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* Choosing a dental insurance plan? - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* saving time spent on shaving - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* converter box suck - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Worth puting a SSD in a netbook? - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* ObamaCare? q. - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: Choosing a dental insurance plan?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/eafdafdc3df07a1f?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 1 2011 8:28 pm
From: info_at_gardenalley_dot_com@foo.com (DA)
responding to
http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
DA wrote:
Steve wrote:
> I need to get my Wisdom tooth extracted which would cost about 300$
> without insurance in Florida(where I reside). I have basic dental
> insurance, but that would cover only 30 out of the 300.
> I am a male in late twenties, non-tobacco user
> I am thinking of getting Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana
> http://www.humanaonedental.com/florida-dental-insurance/dental-plan-C550.aspx
> which is about11$/month and a one time fee of 35$. They have no
> deductibles or waiting period, but require a lock in period of 1 year.
> But, the total expense still would be around 160$ for the year which is
> lot less than 270$(which I have to pay with my current insurance) and I
> get cleanings free(twice a year) with this plan.
> Some details about them are at
> http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/dt/plan-details?planKey=32113600:1
> 1. Is the Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana a proper choice
> or are there better options?
> 2. Would there be any caveats with this that I need to be aware of?
> 3. Any other factors I need to be aware of?
Choosing dental insurance is a tricky business indeed. I actually don't
have one for the last few months myself and already out more than $1K (for
a family of 4) between moving to another practice, having a couple of
fillings done etc. I've not had anything needed for years (other than
wisdom teeth removal, which I'll talk about later) and thought that I can
pay for cleaning twice a year myself. So far the experiment is not working
out too good.
But getting back to wisdom teeth: have you visited the oral surgeon that
will be removing the teeth (tooth) yet? These guys actually break the
charges down to three different categories - ones paid by dental
insurance, ones paid by general health insurance and ones that you have to
pay out of pocket no matter the insurance.
This is some months in the past for me, so pardon if I get a few details
wrong but if the tooth has already erupted (hope I got the dental speak
right on this) i.e. already visible above your gum, its removal goes on
dental. But if it has not, it goes on general insurance. Also, if it's
impacted (rotten) then its removal goes on both (what was the share - I
can't remember).
They can (or have to - don't know) put anesthesia on general insurance if
I'm not mistaken. But if you want to, like my surgeon said, "take some
edge off" with laughing gas, then you'll have to pay for it yourself
despite the insurance. I have, by the way, and did not regret the $95
spent on it. Needed two teeth removed at the same time and there
definitely was some "edge" to be "taken off".
If you were removing all four at the same time and were put asleep for the
surgery, it is a whole different ball game as far as I know.
So, yeah, definitely visit the surgeon and you'll sit down with some
all-knowing assistant in his office that'll take you though the extent of
the financial damage they're planning to do. But it's definitely *not*
just your dental insurance that's at play here.
Good luck!
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* ||----|| CHIKIN!
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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 6:37 am
From: Steve
On 2/1/2011 11:28 PM, DA wrote:
> responding to
> http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
> DA wrote:
> Steve wrote:
>
>> I need to get my Wisdom tooth extracted which would cost about 300$
>> without insurance in Florida(where I reside). I have basic dental
>> insurance, but that would cover only 30 out of the 300.
>> I am a male in late twenties, non-tobacco user
>> I am thinking of getting Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana
>> http://www.humanaonedental.com/florida-dental-insurance/dental-plan-C550.aspx
>> which is about11$/month and a one time fee of 35$. They have no
>> deductibles or waiting period, but require a lock in period of 1 year.
>> But, the total expense still would be around 160$ for the year which is
>> lot less than 270$(which I have to pay with my current insurance) and I
>> get cleanings free(twice a year) with this plan.
>
>> Some details about them are at
>> http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/dt/plan-details?planKey=32113600:1
>
>> 1. Is the Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana a proper choice
>> or are there better options?
>> 2. Would there be any caveats with this that I need to be aware of?
>> 3. Any other factors I need to be aware of?
>
> Choosing dental insurance is a tricky business indeed. I actually don't
> have one for the last few months myself and already out more than $1K (for
> a family of 4) between moving to another practice, having a couple of
> fillings done etc. I've not had anything needed for years (other than
> wisdom teeth removal, which I'll talk about later) and thought that I can
> pay for cleaning twice a year myself. So far the experiment is not working
> out too good.
