Frugal Living: Jan 24, 2008

Thursday, January 24, 2008

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: How much does it cost you to live a day in your life?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4df06601e0a3cd77?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:56 am
From: skarkada@gmail.com

>
> Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.
>

Your gross income minus all savings will give you total annual
expenses that include taxes, donations, pet maintenance, and
everything.

Divide that amount by the number of people in the family and divide
that by 365 and that gives your daily expense.

Calculating how much you really need depends on yourself alone. (That
should be apparent with all the responses in this thread.)

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:26 pm
From: William Souden

Rod Speed wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 23, 9:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>>
>>> And to do it every day.
>>>
>>> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>>
>>> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>>> sooner than you think.
>>>
>>> TMT
>> I noticed that no one has mentioned their daily costs for taxes.
>>
>> Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.
>>
>> Doesn't anyone pay taxes?
>
> Few have a clue idea about how much taxes they do pay per day.
>
>
In your case it is limited to sales tax. For obvious reasons income
and property taxes do not apply to you.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:39 pm
From: clams_casino

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>On Jan 23, 9:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>
>>And to do it every day.
>>
>>So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>
>>Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>>sooner than you think.
>>
>>TMT
>>
>>
>
>I noticed that no one has mentioned their daily costs for taxes.
>
>Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.
>
>Doesn't anyone pay taxes?
>
>TMT
>
>

According to Faux News & the Rush sheep, only the wealthy pay taxes.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 5:07 pm
From: val189

On Jan 23, 8:37 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "val189" <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:06beadde-6e13-4297-b768-943f2c6f33d2@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jan 23, 10:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>
> >> And to do it every day.
>
> >> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>
> >> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
> >> sooner than you think.
>
> >> TMT
>
> > Impossible to answer. There's are many levels of living costs between
> > my present living standard and taking my place under the overpass.
> > A better question might be - what did you spend per person per day
> > last year? And where could you cut?
>
> > I guess if I gave up all forms of insurance, car, sat in the dark,
> > rented something squalid and lived on beans, I could get by pretty
> > cheaply.
>
> Living on beans would certainly set you apart from your friends.

Well, fer shur - entertainment would be eliminated entirely in my
barebones existence.

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TOPIC: Soldering eyeglass Frames
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ffd45cd171f652d0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 12:01 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

JoeSpareBedroom writes:

> You suggested taking imported glasses back to the person who wrote the
> prescription.

Yes, optometrists are professionally bound to check your fit. They are not
in the business of selling eyeglasses or profiting from their sale. Kind
of like how medical doctors don't sell drugs or care where you get your
prescription filled. Think about why it has to be that way, ethically and
professionally.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 12:08 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

"Richard J Kinch" <kinch@truetex.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A2F98D31DC59someconundrum@216.196.97.131...
> JoeSpareBedroom writes:
>
>> You suggested taking imported glasses back to the person who wrote the
>> prescription.
>
> Yes, optometrists are professionally bound to check your fit. They are
> not
> in the business of selling eyeglasses or profiting from their sale. Kind
> of like how medical doctors don't sell drugs or care where you get your
> prescription filled. Think about why it has to be that way, ethically and
> professionally.

True, but I get my eyes checked by an opthalmologist for a number of
reasons. She (and her office) aren't that easy to access.

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TOPIC: Seen those coupons for a Quizno's "Low Cal' Flatbread Sandwich? Think
Again
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/90037a1f4ea09ec6?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 12:37 pm
From: Dave

As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose. Most of it
stems from the fast food society, a culture that we seem bent on
exporting throughout the world. This does no one any good.

I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations treat
the consumer who is trying to eat healthy. Let's use Quizno's as an
example of what I mean here.

I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically a
Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches taste
relatively good although they have been criticized for the excessive
calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches. And, of course, it
goes without saying that they really push their side orders of chips
and large soda drinks as well.

But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent
round of advertising. They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they
call the "Sammie." Have you seen these ads? The photographs are
guaranteed to get you into their franchises, especially if you are
watching calories and trying to eat healthy. There's a photo in your
Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken Balsamic sandwich . . . the
sandwich is literally bursting at the seams, stuffed with 12 or 13
visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce and tomato, and
right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.

That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long
time.

The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny
little thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be
only 200 calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)

I'm a consumer advocate, so I called the 800 number on the door of my
franchise with a complaint. Oddly, the number was right below a giant
photo of the sandwich I was eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I
THOUGHT I'd be eating.

They have "never gotten a complaint about this before" according to
the Quizno's representative I spoke with. When I later spoke to the
franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same concern from
everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.

Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at
best.

Dave

Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave <djensen36@cox.net> wrote:

> As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose.

Yes.

> Most of it stems from the fast food society,

Nope, its a problem even with those not into fast food.

> a culture that we seem bent on exporting
> throughout the world. This does no one any good.

Wrong, it does provide a useful source of fast food.

> I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations
> treat the consumer who is trying to eat healthy.

More fool you.

> Let's use Quizno's as an example of what I mean here.

