Saturday, May 29, 2010

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 12:16 am
From: "Bob F"


Michael Black wrote:
> On Fri, 28 May 2010, Bob F wrote:
>
>> I picked up a desktop Dell Inspiron Box yesterday at Goodwill for
>> $15. No harddrive, but includes working power supply, motherboard,
>> Q8200 quad core processor, 4 GB of memory and a DVD RW drive. I've
>> been wanting to upgrade my PC.
>>
> I was thinking about buying an LCD monitor, thought maybe I'd see one
> this year at a garage sale, since there's been enough penetration
> that I can imagine people getting a smaller one with a computer, and
> selling it off when they buy a larger monitor.
>
> But when it was University Move Out Day at the beginning of May, I
> came across a 17" LCD monitor lying on the sidewalk. I was really
> lucky, because it had been raining, but the monitor was put out after
> the rain, and I had gone back to check one more time, and the monitor
> appeared between my two visits to that street.
>
> I've been thinking it's time to buy a new used computer, the hand me
> down I'm using was given to me five years ago. So I did buy that
> 80gig hard drive at a garage sale a few weeks ago, for five dollars,
> in case I find something without a drive. Of course, I'm kind of looking for
> a cheap "new" computer that handles sata drives, since I pulled a
> 320gig sata drive out of a satellite receiver I found last summer. I
> picked it up, walked along a bit, thought of dumping it (I have no
> use for them, other than parts, and they are pretty common) and then
> realised there was a hard drive inside. So I opened it, took the drive out
> and
> dumped the rest of the receiver.
>
> I am wondering whether that large LCD tv set I saw lying on the
> sidewalk a few weeks ago was bad, or just somebody abandoning it. It
> was too large to carry home, certainly too large when I wasn't sure
> it was working. There was another tv set with it, so that does make
> me wonder.

This "new" computer only handles SATA drives. Build date on it is '08.

No IDE, floppy, serial, or parallel ports. 1st one like that for me. Only one
PCI slot, too.


On the lookout for SATA drives now.

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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:59 am
From: a real cheapskate


On May 28, 1:28�pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> hall...@aol.com wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> hall...@aol.com wrote
> >>> keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Eric pag...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
> >>>>>> practice, relating to how you make your money go much further
> >>>>>> than it used to, whether it's for food - weekly living expenses,
> >>>>>> home and financial investment, etc.
> >>>>> Spend less than your income. Find alternatives. Live life moderately.
> >>>> Make more than you spend. Live life.
> >>> learn the difference between needs and wants.:)
> >> No thanks, if all I spent on was real needs, it would be a pathetic existence.
> >>> you NEED food to live!! But you may WANT to eat out at
> >>> fancy restaurants nightly, but you dont need to do that to live.
> >> I prefer to eat better than the bare minimum that will keep me alive and healthy.
> >>> Its far easier to make your wants a little less than your income.
> >> Depends on your income. Thats a lie with the lowest incomes.
> >>> Trying to make enough to buy all your wants just becomes impossible.
> >> Nope, not for everyone.
> >>> the more you make the more you want,
> >> That isnt true of everyone.
> >>> into a spiral of unlimited spending:( maxed out credit cards etc
> >> How odd that none of mine are.
> > far too many americans had wants far larger than needs or income.
>
> Their problem. That isnt my situation.
>
> > today they are the ones going bankrupt, maxed out cards, homes in
> > forecosure vehicles beig repoed/\\
>
> Thats always been a small minority.
>
> > glad you are under control
>
> Thats completely effortless, I dont even want what those fools want.
>
> > but far too many arent
>
> Yes, but what you propose wont help them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

a large percentage of americans are currently behind on their mortage.
like 15 percent i forget the exact number,

just look at our country.

few save anything, live paycheck to paycheck, have big credit card
bills and no plans to pay them off.

the debts normal everybody has debt mentailty can get people in
serious grief.

overspending can lead tyo divorce, most divorces are over money.

well the divorce effect far more than the 2 people who decide to
split.

think of the kids and all the colateral damage that overspending
causes.

even those with perfect credit are paying for those who go bankrupt


== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 6:13 am
From: a real cheapskate


