Frugal Living: Dec 14, 2009

Monday, December 14, 2009

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TOPIC: Thermostat Set-Back Help
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 10:13 pm
From: "h"

<sse11791@aim.com> wrote in message
news:7lk7i55sgifbifieun7ar8558di5uvgl04@4ax.com...
>I am trying to save money on my heating costs. I live alone and want
> to be able to turn off or set back the thermostat in my apartment when
> I am not home so that I can save money on heat.
>
> I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
> in upstate New York.
>
> I work and I am out of the house 10 hours a day and don't like the
> idea of heating a vacant apartment. But I am concerned that if I let
> the apartment get too cold while I am not home, it will cost just as
> much or more to re-heat it to a comfortable temperature.
>
> Is there a rule of thumb for how many degrees set-back will save
> money? Can I turn the heat down to 40 degrees during the day and then
> back up to room temperature when I get home? Or will that wind up
> costing the same as leaving the heat on?
>
> What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
> different?
>
> Thank you for your suggestions.

I keep my thermostat between 50-55 24x7.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:57 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill wrote
> <sse11791@aim.com> wrote in message

>> I am trying to save money on my heating costs.

> Turn down the heating for the entire apartment. Move the TV into the bedroom. Use a space heater to heat just the
> bedroom. Keep the door closed.

Makes more sense to use a heated throw or electric blanket instead.

> Also you can install clear plastic over the windows and tape it. Then heavy drapes over that.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 6:37 am
From: Marsha

Dave C. wrote:

> 8:00PM 68F (this is a perfect sleeping temperature for deep sleep)
>

You're kidding, right? At 68, we're roasting. It's 64 in our house 24/7.

Marsha

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 6:45 am
From: clams_casino

Marsha wrote:

> Dave C. wrote:
>
>> 8:00PM 68F (this is a perfect sleeping temperature for deep sleep)
>>
>
>
> You're kidding, right? At 68, we're roasting. It's 64 in our house
> 24/7.
>
> Marsha

We like 68 during the day & 65 for sleeping.

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TOPIC: How to glue? weld? join? plastic
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 12:56 am
From: "Rod Speed"

JohnDoe@BadISP.org wrote:
> I have had many of those plastic detergent-dispensing dishwashing
> brushes over the years but they all have a defect: the top which you
> remove to put in the detergent won't stay on. I don't need the
> detergent-dispensing function but I do like the large round ball in my
> hand so how can I fix permanently the dispenser top to the body?

> Solutions can't include metal such as pop rivets
> or screws because they'll likely tear the gloves.

Nope, pop rivets wont.

> And any glue must withstand near-boiling water.

Hot melt glue will survive that fine.

> I've tried heating the body to melting point with gas and then jamming
> on the top but it doesn't work very well. I'm considering a soldering
> iron poking a dimple.

> If anyone has already solved this I'd appreciate hearing about it.

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TOPIC: Seeking Rec for New Vacuum Cleaner
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 3:15 am
From: Bobster

On 30 Nov, 00:56, caloo calay <user132...@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My Eureka Bossvacuumhas finally worn out after about 10 years.
> Motor bearings came apart and the repair man says to junk it. It was
> a cheap vac, only about $89, I think, but pretty good, to last this
> long.
>
> I can't find new Eureka like it. The Eurekas are are allbaglessnow,
> apparently.
>
> I'm looking for another vac, of any brand, to replace it. One that
> has a bag, not these newbaglessones.
>
> Any recommendations for a cheap but good vac, with bag ?
>
> Thanks

Don't get a bagless. I thought after buying an Oreck Excel I could
never find a worse cleaner. Wrong. My wife bought a bagless Vax and
it's crap. After half a house you need to dismantle it and clean 3
filters. There's even a part of it clogged up which needs unscrewing
to get at. Who's gonna do this? And don't think you can leave it coz
if the filters are even slightly dusty the suction switches off and it
simply doesn't work. Cannister never gets more than 25% full as it
stops working way before that.
Utter shite.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:58 pm
From: "Dave C."

> Don't get a bagless. I thought after buying an Oreck Excel I could
> never find a worse cleaner. Wrong. My wife bought a bagless Vax and
> it's crap. After half a house you need to dismantle it and clean 3
> filters. There's even a part of it clogged up which needs unscrewing
> to get at. Who's gonna do this? And don't think you can leave it coz
> if the filters are even slightly dusty the suction switches off and it
> simply doesn't work. Cannister never gets more than 25% full as it
> stops working way before that.
> Utter shite.

