Monday, November 22, 2010

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* Do Christians discriminate against high IQ people? - 5 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6073b2c475d20f41?hl=en
* "For city bicycling to catch on we need a revolution in our society's
infrastructure" and many other quotes - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9d3297e7868162fe?hl=en
* One good reason to attack Adam & Eve - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6e440099ce70435b?hl=en
* Is Ed the new moderator? - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ae7bf544c6c27bc3?hl=en
* The gov. "strip search"? opt out - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Do Christians discriminate against high IQ people?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:47 am
From: Opus


On Nov 21, 12:28 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>snip<
> Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.
>
> >www.evilbible.com

You mean Albert? He was a non-practising Jew. No explanation needed.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 6:52 am
From: Jeff Thies


On 11/22/2010 9:47 AM, Opus wrote:
> On Nov 21, 12:28 pm, "Rod Speed"<rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> snip<
>> Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.
>>
>>> www.evilbible.com
>
> You mean Albert? He was a non-practising Jew. No explanation needed.

He had a lot to say about God though. Not the Christian view though.

Jeff


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:37 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 9:47 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 12:28 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >snip<
> > Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.
>
> > >www.evilbible.com
>
> You mean Albert? He was a non-practising Jew. No explanation needed.

Why, what do the Jews practice other than Law?


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 12:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Jeff Thies wrote
> Opus wrote
>> Rod Speed<rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rebel1 wrote

>>>> If you had an IQ greater than your waist size, you wouldn't be a Christian or believe in any of the other religious
>>>> cults.

>>> Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.

>> You mean Albert? He was a non-practising Jew. No explanation needed.

> He had a lot to say about God though.

Yep, and clearly believed them too.

> Not the Christian view though.

The stupid comment wasnt restricted to Xtians.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 12:31 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Opus wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rebel1 wrote:
>> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:

>>>> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
>>>> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
>>>> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
>>>> are very skeptical of the whole thing)

>>>> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off
>>>> hand? I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another
>>>> scientist, but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether
>>>> it's EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
>>>> scientists.

>>>> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
>>>> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
>>>> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
>>>> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
>>>> retribution.

>>>> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
>>>> wild world so threatened by Christians)

>>> If you had an IQ greater than your waist size, you wouldn't
>>> be a Christian or believe in any of the other religious cults.

>> Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.

> You mean Albert?

Yep.

> He was a non-practising Jew.

Still believed in that religious cult, stupid.

> No explanation needed.

Wrong, as always.

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TOPIC: "For city bicycling to catch on we need a revolution in our society's
infrastructure" and many other quotes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9d3297e7868162fe?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 8:38 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


Thank you, Thea, for sharing that story.

On Nov 22, 9:49 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the following was from ScienceDaily:
>
> Risk Factors That Lead to Bicycling Injuries in City Traffic
>
> ScienceDaily (Nov. 16, 2010) — The streets of New York City can be dangerous
> for bicyclists, but they can be especially risky for young adult male
> bicyclists who don't wear helmets, have too much to drink, or are listening
> to music through earphones, a group of investigators from New York City's
> Bellevue Hospital reported at the 2010 Annual Clinical Congress of the
> American College of Surgeons.
> In a preliminary analysis of 143 bicyclists injured in traffic crashes, the
> researchers aimed to identify contributing risk factors. "The most
> interesting things are the number of cyclists who have alcohol in their
> system,

I bet a lot of winos use bikes to get around. Well, at least they
don't kill other people as they would as drivers.

> and the number of cyclists who wear helmets is unbelievably low,"

Unless I use a road (fast) bike, I often don't wear helmets because
the hat will protect my skin and make it much cooler in the hotter
months. Hey, at night I do!

That's a calculated risk.

> according to principal investigator Spiros Frangos, MD, MPH, FACS.
> This study, commissioned by the State of New York, is unique in that it
> looks at injuries bicyclists sustain in motor vehicle crashes, Dr. Frangos
> said. "A lot of what's been done in this realm by city and state agencies
> has more to do with bicyclists' mortality in motor vehicle crashes," he
> said. "If you look just at mortalities, you're looking at less than one
> percent of these incidents." Added coinvestigator Patricia Ayoung-Chee, MD,

I bet some are crippled, which is worse than dying --at least for me.