On May 28, 1:28�pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> hall...@aol.com wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> hall...@aol.com wrote
> >>> keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Eric pag...@hotmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
> >>>>>> practice, relating to how you make your money go much further
> >>>>>> than it used to, whether it's for food - weekly living expenses,
> >>>>>> home and financial investment, etc.
> >>>>> Spend less than your income. Find alternatives. Live life moderately.
> >>>> Make more than you spend. Live life.
> >>> learn the difference between needs and wants.:)
> >> No thanks, if all I spent on was real needs, it would be a pathetic existence.
> >>> you NEED food to live!! But you may WANT to eat out at
> >>> fancy restaurants nightly, but you dont need to do that to live.
> >> I prefer to eat better than the bare minimum that will keep me alive and healthy.
> >>> Its far easier to make your wants a little less than your income.
> >> Depends on your income. Thats a lie with the lowest incomes.
> >>> Trying to make enough to buy all your wants just becomes impossible.
> >> Nope, not for everyone.
> >>> the more you make the more you want,
> >> That isnt true of everyone.
> >>> into a spiral of unlimited spending:( maxed out credit cards etc
> >> How odd that none of mine are.
> > far too many americans had wants far larger than needs or income.
>
> Their problem. That isnt my situation.
>
> > today they are the ones going bankrupt, maxed out cards, homes in
> > forecosure vehicles beig repoed/\\
>
> Thats always been a small minority.
>
> > glad you are under control
>
> Thats completely effortless, I dont even want what those fools want.
>
> > but far too many arent
>
> Yes, but what you propose wont help them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

feds need to put some realistic limits on companies gving credit.

a easy move...

if the credit card company gives anyone too much credit, the company
agrees in advance to a max interest rate say 10%

== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 9:31 am
From: "h"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:f4qdnZBJvPZVYmPWnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <2u1tv55p4g8fs8551fhiotr33h39cguq4r@4ax.com>,
> Frank Erskine <frank.erskine@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 27 May 2010 00:35:08 -0700 (PDT), Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
> [ ... ]
>
>>>Spend less than your income.
>
>>If only the last government had heeded that maxim...
>
> They did a lot better than the current spendthrift.
>
>
You're kidding, right?


== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 9:35 am
From: "h"

"Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ompomelet-FD38C3.20080627052010@news-wc.giganews.com...
> Take cash and a written list to the grocery store.
> Leave debit cards, credit cards and the checkbook home when you go
> shopping. Stick to the list and don't browse.
>
> You will save hundreds per month....Trust me.

Nope. Take the same list, stick to it, pay with a rewards credit card, pay
the bill in full each month, and get hundreds of dollars back each year. I
get back about $750 a year in cash, not merchandise, by using my card for
every possible purchase, and I never pay the card company a cent. The real
trick is to never buy anything you don't actually need.

== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 10:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"


a real cheapskate wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> hall...@aol.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> hall...@aol.com wrote
>>>>> keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Eric pag...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
>>>>>>>> practice, relating to how you make your money go much further
>>>>>>>> than it used to, whether it's for food - weekly living
>>>>>>>> expenses, home and financial investment, etc.

>>>>>>> Spend less than your income. Find alternatives. Live life moderately.

>>>>>> Make more than you spend. Live life.

>>>>> learn the difference between needs and wants.:)

>>>> No thanks, if all I spent on was real needs, it would be a pathetic existence.

>>>>> you NEED food to live!! But you may WANT to eat out at
>>>>> fancy restaurants nightly, but you dont need to do that to live.

>>>> I prefer to eat better than the bare minimum that will keep me alive and healthy.

>>>>> Its far easier to make your wants a little less than your income.

>>>> Depends on your income. Thats a lie with the lowest incomes.

>>>>> Trying to make enough to buy all your wants just becomes impossible.

>>>> Nope, not for everyone.

>>>>> the more you make the more you want,

>>>> That isnt true of everyone.

>>>>> into a spiral of unlimited spending:( maxed out credit cards etc

>>> How odd that none of mine are.

>>> far too many americans had wants far larger than needs or income.

>> Their problem. That isnt my situation.

>>> today they are the ones going bankrupt, maxed out
>>> cards, homes in forecosure vehicles beig repoed/\\

>> Thats always been a small minority.

>>> glad you are under control

>> Thats completely effortless, I dont even want what those fools want.

>>> but far too many arent

>> Yes, but what you propose wont help them.

> a large percentage of americans are currently behind on
> their mortage. like 15 percent i forget the exact number,

Thats not a large percentage, its a small percentage and
unsurprising given that 10% are unemployed and something
like 20% want a full time job and dont currently have one.

And some of that alleged 15% are taking advantage of
the stupid US non recourse system with mortgages too.

> just look at our country.