> I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically
> a Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches
> taste relatively good although they have been criticized for the
> excessive calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.

> And, of course, it goes without saying that they really push
> their side orders of chips and large soda drinks as well.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy those.

> But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent round of advertising.

Your problem.

> They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they call the "Sammie."
> Have you seen these ads? The photographs are guaranteed to get
> you into their franchises,

No they arent.

> especially if you are watching calories and trying to eat healthy.

Wrong again.

> There's a photo in your Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken
> Balsamic sandwich . . . the sandwich is literally bursting at the seams,
> stuffed with 12 or 13 visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce
> and tomato, and right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.

> That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long time.

Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself inside one of their franchises.

That'll stop them.

> The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny little
> thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be only 200
> calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)

Only a fool wouldnt expect anything else with that many calories.

> I'm a consumer advocate,

Nope, just a wanker.

> so I called the 800 number on the door of my franchise with a complaint.
> Oddly, the number was right below a giant photo of the sandwich I was
> eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I THOUGHT I'd be eating.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.

> They have "never gotten a complaint about this before"
> according to the Quizno's representative I spoke with.

That means that there arent as many wankers around as you. Fortunately.

> When I later spoke to the franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same
> concern from everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.

> Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at best.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:29 pm
From: Siskuwihane

On Jan 24, 4:03 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
> > As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Most of it stems from the fast food society,
>
> Nope, its a problem even with those not into fast food.
>
> > a culture that we seem bent on exporting
> > throughout the world. This does no one any good.
>
> Wrong, it does provide a useful source of fast food.
>
> > I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations
> > treat the consumer who is trying to eat healthy.
>
> More fool you.
>
> > Let's use Quizno's as an example of what I mean here.
> > I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically
> > a Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches
> > taste relatively good although they have been criticized for the
> > excessive calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.
>
> > And, of course, it goes without saying that they really push
> > their side orders of chips and large soda drinks as well.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy those.
>
> > But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent round of advertising.
>
> Your problem.
>
> > They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they call the "Sammie."
> > Have you seen these ads? The photographs are guaranteed to get
> > you into their franchises,
>
> No they arent.
>
> > especially if you are watching calories and trying to eat healthy.
>
> Wrong again.
>
> > There's a photo in your Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken
> > Balsamic sandwich . . . the sandwich is literally bursting at the seams,
> > stuffed with 12 or 13 visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce
> > and tomato, and right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.
>
> > That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long time.
>
> Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself inside one of their franchises.
>
> That'll stop them.
>
> > The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> > above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny little
> > thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be only 200
> > calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> > a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> > on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> > carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> > content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> > little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)
>
> Only a fool wouldnt expect anything else with that many calories.
>
> > I'm a consumer advocate,
>
> Nope, just a wanker.
>
> > so I called the 800 number on the door of my franchise with a complaint.
> > Oddly, the number was right below a giant photo of the sandwich I was
> > eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I THOUGHT I'd be eating.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.
>
> > They have "never gotten a complaint about this before"
> > according to the Quizno's representative I spoke with.
>
> That means that there arent as many wankers around as you. Fortunately.
>
> > When I later spoke to the franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same
> > concern from everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.
>
> > Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> > Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at best.
>
> No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.

The only wanker is Rod Speed giving a Blow-By-Blow response to
something he knows nothing about.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:31 pm
From: William Souden

Dave wrote:
> As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose. Most of it
> stems from the fast food society, a culture that we seem bent on
> exporting throughout the world. This does no one any good.
>
> I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations treat
> the consumer who is trying to eat healthy. Let's use Quizno's as an
> example of what I mean here.
>
> I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically a
> Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches taste
> relatively good although they have been criticized for the excessive
> calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches. And, of course, it
> goes without saying that they really push their side orders of chips
> and large soda drinks as well.
>
> But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent
> round of advertising. They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they
> call the "Sammie." Have you seen these ads? The photographs are
> guaranteed to get you into their franchises, especially if you are
> watching calories and trying to eat healthy. There's a photo in your
> Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken Balsamic sandwich . . . the
> sandwich is literally bursting at the seams, stuffed with 12 or 13
> visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce and tomato, and
> right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.
>
> That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long
> time.
>
> The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny
> little thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be
> only 200 calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)
>
> I'm a consumer advocate, so I called the 800 number on the door of my
> franchise with a complaint. Oddly, the number was right below a giant
> photo of the sandwich I was eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I
> THOUGHT I'd be eating.
>
> They have "never gotten a complaint about this before" according to
> the Quizno's representative I spoke with. When I later spoke to the
> franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same concern from
> everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.
>
> Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at
> best.
>
> Dave
>
> Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

I recently read they have a new CEO who is trying to turn things
around. So far his biggest move is to limit coupons to 4 times a year
rather than almost every other week.
It seems when customers see a coupon regularly they stop going when
it is not there. He is hoping that after a few weeks they will give in.
Might work, on the other hand they might just wait, something I used to
do with Boston Market when there was one near my office.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:37 pm
From: William Souden

Siskuwihane wrote:
>
> The only wanker is Rod Speed giving a Blow-By-Blow response to
> something he knows nothing about.

