Frugal Living: Oct 15, 2008

Wednesday, October 15, 2008

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TOPIC: Hussein Obama's First 10 Executive Orders
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:28 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Oct 15, 1:01 am, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
> Innews:OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com,
> HeyBub <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>spewed forth:
>
>
>
>
>
> > TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>
> >>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
> >>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
> >>> original poster claimed.
>
> >> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
> >> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>
> > Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives,
> > not the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic
> > control, they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming
> > post offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other
> > about groundhogs.
>
> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
> Thought you might like to read the following:
> A little over one year ago:
>
> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>
> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>
> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
> (stock and mutual fund losses);
> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
> 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>
> America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
>
> Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with
> what's handed to him

So, if the Democratic Congress is doing nothing besides naming post
offices and
issuing meaningless proclamations, the policies in effect must be
those of the
Republican Congress. I just don't see how it logically follows that
the Democratic
Congress caused the mess.

Cindy Hamilton

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:37 am
From: George Grapman

HeyBub wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>>>> Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real
>>>> wages.
>>> The deficit doesn't matter. I can't find a comparison of real wages,
>>> but I'm doing better. Too bad about the lazy folks.
>> Deficits don't matter. From 1980 to 2000 every Republican platform
>> called for a balanced budget and blamed deficits on either a
>> Democratic president or congress. In 2004 the subject vanished.
>> Wonder why.
>
> The people who write the platform finally came to the realization that
> deficits don't really matter?

Actually they came to the realization that they could no longer
blame Democrats for deficits
>
> Well, within reason, of course. Our deficit is nowhere near its historical
> high. Sometimes you have to borrow (and spend) money now so that the future
> will be better. For example, overthrowing the government of Iraq.
>
> No, wait. Bad example. That's money spent to make us feel better now.
>
>
>
>

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:39 am
From: George Grapman

professorgunz wrote:
> clouddreamer wrote:
>> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>>>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>>>
>>> I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>>>
>>> I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
>>
>>
>> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a
>> problem doing it...and we get better health care.
>>
>> ..
>>
> Then why do they keep coming here to see a doctor?

Why do Americans keep going to Canada and Mexico for their
prescriptions? Do you have a cite showing large number of Canadians
come here for health care?

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:40 am
From: George Grapman

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Oct 15, 1:01 am, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
>> Innews:OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com,
>> HeyBub <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>spewed forth:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>>>>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>>>>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>>>>> original poster claimed.
>>>> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
>>>> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>>> Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives,
>>> not the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic
>>> control, they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming
>>> post offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other
>>> about groundhogs.
>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>> A little over one year ago:
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>
>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
>> (stock and mutual fund losses);
>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
>> 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>
>> America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
>>
>> Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with
>> what's handed to him
>
> So, if the Democratic Congress is doing nothing besides naming post
> offices and
> issuing meaningless proclamations, the policies in effect must be
> those of the
> Republican Congress. I just don't see how it logically follows that
> the Democratic
> Congress caused the mess.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The key word is "logically" .

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:54 am
From: clams_casino

ChairMan wrote:

>
>
>In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
> Thought you might like to read the following:
> A little over one year ago:
>
>
>1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>
>
>Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>
>
>1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
>(stock and mutual fund losses);
>5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
>6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>
>
>
>
>
Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
problems?

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:10 am
From: jdoe

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:41:30 GMT, TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:

>In <2olaf4pm984m0pujoiamnsvml7hhacgt3g@4ax.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 10:36 PM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
>><Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>>>doing it...and we get better health care.
>>>
>>> ..
>>is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of you
>>canucks come to the US for their health care?
>
>Hey right wing asshole, a few come for elective care, because they choose
>to on vacation. Not needed care. Stop the lying goober.
>
>There is no rationing of health care in Canada. There is rationing in the
>US. If you can't afford it, you don't get it. And bush and the right
>wingers are fighting to keep it that way and make it worse.
>
I can see how it goes in a typical canuck household, hey hon after the
hockey game is done let's go to florida and while we are there I'll
get that kidney transplant.

maybe you should sign up for some free counseling!
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:01 pm
From: "HeyBub"

clams_casino wrote:
> ChairMan wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>> A little over one year ago:
>>
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>
>>
>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>
>>
>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value
>> evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion
>> dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
> problems?

What does the passage of laws have to do with it? The Democrats controlled
Congress, that in itself is enough to collapse the confidence of many.

Where confidence goes, the economy follows.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:35 pm
From: "Cabot"

"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
news:48f579e4$0$25059$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...

> right wing mess?

Absolutely the right wing mess. You fail to provide vital information.

> "I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory
> Reform
> Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE
> regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American
> taxpayers
> will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and
> Freddie
> Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the
> economy as a whole."
> -- Sen. John McCain (R) 5/25/2006

The last action on this was Jul 28, 2005.... McCain made this statement
while it was a Republican majority.
This expired while under 109th Congress, thanks to Republicans. Mr.
Santorum (R) decided to have some amendments while in the Housing/Banking
committee. Read about it, I'm not doing all your homework.
http://www.govtrack.us:80/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Now: S1100 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1100

Democrats sponsered Hr1427, which is further along than the Republican
sponsered bill
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1427#votes

> "I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis"
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/10/2003
> Secretary Martinez, if it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have
> the
> GSEs ever missed their housing goals?
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/10/2003
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Maxine Waters (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Barney Frank (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Rep. Gregory Meeks (D) 9/25/2003
> -- Sen. Charles Schumer (D) 10/16/2003

If you want to blame all these people. Why did Bush sign the American Dream
Downpayment 2003, in Dec. of 2003?
Bush pushed the envelope on something which worked. Those ARM loans taken
out in 2004/2005 because of this outrageous behavior of Bush and Co, came
due in 1 & 3 years for the first ARM. Bush took people who couldn't pay
rent, and put them in homes which they couldn't pay.