> few save anything,

Thats a lie with the home ownership rate at an all time historic high.

Thats the main way they save.

> live paycheck to paycheck, have big credit card bills and no plans to pay them off.

In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.

> the debts normal everybody has debt mentailty

Yes, very few can get a house any other way. Bet you didnt.

> can get people in serious grief.

And the majority dont, in fact pay off their cards in full every month.

> overspending can lead tyo divorce,

So can fucking around.

> most divorces are over money.

Easy to claim. Pity you cant actually substantiate that claim.

> well the divorce effect far more than the 2 people who decide to split.

So does not divorcing when that makes sense too.

> think of the kids and all the colateral damage that overspending causes.

And plenty choose not to have kids at all.

> even those with perfect credit are paying for those who go bankrupt

Nope. I dont pay a cent in interest, so dont pay a cent for those who go bankrupt.


== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 10:21 am
From: "Rod Speed"


a real cheapskate wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> hall...@aol.com wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> hall...@aol.com wrote
>>>>> keith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Eric pag...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
>>>>>>>> practice, relating to how you make your money go much further
>>>>>>>> than it used to, whether it's for food - weekly living
>>>>>>>> expenses, home and financial investment, etc.

>>>>>>> Spend less than your income. Find alternatives. Live life moderately.

>>>>>> Make more than you spend. Live life.

>>>>> learn the difference between needs and wants.:)

>>>> No thanks, if all I spent on was real needs, it would be a pathetic existence.

>>>>> you NEED food to live!! But you may WANT to eat out at
>>>>> fancy restaurants nightly, but you dont need to do that to live.

>>>> I prefer to eat better than the bare minimum that will keep me alive and healthy.

>>>>> Its far easier to make your wants a little less than your income.

>>>> Depends on your income. Thats a lie with the lowest incomes.

>>>>> Trying to make enough to buy all your wants just becomes impossible.

>>>> Nope, not for everyone.

>>>>> the more you make the more you want,

>>>> That isnt true of everyone.

>>>>> into a spiral of unlimited spending:( maxed out credit cards etc

>>>> How odd that none of mine are.

>>> far too many americans had wants far larger than needs or income.

>> Their problem. That isnt my situation.

>>> today they are the ones going bankrupt, maxed out
>>> cards, homes in forecosure vehicles beig repoed/\\

>> Thats always been a small minority.

>>> glad you are under control

>> Thats completely effortless, I dont even want what those fools want.

>>> but far too many arent

>> Yes, but what you propose wont help them.

> feds need to put some realistic limits on companies gving credit.

Not even possible.

> a easy move...

Nope.

> if the credit card company gives anyone too much credit, the
> company agrees in advance to a max interest rate say 10%

That would mean that the credit duds would be subsidised
by everyone else even more than they currently are.

The reason the credit duds are slugged a much higher rate is
because its them that produce the highest costs for the industry.


== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 11:10 am
From: Smitty Two


In article <86d0glFem8U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.

Cite?


== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 12:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Smitty Two wrote:
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.

> Cite?

http://www.bosfed.org/economic/neer/neer2000/neer400b.pdf

Bottom left hand corner of page 20

== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 12:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"


Rod Speed wrote
> Smitty Two wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.

>> Cite?

> http://www.bosfed.org/economic/neer/neer2000/neer400b.pdf

> Bottom left hand corner of page 20

and
http://www.bcsalliance.com/creditcard_profits.html


== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 1:56 pm
From: George


On 5/29/2010 12:35 PM, h wrote:
> "Omelet"<ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ompomelet-FD38C3.20080627052010@news-wc.giganews.com...
>> Take cash and a written list to the grocery store.
>> Leave debit cards, credit cards and the checkbook home when you go
>> shopping. Stick to the list and don't browse.
>>
>> You will save hundreds per month....Trust me.
>
> Nope. Take the same list, stick to it, pay with a rewards credit card, pay
> the bill in full each month, and get hundreds of dollars back each year. I
> get back about $750 a year in cash, not merchandise, by using my card for
> every possible purchase, and I never pay the card company a cent. The real
> trick is to never buy anything you don't actually need.
>
>
>
And I am all for people paying for their own rewards. If someone decides
to use cash there should be nothing barring the merchant from offering a
cash discount.


== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:03 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)


In article <htrfgn$obv$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>
>"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
>news:f4qdnZBJvPZVYmPWnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
>> In article <2u1tv55p4g8fs8551fhiotr33h39cguq4r@4ax.com>,
>> Frank Erskine <frank.erskine@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 27 May 2010 00:35:08 -0700 (PDT), Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>> [ ... ]

>>>>Spend less than your income.