Yep, even if they were in Australia he would never see the coupons
because he never looks at a newspaper as facts upset him.

William Souden
racetrack bum and sales fool.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:47 pm
From: George

What you described is what I find wrong with big box industrial
restaurants and really shows the power of marketing. Just keep saying
something enough and people will believe it.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 2:02 pm
From: Dave

On Jan 25, 7:29 am, Siskuwihane <Siskuwih...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 4:03 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose.
>
> > Yes.
>
> > > Most of it stems from the fast food society,
>
> > Nope, its a problem even with those not into fast food.
>
> > > a culture that we seem bent on exporting
> > > throughout the world. This does no one any good.
>
> > Wrong, it does provide a useful source of fast food.
>
> > > I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations
> > > treat the consumer who is trying to eat healthy.
>
> > More fool you.
>
> > > Let's use Quizno's as an example of what I mean here.
> > > I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically
> > > a Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches
> > > taste relatively good although they have been criticized for the
> > > excessive calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.
>
> > > And, of course, it goes without saying that they really push
> > > their side orders of chips and large soda drinks as well.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy those.
>
> > > But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent round of advertising.
>
> > Your problem.
>
> > > They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they call the "Sammie."
> > > Have you seen these ads? The photographs are guaranteed to get
> > > you into their franchises,
>
> > No they arent.
>
> > > especially if you are watching calories and trying to eat healthy.
>
> > Wrong again.
>
> > > There's a photo in your Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken
> > > Balsamic sandwich . . . the sandwich is literally bursting at the seams,
> > > stuffed with 12 or 13 visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce
> > > and tomato, and right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there.
>
> > > That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long time.
>
> > Do the decent thing and set fire to yourself inside one of their franchises.
>
> > That'll stop them.
>
> > > The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> > > above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny little
> > > thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be only 200
> > > calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> > > a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> > > on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> > > carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> > > content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> > > little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)
>
> > Only a fool wouldnt expect anything else with that many calories.
>
> > > I'm a consumer advocate,
>
> > Nope, just a wanker.
>
> > > so I called the 800 number on the door of my franchise with a complaint.
> > > Oddly, the number was right below a giant photo of the sandwich I was
> > > eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I THOUGHT I'd be eating.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.
>
> > > They have "never gotten a complaint about this before"
> > > according to the Quizno's representative I spoke with.
>
> > That means that there arent as many wankers around as you. Fortunately.
>
> > > When I later spoke to the franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same
> > > concern from everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.
>
> > > Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> > > Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at best.
>
> > No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to eat there again.
>
> The only wanker is Rod Speed giving a Blow-By-Blow response to
> something he knows nothing about.

I have that guy filtered out. He's always been a bit flagrant. Must
have a very boring life, eh?

Dave

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 2:03 pm
From: Dave

On Jan 25, 7:31 am, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> > As everyone knows, the USA has a lot of weight to lose. Most of it
> > stems from the fast food society, a culture that we seem bent on
> > exporting throughout the world. This does no one any good.
>
> > I think it is a SHAM the way that certain fast food corporations treat
> > the consumer who is trying to eat healthy. Let's use Quizno's as an
> > example of what I mean here.
>
> > I'm sure you've been to one of these restaurants. It's basically a
> > Subway with a toaster in the middle, and the sandwiches taste
> > relatively good although they have been criticized for the excessive
> > calories and fat count in most of their sandwiches. And, of course, it
> > goes without saying that they really push their side orders of chips
> > and large soda drinks as well.
>
> > But I personally never felt bad about Quizno's until their recent
> > round of advertising. They are now pushing a flatbread sandwich they
> > call the "Sammie." Have you seen these ads? The photographs are
> > guaranteed to get you into their franchises, especially if you are
> > watching calories and trying to eat healthy. There's a photo in your
> > Sunday paper of a Sammie Grilled Chicken Balsamic sandwich . . . the
> > sandwich is literally bursting at the seams, stuffed with 12 or 13
> > visible chunks of grilled chicken, a ton of lettuce and tomato, and
> > right above it -- in giant letters -- ONLY 200 CALORIES.
>
> > That, my friends, is one of the most blatant shams I've seen in a long
> > time.
>
> > The ad drew me into my local Quizno's franchise, where I ordered the
> > above sandwich and then sat there in disbelief looking at the tiny
> > little thing that I was served. Yes, the sandwich you GET might be
> > only 200 calories. The guy making the Sammie used what appeared to be
> > a teaspoon to dole out one level spoonful of a lettuce and tomato mix,
> > on top of what were 6 or 7 small bites of chicken. All of it very
> > carefully measured onto a tiny round piece of bread. (The sodium
> > content of the balsamic dressing was off the charts, giving this
> > little appetizer sized "meal" an overly-salty and unhealthy flavor.)
>
> > I'm a consumer advocate, so I called the 800 number on the door of my
> > franchise with a complaint. Oddly, the number was right below a giant
> > photo of the sandwich I was eating - or, I should say, the sandwich I
> > THOUGHT I'd be eating.
>
> > They have "never gotten a complaint about this before" according to
> > the Quizno's representative I spoke with. When I later spoke to the
> > franchise owner, he told me that he hears this same concern from
> > everyone, and agrees 100% with me that this is unorthodox advertising.
>
> > Looking for truly healthy and low-cal food in a fast food restaurant?
> > Look further than Quizno's. Those folks are false advertisers, at
> > best.
>
> > Dave
>
> > Full text article above extracted fromhttp://shamvswham.blogspot.com/
>
> I recently read they have a new CEO who is trying to turn things
> around. So far his biggest move is to limit coupons to 4 times a year
> rather than almost every other week.
> It seems when customers see a coupon regularly they stop going when
> it is not there. He is hoping that after a few weeks they will give in.
> Might work, on the other hand they might just wait, something I used to
> do with Boston Market when there was one near my office.