He wanted to pump up his housing bubble. It's not a coincidence, this is
when the foreclosure problem started.
See Bush strutting his stuff here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031216-9.html

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:15 pm
From: Jeff

HeyBub wrote:
> clams_casino wrote:
>> ChairMan wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In just one year . Remember the election in 2006?
>>> Thought you might like to read the following:
>>> A little over one year ago:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
>>> 2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
>>> 3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
>>>
>>>
>>> Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) Consumer confidence plummet;
>>> 2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
>>> 3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
>>> 4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value
>>> evaporate (stock and mutual fund losses);
>>> 5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion
>>> dollars; 6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Can you quote one law that was passed since 1 / 2006 that caused these
>> problems?
>
> What does the passage of laws have to do with it? The Democrats controlled
> Congress, that in itself is enough to collapse the confidence of many.

You by a lot of snake oil don't you?

The economy never really got rolling under George W Bush. At the end
of his first term he came with a month or so of being the first
president in memory of having a net loss in jobs. The economy was being
pushed along by cheap money with the lowest prime rate in decades. Even
with that it never got going and the rate was lowered still further.

All that cheap money flooded into the system and instead of going
toward something useful went into inflating all these bubbles that are
now bursting.

What you've seen throughout the George W Bush years are bubbles that
were allowed to inflate under lax regulation. There never was any real
value in any of them.

What you've seen and totally bought into was that housing, credit, et
all would keep inflating. A very foolish assumption, but then you buy
into a lot of the aforementioned snake oil.

But the largest bubble of all has yet to really burst, the derivative
market. Hundreds of trillions worth.

>
> Where confidence goes, the economy follows.

So said the first lemming.

Jeff
>
>

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:20 pm
From: Jeff

Al.E. Gator Sr. wrote:
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
> news:48f579d2$0$25086$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> In news:nQIIk.638$Rx2.628@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net <TruthTeller@nospam.net>spewed forth:
>>> In <7jl6f4ldenr79pkva926m7fv4tlva508p3@4ax.com>, on 10/13/2008
>>> at 10:10 AM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:
>> Bill Clinton has just done a better job blaming the democrats for this
>> than
>> John McCain has done! By the way, in 3 years Barack Obama managed to
>> become
>> the number 2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money, beaten only slightly by
>> Chris Dodd who had a 30 year head start.
>
> nice try el shithead, all you hillbillies keep beating this point but none
> of you will tell everyone how MUCH money it was,

That's because Fanny and Freddy per se don't contribute anything.
It's an open question how much their employees contribute, some figures
have them contributing more to republicans.

But, it's all a misdirection. The only direction Republicans have.

Jeff
>
> so how about trying to be a MAN for once in your miserable, worthless,
> hillbilly existence and give us some figures
>
>

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:36 pm
From: Dennis

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:20:20 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

> Now clearly, if George W Bush hadn't taken a 230 Billion surplus and
>left us with 5 trillion in additional debt this would have been much
>easier to manage. And exactly who has been left better off under these
>economic policies?

The outrageious deficit spending under Bush is a scandal. In no way
do I defend it. But the myth of a Clinton surplus has been repeated
too often and only makes you look foolish. There was no surplus, only
accounting tricks. The national debt grew each year under Clinton
budgets:

http://www.letxa.com/articles/16

Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:45 am
From: zhouzixun05@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Would you buy this car?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:57 am
From: Al Bundy

A That One wrote:
> In article
> <b9b0e485-5a29-418c-b3a8-1b32f3898816@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> > the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> > over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> > $5,560).
> >
> > http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_166
> > 09473.htm
>
> ya know the first Prius could not be charged from a solar panel. or your
> home outlet.
> they changed that.,
> I assume this attempt can be charged at work or at home form the house
> current or a battery charger.
> or will be by popular demand.

Good point. The article does not say it, but it could easily be
charged using wall current. If it really does go 93 miles on a charge,
that doubles the battery powered distance of the GM volt that will
sell for just under $40K if Lutz can be believed, which he often
cannot. Even the battery supplier sees the deficiency of the GM Volt
with a 40 mile battery. They hope to double that by introduction.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:57 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Lou <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote
>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
>> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
>> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).
>>
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

Sounds good to me. When can I buy one in the US?

>Let's see, the car will travel roughly 93 miles after sitting in the sun for
>30 hours. Taking nighttime, cloudy days, and seasonal variations into
>account, you might average 6 hours of sun a day. My round trip daily
>commute is 80 miles, 5 days a week.
>
>Looks like I'd need 5 of these cars just to get back and forth to work.

Or one, with a wall plug :-)

Nick

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu wrote
> Lou <lpogoda@hotmail.com> wrote
>> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed
>>> to target the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has
>>> so far produced over 10 such cars and each of them will sell
>>> for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).

>>> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

> Sounds good to me.

More fool you.

> When can I buy one in the US?

Never, you watch. Cant possibly meet the safety standards for starters.

>> Let's see, the car will travel roughly 93 miles after sitting in the
>> sun for 30 hours. Taking nighttime, cloudy days, and seasonal
>> variations into account, you might average 6 hours of sun a day.
>> My round trip daily commute is 80 miles, 5 days a week.

>> Looks like I'd need 5 of these cars just to get back and forth to work.

> Or one, with a wall plug :-)

Bet it wouldnt even do his range with a wall plug.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

A "That One" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote

>> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
>> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
>> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US $5,560).

>> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

> ya know the first Prius could not be charged from a solar panel. or your home outlet.
> they changed that.,
> I assume this attempt can be charged at work or at home form the house
> current or a battery charger.
> or will be by popular demand.
> No.?