>>>If only the last government had heeded that maxim...

>> They did a lot better than the current spendthrift.


>You're kidding, right?

To clarify a bit, Frank is in the UK and was referring to the
recently-ousted British Labour party, who's spent the last
couple of decades destroying the British economy and turning
a free country into a near police state.

I did not realize Franks' perspective right away, leading to
some confusion.

My comment was in reference to Barack Obama, who is trying to
do the same to the United States. Regarding his spending:

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/obama-budget-more-than-16

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2009/03/The-Obama-Budget-Spending-Taxes-and-Doubling-the-National-Debt

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96JCFLG1&show_article=1

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/02/obamas-budget-a.html


Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Did you hear about the new saint, San Adreas? He's the patron saint of
blame, it's all his fault.


== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 6:51 pm
From: Smitty Two


In article <86d9d0F1hvU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rod Speed wrote
> > Smitty Two wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>> In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.
>
> >> Cite?
>
> > http://www.bosfed.org/economic/neer/neer2000/neer400b.pdf
>
> > Bottom left hand corner of page 20
>
> and
> http://www.bcsalliance.com/creditcard_profits.html

Thanks, that's surprising. First reference is 10 years old, and I didn't
see a date on the second one, but that's not the picture commonly
painted of American's cc habits.


== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 8:03 pm
From: a real cheapskate


On May 29, 9:51�pm, Smitty Two <prestwh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In article <86d9d0F1h...@mid.individual.net>,
> �"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rod Speed wrote
> > > Smitty Two wrote
> > >> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > >>> In fact the majority pay off their credit cards in full every month.
>
> > >> Cite?
>
> > >http://www.bosfed.org/economic/neer/neer2000/neer400b.pdf
>
> > > Bottom left hand corner of page 20
>
> > and
> >http://www.bcsalliance.com/creditcard_profits.html
>
> Thanks, that's surprising. First reference is 10 years old, and I didn't
> see a date on the second one, but that's not the picture commonly
> painted of American's cc habits.

yeah and 13% of all US mortages are at least a month behind in
payments, thats a all time historical high

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 6:10 am
From: "h"

"Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
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>
> I fixed the thread title.
>
Just stop replying. PLONK!

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 8:58 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


No matter whether the revolution comes to power in Mexico (Jalapeno
Revolution) or any other third world Banana Republic which today
copies lifestyles from the West (SUVs and all), these are the general
conditions set out by the Comandante (me)...

a) Bicycles are vehicles, thereby they are entitled to taking the lane
--cars must clear the lane 30' before and after

b) Cyclists must wear bright vests or lycra suits in plain daylight.
Lights are mandatory at night --or be issued a ticket

c) When there's an accident between car and bike, the driver is to
blame until proven otherwise

d) No phones policy

e) Passing lane policy

f) Decency law... YOU CAN WEAR WHATEVER YOU FUCKING WANT!

http://www.deletetheweb.com/unstuck/naked-suits.jpg


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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Live and Let Live"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION


== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 3:07 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


On May 29, 5:03 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> in your twisted world, rickshaws would soon vie for the same space
> occupied by bicycles. Bicycles entail too much freedom, especially
> single seaters. Unicycles should be banned altogether. Bound to create
> bicycle envy (due to the extra skill require and ability to move into
> and out of tighter spaces).
> Have you wondered any of this at all. You commie freak?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Book_of_Communism

Only under PREDATORY CAPITALISM this is not possible...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6YxhKH590

****

Now COMMUNIST CHINA wants to join you in your predation and buy
Hummer.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 9:21 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


This the ultimate video for the revolution...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx364Lm53Aw

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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d165f49621b82752?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 3:37 pm
From: brad herschel


On May 29, 2:37 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm calling this America's ecological 9/11     32 minutes ago     This
> disaster could end up being worse than Chernobyl and 9/11 combined.
> Unless they plug that leak within the next month it will turn the Gulf
> of Mexico into a dead zone for the next 100 years.
>
> I don't think Americans realize how devastating this disaster is. The
> time has come to nationalize BP and to investigate the leadership of
> the company and if they are guilty of negligence they should be handed
> Madoff-like jail sentences.
>
> Keep BP alive until every cent required to recify the damage has been
> taken from it's hide.
>
> brad