That's the only bagless I've ever heard of that has such a problem. I
know we've used bagless vacs for years and never had to clean a
filter. Oh, I guess some could interpret dumping the dirt cup as
cleaning a filter, as there is a filter in that general area. But I've
never had to empty the dirt cup before the whole house was done.
And I've never seen the thing more than half full. I'm not sure
what would happen if it ever got full, but I doubt it would shut
itself off.

Sounds like someone bought a bagless vac with a major design flaw.
But I'd be shocked if any major brand bagless had the same problem.
-Dave

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TOPIC: Thermostat Set-Back
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b2f5e14474128aef?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 4:04 am
From: sse11791@aim.com

I can't reply to the messages I received. Although I was able to post
my question and read your responses, Agent is telling me that no
servers carry misc.consumers.frugal-living. Please accept my thanks

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:32:33 -0500, sse11791@aim.com wrote:

>I am trying to save money on my heating costs. I live alone and want
>to be able to turn off or set back the thermostat in my apartment when
>I am not home so that I can save money on heat.
>
>I have a 1200 sq foot apartment with forced hot air gas heat. I live
>in upstate New York.
>
>I work and I am out of the house 10 hours a day and don't like the
>idea of heating a vacant apartment. But I am concerned that if I let
>the apartment get too cold while I am not home, it will cost just as
>much or more to re-heat it to a comfortable temperature.
>
>Is there a rule of thumb for how many degrees set-back will save
>money? Can I turn the heat down to 40 degrees during the day and then
>back up to room temperature when I get home? Or will that wind up
>costing the same as leaving the heat on?
>
>What about if I am going away for the weekend? Is the set-back
>different?
>
>Thank you for your suggestions.

I got a lot of good advice. Except perhaps the part about the bear....
Not really interested in moving everything into the bedroom, I'd like
to keep using the entire apartment.

Sounds like turning the thermostat back to about 50-55 during the day
will keep my pipes from freezing and save me an average of about $10 a
month during the winter, or about $50 a year. I'll take it.

Thank you very much for your suggestions.

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TOPIC: Durabrand dvd players going up in flames
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 4:08 am
From: enough

I still remember my old Star NX-1000 dot matrix printer. Used regular
typewriter style ribbon, worked great for generating hard copies of
command line output. Do they still make line printers these days?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 12 2009 3:51 pm
From: "Dave C."

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:08:58 -0800 (PST)
enough <blinkingblythe02@gmail.com> wrote:

> I still remember my old Star NX-1000 dot matrix printer. Used regular
> typewriter style ribbon, worked great for generating hard copies of
> command line output. Do they still make line printers these days?

Do you have a credit/debit card receipt in your pocket? -Dave

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 10:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"

enough wrote:

Yes, but you wont like the price.

Not clear what the command line output is about, thats got nothing
to do with the other question of how the printing is done physically.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 8:09 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <20091213075124.d4d10121.noway@nohow.never>,
noway@nohow.never says...
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 04:08:58 -0800 (PST)
> enough <blinkingblythe02@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I still remember my old Star NX-1000 dot matrix printer. Used regular
> > typewriter style ribbon, worked great for generating hard copies of
> > command line output. Do they still make line printers these days?
>
> Do you have a credit/debit card receipt in your pocket? -Dave

Epson, Okidata, Tally Genicom (formerly Mannesman Tally) all
still make dot matrix impact printers. Star Micronics only makes
impact receipt printers. Their website says:

"The demand for dot matrix printers has remained somewhat steady
in the face of the growing popularity of thermal printers.
Besides costing less to operate, dot matrix printers offer some
features that are not available with thermal printers. Star
Micronics offers a wide variety of dot matrix printers to fit
nearly any application."

--Gene

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TOPIC: A couple of things you ought to know about the Healthcare Bill
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 6:46 am
From: Marsha

clams_casino wrote:
>>> Any way you look at it, George W Bush's legacy is grim.
>>>
>>
>> It is indeed. The only real saving grace is that we have not seen
>> another 9/11 on US soil.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
> which occurred on GW's watch - another notch in his legacy.