> "We're looking at morbidity, hospitalization, and the need for
> rehabilitation, which is all information that we can then use to determine
> how this affects the health care system overall."

I guess they are talking about the bottom line: money. And what's a
breadwinner to do when injured?

> The investigators reported on preliminary results from the first year of a
> three-year study. The completed study will also include data on pedestrians
> struck by vehicles, Dr. Frangos said. The first phase of data analysis
> identified these risk factors among injured cyclists: 87 percent were men
> and 96 percent were over age 18; 13 percent were intoxicated; five percent
> were listening to music.

Hey, you must block all that honking behind you.

> Despite helmet laws, only 24 percent of the injured bicyclists were wearing
> helmets. New York State law requires all cyclists 13 and younger to wear
> helmets, and New York City mandates helmets on all working cyclists -- the
> latter typified by the bicycle delivery persons weaving through Midtown
> traffic. Forty-one percent of the study subjects sustained injuries on the
> job, but only about one-third of those working cyclists (32 percent) were
> wearing helmets.

They don't in Mecca (Holland).

> "I don't think the New York City laws are being enforced," Dr. Frangos said.
> The study also looked at the nature of bicycle-motor vehicle accidents.
> Eighteen percent of the injured cyclists were using a bike lane and 17
> percent collided with a vehicle door. Seventeen percent of the incidents
> were hit-and-run. Taxi cabs accounted for 35 percent of bicyclists'
> injuries.

Hit-and-run are all too common. I'd apply Modified Sharia Law to them
until it's eradicated.

Maybe we can put a tattoo on his forehead with an "R" (rat).

> The investigators have been sharing their data with the state and city
> departments of transportation and health as well as the New York Police
> Department. They are also seeking a state grant that would have
> practitioners speak to community groups to reinforce bicycle safety measures
> and prevent further traumatic injuries to bicyclists.

We have many reports already but it doesn't hurt to have one more to
prove the obvious.

>
> Now tell me that you would rather ride the rails than be on a bicycle.

I confess to being intimidated by it all. I'd rather be a couch-
potato. Better yet, I'd rather do my stationary bike.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 12:46 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"

On Nov 22, 3:03 pm, zencycle <zency...@bikerider.com> wrote:
> It isn't as much as revolution in the infrastructure that's necessary
> to accommodate bike travel, but a revolution in the american culture.
> Certainly, bike lanes and secure parking facilities would be helpful,
> but what it really comes down to is mutual respect on both the part of
> the cyclist and the motorist.
>
> As someone who has been an amatuer racer and commuter since the mid
> 80's, I can make a few comments on infrastructure improvements as they
> relate to 'cycling friendly' culture.

I have slowly but surely moved away from infrastructure to equality. I
mean the bicycle TAKE THE LANE or nothing at all. No sidewalk or edge
of the road. You can not possibly share the lane with a 5 ton vehicle.
You share the road, but not the lane. You are too fragile to squeeze
into the lane with another vehicle which feels entitled to the whole
lane and harasses you and pushes you out.

You share the lane when there's a one lane road. One point we got to
make is:

ONE MORE BIKE = ONE FEWER CAR

>
> 1) bike lanes are dangerous - Motorists generally show little regard
> for a strip reserved for cyclists. People pull out of parking spaces
> and open doors without looking, delivery vehicles park right on them,
> and the more clueless riders travel the wrong direction.
>
> 2) bike paths are dangerous - bike paths get clogged with: runners,
> mothers with strollers, and the worst of all - rollerbladers. It's
> literally impossible to ride on an urban bike path at anything faster
> than a walking speed when the weather is nice.
>
> I worked in boston for a few years, and commuted from bedford to
> downtown, directly alongside the minuteman bike path. It was safer,
> faster, and easier to ride on the street.
>
> But I'm an anomaly among commuters. Since I'm a competitive cyclist, I
> usually keep up with traffic in urban areas and have no problem taking
> a lane to make a turn. I've been honked at a few times as I draft a
> truck at 30 mph, but I'm not getting in anyone's way or slowing anyone
> down. I'm one of the rare cyclist that you see stopping for traffic
> lights and stop signs, and I normally yield the right of way to cars -
> as if I were driving.