Looks like they are too stupid to do it like that.

And it isnt registerable in any first world country anyway even if they did.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:16 am
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 13, 11:18 pm, George Grapman <sfgeor...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> I wanted to head east for Thanksgiving but the fares were all in
> the %800 to 1,000 range. Kept playing around with the sites and found
> that travelocity had a fare for $450 ($20 more than if I chose to return
> on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving rather than on Monday.
> Non-stop both ways,aisle seats and the red eye going east which is
> always my preference.

I guess so. I just checked Orbitz and found a United flight from
Chicago-New York for $198 round trip with one stop, less for being
over 65. The non-stop price was $256. The dates I selected were
leaving 11/26 and returning 12/2. Of course, I don't know where you
are coming from or going to.

Los Angeles to NYC on the same dates was $244.
(All taxes included.)
Hope you didn't get hosed.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:24 am
From: George Grapman

Al Bundy wrote:
> On Oct 13, 11:18 pm, George Grapman <sfgeor...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> I wanted to head east for Thanksgiving but the fares were all in
>> the %800 to 1,000 range. Kept playing around with the sites and found
>> that travelocity had a fare for $450 ($20 more than if I chose to return
>> on the Tuesday after Thanksgiving rather than on Monday.
>> Non-stop both ways,aisle seats and the red eye going east which is
>> always my preference.
>
> I guess so. I just checked Orbitz and found a United flight from
> Chicago-New York for $198 round trip with one stop, less for being
> over 65. The non-stop price was $256. The dates I selected were
> leaving 11/26 and returning 12/2. Of course, I don't know where you
> are coming from or going to.

SF to New York.
>
> Los Angeles to NYC on the same dates was $244.
> (All taxes included.)
> Hope you didn't get hosed.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:06 pm
From: curly'q

Jeff wrote:
> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>
>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>

There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
to duplicate KFC

http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html

Len

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:20 pm
From: Lou Decruss

On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q <mamay@gug.com> wrote:

>Jeff wrote:
>> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>>
>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>>
>
>There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>to duplicate KFC
>
>http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html

I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.

Lou

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:43 pm
From: curly'q

Lou Decruss wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:06:34 -0500, curly'q <mamay@gug.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff wrote:
>>> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote in news:48F56745.9030500@Mayday.com:
>>>
>>>> Seerialmom wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 8, 8:54 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How much would the raw chicken cost you at regular supermarket
>>>>>> prices? At sale prices? Assume you cook regularly and have all the
>>>>>> other stuff necessary for fried chicken so their cost is minor.
>>>>> I tend to roll my eyes at that commercial. Yes, if you had to buy all
>>>>> the ingredients from scratch i.e. bag of flour, spices, baking
>>>>> powder, bottle of oil, chicken, cabbage, carrots, potatoes, coleslaw
>>>>> dressing (bottled or ingredients) corn cobs, it likely would exceed
>>>>> $10. The same is true for most other fast foods. The other part of
>>>>> that commercial says you can't do it because you wouldn't know what to
>>>>> buy for the 11 secret spices.
>> There are some minor hidden costs..........you gotta have one of these
>> to duplicate KFC
>>
>> http://www.kitchensupplydirect.com/559-FKMF.html
>
> I don't know why anyone would want to duplicate KFC but you sure can
> make far better chicken with a turkey fryer for under a hundred bucks.
>
> Lou

I love the stuff myself..... IMO, 'broasted' chicken is the ultimate
preparation method for breaded chicken pieces in the 'southern fried' style.

Don't you have to use a turkey fryer outdoors and use 5 or 6 gallons of oil?

Len

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 1:04 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:13:05 -0700 (PDT), tmclone@searchmachine.com
wrote:

>Agreed. We took the "$9.99 challenge" last weekend. We don't do grains
>or
>high-carb veggies, so there were some replacements. We ended up with
>more
>food for less money. We bought a whole chicken (4lbs) for $3.75 and
>cooked
>it in our toaster/rotisserie with some kosher salt, spices, and butter
>for
>$.25. We made some slaw from shredding fresh broccoli and cabbage and
>added
>chopped walnuts and some homemade dressing for $2. We made mashed
>cauliflower with a cheese sauce for $2. That's dinner for four for $8.
>We
>also added homegrown apples free off the tree, but that's cheating.

Cool. Where did you find the low-carb apple trees?

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 12:38 pm
From: Rick

Hello group,

Many of you may already know that we are shearing our Icelandic sheep
this weekend. We will have many fleeces available for purchase
following our shearing. There are colors from white, cream, grey,
brown and black. Some of our Icelandic sheep are spotted and when
spun or blended make a wonderful heather or variegated product.

You can view our flock on our website www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com. When
we shear our sheep, we generally keep the fleeces produced separated.
So, you can see the fleece and order it by color or sheep name!
Prices start at $0.50 per ounce and will ship anywhere USPS will take
it.

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com
www.FiberArtFest.com

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 11:47 am
From: JonL

Bob F wrote:
> "Micky" <guuwwe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e8be8a0a-c13f-48f2-8228-ef670071475d@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> Why is it important to see Obama's college records? Because the media
>> has created fantasies around Obama on every issue. You should start
>> dispelling them with the easiest one, i.e. the fantasy of Obama's
>> "academic degrees and honors".
>
>
> And McCain won't release his medical records. Certainly a VERY inmportant
> consideration considering his VP nominee.

What's it matter...the Med records won't have an expected Death date.
At least we know he graduated 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy.

> And how many Palin interviews have you seen this week? They don't dare let her
> get asked real questions for fear of her (non)answers. You want a President
> Palin? Now that's a scary thought.