FYI


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 8:15 pm
From: a real cheapskate


On May 29, 6:37�pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 29, 2:37�pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm calling this America's ecological 9/11 � � 32 minutes ago � � This
> > disaster could end up being worse than Chernobyl and 9/11 combined.
> > Unless they plug that leak within the next month it will turn the Gulf
> > of Mexico into a dead zone for the next 100 years.
>
> > I don't think Americans realize how devastating this disaster is. The
> > time has come to nationalize BP and to investigate the leadership of
> > the company and if they are guilty of negligence they should be handed
> > Madoff-like jail sentences.
>
> > Keep BP alive until every cent required to recify the damage has been
> > taken from it's hide.
>
> > brad
>
> FYI

BP is the massey energy of oil.....

BOTH companies had far higher than other accident and citation rates
than other companies.

BP near 800 major deficency citations Exxon mobile ONE sunocy 8.

BP like massey just paid the fines as a cost of doing business.

EASY SOLUTION:)

when any company gets higher than industry average fines / citations.

Fines double then triple then quadruple.

so comanies cant afford to be poor safety operators.

The other issue BP is on the hook to pay all clean up costs.

But what of the colateral damage all the fishermen, resturants bars
amusement parks hotels that depend on tourism to survive.

None of these people did anything wrong but will lkely go out of
business, unable to pay bills.

now the oil is collecting in the gulf, what happens when a hurricane
comes along and spreads the oil around florida and up the east coast

I believe this leak will push our economy not just back into recession
but depression.

imagine wiping out tourism and so much more in not only the gulf and
florida but all the way up the east coast:(

BP isnt big enough to cover the colateral damage they will go
bankrupt.


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 5:15 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


Tell your Jesus to fix the world instead of talking about the other
life.

I think he's a BULLSHITTER...

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/Funny%20Jesus.jpg


-----------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Bullshitting is no good for the world. We need action"

http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 7:44 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)


In article <GP2dncZwx47jVGLWnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:

>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>>I know where Gary H is, know that Dennis still comes around, but...

Well, after nearly 50 years on the same street, I've sort of put
down some pretty deep roots.

>>Whatever happened to:
> Derald just got older and a little more funny-looking. [ ... ]

Derald also forgot that if he expects an answer to email he sends, he
needs to provide a valid email address.

Briefly, I'm following up to articles that have more than five newsgroups
in the original header, which is why your newsreader is dropping my posts.


Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Did you hear about the new saint, San Adreas? He's the patron saint of
blame, it's all his fault.


== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 29 2010 10:06 pm
From: Derald

gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

>
>Derald also forgot that if he expects an answer to email he sends, he
>needs to provide a valid email address.
...sheesh! what a concept.... LOL
>
>Briefly, I'm following up to articles that have more than five newsgroups
>in the original header, which is why your newsreader is dropping my posts.
Ah; so. I suppose that I shall continue to miss the occasional gem,
then. By the time I notice again that I'm missing some of your posts, I
will have forgot. So it goes.
--
Derald


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Enterprises is a virus, or malware, or worm, or spyware, or dishonest adware
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 7:06 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°

I fixed the thread title.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 7:34 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
news:htpsqi$ta$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> I fixed the thread title.

I am amazed at the good nature of these newsgroups that allow a scum bucket
like TM to continue to post his outrageous shit. He originates threads which
have no purpose at all and are nonsensical in the extreme.

Mr. Sherman and I once went for many hundreds of posts on a single thread.
And why not? After it, it was on just one subject. But it takes brains and
focus to do this, obviously something that TM lacks.

When good men do nothing, then evil men prevail.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota


== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 9:48 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


On May 28, 10:34 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in messagenews:htpsqi$ta$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
> > I fixed the thread title.
>
> I am amazed at the good nature of these newsgroups that allow a scum bucket
> like TM to continue to post his outrageous shit. He originates threads which
> have no purpose at all and are nonsensical in the extreme.
>
> Mr. Sherman and I once went for many hundreds of posts on a single thread.
> And why not? After it, it was on just one subject. But it takes brains and
> focus to do this, obviously something that TM lacks.
>
> When good men do nothing, then evil men prevail.