Yep, you are far above the average. Most practical cycling occurs at
no more than 10 mph.

>
> I've found that by giving respect to other vehicles on the road by not
> _expecting_ them to yield to me, I end up not getting harassed too
> often. Just like every other commuter, I take the same route at about
> the same time of day, and I'm seen every day by the same people. They
> give me room, and I do my best to make sure I don't make them have to
> slow down.
>
> This is what needs to change if we are to create a culture more
> amenable to cycling in the US, not demanding our own infrastructure,
> but showing a mutual respect for other users of the motorways. You
> have to get to work, just like I do.

Well, my good neighbor (he's really nice but stupid) doesn't consider
that bicycles should be on the road. The bad drivers just harass you
or pass you within inches.

>
> But that's me, and I know I'm not like everyone else. I've seen
> cyclists blast through a redlight on the alewife brook parkway at mass
> ave, forcing cars to lock up their brakes. I've seen a messenger hop a
> median strip into oncoming traffic. stupid, stupid, stupid.

Yes but Darwin's law takes care of them.

>
> Gary Fisher laments the lack of a euro-style cycling culture in the US
> - It isn't he infrastructure that's the issue, it's the attitude. If
> the motoring public is going to be more amenable to accommodations in
> infrastructure, they're going to have to accept bicycles as
> alternative transportation and not toys, and that isn't going to
> happen until they see the cycling commuting ride like adults instead
> of children.

We admit our inferior place in the food chain by placing ourselves
next to the gutter. Critical Mass is pretty stupid too in blocking
roads. TAKE THE LANE --just one lane, and let the cars worry about
you.

THIS IS MY PROPOSAL.: CARS MUST EXIT THE LANE 100' BEFORE AND AFTER A
BICYCLE. The distance is negotiable. ;)

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 1:27 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 4:17 pm, Tom <t...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > THIS IS MY PROPOSAL: CARS MUST EXIT THE LANE 100' BEFORE AND AFTER A
> > BICYCLE. The distance is negotiable. ;)
>
> yea its always fun to go around a bend going up hill at speed limit of
> 45 mph and run into a cyclist who is pumping his ass of and going 3mph
> taking half the lane and cars comming in the other direction. I guess
> the only solution is to punt.

Hey, hey, hold those horses. The cyclist is going on the right lane
and you are a good boy going 20-25 on the slow lane, particularly
before a blind curve.

Besides, who's going 3mph, a grandmother? She deserves you to stop and
bow, OK?


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 2:20 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 5:03 pm, Tom <t...@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Following trails may be good for leisure but not for going anywhere.
> > We need the same road, but perhaps we can educate the cyclists about
> > SPEED DIFFERENTIAL. Some kind of training and certificate could be in
> > order.
>
> With all due respects you are dreaming, if you lived in the hills of Pa.
> the last thing you want is a bike, steep hills narrow roads
> what good is a bike with 6 to 12 inches of snow on the road and no
> shoulders on the road

The bike is not a vehicle for all terrains or all seasons. I'm talking
whenever, wherever practical. My local supermarket is full of SUVs and
I can hardly make it on my bike. If I follow the main road, I'm dead
meat. If secondary roads, I must slow down at every corner. Flat
terrain, perfect weather and I'm in the cage.

The people who ride bikes do so on sidewalks, which makes me wonder
why they don't simply walk or stay home. I'm about to inquire into
home delivery. ;)

Walking is painfully slow and sometimes is too hot for it. My bicycles
have the rack and everything and are gathering rust by the sea.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 5:08 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 7:42 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
> On 11/22/10 7:19 PM, Tom wrote:
> <...>
>
> > Instead of a bike lane all bikes should be banned on roads.
>
> No, people who ride or drive stupidly should be banned.

Well, at least they would be as honest as the Taliban, not teasing
that bikes are welcomed on the road.

"The American Taliban want no bicycles, period."


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TOPIC: One good reason to attack Adam & Eve
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6e440099ce70435b?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 9:51 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


Hey, nothing particularly despicable about this couple. I've known far
worse people attending church and paying taxes. Actually I'd have
eaten the Forbidden Fruit myself!