Imo. no need to be smart to be a good prez. They're not the Deciders,
they just take orders from the Organ Grinders behind the scene.
(presidents are their dancing monkeys)

.
Imo, Palin can do an adequate job, with just a 2.2 gpa in high school.
Plus , her Wechsler I.Q score was 83, A _Dull Normal_, a few points
above _Borderline Retarded_ (70-80).

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== 1 of 15 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 14 2008 11:20 pm
From: Jeff

ChairMan wrote:
> In news:Rq-dnTwjy7BOWGnVnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@earthlink.com,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com>spewed forth:
>> ChairMan wrote:
>>> In news:7jl6f4ldenr79pkva926m7fv4tlva508p3@4ax.com,
>>> jdoe <jdoe@aol.com>spewed forth:
>>>> On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:14:42 GMT, aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:18:13 -0400, TheTruth <no404@bellsouth.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hussein Obama's First 10 Executive Orders
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quotes from BarrackObama.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama enacts stronger "federal hate crimes legislation" to
>>>>>>> "reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal
>>>>>>> Section."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama creates "a fund to help people refinance their mortgages
>>>>>>> and provide comprehensive supports to innocent homeowners."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama, following through on his pledge to "meet with the
>>>>>>> leaders of
>>>>>>> all nations, friend and foe," signs a non-agression pact with the
>>>>>>> Hitler
>>>>>>> of Iran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama doubles foreign aid to $50 billion to cut "poverty around
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world in half by 2015."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama removes our troops from Iraq, leaving a power vacuum
>>>>>>> filled by Iran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama enacts socialized medicine, destroying small businesses
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> taxes to pay for illegal alien healthcare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama enacts amnesty for illegal aliens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama enacts legislation demanding carbon friendly cars,
>>>>>>> hammering the final nail in the coffin of the US car industry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Barack Obama enact laws to reinforce affirmative action by
>>>>>>> funneling money to "women and minority-owned businesses."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama repeals the Bush tax cuts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> . Obama enacts the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to entrench
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> power of the homosexual lobby.
>>>>>> Whaaaaaaaata jigaboo!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ted
>>>>> There are maybe 2 things on that list POTUS has any control over.
>>>>> The rest are controlled by Congress.
>>>> barrack hussein obama and a compliant congress, one that is leftist
>>>> controlled, will almost certainly be able to do irreparable damage
>>>
>>> nobama and pelosi have already met and plan to call a special session
>>> immediately after the election in hopes of passing legislation to
>>> spend almost $150 billion in extended benefits.
>> You realize that that 150B is a small fraction of the 5T in debt
>> that your fearless leader George W Bush and the Republican Congress
>> ran up along with the largest increase in government in history.
>
> Oh so in your mind as long as it's your guys adding to it it's okay.
> 150B here and 150B there and another

Where were you during the Medicare giveaway? Trillions have been
foolishly spent that only enriched the wealthy, in this case Drug Companies.

And there is nothing in the works but speculation. There is however
McCains 300 Billion mortgage giveaway. That's twice your speculative
figure. Why silent on that?
>
>
>> Almost all of that "stimulus" is aimed at local and state
>> governments who have been widely suffering. Not an insignificant
>> amount but what happens if we fail to stop the failure of local
>> governments to provide necessary services? I live in a red state and
>> I can tell you that the state and many red run local governments are
>> in serious trouble. This is a serious issue that will once again be
>> ignored by George W Bush until it reaches catastrophe proportions.
>> Past is prologue. Whether I will support that, I don't know, there is
>> no bill.
>
> Why are they suffering?
> Could it be their own inability to balance a budget?
> And why is the responsibility of the fed to fix it?

Have you missed that the economy is rapidly decelerating?

And there is no proposal only an agreement to look into what is
necessary. Irregardless some stimulus will be necessary or the already
decelerating economy will decelerate much faster.

Now clearly, if George W Bush hadn't taken a 230 Billion surplus and
left us with 5 trillion in additional debt this would have been much
easier to manage. And exactly who has been left better off under these
economic policies?

None of this would have happened with an administration that tended
to the business of government. The right wing has gotten absolutely
everything it wanted under a compliant George W Bush administration.

>
>> Now for the bait, so we can see your true colors. What about these
>> terrorists associations that are being made against Obama?
>
> Lets see. Obama says Pastor Wright is no longer his buddy suddenly. Sudden
> change of heart after such a long relationship. Hmmm.

Obama has completely disinherited the Reverand Wright. Nice speech on
that if you need me to dig it up.

Unlike the ties that Sara Palin and John McCain have:

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/10/20/081020taco_talk_hertzberg

For example, Todd Palin was a registered member of the Alaskan
Independence Party—to which his wife, as governor, has sent friendly
greetings—between 1995 and 2002. Four years before Todd joined, the
A.I.P.'s founder, Joe Vogler, declared, "The fires of hell are frozen
glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," and added,
referring to the Stars and Stripes, "I won't be buried under their
damned flag!" (Sure enough, in 1995, Vogler, after being murdered in
connection with an informal transaction involving plastic explosives,
was buried in Canada.) Good material for an attack ad there, no? Ditto
the fact that during the early nineteen-eighties John McCain sat on the
advisory board of General John Singlaub's U.S. Council for World
Freedom—the American outpost of the World Anti-Communist League, a sort
of clearing house for former Nazi collaborators, Central American
death-squad leaders, and assorted international thugs. And, unlike
Obama's alleged palship with Ayers, these things are true.

And it goes far beyond even that.

Is it that you support these fanatics that have such deep ties into
Palin?

It seems to me that you support the politics of hate. But then that's
just about all you have left.

Obviously there's ammunition to feed personal attacks on both sides.