Thanks William, that may explain it. I think the new CEO hired a new
advertising agency, one with absolutely no scruples,

Dave

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 3:08 pm
From: KarlMarx_MiddleClass_Ipod_HipHop

On Jan 24, 4:31 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:

> I recently read they have a new CEO who is trying to turn things
> around. So far his biggest move is to limit coupons to 4 times a year
> rather than almost every other week.
> It seems when customers see a coupon regularly they stop going when
> it is not there. He is hoping that after a few weeks they will give in.
> Might work, on the other hand they might just wait, something I used to
> do with Boston Market when there was one near my office.

A Quiznos opened near where I worked a few years ago. Co-workers would
on occasion use the coupons to get food there. They often remarked
how expensive the place was. No surprise that it closed down after
less than a year in business. Maybe the steep lease rent was what did
them in there. I just could not see spending $8 for a sandwich and
small bag of chips and drink. No way.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 1:47 pm
From: Jeffy3

On Jan 23, 9:43 pm, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
> >> I've got a Canon fax/printer/scanner/thing...
>
> >> I almost never print in color (once a year maybe?).
>
> >> It keeps using color ink even when I print B&W...
>
> >> So... Today, it told me I needed cyan ink. I removed the old cartridge
> >> and
> >> didn't install a new one. Closed the trap doors and set it free. It
> >> thinks
> >> there is plenty of ink, prints in B&W just fine and hasn't given me a
> >> problem yet.
>
> >> If it's a bad idea, someone will probably come along shortly to tell me
> >> so... But it seems like I can just run it without color cartridges if I
> >> only do B&W... Someone already told me that if the inlet for the ink
> >> dries
> >> up, the printer has no mechanism to clean it up... So I may lose color
> >> capabilities forever... Which is fine for me.
>
> >> Thoughts?
>
> > The light did not go out because you left the cart out. It went out
> > because the open vent you created allowed all remaining ink to drain
> > down. Very soon it will actually be totally empty and the light/
> > message should come back. All you will have accomplished is drying out
> > the print head. Carts are easily refilled with cheap aftermarket ink.
> > I've been lucky enough to find ink at the dollar store. I stocked up
> > while it was there and now it's gone. Still, online sources of cheap
> > ink are available. As a hack, you might consider filling the unused
> > carts with a mixture of water and alcohol 50/50 to fool the printer.
> > If it's one of the printers that mixes color to create black, you
> > won't get black with water or empty as you are now. I love to
> > experiment, but I always keep several backup printers and quarts of
> > ink to use in them. You can find many of the answers to these simple
> > questions on the printer peripheral site. Sometimes it's better to
> > learn by the mistakes of others.
>
> You may be right... However, I got the idea from an old Cannon printer
> (probably 8 years old) that has been running cartridge-less for about a
> year... I didn't think to try it on teh new machine.
>
> So what you are saying is that once the resivoir drys up, it'll probably
> clog and then I'll have otehr problems?
>
> This is where I get my ink dirt cheap:
>
> http://www.abacus24-7.com/
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?http://tinyurl.com/5apkg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the link. I see someone finally has replacement cartridges
for my Canon which has those stupid computer chips in the bottom.
Also, I wonder why Abacus's eBay prices are so much cheaper than from
their web-page!?!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 3:26 pm
From: "Joe"

>Thanks for the link. I see someone finally has replacement cartridges
>for my Canon which has those stupid computer chips in the bottom.
>Also, I wonder why Abacus's eBay prices are so much cheaper than from
>their web-page!?!