Well, now I'll explain the real reason I keep pounding at A&E. They
"fathered" the three most belligerent religions to be found after the
fall of the Aztecs. Maybe Cain went around and passed his genes with
all the prostitutes he could find. Hey, I got nothing against
prostitutes, just that they must be the opposite of a "virgin" mother.
OK I take it back, let's say Satan himself gave his mother to Cain, so
they would procreate.

Wait a minute, Cain must have had an incestuous relationship, so that
explains everything.


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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:04 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:04cdff79-3dda-4e9b-a2a5-e85953d0e1dc@o2g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> Hey, nothing particularly despicable about this couple. I've known far
> worse people attending church and paying taxes. Actually I'd have
> eaten the Forbidden Fruit myself!
>
> Well, now I'll explain the real reason I keep pounding at A&E. They
> "fathered" the three most belligerent religions to be found after the
> fall of the Aztecs. Maybe Cain went around and passed his genes with
> all the prostitutes he could find. Hey, I got nothing against
> prostitutes, just that they must be the opposite of a "virgin" mother.
> OK I take it back, let's say Satan himself gave his mother to Cain, so
> they would procreate.
>
> Wait a minute, Cain must have had an incestuous relationship, so that
> explains everything.

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:08 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 2:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:04cdff79-3dda-4e9b-a2a5-e85953d0e1dc@o2g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Hey, nothing particularly despicable about this couple. I've known far
> > worse people attending church and paying taxes. Actually I'd have
> > eaten the Forbidden Fruit myself!
>
> > Well, now I'll explain the real reason I keep pounding at A&E. They
> > "fathered" the three most belligerent religions to be found after the
> > fall of the Aztecs. Maybe Cain went around and passed his genes with
> > all the prostitutes he could find. Hey, I got nothing against
> > prostitutes, just that they must be the opposite of a "virgin" mother.
> > OK I take it back, let's say Satan himself gave his mother to Cain, so
> > they would procreate.
>
> > Wait a minute, Cain must have had an incestuous relationship, so that
> > explains everything.
>
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
>
> He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
> zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
> with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
>
> TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
> like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
> village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
> longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
>
> But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
> It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
> if the rest of you can't.

Talking of the Devil!


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:20 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:16210a10-0807-4d49-8717-1f82a93d7ba9@w21g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Talking of the Devil!

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 12:03 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 2:20 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:16210a10-0807-4d49-8717-1f82a93d7ba9@w21g2000vby.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> > Talking of the Devil!
>
> You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

As you can see we are attacking Adam & Eve just because everything
went wrong from there. Some hunter-gatherers walked past Paradise and
said, "They got it all and that's stupid!"

Once we got this clear and religion concerns itself with bicycles
instead of gays or abortion, we can make real progress.

Believe it or not, their progress is no good...

"Progress is not always good. Gone are the days of the adventure, and
now sedentary life is killing us. Bring your bow and arrow!"

http://www.zazzle.com/happiness_is_tshirt-235908148648702578

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 10:32 am
From: JimmyMac


On Nov 10, 4:21 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman _ " <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in messagenews:ibe4pe$sl7$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > On 11/10/2010 12:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> >> On 11/09/10 20:50, Tom Sherman _ wrote:
>
> >>> On 11/9/2010 9:47 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>>> I am not amoderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.[...]
>
> >>> Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman already destroyed RBS.
>
> >> FWIW, the Big 8 Management Board is going through the process of
> >> removing rec.bicycles.off-road, the moderated group that never got off
> >> the ground. Don't let him kill another one. If you can't kill him,
> >> killfile him. It can be done, mostly. Give it a shot.
>
> > Well, "Handsaw" also killed AMB, Dolan killed ARBR, and RBM seems to be
> > dying off.  Maybe it is time to go back to the one group rec.bicycles?
>
> ARBR was killed by Ed Gin and Associates, Jim McNamara and Tom Sherman.

The burden of proof rests with the accuser. Where's your proof of
this often cited and repetitiously regurgitated, but never
substantiated assertion?

> Why Tom Sherman? He was a mainstay of ARBR and yet he stood by and let it
> happen. He does not killfile, but he will not defend the group against
> criminal vandal trolls. His cowardice and simpering rectitude is truly mind
> boggling!
>
> A group that will not defend itself from trolls, stalkers and spammers is
> not worth living. Frankly, such groups deserve to die!