Retiring Va Rep. Tom Davis (R) put it this way:

"The Republican brand is in the trash can. I've often observed that if
we were a dog food, they would take us off the shelf."

There really is nothing left on your side but personal innuendo. You
can't defend the direction the country has been taken under George W
Bush and there is no policy shift under McCain. Only more trickle down.

You can sell your dog food somewhere else. Even dogs don't like it.

Jeff

>
> Well that's OK. Wright is not without friends. He had a traveling buddy
> named Farrakhan. Farrakhan has called Nobama the "Messiah" Back some time
> ago they decided they needed a trip and
> went to see another buddy overseas. This bud would be Muammar el-Qaddafi.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/us/politics/06obama.html
>
> Qaddafi as you may recall is a spunky one. His ties include the
> assassination of Prime Minister of Jordan as well as killing 11 athletes
> during the Olympics in Munich. But I'm sure Wright's visit was to just show
> Qaddafi there's a better path and Qaddafi bought right in.
>
>
> Around 1979 Obama started college at Occidental in California . He is very
> open about his two years at Occidental, he tried all kinds of drugs and was
> wasting his time but, even though he had a brilliant mind, did not apply
> himself to his studies.
>
> Barry' (that was the name he used all his life) during this time had two
> roommates, Muhammad Hasan Chandoo and Wahid Hamid, both from Pakistan.
> During the summer of 1981, after his second year in college, he made a
> 'round the world' trip. Stopping to see his mother in Indonesia , next
> Hyderabad in India , three weeks in Karachi , Pakistan where he stayed with
> his roommate's family, then off to Africa to visit his father's family. My
> question: Where did he get the money for this trip? Neither I, nor any one
> of my children would have had money for a trip like this when they where in
> college. When he came back he started school at Columbia University in New
> York. It is at this time he wants everyone to call him Barack - not Barry.
> Do you know what the tuition is at Columbia ? It's not cheap! to say the
> least. Where did he get money for tuition? Student Loans? Maybe. After
> Columbia , he went to Chicago to work as a Community Organizer for $12,000.
> a year. Why Chicago ? Why not New York ? He was already living in New York .
>
> By 'chance' he met Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, born in Aleppo Syria , and a real
> estate developer in Chicago . Rezko has been convicted of fraud and bribery
> this year. Rezko, was n amed 'Entrepreneur of the Decade' by the
> Arab-American Business and Professional Association'. About two years later,
> Obama entered Harvard Law School . Do you have any idea what tuition is for
> Harvard Law School ? Where did he get the money for Law School ? More
> student loans? After Law school, he went back to Chicago . Rezko offered him
> a job, which he turned down. But, he did take a job with Davis, Miner,
> Barnhill & Galland. Guess what? They represented Rezar' which Rezko's firm.
> Rezko was one of Obama's first major financial contributors when he ran for
> office in Chicago.
>
> In 2003, Rezko threw an early fundraiser for Obama which Chicago Tribune
> reporter David Mendelland claims was instrumental in providing Obama with
> 'seed money' for his U. S. Senate race. In 2005, Obama purchased a new home
> in Kenwoood District of Chicago for $1.65 million (less than asking price).
> With ALL those Student Loans: where did he get the money for the property?
> On the same day Rezko's wife, Rita, purchased the adjoining empty lot for
> full price.
>
> The London Times reported that Nadhmi Auchi, an Iraqi-born Billionaire
> loaned Rezko $3.5 million three weeks before Obama's new home was purchased.
> Obama met Nadhmi Auchi many times with Rezko.
>
> Now, we have Obama running for President.
>
> Valerie Jarrett, was Michele Obama's boss. She is now Obama's chief advisor
> and he does not make any major decisions without talking to her first. Where
> was Jarrett born? Ready for this? Shiraz , Iran ! Do we see a pattern here?
> Or am I going crazy?
>
> On May 10, 2008 The Times reported, Robert Malley advisor to Obama was
> 'sacked' after the press found out he was having regular contacts with
> 'Hamas', which controls Gaza and is connected with Iran . This past week,
> buried in the back part of the papers, Iraqi newspapers reported that during
> Obama's visit to Iraq, he asked their leaders to do nothing about the war
> until after he is elected, and he will 'Take care of things'.
>
> Oh, and by the way, remember the college roommates that where born in
> Pakistan ? They are in charge of all those 'small' Internet campaign
> contribution for Obama. Where is that money coming from? The poor and middle
> class in this country. or could it be from the Middle East ?
>
> And the final bit of news. On September 7,
> 2008, The Washington Times posted a verbal slip that was made on 'This Week'
> with George Stephanapoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, 'My
> Muslim faith'. When questioned, he made a mistake'. Some mistake!
>
>
>
>
>
>> What about
>> the use of Hussein instead of his real first name?
>
> What about it?
> It's his real name.
> Do have the same problem with what Palin, McCain or Bush have been called by
> the left?
> Keep in mind, what they have been called aren't even close to their "real"
> names
>
>

== 2 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 3:32 am
From: clams_casino

HeyBub wrote:

>
>
>Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush administration:
>low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight quarters of economic
>growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the wars in Iraq and
>Afghanistan.
>
>
>

Now that's funny.

== 3 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 3:41 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <2olaf4pm984m0pujoiamnsvml7hhacgt3g@4ax.com>, on 10/14/2008
at 10:36 PM, jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> said:

>On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:54:02 -0230, clouddreamer
><Stop@Climate.change.ca> wrote:

>>
>>
>>Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
>>doing it...and we get better health care.
>>
>> ..
>is that so? isn't more like rationed health care? why do so many of you
>canucks come to the US for their health care?

Hey right wing asshole, a few come for elective care, because they choose
to on vacation. Not needed care. Stop the lying goober.

