wrote:
>> I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on
>> the apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years
>> and they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to
>> the founder's "kid', I get no respect.
>
> Forget the founder or his kid. Talk to the kid who is delivering it on
> Sunday Morning. Tell him your reasons, either rationally or irrationally,
> chances are he won't want to have yourself waiting to see him next Sunday.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> :-) So... I sent him a registered letter.
>> Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
>>
>> I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't
>> know what type of court I should be looking for. I assume it's not a
>> municipal but a county court (we're in two separate counties).
>>
>> My reason for the request is that the paper is a dead give-away that
>> there's no one home. I live alone and if I travel... bingo; the paper is
>> a red flag. I can stop the paper I subscribe to, but this little nuscense
>> is a pain in the butt. Sooooo. I guess I gotta' jam the order down the
>> kid's throat.
>>
>> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
>> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
>> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
>> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
>> departments.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:28 pm
From: "jaygreg"

My crew are the ones who took the final notice to the post office. "You
wants we should deliver this pousonally, boss?"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:13lrmlo278idkf0@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> jaygreg <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
>>apron of my driveway every Sunday. I've asked politely over the years and
>>they have complied. But since the business has been turned over to the
>>founder's "kid', I get no respect. :-) So... I sent him a registered
>>letter.
>>Foour days latter... trash on the apron!
> [ ... ]
>
> Someone fought that issue locally and wasn't able to get anything done,
> including prosecution for littering.
>
> Any idea where the "kid" lives? He might need a spare copy, or two or
> three (your neighbors might want to donate theirs). Alternatively, the
> lawn or sidewalk in front of the business might work.
>
>
> Gary
>
> --
> Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
>
> Yoko Onos' former driver tried to extort $2M from her, threating to
> "release embarassing recordings...". What, he has a copy of her album?

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:32 pm
From: "jaygreg"

I've paid my paper carrier extra to deliver my subscription to the door for
thirty years. The unsolicited, unsubscribed "rag" is thrown on the driveway
apron and left in the street when the deliverer looses arm. I don't wanna'
walk to the apron or street every Sunday when I AM home. If I do that... why
pay extra to have the subscription paper delivered?

The fix has to be made with the paper, who in turn feels pressure enough to
lean on the delivery agent.

"The Henchman" <dontsellmestuff@iampoor.net> wrote in message
news:J%l7j.80126$_H4.1911@fe08.news.easynews.com...
>
> "jaygreg" <jaygreg90@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:475da220$0$27960$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> Anyone had experience with a similar problem and can give guidance where
>> to file and what to ask for? I've had experience with probating wills and
>> filing suit for some attempting to collect on a bad debt; reading and
>> following instructions won't be a problem if I get to the right
>> departments.
>
> My neighbours and I ask each other to collect mail when we are away etc.
> Do you trust your neighbours? It works well for us...
>
> Just a thot....
>
>

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:47 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Okay, when you say "the founder's kid," do you mean the person who
delivers the paper owns it?

After having three children who did paper routes, I can say that
probablyi the most effective way to get it stopped is to call the
newspaper every single time you get it and complain that you don't want
it on your driveway -- not the carrier, the newspaper. If the carrier
is a contractor, they will be penalized for complaints, and it should stop.

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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TOPIC: Help shopping for neices and nephews
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 2:13 pm
From: "Melissa"

"Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, over the years I've viewed the Christmas frenzy with equanimity. My
> wife and I have gone our own way, some years spending a lot, some years
> spending a little. Our natural tendency has been to be generous - within
> our means - and to try to give gifts that the recipients would appreciate,
> and by and large we've been successful.
>
> But this year is different. My sister has 3 kids (triplets), two boys and
a
> girl, who will be 10 on Christmas Eve. For the last few years, Dad has
> taken them to ToysRUs at the beginning of December, and the kids wander
> around the store and make a wish list. This year, the store provided
> scanners to the kids, so all they had to do was point the thing at the bar
> code to add an item to their list.
>
> So when we've asked what the kids would like for Christmas, there's a list
> that each of the kids have put together. While I think that's a great
idea,
> things are out of hand - this year the cheapest item on each kid's list is
> over $50, and frankly, I don't even know what any of these things are
except
> for an Xbox, but no way are we spending $1,000 bucks on electronic toys
for
> kids (naturally, each wants his/her own) - we don't spend that on toys for
> ourselves.
>
> And, though I hate to sound mercenary, my sister and her husband years ago
> put a limit on Christmas spending - roughly around $20-$30/gift. They by
> and large stick to that limit, and for themselves don't expect anything
more
> grandiose, and we've more or less gone along (it's poor taste to up the
> ante, after all) but when it comes to the kids, they seem to feel
> differently (what parent doesn't?). I find myself feeling that the
exchange
> of gifts will be pretty one-way.
>
> So, anyone out there with kids around 10 years old? What do kids that age
> play with these days? What are you giving them? What are their aunts and
> uncles giving them? I know, ideally we'd know the kids well enough to
have
> some idea of what they'd like ourselves, but they live 300 miles away and
> one of the few times a year we see them is at Christmas.
>
>