You fit two if not three of the categories. How do you defend a group
from yourself? The conundrum continues.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:02 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:acc51216-f131-424e-ae5b-59e57180a165@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 10, 4:21 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> ARBR was killed by Ed Gin and Associates, Jim McNamara and Tom Sherman.

>> The burden of proof rests with the accuser. Where's your proof of
this often cited and repetitiously regurgitated, but never
substantiated assertion?

Anyone who is interested can go back to the archives and read the messages
for themselves.
[...]

> A group that will not defend itself from trolls, stalkers and spammers is
> not worth living. Frankly, such groups deserve to die!

>> You fit two if not three of the categories. How do you defend a group
from yourself? The conundrum continues.

Ed Gin and Associates were criminal spammers, Jim McNamara was and is a
stalker and Tom Sherman was always out to lunch when anything precarious was
taking place on ARBR. Only Ed Dolan the Great acted like a normal human
being who feels some loyalty to the group of which he was a member.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 22, 1:32 pm, JimmyMac <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 10, 4:21 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Tom Sherman _ " <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in messagenews:ibe4pe$sl7$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > On 11/10/2010 12:20 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> > >> On 11/09/10 20:50, Tom Sherman _ wrote:
>
> > >>> On 11/9/2010 9:47 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > >>> [...]
> > >>>> I am not amoderator, but I am not going to let you destroy RBS.[...]
>
> > >>> Mike "Handsaw" Vandeman already destroyed RBS.
>
> > >> FWIW, the Big 8 Management Board is going through the process of
> > >> removing rec.bicycles.off-road, the moderated group that never got off
> > >> the ground. Don't let him kill another one. If you can't kill him,
> > >> killfile him. It can be done, mostly. Give it a shot.
>
> > > Well, "Handsaw" also killed AMB, Dolan killed ARBR, and RBM seems to be
> > > dying off.  Maybe it is time to go back to the one group rec.bicycles?
>
> > ARBR was killed by Ed Gin and Associates, Jim McNamara and Tom Sherman.
>
> The burden of proof rests with the accuser.  Where's your proof of
> this often cited and repetitiously regurgitated, but never
> substantiated assertion?
>
> > Why Tom Sherman? He was a mainstay of ARBR and yet he stood by and let it
> > happen. He does not killfile, but he will not defend the group against
> > criminal vandal trolls. His cowardice and simpering rectitude is truly mind
> > boggling!
>
> > A group that will not defend itself from trolls, stalkers and spammers is
> > not worth living. Frankly, such groups deserve to die!
>
> You fit two if not three of the categories.  How do you defend a group
> from yourself?  The conundrum continues.

All I know is there are certain POWER STRUGGLES on this group as
elsewhere. Is that good or bad?

God allows the Devil to roam free so he can look good. Or the Devil is
too smart for God. Whatever the reasons be sure to be on the right
side...

'IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE MANY GODS AND AFTER A POWER STRUGGLE ONLY
ONE WAS LEFT'

(I must write these revelations as they come down to me. I don't
expect them to be added to the Bible, but hey, it's about time the Old
Book is updated)

Think about Cuba: Many comandantes in 1959, but only one or two were
left. That's the way it must have happened so God survived and became
the Supreme Leader.

The question is why Satan is still going around causing trouble when
God can catch him in no time. One theory is that God is really a
puppet figure, another is that the Devil never stays in one place and
avoids capture.

Power struggles are nothing new to us here on Earth, but celestial
battles and intrigues are always good reasons to worry when the winner
is still undecided.

If I were in Cuba, I'd be worried of supporting the aging Castros.
Think about it before you commit yourself to God.

--------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION


== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 11:18 am
From: "Edward Dolan"


"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:58959285-cce3-4bbe-9d6b-be09edd3d27f@w18g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
[...]
All I know is there are certain POWER STRUGGLES on this group as
elsewhere. Is that good or bad?

God allows the Devil to roam free so he can look good. Or the Devil is
too smart for God. Whatever the reasons be sure to be on the right
side...