They have a "private" page somewhere with lower prices... I just can't find
it until I go to the office and remember to check my bookmarks there. I
order 100-200 cartridges at a time so I'm considered a good customer I
guess. <G>
--

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
http://yunx.com/valk.htm

Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
http://tinyurl.com/5apkg

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 2:09 pm
From: bfrabel@hotmail.com

On Jan 24, 11:26 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:14:29 GMT, "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer
>
>
>
> Coordinator" <donna....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:18:07 -0500, Shawn Hirn wrote:
> >> Call a professional heating
> >> and repair person to fix the problem.
>
> >I did. He'll be out here on Saturday. Isn't there ANY maintenance a
> >homeowner can do themselves?
>
> >I'm sure, from the symptoms, that the "limits" kicked in, probably due to
> >some problem with air circulation.
>
> >Besides the filter (which was very dirty but I replaced it yesterday), what
> >other maintenance can I do.
>
> >For example, someone said clean the A/C coils ... but WHERE ARE THEY?
>
> >The furnace is in a tiny closet. The AC fan is outside the house.
>
> Leave it alone. Let the pro fix it.
> You can ask him about what you can do with the maintenances.
> Just keep your pipes from freezing until he gets there.
>
> --Vic

The only maintenance you should do yourself is change the filter
often. They say about once a month, but you could probably get by
with changing it once every 2 or 3 months if you run it with the fan
swith in "auto". Good filters are very important on systems with air
conditioning to prevent the a/c coil (evaporator) from getting plugged
up with dirt and lint. The cheap fiberglass filters are almost
worthless, use the pleated type. As long as you follow the above
suggestion, your evaporator coil will stay clean and you furnace will
last much longer.

If your evaporator coil is dirty, your heating repair person will need
to clean it. It really isn't something that most homeowners can do on
their own. It usually requires cutting a hole in the sheetmetal to
get access to it, and then vacumming it, blowing it out with
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really plugged up bad it may need to be completely removed from the
furnace and taken outside to wash with the garden hose. This would
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lines.

Like I mentioned in a post above, leave the fan swithch on the
thermostat to "on" untill the service guy can come out. This might
help get more airflow through your furnace and keep it running a
little longer before tripping on the limit switch.

Good luck.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 2:27 pm
From: The Real Bev

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

> Chloe wrote:
>> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd suggest some more interent research. As I remember, it's the clothes
>>> dryer that shrinks wool. Line dried might work.

Wool stretches, so hanging isn't that good an idea. Careful pressing
can rememdy the situation, but why do it if you don't need to?

>> It's the heat from the dryer--not the dryer action itself--that shrinks the
>> wool. Hot water will also cause shrinkage. The advice to hand wash and air
>> dry is sound.

Back in the 1950s my grandma made me a skirt out of some blue plaid
orlon+wool material. The thing was machine washed and dried countless
times with no harm and never needed pressing. This is long before the
days of permanent press. It's probably still being worn by some girl in
a third-woeld country...

>>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> I don't know if you'd want to put it on a hanger to dry, but laying it
>>>> flat on a towel as if it were a sweater seems harmless. You'll need to
>>>> press it using the 'wool' setting, of course.
>>> Yup, the OP should just buy a bottle of Woolite and follow the
>>> directions on the package.
>
> And for frugality, I'll note that most supermarket chains have their own
> brands of "Woolite" that are cheaper but the same formulation.

--
Cheers,
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 4:55 pm
From: "Lou"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:47989b8a$0$24121$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47989951$0$7200$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> > I'd suggest some more interent research. As I remember, it's the clothes
> > dryer that shrinks wool. Line dried might work.
>
> It's the heat from the dryer--not the dryer action itself--that shrinks
the
> wool. Hot water will also cause shrinkage. The advice to hand wash and air
> dry is sound.

Hand wash in cold water. Not warm water, not cool water, cold water. Use
detergent, not soap. Don't swish it around, don't wring it, just let it
soak, even overnight. Drain, put in clean cold water to rinse - again,
don't agitate. May need two or three rinses. Drain, and roll up in a towel
to dry - don't squeeze it or wring it.

If it was an expesive garment and you really don't want to lose it, have it
dry cleaned.

>
> > "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:srhi-102CB1.07194924012008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> >>
> >> I don't know if you'd want to put it on a hanger to dry, but laying it
> >> flat on a towel as if it were a sweater seems harmless. You'll need to
> >> press it using the 'wool' setting, of course.
> >
> > Yup, the OP should just buy a bottle of Woolite and follow the
> > directions on the package.
> >
> >
>
>

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 6:07 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:09:55 -0800 (PST), ransley wrote:
> If you have AC look at the coil , clean it if its dirty, is blower
> cage dirty, is filter a restrictive type , try to get more air moving,

I do have air conditioning as part of this furnace setup.
I never did any maintenance on it (it's about seven or so years old).

I'd be glad to clean this AC coil; where would I find it?
Also, do you know of a good source on the web for furnace & ac maintenance
WITH PICTURES?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 7:55 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:07:39 -0700, "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer
Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 06:09:55 -0800 (PST), ransley wrote:
>> If you have AC look at the coil , clean it if its dirty, is blower
>> cage dirty, is filter a restrictive type , try to get more air moving,
>
>I do have air conditioning as part of this furnace setup.
>I never did any maintenance on it (it's about seven or so years old).
>
>I'd be glad to clean this AC coil; where would I find it?
>Also, do you know of a good source on the web for furnace & ac maintenance
>WITH PICTURES?