We stopped exchanging with the grown siblings and the neices/nephews years
ago. I have 4 (grown) kids of my own, my sister has 3, my brother has 2.
None of us can afford to shop for all those people.

We get together with that side of the family on Christmas Eve, have pizza
from a local shop, and just visit. Sometimes we do exchange new or more
current family photos, but the money train stopped years ago. It was a
relief for all believe me.

Melissa

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TOPIC: Very beautiful girls and many useful resources and more,please check it
out
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 2:49 pm
From: aksa mit

Very beautiful girls and many useful resources and more,please check
it out
http://groups.google.com/group/all-good-things/web/beautiful-girls-and-ladies

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TOPIC: Only 30k miles from tires?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 3:39 pm
From: me@privacy.net

>eh....the last time I rotated tires on a car was 37 years ago.........

why so ling?

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TOPIC: Spam / SCAM
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 4:11 pm
From: clams casino

Just received an offer that stated as follows:

My name is Mr. Song Li le I work with the Hang Seng Bank here in Ho=
ng Kong. There is the sum of $19,500,000.00 in my bank=E2=80=9D Hang Seng Bank=
", Hong Kong.

Amusing part, the spam was sent /originated via Road
Runner............from Herndon, VA.

Hmmmm

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TOPIC: Free Ice Cream From Cold Stone Creamery!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 4:12 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

maggie moos is MUCH better.

"FreebiesPl.us" <sales@boostviews.com> wrote in message
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> Free Ice Cream From Cold Stone Creamery!
> http://www.freebiespl.us/?p=296
>

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TOPIC: Canned Mackerel
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 11:00 am
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Australian mines were in the doldrums and losing
>>> money until the China demand boosted their fortunes.

>> Pig ignorant lie. We had a massive trade balance in our favor
>> with Japan and its the mining exports that produced that.

> And the Ozzie government has so much money in
> the bank that it doesn't know what to do with it?

Another pig ignorant lie. The govt cuts taxes to deal with that.

Taxes that are already one of the lowest in the entire modern
first world when measured as a percentage of GDP per person.

And the federal surpluses are an entirely separate
matter to the country's exports anyway.

> Oct 2007:

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/aus/eng/curaus.htm
> A. Official reserve assets 33,162.85 millions. (33 billions).

> CITIGroup had already lost more than that in the subprime mess.

Irrelevant what those fools did.

>> The immense exports of iron ore, coal, aluminium, natural gas,
>> etc etc etc were going mostly to Japan and still mostly do.

> Japan had no growth for more than a decade.

Irrelevant to whether we STILL export more to Japan than we import
from Japan and whether we STILL export more to Japan than we do
to China and expect to still be doing that until around 2012 or so.

Your original claim now at the top was and still is a pig ignorant lie.

> She is only now beginning to get out of the economic basement,
> again due to trade with China. In fact China had just edged the
> US out as Japan's biggest trading partner.

Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours now right at the top
which you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have restored.

> Given that Japan is the second biggest economy after the US and
> that she has practically no natural resources of her own, sure her
> imports will be large just to maintain domestic consumption.

So your pig ignorant lie now right at the top was always just that.

Much of what we export to China is for domestic consumption too,
essentially because we dont on the whole sell to China too much of
what it exports to the rest of the world in processed form. We have
always done much more of that with Japan, particularly the metal and
ore exports. Most of the iron ore exports to china are currently ending
up in domestic consumption, particularly in building and construction etc.