'IN THE BEGINNING THERE WERE MANY GODS AND AFTER A POWER STRUGGLE ONLY
ONE WAS LEFT'

(I must write these revelations as they come down to me. I don't
expect them to be added to the Bible, but hey, it's about time the Old
Book is updated)

Think about Cuba: Many comandantes in 1959, but only one or two were
left. That's the way it must have happened so God survived and became
the Supreme Leader.

The question is why Satan is still going around causing trouble when
God can catch him in no time. One theory is that God is really a
puppet figure, another is that the Devil never stays in one place and
avoids capture.

Power struggles are nothing new to us here on Earth, but celestial
battles and intrigues are always good reasons to worry when the winner
is still undecided.

If I were in Cuba, I'd be worried of supporting the aging Castros.
Think about it before you commit yourself to God.

> You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> Fucking Regards,

> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Date: Mon, Nov 22 2010 4:27 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"


In article <georgeswk-456344.07070421112010@news.toast.net>,
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> "National Opt Out Day" urges air travelers to declare they will refuse
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>
> for more;
>
> the group's Web site -- optoutday.com.

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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 20 2010 10:55 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


(As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
are very skeptical of the whole thing)

Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off hand?
I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another scientist,
but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether it's
EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
scientists.

Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
retribution.

(And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
wild world so threatened by Christians)


-------------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION


== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 7:09 am
From: Jeff Thies


On 11/21/2010 1:55 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
of the Jungle wrote:
> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
> are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>
> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off hand?
> I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another scientist,
> but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether it's
> EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
> scientists.


There seems to be a willing suspension of logic and they just believe on
blind faith. I have a technical friend who is otherwise very smart and
he said to me that God knew I was going to say that, but I still have
free will.

Who is this this God that know everything ahead of time? To me that
sounds completely crazy. And even giving that there is some all knowing
being that knows everything we do before hand, how can there be free will.

I find it all completely absurd. No doubt why so many Evangelical
Christians are also Republicans. And why so many of them think Sarah
Palin would be a great President. Ignoring the obvious, of course.

I've heard it said that Democrats want to know and Republicans want
to be told. I see no flaw in that.

Jeff


>
> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
> retribution.
>
> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
> wild world so threatened by Christians)
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 7:47 am
From: Rebel1


His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
> are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>
> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off hand?
> I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another scientist,
> but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether it's
> EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
> scientists.
>
> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
> retribution.
>
> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
> wild world so threatened by Christians)
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

If you had an IQ greater than your waist size, you wouldn't be a
Christian or believe in any of the other religious cults.

www.evilbible.com


== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 8:59 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 21, 9:00 am, Martin Edwards <big_mart...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/11/2010 06:54, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
>
>
>
> of the Jungle wrote:
> > (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
> > me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
> > not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
> > are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>
> > Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off hand?
> > I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another scientist,
> > but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether it's
> > EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
> > scientists.
>
> > Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
> > willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
> > come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
> > showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
> > retribution.
>
> > (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
> > wild world so threatened by Christians)
>
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> This is probably truer in the States than in Europe. Here many, maybe
> even most accept evolution and regard Genesis as purely symbolic.

In Europe they got tired of killing each other over religion and
politics and settled down into a nice comfortable living, including a
good transportation system to visit each other. The minute you mention
here "trains," you'll be attacked for supporting "socialism." That
concept is very hard to dislodge from the Christian/Conservative mind.
And as a cyclist you don't stand a chance on the roads, where you'll
be competing for the Darwin Awards.

The high IQ monkey better stays in the cage.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 10:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Rebel1 wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
>> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
>> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
>> are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>>
>> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off
>> hand? I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another
>> scientist, but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether
>> it's EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
>> scientists.
>>
>> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
>> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
>> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
>> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
>> retribution.
>>
>> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
>> wild world so threatened by Christians)
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> If you had an IQ greater than your waist size, you wouldn't be a Christian or believe in any of the other religious
> cults.

Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.

> www.evilbible.com


== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 10:36 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Jeff Thies wrote:
> On 11/21/2010 1:55 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free
> Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
>> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
>> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
>> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
>> are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>>
>> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off
>> hand? I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another
>> scientist, but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether
>> it's EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
>> scientists.