You're saying that none of the planning, flight training, etc. started
until after he became president and then they managed to carry it out in
just 9 months? Don't think so.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 8:01 am
From: clams_casino

Marsha wrote:

> clams_casino wrote:
>
>>>> Any way you look at it, George W Bush's legacy is grim.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is indeed. The only real saving grace is that we have not seen
>>> another 9/11 on US soil.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> which occurred on GW's watch - another notch in his legacy.
>
>
> You're saying that none of the planning, flight training, etc. started
> until after he became president and then they managed to carry it out
> in just 9 months? Don't think so.

Fully agree. Car bombings, etc have been around for >100 years.
Suicide terrorists have been around for longer that that.

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TOPIC: A machine that will roll wheat kernals into flakes
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 6:55 am
From: Shelley

Does anyone know of a machine that will roll wheat kernals into
flakes? I can find many that will roll oats, but they hiccup when it
comes to wheat. Please advise!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 9:43 am
From: Michael Black

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009, Shelley wrote:

> Does anyone know of a machine that will roll wheat kernals into
> flakes? I can find many that will roll oats, but they hiccup when it
> comes to wheat. Please advise!
>
Sprout the wheat (it only needs to sprout a bit to be edible, no need
for major growth) and then you can have crunchy cereal.

Michael

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TOPIC: Preposterous lies about Charles Novins retracted by masked, cowardly
critics.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 10:05 am
From: "Gregory Hall"

"Barbara Schwarz" <BarbaraSchwarz2004@excite.com> wrote in message
news:579c2032-8bc0-4071-b682-b00150204596@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

> Neal Warren aka Greg Hall is somebody nobody should be associated
> with. I had to complain also to ElfYourself to remove his copyright
> violation. They removed but but despite I told him to take it off,
> the criminal did not remove it.

I made a new one already, Barbara. I can make hundreds of new ones and you
can spend the rest of your life trying to get them removed and FAIL.
BWahhahahahhahahahahahah.

But, I won't tell you the URL so you can't complain about it and get it
removed. I will tell everybody but you the new URL so they can see you
dancing (and singing, too). LadyPilot said it was a hoot! And Garry Scarff
is rolling on the floor laughing his ass of and so is Tigger and many other
people you don't like you.

> Charles Novin, that man is a criminal and he libeled, defamed,
> harassed, and abused so many people online that it is just a matter of
> time till he is being sued.

Says the woman who posted numerous times saying I, Gregory Hall aka Neal
Warren was Cecil Warren a rapist and convicted sex offender. Says the woman
who bothered the police and wanted them to arrest me until they told her to
take a hike because Cecil Warren does not equal Gregory Hall aka Neal
Warren. In other words Barbara got slapped by the authorities because she's
a nut case known as the most prolific abuser of the freedom of information
act.

> He thinks he can't be served as he lives a bum life on a little
> nutshell but police has his data and he can be found via the Dept. of
> Veteran Affairs where he gets handouts and welfare.

Can't be served by a nut case, for sure. And law enforcement authorities
stick up for veterans of the armed forces against libeling, slandering
Germans living in the United States under assumed names. So watch out,
Barbara before YOU are the one who gets served and then kicked out of the
country.

> I have read some of first postings, Charles, in which you posted kind
> information about subjects that you were interested in. You are not a
> Greg Hall aka Neal Warren. You are not a vicious defamer and liar who
> stalks his victims relentlessly as Warren does. He just gets you in
> troubles and I give anybody the advice not to reply to his postings or
> e-mails who does not want a cyberstalker on her back.

Nobody listens to you, Barbara. Everybody knows you're nuts.

> Let him and his cheap sidekick (she defamed me as Nazi!) Katy
> "LadyPilot" rant, it is their time that they are wasting and whatever
> libel they post is just important for the law enforcement and law
> suits but needs no reply.

All law enforcement has to do is Google Barbara Schwarz and this is what
they will see:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Barbara+Schwarz&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-m1

They will just laugh their asses off and then have a discussion how to get
rid of this strange person.