> Natural gas and coal is for her own use, neither is processed nor re-exported.

Precisely, so your claim at the top is just plain wrong.

> Japan's exports are in the high tech sector that does not require
> much raw materials and certainly not heavy metal products.

Thats just plain wrong with the car industry particularly.

> There are few if any fully loaded massively large container ships
> leaving Japan's ports on a scale anywhere close to China's.

Another pig ignorant lie with cars particularly.

> That is Japan's demand was and is still stagnant and her consumption
> of your exports does not drive prices. China's demand does.

Irrelevant to that pig ignorant lie of yours now right at the top
which you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have restored.

> Minerals, coal, oil and gas is an extractive industry. Once
> out of the ground you don't do much else with it. Don't get
> too awed by the size of the machines. Basically its dig and sell.

And that STILL produces a positive balance of trade in OUR favour with Japan
and China, something that neither Canada, the US or the EU can manage.

> Australia is blessed with rich deposits of minerals, is close to her
> markets and can ship cheaply by sea. That's the luck of the draw,
> not something you can attribute to your cleverness or hard work.

Never ever did that. I JUST rubbed your pig ignorant nose in the FACT
that we have a positive balance of trade in OUR favour with Japan and
China, something that neither Canada, the US or the EU can manage
and that there are very few chinese employed in our mining industrys.

> Go dig up the records from as recently as 10 years back.

Dont need to, I've been investing in the mining industry for going on 50
years now thanks, and making a lot of money in the process myself.

> You mining boom predicates on Chinese demand.

Another pig ignorant lie. We had a positive balance of trade in OUR favor
even when that fool Mao was damaging the chinese economy very severely
indeed and even now we STILL sell a lot more to Japan than to China.

> Canada's extractive resources boom is also due to Chinese demand,

No it isnt, most obviously with aluminium. In fact fuck all of canadian exports end up in china.

> and we have oil too.

Fuck all of which ends up in china.

> We have no illusions about how important that market is to us.

Its MUCH less important than the US, EU and Japan in fact.

> We have also no illusions about our competitiveness in other
> fields including high tech. We just don't have the population,
> therefore the market size, to compete globally in any field the
> Chinese chose to enter.

How odd that we have a lower population and manage it fine.

> And we may end up as just extractive resources
> suppliers to the US, China and the rest of the world.
> Australia is in the same boat and your compensating
> economic sectors are even less than Canada's.

Irrelevant to the FACT that we have a positive balance of trade in OUR favour with
Japan and China, something that neither Canada, the US or the EU can manage.

> Sure it takes big big bucks to open up a mine. The technology
> and equipment is available to anyone with the money. Mining
> engineers one can hire from anywhere. Operators are all local.

No they arent. We run a number of mines outside the country too.

> Operating giant mining machines does not require top class brain power.

Pity the design engineering does.

> A high school diploma or a two year college course is good
> enough for these very well paid jobs. These job openings
> are guarded jealously in Ozzieland, in Canada and in the US.

Another pig ignorant lie. We have always had such a shortage of that
sort of ape that those industrys employ hordes of new immigrants.

> In fact in every country these somewhat skilled jobs are union protected

Another pig ignorant lie. We have completely eliminated
that problem in most of the mining industry.

> and do not welcome outsiders.

Another pig ignorant lie. We have always had such a shortage of that
sort of ape that those industrys employ hordes of new immigrants.

> So outsiders (aka Chinese) who can go to university
> and go into professions and faculties

And dont end up as engineers in the mining industry
that employs hordes of university qualified professionals.

> (that the locals do not have enough brains to qualify for.)

Another pig ignorant lie.

> Anyway from your history in this group, time has already passed you by.

Nope, its might just be the main reason I'm rolling in it, unlike you.

> Me too. You are not a player in today's economy because
> you have neither the qualifications or technical skills.

Guess who just got egg all over its silly little pig ignorant face, yet again ?

I happen to have better professional qualifications from university than the
absolute vast bulk of chinese in this country have. Technical skills in spades.

> All your pontificating, posturing and plain pissing off impresses no one.

Your pig ignorant lies about the australian economy in spades.