> There seems to be a willing suspension of logic and they just believe on blind faith.

Some manage a weird dichotomy of blind faith in some areas, and logic in others,
most obviously with scientists who do operate as if evolution is how it happened
in their professional lives and still are stupid enough to believe that some god or
other decides on all the detail like whether they have grovelled hard enough so
that one of their kids will be cured of some serious medical problem etc.

I guess its not very surprising that some try the grovelling because if there isnt
actually any god thats taking any notice, you've only wasted some of your time etc.

> I have a technical friend who is otherwise very smart and he said to me that God knew I was going to say that, but I
> still have free will.

He's clearly not smart enough to have noticed that all gods are just a mind fuck
designed to keep people doing what someone has decided is the way to operate.

> Who is this this God that know everything ahead of time? To me that sounds completely crazy. And even giving that
> there is some all knowing being that knows everything we do before hand, how can there be free will.

Yep, he aint actually that smart.

> I find it all completely absurd.

I can see why some want or need a nice tidy set of rules.

> No doubt why so many Evangelical Christians are also Republicans.

Its not very surprising that the more conservative go for the more conservative religions.

> And why so many of them think Sarah Palin would be a great President.

Yeah, they actually are that stupid.

> Ignoring the obvious, of course.

> I've heard it said that Democrats want to know and Republicans want to be told. I see no flaw in that.

I do. Its never anything like that black and white.

>> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
>> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
>> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
>> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect retribution.

>> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
>> wild world so threatened by Christians)


== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 11:32 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 21, 1:28 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rebel1 wrote:
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle wrote:
> >> (As I was taking a shower, a spirit of the jungle came to me and told
> >> me this is the topic of the day. I said, "Fine, let's go for it!" I'm
> >> not exactly sure what stand they take on religion, but usually they
> >> are very skeptical of the whole thing)
>
> >> Have you noticed how the Christians dismiss scientists right off
> >> hand? I mean, it usually takes one scientist to refute another
> >> scientist, but the Christians are the exception to the rule. Whether
> >> it's EVOLUTION or CLIMATE CHANGE, the Christians are quick to dismiss
> >> scientists.
>
> >> Of course, when they are sick, they turn to science and are more
> >> willing to take medications that have been tested on animals... How
> >> come? Hey, leave all those monkeys, pigs and rats alone --all of them
> >> showing high IQ-- and do the tests on Christians. This is the perfect
> >> retribution.
>
> >> (And with this the spirit of the jungle flew away right back to the
> >> wild world so threatened by Christians)
>
> >> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >>http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > If you had an IQ greater than your waist size, you wouldn't be a Christian or believe in any of the other religious
> > cults.
>
> Have fun explaining individuals like Einstein.

Hey, he knew the bicycle was a good way to keep your brain and waist
in shape...

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
moving"

This fact escapes the Christians.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 7:07 am
From: *VFW*

"National Opt Out Day" urges air travelers to declare they will refuse
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for more;

the group's Web site -- optoutday.com.
--
Karma, What a concept!

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Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 10:15 am
From: "Bill"


Beware of bank computers where they give you new accounts and change
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 1:15 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


"For city bicycling to catch on we need a revolution in our society's
infrastructure. Right now a city rider needs to be a road warrior, and
the bike needs to be cheap and ugly so it won't get stolen. That's not
a bike friendly culture."

- Gary Fisher, founder and CEO of Fisher Bicycles Riding

That's a BIG TRUTH which denies civilization, placing us right next to
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INSTINCTS among us. We are looking for INJUSTICE in far away places,
and we have it right around the corner. We don't discriminate women.
They too can ride bicycle on sidewalks.

This is a clever observation: "Bicycles are the indicator species of a
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 21 2010 7:43 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits of the Jungle"


On Nov 21, 7:44 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 1:17 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Free Spirits
> of the Jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "For city bicycling to catch on we need a revolution in our society's
> > infrastructure. ...
>
> In order to have a revolution in the infrastructure, you're going to
> need a revolution in superstructure & to do that you need a
> revolutionary change in the economic base.

And that requires a revolutionary change in thinking... something the
Christians --presumably the majority of voters-- may not be ready for.

Plan B: Do it somewhere else. ;)


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