--
Gregory Hall

If somebody emails you in your private life
claiming that she is of good character and
ethics and promises not to use your real
name on Usenet

"** I will not use your real name on Usenet."
-- Barbara Schwarz

but later does exactly that, then that female
named Barbara Schwarz proves to the whole
world that she is an oath breaker and a liar
and her word isn't worth anything. And, she
discredits Scientology and common decency
with her low character and suppressive
behavior so she is not worthy of representing
Scientology teachings.

Among these teachings by L. Ron Hubbard
is this: "Trustworthiness is a highly esteemed
commodity. When one has it, one is considered
valuable. When one has lost it, one may be
considered worthless." Sad that this great
man if alive today may consider his own
daughter to be worthless.

I don't think Barbara Schwarz is worthless,
however, as I maintain from a Christian
perspective that it is fair and reasonable
to give any misguided person a chance
to repent.

An honest and mature person would apologize
for willfully breaking her promise and ask
forgiveness for her lack of morality. Her actions
are an affront not only to me but to all civilized
people. This apology is especially important when
a person such as Barbara Schwarz has repeatedly
claimed on ARS that she is honest and truthful
all the time.

But, now that Barbara Schwarz is a proven liar,
who can trust anything she posts anymore?

This is a severe punishment for somebody to
impose upon herself simply because she
would rather remain a stubborn immature
individual who sees nothing wrong with a
breach of trust.

This also reflects badly on the Church of
Scientology. Is it any wonder they no longer
wish to be associated with her? She drags
all of Scientology down with her childish
and irrational actions.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 8:16 pm
From: Barbara Schwarz

On Dec 12, 5:43 am, Atlas Bugged <atlasbuggedbys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The anonymous posters using falsified identifiers have e-mailed
> prominent attorney Charles Novins with apologies, concerned they may
> be found out, and jockeying to avoid being sued, as several others
> have. The falsified and libelous posts, alleging "drug addiction,"
> "rape" and other ridiculous, libelous, and other obviously false
> acusations have appeared on Usenet and been republished in various
> internet fora.
>
> Atlas Bugged
>
> More info on this here:http://www.charles-novins-bugged-by-libel.com/

As I said, Charles, Neal Warren (Gregory Hall) violates the laws and I
would not want to befriend a lawless person like him.

He is involved in forgeries (He now forges Mark de Rothschild),
copyright violations, libel, defamation, abuse, cyberstalking, lies,
harassment, sexual harassment and retaliates when he is rejected. Any
person that befriends that homeless sexist who claims any cruelty he
does is forgiven by Jesus will end up in troubles.

Before you e-mail him again or respond again to his posted messages,
please google first his postings and see yourself that he is exactly
the type of person who also defame you and others.

As the saying says: Tell me who your friends are, and I am telling you
who you are.

He looks for a "helpmate". An old guy as he apparently needs help but
he won't need it because a prison warden will be his helpmate.

Best wishes, Charles.

Barbara Schwarz

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 1:03 pm
From: InfoSeeker

On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:50:36 -0800 (PST), Suppurating Tool
<kinkysr@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Whew!
>
>Thanks Rach!
>
>My wife was about to sign up for Cricket when we saw your warning.
>
>We're saved!

Do you often reply to your own posts while trying (unsuccessfully)
to look like a different poster?

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TOPIC: Save $$$ Enjoy the Moment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 1:08 pm
From: Al

On Dec 12, 12:45 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> there's an excellent chance that the humans will go extinct. Sooner or
> later. after all 99% of all the species that have ever existed are gone.
> It' not unusual.
> So, my advice; Enjoy the Moment
> and ;
> If you are in the moment, you will tap into a space where you don't do
> "needy" A great way to walk lightly on the earth.
> Good Luck ! People of the Earth.
> --
> money; what a concept!

Sounds like the advice of someone who is cramming for their finals,
not that there's anything wrong with it.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 13 2009 8:19 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <uldvh5la188bdihirlgp3k28i60ht7erdc@4ax.com>, anarch@
666yes.net says...
> On Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:51:40 -0500, jeff <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Your "solution:"
> >seems to be wait eons for mother nature to exterminate man and fix the
> >problem.
>
> That will happen, and what's wrong with that? Man isn't destined to be
> on this planet forever. We are a species and should become extinct
> just as much as the dodo bird.

The dodo was driven to extinction by the actions of man, who
found them edible, and the predators introduced by man to the
dodo's home of Mauritius wiped out their nests.

--Gene

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