>
> But getting back to wisdom teeth: have you visited the oral surgeon that
> will be removing the teeth (tooth) yet? These guys actually break the
> charges down to three different categories - ones paid by dental
> insurance, ones paid by general health insurance and ones that you have to
> pay out of pocket no matter the insurance.
I visited a dentist first to see what was the cause of the pain, they
showed me that only one wisdom tooth is pointed sideways and has erupted
from the gums. Since it is slanting, it cannot grow fully.
> This is some months in the past for me, so pardon if I get a few details
> wrong but if the tooth has already erupted (hope I got the dental speak
> right on this) i.e. already visible above your gum, its removal goes on
> dental. But if it has not, it goes on general insurance. Also, if it's
> impacted (rotten) then its removal goes on both (what was the share - I
> can't remember).
>
> They can (or have to - don't know) put anesthesia on general insurance if
> I'm not mistaken. But if you want to, like my surgeon said, "take some
> edge off" with laughing gas, then you'll have to pay for it yourself
> despite the insurance. I have, by the way, and did not regret the $95
> spent on it. Needed two teeth removed at the same time and there
> definitely was some "edge" to be "taken off".
Who makes the decision what goes on general insurance and what on
dental? I have Capital Health Plan for general and the rep I spoke to
told all would be dental.
> If you were removing all four at the same time and were put asleep for the
> surgery, it is a whole different ball game as far as I know.
>
> So, yeah, definitely visit the surgeon and you'll sit down with some
> all-knowing assistant in his office that'll take you though the extent of
> the financial damage they're planning to do. But it's definitely *not*
> just your dental insurance that's at play here.
I was out of 92$ visiting the dentist for a consulation. My very limited
dental
insurance would reimburse just 22. Surgeon would take X-rays, do a
consultation which
would run in 200+, then cost of removal + anesthesia.
> Good luck!
>
Thanks for your suggestions, wishes and time.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 10:21 am
From: The Real Bev
On 02/02/11 06:37, Steve wrote:
> On 2/1/2011 11:28 PM, DA wrote:
>> responding to
>> http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
>> DA wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>
>>> I need to get my Wisdom tooth extracted which would cost about 300$
>>> without insurance in Florida(where I reside). I have basic dental
>>> insurance, but that would cover only 30 out of the 300.
>>> I am a male in late twenties, non-tobacco user
>>> I am thinking of getting Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana
>>> http://www.humanaonedental.com/florida-dental-insurance/dental-plan-C550.aspx
>>> which is about11$/month and a one time fee of 35$. They have no
>>> deductibles or waiting period, but require a lock in period of 1 year.
>>> But, the total expense still would be around 160$ for the year which is
>>> lot less than 270$(which I have to pay with my current insurance) and I
>>> get cleanings free(twice a year) with this plan.
>>
>>> Some details about them are at
>>> http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/dt/plan-details?planKey=32113600:1
>>
>>> 1. Is the Prepaid Dental Plan C550 in Florida by Humana a proper choice
>>> or are there better options?
>>> 2. Would there be any caveats with this that I need to be aware of?
>>> 3. Any other factors I need to be aware of?
>>
>> Choosing dental insurance is a tricky business indeed. I actually don't
>> have one for the last few months myself and already out more than $1K (for
>> a family of 4) between moving to another practice, having a couple of
>> fillings done etc. I've not had anything needed for years (other than
>> wisdom teeth removal, which I'll talk about later) and thought that I can
>> pay for cleaning twice a year myself. So far the experiment is not working
>> out too good.
>>
>> But getting back to wisdom teeth: have you visited the oral surgeon that
>> will be removing the teeth (tooth) yet? These guys actually break the
>> charges down to three different categories - ones paid by dental
>> insurance, ones paid by general health insurance and ones that you have to
>> pay out of pocket no matter the insurance.
> I visited a dentist first to see what was the cause of the pain, they
> showed me that only one wisdom tooth is pointed sideways and has erupted
> from the gums. Since it is slanting, it cannot grow fully.