There is no rationing of health care in Canada. There is rationing in the
US. If you can't afford it, you don't get it. And bush and the right
wingers are fighting to keep it that way and make it worse.

>__________________________________________
>Never argue with an idiot.
>They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 4 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 3:41 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

Anything a democratic congress does, will be better then the problems
created by the right wigners -- who have brought us another depression.

In <OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com>, on 10/14/2008
at 09:36 PM, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> said:

>TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>>> original poster claimed.
>>
>>
>> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
>> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>>

>Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives, not
> the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic control,
>they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming post
>offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other about
>groundhogs.

== 5 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 3:41 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <u_6dnV_pMdN50mjVnZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>, on 10/14/2008
at 09:05 PM, gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) said:

>In article <dD9Jk.1047$Rx2.566@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
> <TruthTeller@nospam.net> wrote:
>>In <gd33js$8kl$1@panix2.panix.com>, on 10/14/2008
>> at 05:40 PM, wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) said:

>>>In article <48f4a8fc$0$9266$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>>>"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> said:
> [ ... ]
>>>> Pelosi can and will, do try to keep up.
>>>> Did you even read the article?

>>>Yup. I also read the part where you said "nobama and pelosi have already
>>>met and plan to call a special session immediately after the election".

>>Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>>the right wing mess ASAP!

>Perhaps that the prime architects of the mess were Democrats?

Really? Is that why 15 states passed anti-predatory lending laws to
control the prblem during 2001-2008? It was the bush
no-need-for-regulation thinking the new laws were needed to stop.

Now we need one to stop right wign lying.

>Gary

== 6 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 3:41 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <Sdqdnwrpsya1y2jvnz2dnuvz_vadnz2d@earthlink.com>, on 10/14/2008
at 09:34 PM, "Heybub" <heybub@Nospamgmail.com> said:

>TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>> Gee the right wign kooks have just handed you a 2 trillion dollar
>> bill for socializing banks, AIG, GM, etc., not to mention another 2
>> trillion for iraq -- and you're worried about the people who want to
>> stop the right wing spending and nonsense?
>>
>> You need to get your head straight son; e.g., the fuck ups are the
>> people you like.

>Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush
>administration: low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight
>quarters of economic growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the
>wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a mere
>twenty-one months they fucked up the economy beyond all recognition.

It was all built on phony credit-care finances son. The bills prove it.

And hey asshole, the problems are all at the feet of the right wing. You
see asshole, the controls were in he hands of bush; e.g., the executive
branch and the the right wing filibusters in the congress. -- Not the
democrats in Congress.

Now stop lying scumball. The lying you idiots do, is why the People are
throwing your right wign asses out of the government in 3 weeks.

Get the message goober.

>It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with their
>favorite projects.

== 7 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 5:08 am
From: clams_casino

ChairMan wrote:

>
>Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work with
>what's handed to him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Then obviously you won't be voting for any presidential candidate.

== 8 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 5:31 am
From: "HeyBub"

George Grapman wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush
>> administration: low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight
>> quarters of economic growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the
>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a
>> mere twenty-one months they fucked up the economy beyond all
>> recognition.
>
> Tell us the last time the monthly number of jobs created exceeded the
> weekly number of new jobless claims.

From last week: Oct 2, 2008, "The number of U.S. workers filing new claims
for jobless benefits rose to their highest in seven years..."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26988186 This could be because there are more folks,
but it's probably because the Democrats extended the time for which jobless
benefits could be paid. Lazy folks pay attention to things like that.

> Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real
> wages.

The deficit doesn't matter. I can't find a comparison of real wages, but I'm
doing better. Too bad about the lazy folks.

> Tell us in 2003 Bush said we found the WMDs that Cheney in
> 2006 admitted never existed. Then tell us why we invaded Iraq.

We invaded Iraq because it was there, I guess. The president doesn't need a
reason to invade another country. As for WMDs, Sadaam Hussein himself was a
WMD.

>>
>> It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with
>> their favorite projects.

== 9 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 7:26 am
From: George Grapman

HeyBub wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>>> Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush
>>> administration: low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight
>>> quarters of economic growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the
>>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a
>>> mere twenty-one months they fucked up the economy beyond all
>>> recognition.
>> Tell us the last time the monthly number of jobs created exceeded the
>> weekly number of new jobless claims.
>
> From last week: Oct 2, 2008, "The number of U.S. workers filing new claims
> for jobless benefits rose to their highest in seven years..."
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/26988186 This could be because there are more folks,
> but it's probably because the Democrats extended the time for which jobless
> benefits could be paid. Lazy folks pay attention to things like that.
>
>
>> Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real
>> wages.
>
> The deficit doesn't matter. I can't find a comparison of real wages, but I'm
> doing better. Too bad about the lazy folks.

Deficits don't matter. From 1980 to 2000 every Republican platform
called for a balanced budget and blamed deficits on either a Democratic
president or congress. In 2004 the subject vanished. Wonder why.
>
>> Tell us in 2003 Bush said we found the WMDs that Cheney in
>> 2006 admitted never existed. Then tell us why we invaded Iraq.
>
> We invaded Iraq because it was there, I guess. The president doesn't need a
> reason to invade another country. As for WMDs, Sadaam Hussein himself was a
> WMD.

Great theory. A president can invade because. Which president aided
Saddam?
>
>
>>> It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with
>>> their favorite projects.
>
>

== 10 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 8:20 am
From: George Grapman

TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
> Anything a democratic congress does, will be better then the problems
> created by the right wigners -- who have brought us another depression.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In <OrudnWrRd_epymjVnZ2dnUVZ_ofinZ2d@earthlink.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 09:36 PM, "HeyBub" <heybub@NOSPAMgmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>>> But after the election Obama will still be the junior senator from
>>>> Illinois with no power to reconvene the Senate contrary to what the
>>>> original poster claimed.
>>>
>>> That was not the claim. The claim was that he had talked with the
>>> speaker -- who does have the authority.
>>>
>
>> Not exactly. The Speaker can re-convene the House of Representatives, not
>> the Congress. Once this august body gathers under Democratic control,
>> they can do what they excelled at the past two years: naming post
>> offices and issuing declarations proclaiming something or other about
>> groundhogs.