Ed attacks and infects newsgroups. Watch it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCMtX17CiKw

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 10:25 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:55fdde57-d70e-4b21-9cb3-3bfad7ca1e19@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 10:34 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in
> messagenews:htpsqi$ta$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > I fixed the thread title.
>
> I am amazed at the good nature of these newsgroups that allow a scum
> bucket
> like TM to continue to post his outrageous shit. He originates threads
> which
> have no purpose at all and are nonsensical in the extreme.
>
> Mr. Sherman and I once went for many hundreds of posts on a single thread.
> And why not? After it, it was on just one subject. But it takes brains and
> focus to do this, obviously something that TM lacks.
>
> When good men do nothing, then evil men prevail.

>>> Ed attacks and infects newsgroups. Watch it here...

>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCMtX17CiKw

What a poor crazy bastard you are. Why not get a life, you poor crazy
bastard!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 7:10 pm
From: Tom Sherman °_°


On 5/28/2010 5:36 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
> In<ddbebc0a-ad89-45b2-bfc8-a03dc065d86b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> TibetanMonkey wrote, in part and edited for space:
>
>> On May 27, 10:24 pm, VFW<george...@toast.net> wrote:
>
>>> When I bicycled to work in NYC. I painted the whole bike DAYGlo orange.
>>> very visible!
>>>
>>> It still got stolen.
>>
>> Maybe that's WHY it got stolen.
>>
>> It's better to be seen on the road for the big predators (wear orange
>> vest), but it's better to be camouflaged for the little predators --
>> the rats.
>
> I think it got stolen because NYC has ferocious bike thieves. It
> appears to me that NYC has a lot of amoral people willing to buy stolen
> property. One thing I know is that some bike locks have antitheft
> warranties that are not good in NYC.
>
> One lock I like: OnGuard "Pit Bull Mini". It cost me $39 and comes
> with, IIRC, a $2,251 antitheft warranty that does not exclude NYC. But I
> had to order it. I am having trouble now finding a bike shop that stocks
> U-locks of any brand other than Kryptonite.
>
The solution is to move from NYC to a civilized place.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.


== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 9:41 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


On May 28, 2:35 pm, Jim A <j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 05/28/2010 07:21 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 1:34 pm, Jim A<j...@averyjim.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> >> On 05/28/2010 06:12 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> >> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote:
>
> >>> Any change needs BIG NOISE, COORDINATION AND SOLIDARITY, not unlike...
>
> >>>http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.htm
>
> >> Which says ...
>
> >> Page not found
> >> Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog Big Noise does not
> >> exist.
>
> >> I'm sorry, Commandante, but that is a bit deep even for me to fathom.
>
> >> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org-enjoy the ride
>
> > It's not that deep. The prey (cyclists) sticking together and MAKING
> > NOISE (like monkeys), can defeat the lions of the jungle (those who
> > deny us space)...
>
> > (AWESOME VIDEO)
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM&feature=fvst
>
> Wow, that is quite something!
>
> > Do you enjoy a "lion free" community? ;)
>
> I'm lucky. Around where I live everyone is really nice (on the whole).
>
> --www.slowbicyclemovement.org- enjoy the ride

Around here is open season for the lions going hunting for monkeys,
who 99% of the time ride on sidewalks... No, I don't live in Zimbabwe,
but in Miami Beach. ;)

Lucky you!


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 9:43 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


On May 28, 6:36 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <ddbebc0a-ad89-45b2-bfc8-a03dc065d...@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> TibetanMonkey wrote, in part and edited for space:
>
> >On May 27, 10:24 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> >> When I bicycled to work in NYC. I painted the whole bike DAYGlo orange.
> >> very visible!
>
> >> It still got stolen.
>
> >Maybe that's WHY it got stolen.
>
> >It's better to be seen on the road for the big predators (wear orange
> >vest), but it's better to be camouflaged for the little predators --
> >the rats.
>
>   I think it got stolen because NYC has ferocious bike thieves.  It
> appears to me that NYC has a lot of amoral people willing to buy stolen
> property.  One thing I know is that some bike locks have antitheft
> warranties that are not good in NYC.
>
>   One lock I like:  OnGuard "Pit Bull Mini".  It cost me $39 and comes
> with, IIRC, a $2,251 antitheft warranty that does not exclude NYC.  But I
> had to order it.  I am having trouble now finding a bike shop that stocks
> U-locks of any brand other than Kryptonite.
>
> --
>  - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

They stole mine too while I was sleeping next to it!