>
>> This is some months in the past for me, so pardon if I get a few details
>> wrong but if the tooth has already erupted (hope I got the dental speak
>> right on this) i.e. already visible above your gum, its removal goes on
>> dental. But if it has not, it goes on general insurance. Also, if it's
>> impacted (rotten) then its removal goes on both (what was the share - I
>> can't remember).
>>
>> They can (or have to - don't know) put anesthesia on general insurance if
>> I'm not mistaken. But if you want to, like my surgeon said, "take some
>> edge off" with laughing gas, then you'll have to pay for it yourself
>> despite the insurance. I have, by the way, and did not regret the $95
>> spent on it. Needed two teeth removed at the same time and there
>> definitely was some "edge" to be "taken off".
> Who makes the decision what goes on general insurance and what on
> dental? I have Capital Health Plan for general and the rep I spoke to
> told all would be dental.
>
>> If you were removing all four at the same time and were put asleep for the
>> surgery, it is a whole different ball game as far as I know.
>>
>> So, yeah, definitely visit the surgeon and you'll sit down with some
>> all-knowing assistant in his office that'll take you though the extent of
>> the financial damage they're planning to do. But it's definitely *not*
>> just your dental insurance that's at play here.
>
>
> I was out of 92$ visiting the dentist for a consulation. My very limited
> dental
> insurance would reimburse just 22. Surgeon would take X-rays, do a
> consultation which
> would run in 200+, then cost of removal + anesthesia.
>
>> Good luck!
>>
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, wishes and time.
Are you anywhere near Yuma? Go across the border into Algodones and
you'll find an entire town full of dentists eager to supply you with
bargain dental work at between 10% and 25% of what you'd pay in the US.
I speak for four happy customers who had a LOT of dental work done there.
--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
666øF -- the oven temperature for roast beast.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:51 pm
From: info_at_gardenalley_dot_com@foo.com (DA)
responding to
http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/Choosing-a-dental-insurance-plan-61907-.htm
DA wrote:
Steve wrote:
> I was out of 92$ visiting the dentist for a consulation. My very
> limited dental insurance would reimburse just 22. Surgeon would take X-rays,
do a
> consultation which would run in 200+, then cost of removal + anesthesia.
I think that this surgeon consultation, even though it'll set you back
another $200+, is a crucial step in finding out the actual costs when all
is said and done. If it's a well-known practice in town, you are most
certainly not the first person that goes through them that has Capital
Health insurance (which I'm not familiar with) and so they are guaranteed
to know what goes on which insurance. And if they don't they'll call on
your behalf, and part of your $200 pays for this detective work.
I did do the surgeon consultation and at least some parts of it went onto
my dental insurance because I don't remember paying so much out of pocket
for it. But by the end of the consultation (first part with the surgeon,
second, longer part - with an assistant to figure out payments) I knew
exactly what my out-of-pocket for the surgery would be.
Also, if it already hurts, you really need to see the surgeon ASAP - they
only have so many procedures per day and you may end up not having a time
slot for a months (or two as was in my case).
Not to make this thread too political, but if someone thinks our health
care system does not need to be reformed, they really need to have their
wisdom teeth removed. I guarantee you, more than half of what you're
paying (out of pocket or through insurance premiums) goes into this
bottomless pit just for figuring out who can weasel themselves out of
actually paying for the procedure.
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/-------/ EAT
/ | || MOR
* ||----|| CHIKIN!
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TOPIC: saving time spent on shaving
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/34bea6c670aeadce?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 12:33 am
From: Jim...8
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:01:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ohioguy wrote:
>
>> About 10 years ago I decided it was silly to shave every day. I found an electric razor that shaves about twice as
>> quickly as the rest of them. Then I sat down and analyzed the issue, figuring that I wanted to shave only twice a
>> week, rather than 5x.
>
>Makes no sense to shave twice a week.
>
>> I finally decided that shaving on Wednesday mornings and Sunday mornings would make the most sense.
>
>It doesnt.
>
>> This way it looks good for church,
>
>Fuck church, only fools ever go there.
It's not a common Aussie pastime anyway.
>
>> and only starts looking slightly scruffy late Tuesday, and then on Saturday when I don't care.
>
>I dont care every day. When it gets long enough to be irritating
>after a shower, I just mow it back to a stubble again.