If you're going to try to fix this, read the troubleshooting manual.
Though newer furnaces are a PITA compared to the older ones,
it's fairly easy to locate the problem.
You said before you sucked a hose and the switch for positive venting
worked.
You didn't say if the venting motor was even starting up.
You might get help from the HVAC guys, but you have to be clear on the
steps you're taking, and exactly what's happening at start-up.
Just make sure you don't try to bypass any of the start-up features.
Very dangerous.

--Vic

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 7:49 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:55:07 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:
> You said before you sucked a hose and the switch for positive venting
> worked.

Yes. What is happening now is different than what at first happened.

FIRST (three blinking lights)
- The smaller motor (which, thanks to this newsgroup, I belatedly realize
is the combustion air venting motor) wasn't spinning - while the larger
motor (which by the process of elimination is the air circulation blower)
was constantly spinning. Perhaps the "limit" (which I take to be a sensor
that shuts things off when it senses something amiss) kicked in for the air
vent.

NOW (four blinking lights)
- I can get the furnace to work for an hour, two or three, but, eventually
the four blinking lights go on indicating one of the two "limits" have been
breached. The two motors (the smaller combustion venting motor and the
larger air circulation blower) remain running but the gas shuts off so the
flame goes out.

A service technician I called said it's 100 bucks to go out to see it so I
have him scheduled for Saturday (the earliest he could get here). Until
then, I want to learn what MAINTENANCE I could/should do.

Where can I get a PICTURE of the maintenance I should do until then?
Please advise!
Thanks,
Donna

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:14 am
From: "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator"

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:18:07 -0500, Shawn Hirn wrote:
> Call a professional heating
> and repair person to fix the problem.

I did. He'll be out here on Saturday. Isn't there ANY maintenance a
homeowner can do themselves?

I'm sure, from the symptoms, that the "limits" kicked in, probably due to
some problem with air circulation.

Besides the filter (which was very dirty but I replaced it yesterday), what
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For example, someone said clean the A/C coils ... but WHERE ARE THEY?

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:26 am
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:14:29 GMT, "Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer
Coordinator" <donna.ohl@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:18:07 -0500, Shawn Hirn wrote:
>> Call a professional heating
>> and repair person to fix the problem.
>
>I did. He'll be out here on Saturday. Isn't there ANY maintenance a
>homeowner can do themselves?
>
>I'm sure, from the symptoms, that the "limits" kicked in, probably due to
>some problem with air circulation.
>
>Besides the filter (which was very dirty but I replaced it yesterday), what
>other maintenance can I do.
>
>For example, someone said clean the A/C coils ... but WHERE ARE THEY?
>
>The furnace is in a tiny closet. The AC fan is outside the house.
>
Leave it alone. Let the pro fix it.
You can ask him about what you can do with the maintenances.
Just keep your pipes from freezing until he gets there.

--Vic

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 7:40 am
From: clams_casino

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 7:45 am
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

clams_casino wrote:
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
>> I'd suggest some more interent research. As I remember, it's the
>> clothes dryer that shrinks wool. Line dried might work.
>>
>>
>>
> It's actually the mechanical action while in a wet state that causes the
> fibers to swell (widthwise) / correspondingly shrink (lengthwise) - both
> the washer & dryer will accelerate shrinkage.

Probably--most sites say to avoid scrubbing, wringing, or other
stressing of the fibers.

On the other hand, people wore wool shirts long before dry cleaning--or
even washing machines--were invented, and while they may not have washed
them quite as often as we do, they must have washed them somehow.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Life is complex--it has real and imaginary parts. --anonymous

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 8:44 am
From:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Mark Anderson" <mea@nospambrandylion.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2201b2d43481514b9899f3@chi.news.speakeasy.net...
>I have this very warm 100% thick wool shirt that I need to clean. I
> know you can't wash wool in the washer but is there a simple cheap way
> to clean this without having to pay a dry cleaner?
>

There are two options. Wash it in cold water with Woolite and dry it flat on
a towel. Put it in the dryer with a Dryel sheet. I actually use the generic
sheets, which are cheaper and use the same formula. I'm still re-using the
original Dryel bag from when the product first came out. Since the shirt
won't be wet, it won't shrink. I do this for several sweaters which can't be
washed.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:35 am
From: clams_casino

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:

> clams_casino wrote:
>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>>> I'd suggest some more interent research. As I remember, it's the
>>> clothes dryer that shrinks wool. Line dried might work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It's actually the mechanical action while in a wet state that causes
>> the fibers to swell (widthwise) / correspondingly shrink (lengthwise)
>> - both the washer & dryer will accelerate shrinkage.
>
>
> Probably--most sites say to avoid scrubbing, wringing, or other
> stressing of the fibers.
>
> On the other hand, people wore wool shirts long before dry
> cleaning--or even washing machines--were invented, and while they may
> not have washed them quite as often as we do, they must have washed
> them somehow.

Actually, wool does not shrink - it felts, giving the impression of
shrinking -

"Wool is a natural fiber with many natural organic characteristics. It's
warmth is created by the tiny packets of air which individual wool
fibers trap naturally.