You are ignoring conservative logic. Anything good that happened in
the last 8 years is because of Bush,anything bad is because of Clinton.
Anything bad that happened under Clinton was because of Clinton but
anything good was because of Bush,Sr. or Reagan,
>
>
>

== 11 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 9:17 am
From: "HeyBub"

George Grapman wrote:

>>
>>> Tell us what the deficit was in 2001 and in 2006. Same for real
>>> wages.
>>
>> The deficit doesn't matter. I can't find a comparison of real wages,
>> but I'm doing better. Too bad about the lazy folks.
>
> Deficits don't matter. From 1980 to 2000 every Republican platform
> called for a balanced budget and blamed deficits on either a
> Democratic president or congress. In 2004 the subject vanished.
> Wonder why.

The people who write the platform finally came to the realization that
deficits don't really matter?

Well, within reason, of course. Our deficit is nowhere near its historical
high. Sometimes you have to borrow (and spend) money now so that the future
will be better. For example, overthrowing the government of Iraq.

No, wait. Bad example. That's money spent to make us feel better now.

== 12 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 9:28 am
From: professorgunz

clouddreamer wrote:
> Larry Sheldon wrote:
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>
>>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>>
>> I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>>
>> I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.
>
>
> Why not? People in socialist countries don't seem to be having a problem
> doing it...and we get better health care.
>
> ..
>
Then why do they keep coming here to see a doctor?

== 13 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 9:48 am
From: Jeff

Larry Sheldon wrote:
> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>
>> Well she has the right to call one. What's your problem with correcting
>> the right wing mess ASAP!
>
> I like being able to make my mortgage payments and to buy food.
>
> I won't be able to do that as soon as the socialists get free rein.

As has already been pointed out, George W Bush is the biggest socialist.

Or did you miss that the largest insurer (AIG), the largest thrift
(WAMU) and the largest morgage institutions are all "nationalized".

Actually, George W Bush seems not so much like a socialist as a
stalinist, with tentacles into everyday lives as well as corporate
america. Perhaps you missed the eavesdropping and dissemination on calls
home from Iraq. They were literally passing around intimate calls
between servicemen and their wives.

*ucking communists!

Colin Powell's long time aid Colonel Wilkerson put it best when he
stated that George W Bush should be impeached for treason.

Jeff

== 14 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:13 am
From: Jeff

TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
> In <Sdqdnwrpsya1y2jvnz2dnuvz_vadnz2d@earthlink.com>, on 10/14/2008
> at 09:34 PM, "Heybub" <heybub@Nospamgmail.com> said:
>
>
>
>> TruthTeller@nospam.net wrote:
>>> Gee the right wign kooks have just handed you a 2 trillion dollar
>>> bill for socializing banks, AIG, GM, etc., not to mention another 2
>>> trillion for iraq -- and you're worried about the people who want to
>>> stop the right wing spending and nonsense?
>>>
>>> You need to get your head straight son; e.g., the fuck ups are the
>>> people you like.
>
>> Huh? The economy was swell the first six years of the Bush
>> administration: low inflation, super-low unemployment, 22 straight
>> quarters of economic growth. This is spite of 9-11, Katrina, and the
>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Then the Democrats took over. In a mere
>> twenty-one months they fucked up the economy beyond all recognition.
>
>
>
> It was all built on phony credit-care finances son. The bills prove it.
>
> And hey asshole, the problems are all at the feet of the right wing. You
> see asshole, the controls were in he hands of bush; e.g., the executive
> branch and the the right wing filibusters in the congress. -- Not the
> democrats in Congress.
>
> Now stop lying scumball. The lying you idiots do, is why the People are
> throwing your right wign asses out of the government in 3 weeks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

Every part of the country is trending Democrat.
Tradition red states like Virginia are now solid Democrat. NC, is
leaning Democrat although still a tossup.

Amongst many other red states support is eroding.

That pretty much leaves Republicans with the old Dixiecrats and bits
of the prairie. Pretty much the group that runs on blind faith and
hatred is the republican core.

Jeff

>
> Get the message goober.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> It's a wonder we're still ALIVE after they finished tinkering with their
>> favorite projects.
>
>
>

== 15 of 15 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 10:28 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 4:04 am
From: "William Sommerwerck"

> Wouldn't you know it? Just two days after I wrote
> I got caught out.

I've learned from experience to take a big pile o' freshly recharged
batteries when I go out to photograph. One advantage of this is that I can
leave the flash on all the time, not having to switch it on and off as I
take pictures.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 5:02 am
From: "Dave Plowman (News)"

In article <csWdnSKf_9kJU2jVnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@comcast.com>,
William Sommerwerck <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Wouldn't you know it? Just two days after I wrote
> > I got caught out.

> I've learned from experience to take a big pile o' freshly recharged
> batteries when I go out to photograph. One advantage of this is that I
> can leave the flash on all the time, not having to switch it on and off
> as I take pictures.

Indeed - which makes the self discharge rate pretty irrelevant. Especially
as even Ni-Cads aren't that bad.

--
*What was the best thing before sliced bread? *

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 5:37 am
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 14, 7:11 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> $5,560).
>
> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/co...