>
I do mine before a shower, feels right fresh afterward.
http://jimpicturetrail.blogspot.com/
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:07 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Jim...8 wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ohioguy wrote
>>> About 10 years ago I decided it was silly to shave every day. I
>>> found an electric razor that shaves about twice as quickly as the
>>> rest of them. Then I sat down and analyzed the issue, figuring
>>> that I wanted to shave only twice a week, rather than 5x.
>> Makes no sense to shave twice a week.
>>> I finally decided that shaving on Wednesday mornings
>>> and Sunday mornings would make the most sense.
>> It doesnt.
>>> This way it looks good for church,
>> Fuck church, only fools ever go there.
> It's not a common Aussie pastime anyway.
And those that do are mostly women.
>>> and only starts looking slightly scruffy late Tuesday,
>>> and then on Saturday when I don't care.
>> I dont care every day. When it gets long enough to be irritating
>> after a shower, I just mow it back to a stubble again.
> I do mine before a shower, feels right fresh afterward.
Yeah, me too.
You getting blown away ?
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TOPIC: converter box suck
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c15f24ce7244b668?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 4:51 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <k8fek6dm3g13blke377um3voa86tbll82h@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:
> Sofa Slug <sofaslug@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Try this. It's cheap & works better than most indoor antenna setups:
> ><http://mysite.ncnetwork.net/resr92x4/Content/DTV_antenna.html>
> >
> >If you want an amplifier, you might try one of these:
> ><http://www.allelectronics.com/make-a-store/item/AMP-300/TV/FM-ANTENNA-AMPLIF
> >IER/1.html>
>
> Don't waste your time and money on the above
>
> Get this instead
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=10901
> 02&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2
I wouldn't trust monoprice to buy dog shit from. I did one and only one
transaction with them and I lived to regret it. I bought some cables and
an external battery for my iPhone. The battery failed after a week.
Contacting monoprice for a refund got me nowhere, and on top of that,
their web site got hacked and my credit card info was stolen and some
thief rang up hundreds of dollars in fraudulent charges.
Do a google search for "monoprice hacked" and you'll find lots of hits.
Let the buyer beware.
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TOPIC: Worth puting a SSD in a netbook?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2b6881c7bfce73be?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 10:48 am
From: me@privacy.net
I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
in it and 2 gigs ram
Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
in it?
Performance is kind of slow as it is now
Anyone?
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:10 am
From: "Rod Speed"
me@privacy.net wrote:
> I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip in it and 2 gigs ram
> Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive in it?
> Performance is kind of slow as it is now
Thats the Atom, a pretty puny cpu, that wont change.
> Anyone?
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 1:46 pm
From: Gordon
me@privacy.net wrote in news:3n9jk6hrb0caic9lh40uc9c9ed7ovdsnlg@4ax.com:
> I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
> in it and 2 gigs ram
>
> Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
> in it?
>
> Performance is kind of slow as it is now
>
> Anyone?
It probably runs Windows 7, no?
Bad choice of an opperating system for an Atom CPU.
If it was me; I would instal Linux. Two approaches
come to mind. First: Ubutu. You get the choice of
three different windows managers (Gnome, KDE, and another)
pick the other. Gnome and KDE use too much CPU cycles.
There is also a Unbutu made for netbooks. Look for
Unbutu Net Remix.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 2:24 pm
From: Michael Black
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011, me@privacy.net wrote:
> I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
> in it and 2 gigs ram
>
All the initial netbooks had no hard drives. The second generation
from each company moved to hard drives.
That seems pretty telling.
Michael
> Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
> in it?
>
> Performance is kind of slow as it is now
>
> Anyone?
>
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 5:05 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <3n9jk6hrb0caic9lh40uc9c9ed7ovdsnlg@4ax.com>,
<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
>in it and 2 gigs ram
>Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
>in it?
>Performance is kind of slow as it is now
>Anyone?
Performance varies from brand to brand, as does price. What type and
size drive is currently in your netbook?
Here are a few links to ssd reviews, so you can get an idea of what is
available and what specs to look at:
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/07/14/review_storage_ssd_kingston_ssdnow_v_plus_512gb/
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/06/17/review_storage_western_digital_siliconedge_blue_ssd/
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/04/07/review_storage_crucial_ssd_c300/
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/06/24/crucial_realssd_c300_64gb/
Gary
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 5:34 pm
From: me@privacy.net
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>It probably runs Windows 7, no?