But, another characteristic of wool yields the secret of why wool
sweaters and clothing knitted from wool yarn can sometimes shrink. Two
conditions are required for wool to shrink. Water and heat. The outside
of the wool fiber is hydrophobic--hates and repels water. The inside of
the wool fiber is hydrophilic--hollow and absorbs water. Every fiber has
a love hate relationship with itself. Even though wool wants to repel
water around the fiber, at a certain point of getting wet, it reverses
its process of repelling water to absorbing water. When this happens it
brings water into it's core and holds it.

In the microscopic view, the outside of the wool fibers look like they
are made from overlapping shingles, like shingles on the roof of your
house. When wool gets wet and heat and agitation is present, wool has a
tendency to overlap and lock the shingles. Thus the impression of
shrinking is created. This is inherent in all wool fibers!!! The only
way to maintain a wool garmets size and avoid shrinking is to let it dry
in a cool area and block or stretch out the shingles when the fabric is
still wet. Dry cleaning is the surest means of cleaning without shrinking."

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:24 am
From: clams_casino

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:26 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 23, 7:37 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "val189" <gwehr...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>
> news:06beadde-6e13-4297-b768-943f2c6f33d2@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 23, 10:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>
> >> And to do it every day.
>
> >> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>
> >> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
> >> sooner than you think.
>
> >> TMT
>
> > Impossible to answer. There's are many levels of living costs between
> > my present living standard and taking my place under the overpass.
> > A better question might be - what did you spend per person per day
> > last year? And where could you cut?
>
> > I guess if I gave up all forms of insurance, car, sat in the dark,
> > rented something squalid and lived on beans, I could get by pretty
> > cheaply.
>
> Living on beans would certainly set you apart from your friends.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Living on beans would certainly set you afart from your friends"

Fixed your typo. ;<)

TMT

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:36 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 23, 7:42 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:4aaea014-c6d3-4fc0-ad76-7290d426a49f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>
> > And to do it every day.
>
> > So what is your minimum cost of living?
>
> > Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
> > sooner than you think.
>
> Despite having just completed my daily browsing of various news-oriented web
> sites, I'm unsure about which of "today's events" triggered your question.
> Are you referring to the 300-point rise in the Dow and if so how does that
> lead to the "minimum cost of living" question? You're surely not implying
> that you think the global economy is on the verge of collapse, I hope.

And Scott...how much does it cost you a day to live?

TMT

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 9:44 am
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 23, 9:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>
> And to do it every day.
>
> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>
> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
> sooner than you think.
>
> TMT

I noticed that no one has mentioned their daily costs for taxes.

Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.

Doesn't anyone pay taxes?

TMT

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 10:01 am
From: George

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> On Jan 23, 9:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>
>> And to do it every day.
>>
>> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>
>> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>> sooner than you think.
>>
>> TMT
>
> I noticed that no one has mentioned their daily costs for taxes.
>
> Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.
>
> Doesn't anyone pay taxes?
>
> TMT

I don't, I called a backdoor number and asked for code "walmart" to be
placed on my SSN.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:29 am
From: "Rod Speed"

clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools wrote:
>
>> On Jan 23, 7:42 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4aaea014-c6d3-4fc0-ad76-7290d426a49f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And to do it every day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>>>> sooner than you think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Despite having just completed my daily browsing of various
>>> news-oriented web sites, I'm unsure about which of "today's events"
>>> triggered your question. Are you referring to the 300-point rise in
>>> the Dow and if so how does that lead to the "minimum cost of
>>> living" question? You're surely not implying that you think the
>>> global economy is on the verge of collapse, I hope.
>>
>> Try reading this.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/business/23leonhardt.html?em&ex=1201237200&en=9f7ec2c4c66a7084&ei=5087%0A
>>
>> The fun is just beginning.

> I'm a believer that both the 99-00 stock bubble & 03 - 06 housing bubble were greatly due to Greenspan's excessive
> lowering of interest rates.

Sure, but thats better than a full depression, stupid.

> The first cheap money was as a precaution to the Y2K fears,

Nope.

> but the later was arguably a bailout for the poor Bush leadership.

Nope. Prezs dont have anything like the effect that the mindless claim they do.

> Much of the excess money in 99-00 went into speculating in a few high tech stocks

Hell of a lot more than just a few.

> and with little else to invest 03-06 cheap money, it went into housing

Utterly mangled all over again. The real effect of the cheap money was that
it allowed those who chose to borrow at something like the limits of what would
be loaned to them to buy a lot more house than they could otherwise borrow for.

> (not wanting to expand business, make stock investments nor spend freely).

Utterly mangled all over again.

> It'll be interesting to see what this week's historic interest rate
> lowering does & how long the rates remain where they are.

Thats always the case when there is any change.

> Unfortunately, in the long run, it may simply result in a further deterioration of the dollar

Utterly mangled all over again. Not doing anything would
certainly do that if the economy is allowed to implode instead.

> / higher oil costs (the increased price of oil over the past seven years can be traced / tracked almost indirectly to
> the value of the dollar).

Wrong, as always. Pity that even countrys that havent seen their currency
sag like the USD has, have seen a similar problem with the cost of oil.