Your flagrantly racist claims about chinese in spades, every single person
who has chosen to comment has noticed your problem in that area.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 6:17 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:00:50 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>I happen to have better professional qualifications from university than the
>absolute vast bulk of chinese in this country have. Technical skills in spades.

Huh? Degree(s) from which university and year of graduation(s). Your
professional affliations. These are easy enough to confirm with the
click of a mouse.

Yep. Skills of the spade (and prick) kind. Your technical expertise
is in gutter language ( the prick part.) That figures. You were
born there and never got out of the gutter. You are too comfortable
there deep in dirt. You have a legion of fans in this newsgroup some
of whom had compiled their custom profile of your social shortcomings
(welfare bum, etc.) and described that noggin (aka pint sized brain)
of yours. That's quite an accomplishment.

As for your other rants, I do not have a first hand knowledge of
Australia. True. I had already said quite a few posts ago that in
the scheme of things Australia is a side show and of little interest.
I do have friends and relatives in Ozzieland. There isn't much news
of interest from your part of the world. Socially challenged rejects
like yourself my Chinese contacts can easily ignore and keep out of
their circle. The more refined Ozzies are easy enough to get along
with and predictably unremarkable. You guys seldom come up in our
conversations. One interesting tid bit, from my brother in law in
Singapore, is that you Ozzies are so freaked out about Chinese owning
housing property that there is a law that prevents them from reselling
their house(s) in the open market. They have to resell it to an Ozzie
white guy so that the price will be low enough for whitey to afford.
That speaks spades about your country's residual racism and your
individual economic status than any rant you can come up with. B-i-l
owns two mansions in Perth, prime ocean view, swimming pools and all,
one he uses for his vacations and the other a rental property. Most
ordinary Ozzies won't be able to afford to buy them anyway. That's
why I said earlier that you should take a drive by in the newer
housing developments and observe who lives there.

Man. You are so predictable and easy to crank up (aka mess up your
noggin) The measure is how long it takes to get you to sputter along
in your foul language mode. The answer is not much at all..

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 7:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> Australian mines were in the doldrums and losing
>>> money until the China demand boosted their fortunes.

>> I happen to have better professional qualifications from university
>> than the absolute vast bulk of chinese in this country have.
>> Technical skills in spades.

> Huh? Degree(s) from which university and year of graduation(s).
> Your professional affliations.

Mind your own business and post yours if you
want something like that from someone else.

> These are easy enough to confirm with the click of a mouse.

Wrong, as always.

> As for your other rants,

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I JUST disposed of your stupid pig ignorant claims very comprehensively indeed.

> I do not have a first hand knowledge of Australia. True.

And cant even do even the most basic research before making
terminally pig ignorant claims like that one now back at the top again.

> I had already said quite a few posts ago that in the scheme
> of things Australia is a side show and of little interest.

Irrelevant to the stupid pig ignorant claim of yours at the top being discussed.

> One interesting tid bit, from my brother in law in Singapore, is
> that you Ozzies are so freaked out about Chinese owning housing
> property that there is a law that prevents them from reselling their
> house(s) in the open market. They have to resell it to an Ozzie
> white guy so that the price will be low enough for whitey to afford.

No there isnt. Yet another bare faced pig ignorant lie.

Here is ALL of our legislation, you wont be
able to list that law, because it doesnt exist.
http://www.austlii.edu.au/forms/search1.html

> That speaks spades about your country's residual racism and your
> individual economic status than any rant you can come up with.

Nope, just your BiL and which ever chinese told him that lie, actually.

> B-i-l owns two mansions in Perth, prime ocean view, swimming pools
> and all, one he uses for his vacations and the other a rental property.
> Most ordinary Ozzies won't be able to afford to buy them anyway.

How odd that so many of us own property like that ourselves.

> That's why I said earlier that you should take a drive by in
> the newer housing developments and observe who lives there.

I know who lives there thanks, and you can research that stuff online anytime too.

> Man. You are so predictable and easy to crank up (aka mess up your noggin)

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

You're the one going ballistic when your nose is rubbed in your flagrant racism.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 11:39 am
From: "Rod Speed"

clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote
> Quality_is_job_one wrote

>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119707327901017729.html?mod=todays_us_page_one

> It's hard to accept the economy is slowing as it's been essentially stagnant for the past 7-8 years.