Unfortunately, the sun never reaches the ground in many places where
they drive in China. The mileage claims seem greatly exaggerated and
would depend on direct sun for 30 hours. It could take all week to
charge if you were lucky. Reports from China constantly announce what
they think is news, progress, or an oddity. Put this in the oddity
category. College students around the world have been building solar
cars for years.
PS. I liked the submarine that a man made in his backyard out of 55
gallon apple juice drums welded together. Now that was more of a death
trap than this kitty car with the ping pong table mounted on top.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 5:59 am
From: "Lou"

"James" <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b9b0e485-5a29-418c-b3a8-1b32f3898816@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> $5,560).
>
> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_16609473.htm

Let's see, the car will travel roughly 93 miles after sitting in the sun for
30 hours. Taking nighttime, cloudy days, and seasonal variations into
account, you might average 6 hours of sun a day. My round trip daily
commute is 80 miles, 5 days a week.

Looks like I'd need 5 of these cars just to get back and forth to work.
That doesn't count driving for weekly errands like groceries, trips to the
hardware store, or travelling to amusements. Also, that 6 hours of sun a
day is just an average - if it's overcast for a week, I still have to go to
work. So I'd need at least one spare (I'd feel better with two, but let's
not go overboard).

So that's a total of 6 cars at $5,560 each, or $33,360. That's a lot of
money and parking space. In return, I wouldn't have to spend money on gas.
My car averages 33.41 miles per gallon, I drive 400 miles per week, so
that's about 12 gallons a week. At $3/gallon that comes to $36/week, or
$1,800 a year (allowing 2 weeks vacation). At zero interest, the gas
savings would pay for the cars in only 18.5 years.

Will these cars last that long? Maybe - after all, I'd only be using each
one for one day a week. But it doesn't look like a good substitute for my
present car for me. Lastly, there's my wife - her commute is 600 miles a
week. She'd need a dozen of these cars, since the 93 mile range wouldn't
give her one round trip a day.

I wouldn't buy the car - it's not suitable for my needs. As an aside,
people have been building solar powered cars occasionally at least since I
was in my teens some 50 years ago. The cost has come down, but so far the
range hasn't changed appreciably - there's only so much energy per square
yard of sunny surface, and even if you could convert it all into electricity
it wouldn't be enough to run the average lawnmower.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 7:46 am
From: "A \"That One\""

In article
<b9b0e485-5a29-418c-b3a8-1b32f3898816@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The mini car produced by Zhejiang's 001 Group was designed to target
> the increasingly serious energy crisis. The group has so far produced
> over 10 such cars and each of them will sell for 38,000 yuan (US
> $5,560).
>
> http://www.china.org.cn/environment/health_green_living/2008-10/14/content_166
> 09473.htm

ya know the first Prius could not be charged from a solar panel. or your
home outlet.
they changed that.,
I assume this attempt can be charged at work or at home form the house
current or a battery charger.
or will be by popular demand.
No.?
--
Money; What a concept !

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TOPIC: My prognosis... what is real 'value' and what drives recovery
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 6:03 am
From: "Lou"

"Tony" <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote in message
news:48F3F70E.12FED3BD@TheDeli.Sandwich...
> So shall it be written in the history books the downfall of todays'
> society and economies are fucking immigrants. You don't have to look
> farther than the country i live in ... CanaDUH. We were once third in the
> entire world in productivity now we rank near dead last with pakistan and
> india. Why because Trudeau opened the floodgates to these bastards who
> destroyed my country. Similarly this has happened to America but to a
> lesser extent as they took in less fucking immigrants so their
> productivity is still relatively high. America's only hope is to deport
> all immigrants or anything that looks like an immigrant. An immigrant has
> inborn traits that makes them lazy, lying, leadweight maggots.

Hmm, with a name like "Tony" and drawing on classic sterotypes, you must be
Italian. I trust you'll be first on the boat to return to your ancestral
country.

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TOPIC: BDSM in BDSM mpeg
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d1406ba9aa7a7b64?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 7:04 am
From: krystinacarle@gmail.com

BDSM http://youtubeplayer.byethost9.com/jpeg/bdsm.html BDSM

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TOPIC: Cheap isolation against freezing pipes in winter? Have a question, guys.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 7:51 am
From: "A \"That One\""

In article
<56ca52d1-4e97-4dcc-8968-6a65c6af7963@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Ron Peterson <ron@shell.core.com> wrote:

> On Oct 10, 9:11 am, GeneCook2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I was thinking of stuffing newspapers in plastic bags and taping it in
> > the inside of the house on cold walls in order to isolate my home that
> > way. Did anybody of you do that in the past? Did it work? Did you had
> > an effective defense against freezing pipes?
>
> There is heat tape which gets wrapped around your lines and when
> plugged in keeps your pipes from freezing.
>
> --
> Ron

did you know the hot water pipes freeze first?
--
Money; What a concept !

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TOPIC: Still not reading ansd supporting my blog?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 8:09 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

Stop being beholden to mainstream propaganda. Stop being screwed by your
financial advisor. Start getting the info you need to make informed
money decisions.

http://cheapogroovo.vox.com

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TOPIC: Math on the bailout doesn't add up...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3213ff522966e10e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Oct 15 2008 9:16 am
From: gabydewilde

On Sep 29, 3:13 am, "Dave" <no...@nohow.not> wrote:
>
> The Great Depression will look like a cakewalk compared to the impending
> financial collapse of the U.S.
>

They forbid hemp during the "great" depression.

It was the last free source of energy, food and clothing.

Then they took it away when people needed it the most.

If you owned 1 seed you went to prison.

Forget about your "ohhhh drugs are evol!!! dogma for a moment"

Imagine those farmers who already had the hardest possible time.

Then growing food was forbidden by law!

In stead people starved and others cut down all the forests.

O_O

Like mowing the lawn.

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