>Bad choice of an opperating system for an Atom CPU.
>If it was me; I would instal Linux. Two approaches
>come to mind. First: Ubutu. You get the choice of
>three different windows managers (Gnome, KDE, and another)
>pick the other. Gnome and KDE use too much CPU cycles.
>There is also a Unbutu made for netbooks. Look for
>Unbutu Net Remix.
Thanks GREAT idea!!
I ill install ubuntu and use the money saved for
ANOTHER full fledged 14" laptop I think
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 5:34 pm
From: me@privacy.net
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:
>What type and
>size drive is currently in your netbook?
160 gig 5400rpm
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 6:23 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 02/02/11 13:46, Gordon wrote:
> me@privacy.net wrote in news:3n9jk6hrb0caic9lh40uc9c9ed7ovdsnlg@4ax.com:
>
>> I've got a $300 Samsung netbook single core Atom chip
>> in it and 2 gigs ram
>>
>> Wondering if it is cost effective putting an SSD drive
>> in it?
>>
>> Performance is kind of slow as it is now
>>
>> Anyone?
>
> It probably runs Windows 7, no?
> Bad choice of an opperating system for an Atom CPU.
> If it was me; I would instal Linux. Two approaches
> come to mind. First: Ubutu. You get the choice of
> three different windows managers (Gnome, KDE, and another)
The advantage of KDE is that the GUI is already configured with all the
KDE applications. Point and shoot. So is Gnome, probably, but I haven't
used that. I use fvwm95 as a window manager, but I had to configure the
menu myself -- it comes with a generic menu which probably won't match
what you actually have. Not difficult, and not that hard to figure out
how to do it (just edit a text file), but it involves SOME effort.
I learned to like KDE on my laptop.
> pick the other. Gnome and KDE use too much CPU cycles.
> There is also a Unbutu made for netbooks. Look for
> Unbutu Net Remix.
--
Cheers, Bev
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
"They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again
incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
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TOPIC: ObamaCare? q.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/9ae79237c67b0535?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 11:20 am
From: Lamumba
why should I subsidize people who don't take care of themselves?
Just yesterday Oprah featured a show on diet. So many illnesses are
result of eating junk foods. And meat!
An ounce of prevention....
Let's attack the causes of dis-ease not some financing of the results.
IMHO
--
Karma, What a concept!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 2:06 pm
From: info_at_gardenalley_dot_com@foo.com (DA)
responding to
http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/ObamaCare-q-61917-.htm
DA wrote:
Lamumba wrote:
> why should I subsidize people who don't take care of themselves?
> Just yesterday Oprah featured a show on diet. So many illnesses are
> result of eating junk foods. And meat!
> An ounce of prevention....
> Let's attack the causes of dis-ease not some financing of the results.
> IMHO
What makes you think you're not already subsidizing people practicing
[insert a vice here] inside your private insurer's pool? As far as I can
tell, insurance is still going to be insurance after 2014, i.e. a
financial device for spreading the risks around as big a pool of people as
possible. In fact, the bigger pool the better, and what can be bigger than
a whole country?
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(__)
(oo)
/-------/ EAT
/ | || MOR
* ||----|| CHIKIN!
~~ ~~
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 2 2011 2:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
DA wrote:
> responding to
> http://www.spendwize.com/groups/frugal/ObamaCare-q-61917-.htm
> DA wrote:
> Lamumba wrote:
>
>
>> why should I subsidize people who don't take care of themselves?
>> Just yesterday Oprah featured a show on diet. So many illnesses are
>> result of eating junk foods. And meat!
>> An ounce of prevention....
>> Let's attack the causes of dis-ease not some financing of the
>> results. IMHO
>
> What makes you think you're not already subsidizing people practicing
> [insert a vice here] inside your private insurer's pool? As far as I
> can tell, insurance is still going to be insurance after 2014, i.e. a
> financial device for spreading the risks around as big a pool of
> people as possible. In fact, the bigger pool the better, and what can
> be bigger than a whole country?
More than one whole country.
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