Like hell it has, most obviously with the housing industry.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 5:01 pm
From: ohyeah

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply <mmeahan@TRASHsonic.net> wrote
in news:475b481f$0$84212$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net:

> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in
>>> Tucson is a big place; it's awfully hard to believe you know the
>>> main concern" of every vet in the area.
>>
>> You have a point. However I called about 20 vets in Tucson. Not ONE
>> offered to do time payments, nor reduced fee for those on low fixed
>> income. NOT ONE. Some said, pay upfront. I said, you mean, like a
>> common prostitute?

see the other posts on this subject, along with a url for a person who
verifies this attitude in his/her webpage. the one in NM did not know
the pet owner and treated the dog anyways. the one in MN I knew, but
that was his policy no matter who it was if the animal was suffering.
Tucson vets just don't care, the 20 or so I contacted. They are pigs
really and have their staff do the dirty work of turning pets down for
treatment or witholding treatment or worse. there are so many vets here,
probably they are so hard up for cash, this is the only way they can
survive. (no offense to the four legged variety).

>
> The vets here will do things like that for someone they have an
> existing relationship with, but I think they have had too many new
> patients walk to do it with someone they don't already know.
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 5:50 pm
From: buster

I was wrong about one thing, there IS a veterinarians' oath:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterinarian's_Oath

pretty weak though.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 12:12 am
From: Milenko Kindl

BAGHDAD - Mortar shells slammed into an Interior Ministry prison on
Monday, killing at least seven inmates and wounding 23 while they
slept, police and a hospital official said.

The shells hit a prison made up of several cell blocks, each
containing prisoners accused of terrorism-related crimes or civil
offenses, police said.

Police said American troops had sealed off the area and were
investigating the bombardment, which took place about 6:30 a.m. The
U.S. military said it had no immediate information, and Iraqi Interior
Ministry officials could not be reached for comment.

A hospital official said the inmates were still asleep when the
mortars hit, one landing directly on a cell and two others nearby.
Casualties were sent to a hospital inside the Interior Ministry
compound for treatment, the official said.

The police and hospital officials spoke on condition of anonymity
because they were not authorized to release details of the attack.

The attack came a day after Iraq's defense minister promised to wage a
new crackdown in a volatile province northeast of Baghdad where
militants are trying to regroup after being routed from their urban
stronghold there last summer.

Suicide attacks have killed more than 20 people in the last three days
in Diyala province, a tribal patchwork of Sunni Arabs, Shiites and
Kurds that stretches from Baghdad to the border with Iran.

Defense Minister Abdul-Qader al-Obeidi told The Associated Press that
preparations had begun for a fresh military operation in the
provincial capital, Baqouba, about 35 miles from Baghdad.

"If we succeed in controlling areas of Diyala close to Baghdad, the
rate of incidents in Baghdad decreases by 95 percent," al-Obeidi told
the AP.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, meanwhile, arrived in southern
Iraq on a surprise visit to the southern city of Basra Sunday,
signaling what London hopes will be the transition from a military
mission in Iraq to one with a stronger economic component.

"The great venture that started with all the difficulties we face,
that cost causalities, means we have managed now to get Iraq into a
far better position," Brown told British troops, who lined the
staircases of an airport base to watch his evening arrival. "Not that
violence has ended, but we are able to move to provincial Iraqi
control and that's thanks to everything you have achieved."

The British plan to hand over security responsibilities for the oil-
rich area to the Iraqis in the coming weeks.

Violence has declined sharply in Iraq since June, when the influx of
U.S. troops to the capital and its surrounding areas began to gain
momentum. Also credited with the decline were the freeze in activities
by the Mahdi Army militia, led by the radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-
Sadr, and the decision by tens of thousands of Iraqis -- most of them
Sunni Arab -- to join the fight against al-Qaida.

But it has been a constant challenge to subdue extremists in Diyala,
which is the eastern gateway to Baghdad. More than two years ago, U.S.
forces thought they'd turned the corner and American commanders handed
over substantial control of the province to the Iraqi army in August
2005.

Al-Qaida began moving into Diyala in 2006 after losing its sanctuaries
in Anbar Province and declared Baqouba as the capital of the Islamic
State of Iraq.