But see how many get stolen in Amsterdam too. I'd put security cameras
everywhere to catch the rats, and perhaps put a little chip in it to
give them a surprise. ;)


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 9:44 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"


On May 28, 10:10 pm, Tom Sherman °_°
<twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
> On 5/28/2010 5:36 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> > In<ddbebc0a-ad89-45b2-bfc8-a03dc065d...@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
> > TibetanMonkey wrote, in part and edited for space:
>
> >> On May 27, 10:24 pm, VFW<george...@toast.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> When I bicycled to work in NYC. I painted the whole bike DAYGlo orange.
> >>> very visible!
>
> >>> It still got stolen.
>
> >> Maybe that's WHY it got stolen.
>
> >> It's better to be seen on the road for the big predators (wear orange
> >> vest), but it's better to be camouflaged for the little predators --
> >> the rats.
>
> >    I think it got stolen because NYC has ferocious bike thieves.  It
> > appears to me that NYC has a lot of amoral people willing to buy stolen
> > property.  One thing I know is that some bike locks have antitheft
> > warranties that are not good in NYC.
>
> >    One lock I like:  OnGuard "Pit Bull Mini".  It cost me $39 and comes
> > with, IIRC, a $2,251 antitheft warranty that does not exclude NYC.  But I
> > had to order it.  I am having trouble now finding a bike shop that stocks
> > U-locks of any brand other than Kryptonite.
>
> The solution is to move from NYC to a civilized place.
>

The civilized place is in Norway or something. Well, Key West too.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 9:57 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)


In article <htpt21$ta$3@news.eternal-september.org>, Tom Sherman °_° wrote:
>On 5/28/2010 5:36 PM, Don Klipstein wrote:
>> In<ddbebc0a-ad89-45b2-bfc8-a03dc065d86b@c11g2000vbe.googlegroups.com>,
>> TibetanMonkey wrote, in part and edited for space:
>>
>>> On May 27, 10:24 pm, VFW<george...@toast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> When I bicycled to work in NYC. I painted the whole bike DAYGlo orange.
>>>> very visible!
>>>>
>>>> It still got stolen.
>>>
>>> Maybe that's WHY it got stolen.
>>>
>>> It's better to be seen on the road for the big predators (wear orange
>>> vest), but it's better to be camouflaged for the little predators --
>>> the rats.
>>
>> I think it got stolen because NYC has ferocious bike thieves. It
>> appears to me that NYC has a lot of amoral people willing to buy stolen
>> property. One thing I know is that some bike locks have antitheft
>> warranties that are not good in NYC.
>>
>> One lock I like: OnGuard "Pit Bull Mini". It cost me $39 and comes
>> with, IIRC, a $2,251 antitheft warranty that does not exclude NYC. But I
>> had to order it. I am having trouble now finding a bike shop that stocks
>> U-locks of any brand other than Kryptonite.
>>
>The solution is to move from NYC to a civilized place.

Actually, I have little need to be in NYC, and I live elsewhere and work
elsewhere. My rant turned to bike shops in my experience stopping
stocking of U-locks other than Kryptonite ones, while I know of another
that appears to me to be much more lock for the money. As in similar
model, same brand that I bought from stock in a bike shop a little less
than 4 years ago.

I had to replace my non-Kryptonite lock after about 3.3 years of duty
that I have known to destroy a same-price Kryptonite one in 2 years. In
both luck destruction cases, the lock failed to refuse to be pulled open
by mild human arm strength. In both cases, the lock was for a delivery
bike that had to work harder when the weather got worse. As in through
weather how bad? My delivery schedule only lost most of 1 day and was
curtailed (not completely eliminated) for half of another in February
2010, in Philadelphia. 2 of Philadelphia's top-10 snowstorms, likely 2 of
the top-7, ever since 1884, hit Philadelphia in February 2010.

As for what I ride through? How about Philadelphia's winter of
1993-1994? That one was strangely average by temperature, total
precipitation, and snowfall. But the prime official weather statistics
do not tell the tale of the historic ice storms - including one that was
said to be the first time that US Post Office refused to deliver mail due
to weather ever since being created in Philadelphia.
I delivered through that ice storm - both lunch and dinner shifts. The
temperature was mostly 26-27 F and it was raining. The relative humidity
readings and lack of fog indicated that the raindrops were supercooled
ones having an even lower temperature.
So, I walk into buildings with my coat going crunch-crunch-crunch from
the icy coating on it audibly cracking in response to my body movements.
And I had small icicles dangling from the rim of my bike helmet.
The day after, mail was not delivered - but I did deliver. I rode the
delivery bike somewhat often sideways, backwards or spinning around, and
spilling every hour or two. But I made a lot of people very happy when
they had to put money into my hands!