> The expected recession may temporarily reduce oil pricing, but could hurt it even more in the long run.

It aint about oil pricing, its about ensuring that there isnt a full depression, stupid.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:30 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 7:42 pm, "Scott Fargham" <scotty...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:4aaea014-c6d3-4fc0-ad76-7290d426a49f@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>
>>> And to do it every day.
>>
>>> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>
>>> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>>> sooner than you think.
>>
>> Despite having just completed my daily browsing of various
>> news-oriented web sites, I'm unsure about which of "today's events"
>> triggered your question. Are you referring to the 300-point rise in
>> the Dow and if so how does that lead to the "minimum cost of living"
>> question? You're surely not implying that you think the global
>> economy is on the verge of collapse, I hope.

> Try reading this.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/business/23leonhardt.html?em&ex=1201237200&en=9f7ec2c4c66a7084&ei=5087%0A

No thanks, just the usual mindless journo hype.

> The fun is just beginning.

Nope, you watch.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:31 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 9:12 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So how little can you live on..$1000...$100...$10...$1?
>>
>> And to do it every day.
>>
>> So what is your minimum cost of living?
>>
>> Considering today's events, you may need to answer that question
>> sooner than you think.
>>
>> TMT
>
> I noticed that no one has mentioned their daily costs for taxes.
>
> Property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes...they all add up.
>
> Doesn't anyone pay taxes?

Few have a clue idea about how much taxes they do pay per day.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 10:18 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 10:37 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:35 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Dave L <davelieuREMOVEME@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Nope, not at all. I don't put an enormous amount of miles a year
>>>>> on my car, but it's nowhere under 5k! From experience, there
>>>>> comes a time when unpredictable maintenance costs start adding up.

>>>> Depends entirely on how carefully you choose the car that doesnt get that result.

>>> I have all of the regular maintenance done. Sometimes strange
>>> things start going bad, such as a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) and the
>>> speedometer stops working. A clutch slave cylinder going bad. A
>>> master cylinder "washer" going bad, and they thought it was the
>>> master cylinder! Dealer ordered the part and was in there to
>>> replace it, and discovered it was only a worn washer. BTW - this
>>> was on an '89 Honda Prelude, and started happening around '04-'05. So still - wear and tear along with age, and will
>>> happen to any
>>> car. Just depends how long it takes.

>> The point tho is that with a well designed car chosen for its long life, you
>> can find that you only have a couple of very trivial repairs to do in 30+ years.

>> In my case it was just one alternator regulator.

>>>>>>> Don't want to be stuck hundreds of miles away from
>>>>>>> home, on a holiday weekend or in the middle of the night :-)

>>>>>> And its just convenient not to have to fart around repairing stuff too.

>>>>> Exactly. The inconvenience of having to get the part to fix it
>>>>> yourself or have someone else fix it. Happens at the most
>>>>> inopportune time as well.

>>>>>>> Especially for those who need to do the driving for their job
>>>>>>> (fortunately I don't with the exception of driving to work!).

>>>>>>> Of course, if bought new you'll know the maintenance you did to
>>>>>>> the car without wondering how the previous owner took care of
>>>>>>> it. Then again, 3,500-4,000 miles are low.

>>>>>> Doesnt necessarily have that much effect on maintenance tho.

>>>>> Nope. Mainly peace of mind.

>>>> It isnt peace of mind either once you realise that maintenance isnt that important with
>>>> modern cars as long as you do the basics like change the timing> belt when required etc.

>>> Exactly. Modern cars. When you have an old used car, it cannot be
>>> considered "modern" anymore can it?

>> Yes it can when the design was something that hasnt been improved on
>> with the latest cars.

> Doesn't make it modern.

Yes it does. Nothing much has changed in the design of cars over that time
with the cars that were the bleeding edge of design at the time they were built.

The only real chance since then has been the anti pollution
stuff and that doesnt have a big effect on the useful life of a car.

Particularly with european cars, they were well ahead of the crap at that time design wise.

>>> I consider myself more vigilant of maintenance than the "average" person I've seen.

>> Yes, and you have basically wasted your money doing that.

> Take care of my car and it'll take care of me.

Mindless sloganeering aint rational engineering.

> I don't do 3k oil changes but also won't do the 10k my manual says for "normal" driving.

More fool you if you use modern synthetic oils.

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TOPIC: Warning on "Emailias" email service
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37d3b3f93f04c036?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24 2008 11:38 am
From: emailias_response@emailias.com

On Jan 19, 6:56 am, not a joke <consumer_warn...@who.net> wrote:
> Prospective customers of this service are advised that the owner will
> steal if he thinks he can get away with it.

You posted this warning to several internet newsgroups, accusing
Emailias of stealing from its customers. Ouch! We're not sure what
this is about. We believe we offer a useful service at a fair price,
and we always respond to customer concerns.

We respect the protection of one's identity on the internet. It's at
the core of what we're about. But if you're not willing to come
forward with your issue, we can't do anything to make things right. If
you have a problem, tell us what it is and we'll get to the bottom of
it.

Ian Dukes
Project Manager
Emailias

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