Last summer, American troops regained control of Baqouba in a pair of
operations, restoring some government services and commerce after
months of isolation.

But U.S. officers said at the time they expected the extremists to
scatter to hills north of Baqouba and to the city of Muqdadiyah to the
east and try to regroup.

Americans have fostered groups of former militants who have switched
sides in the fight against al-Qaida. Any gains are hard-won, however:
On Friday, a pair of suicide bombings less than 10 miles apart killed
at least 23 people -- more than half of them members of the anti-al-
Qaida groups.

Rear Adm. Gregory Smith, a U.S. military spokesman, credited
intelligence gleaned from Iraqis tired of militant violence, as well
as American efforts to track down insurgents' financing, safe houses
and bomb-making facilities to the decline in violence around the
country. He said Diyala would soon see the same level of improvement.

"We believe there will be a secure, stable Diyala in months to come,"
Smith said.

About 60 miles south of Baghdad, a roadside bomb struck the convoy
carrying the police chief of Babil province, killing him and two of
his bodyguards, officials said. Brig. Gen. Qais al-Maamouri, the
police chief of Babil's provincial capital of Hillah, was the latest
in a series of assassinations against provincial leaders in the mainly
Shiite region.

Al-Maamouri was politically independent and had a reputation for
leading crackdowns against militia fighters and resisting pressure
from religious and political groups to release favored members.

Milenko Kindl
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>
>well i got caught up in the Nintendo Wii mad grab and ended up with
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 10:17 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:33:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
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>Pig ignorant lie. We had a massive trade balance in our favor
>with Japan and its the mining exports that produced that.

And the e Ozzie government has so much money in the bank that it
doesn't know what to do with it?

Oct 2007:

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/aus/eng/curaus.htm

A. Official reserve assets 33,162.85 millions. (33 billions).

CITIGroup had already lost more than that in the subprime mess.
>
>The immense exports of iron ore, coal, aluminium, natural gas,
>etc etc etc were going mostly to Japan and still mostly do.

Japan had no growth for more than a decade. She is only now beginning
to get out of the economic basement, again due to trade with China.
In fact China had just edged the US out as Japan's biggest trading
partner.

Given that Japan is the second biggest economy after the US and that
she has practically no natural resources of her own, sure her imports
will be large just to maintain domestic consumption. Natural gas and
coal is for her own use, neither is processed nor re-exported.
Japan's exports are in the high tech sector that does not require much
raw materials and certainly not heavy metal products. There are few
if any fully loaded massively large container ships leaving Japan's
ports on a scale anywhere close to China's. That is Japan's demand
was and is still stagnant and her consumption of your exports does not
drive prices. China's demand does.

Minerals, coal, oil and gas is an extractive industry. Once out of
the ground you don't do much else with it. Don't get too awed by the
size of the machines. Basically its dig and sell. Australia is
blessed with rich deposits of minerals, is close to her markets and
can ship cheaply by sea. That's the luck of the draw, not something
you can attribute to your cleverness or hard work. Go dig up the
records from as recently as 10 years back. You mining boom predicates
on Chinese demand.

Canada's extractive resources boom is also due to Chinese demand, and
we have oil too. We have no illusions about how important that market
is to us. We have also no illusions about our competitiveness in
other fields including high tech. We just don't have the population,
therefore the market size, to compete globally in any field the
Chinese chose to enter. And we may end up as just extractive
resources suppliers to the US, China and the rest of the world.
Australia is in the same boat and your compensating economic sectors
are even less than Canada's.

Sure it takes big big bucks to open up a mine. The technology and
equipment is available to anyone with the money. Mining engineers one
can hire from anywhere. Operators are all local. Operating giant
mining machines does not require top class brain power. A high school
diploma or a two year college course is good enough for these very
well paid jobs. These job openings are guarded jealously in
Ozzieland, in Canada and in the US. In fact in every country these
somewhat skilled jobs are union protected and do not welcome
outsiders. So outsiders (aka Chinese) who can go to university and go
into professions and faculties (that the locals do not have enough
brains to qualify for.)

Anyway from your history in this group, time has already passed you
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Date: Mon, Dec 10 2007 12:31 pm
From: "jaygreg"

I want to stop a local free paper from leaving there unwanted "rag" on the
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I assume I can file some restaraining order with some court but I don't know
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