How about the mid-March 2010 Nor'Easter hitting Philadelphia? I rode
through that storm also! I consider that one to be the first Nor'Easter
to dump more chilly windblown rain on Philadelphia after the Christmas Eve
1978 one. And the Christmas Eve 1978 one was not as badly windy! I
delivered by bike through the mid-March 2010 storm! My biggest complaint
there is that I had my cell phone drowned by the rain, and it recovered
incompletely - the more-external and smaller and simpler of the 2 displays
on a "2-display flip-phone" died by drowning, and everything else in my
cell phone recovered.

Actually, I might make that my #2 complaint of that storm, second to
being deprived of the features of my cellphone that did recover by the
next morning (such as working at all).

Considering what I complain about, I hope ones consider that I get
myself into a good mood to ride bikes through "tonnage of brown matter
hitting industrial strength fans". As in explaining how I can destroy
U-locks by using them as-intended when and where I would use them.

Do you want to know what is a bike that survived over 3.5 years of
being my main delivery truck (especially in worse weather) and also being
my main commuting car (disproportionately relived from that job in worse
weather due to convenient public transit)?

I described that favorite bike of mine to my youngest brother. He
responded by saying that it sounded almost as simple as an anvil.
(Fixed gear track bike.) I responded back to him by saying "good choice
of words", since I consider this bike to be only a little more delicate
than an anvil.

This bike is a Bianchi "Pista" (I consider to be "entry level track
bike" / "training bike" / "a good messenger bike") that I purchased in
late August 2006. The frame, fork, fork bearings, and rear wheel
(excluding tires/tubes but including the hub, spokes and rim,excluding
the bearings) and the crankarms and handlebar stem and handlebar and
saddle are still the same ones that this bike had when I bought it. After
over 3.5 years and likely near 30,000 miles, mostly even with a front
basket attached! (Wald 17" by 13" by either 6 or 7 inches IIRC). (I am
already on my second front basket.)

The original front wheel was lost due to upgrade to a more aerodynamic
one. The aerodynamic upgrade front wheel's rim and spokes failed to
survive interaction with a cager running a stop sign in a short period of
my life when I liked to be more hesitant with brakes. However, that
front wheel that failed to survive a crash did survive many impacts by
Pennsylvania potholes! (I wonder where I stashed the original front wheel
of this bike - I suspect I likely gave it away to the "Bike Church" in
Philadelphia's "University City" at a time of failing to remember where
it came from.
So, I am on my 3rd front wheel, appearing to me to be good or at least
almost-good for the Paris-Roubaix annual event (heavy impact by
cobblestones), which means likely-good-for-most-of the rough roads in the
USA "state" of PA even at racing and bicycle-messenger speeds.

Getting-back-on-track: I think I ride a tough bike!

--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, May 28 2010 8:08 pm
From: Michael Black


On Fri, 28 May 2010, Bob F wrote:

> I picked up a desktop Dell Inspiron Box yesterday at Goodwill for $15. No
> harddrive, but includes working power supply, motherboard, Q8200 quad core
> processor, 4 GB of memory and a DVD RW drive. I've been wanting to upgrade my
> PC.
>
I was thinking about buying an LCD monitor, thought maybe I'd see one this
year at a garage sale, since there's been enough penetration that I can
imagine people getting a smaller one with a computer, and selling it off
when they buy a larger monitor.

But when it was University Move Out Day at the beginning of May, I came
across a 17" LCD monitor lying on the sidewalk. I was really lucky,
because it had been raining, but the monitor was put out after
the rain, and I had gone back to check one more time, and the monitor
appeared between my two visits to that street.

I've been thinking it's time to buy a new used computer, the hand me
down I'm using was given to me five years ago. So I did buy that 80gig
hard drive at a garage sale a few weeks ago, for five dollars, in case
I find something without a drive. Of course, I'm kind of looking for a
cheap "new" computer that handles sata drives, since I pulled a 320gig
sata drive out of a satellite receiver I found last summer. I picked it
up, walked along a bit, thought of dumping it (I have no use for them,
other than parts, and they are pretty common) and then realised there
was a hard drive inside. So I opened it, took the drive out and dumped
the rest of the receiver.

I am wondering whether that large LCD tv set I saw lying on the sidewalk
a few weeks ago was bad, or just somebody abandoning it. It was too large
to carry home, certainly too large when I wasn't sure it was working.
There was another tv set with it, so that does make me wonder.

Michael

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