Frugal Living: May 21, 2008

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

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TOPIC: "U.S. court: currency discriminates against the blind"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cf6d639ed7f71ae9?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:10 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:26:43 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:xbudnbS0AYxGvKnVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> jd wrote:
>>> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind
>>> because blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are.
>>> This is another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be
>>> saying that Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind
>>> people can't operate motorcycles.
>>>
>>> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense
>>> isn't a requirement to go into law.
>>>
>>> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
>>> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
>>> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
>>> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
>>> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
>>> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
>>> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
>>> $10's.
>>>
>>> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
>>> they know what's in each pouch.
>>>
>> I wonder if the banks that issue cards are also in on this? They really
>> want to insert themselves into every transaction so they can collect their
>> tribute. So they are running these massive ad campaigns showing how nice
>> it is to buy your coffee, donut or whatever using their payment system and
>> offering all of these "reward" programs giving you a little cut of the fee
>> and percentage that is added to all transactions in order to make you
>> forget about cash.
>>
>> I can just imagine them stepping forward to proclaim that if everyone used
>> their cards and cash was eliminated it would "protect" those who couldn't
>> manage cash.
>>
>> Or it could be greedy lawyers moving wealth to themselves.
>
>
>the head of visa said that we'd be cashless by either 2010 or 2012.
>
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2012-says-visa-chief-439676.html
>
>at that point cc companies will collect a percentage from both the buyer and
>the seller.

The head of Visa is an opportunistic twit, and besides that, the
article refers to europe, not the U.S.

The mint has been behind the curve for years. The issue of lack of
kinesthetically identifying marks is not limited to blind people and
has been the bane of people handling cash for decades. When rushed,
and putting together straps of money, it isn't unusual for a bill or
two to get mixed into the wrong strap - a fiver in a 50 wrap of ones,
etc.

Just how hard is it to put an identifying dog ear on two opposing
corners of each bill? That way, a strap of singles would all have a
notch at one point, a fiver might have a two notches, or a squarish
shape instead of a triangle, or a curved cut off end instead of an
angular one, etc.. This isn't rocket science. As long as the cutouts
affected the ends of the notes instead of the long sides, most
existing equipment would handle the change without modification.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:44 am
From: sarge137

On May 21, 1:10 pm, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:26:43 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
>
>
>
>
>
> <der...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:xbudnbS0AYxGvKnVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> jd wrote:
> >>> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind
> >>> because blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are.
> >>> This is another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be
> >>> saying that Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind
> >>> people can't operate motorcycles.
>
> >>> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense
> >>> isn't a requirement to go into law.
>
> >>> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> >>> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
> >>> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> >>> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
> >>> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> >>> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
> >>> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> >>> $10's.
>
> >>> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
> >>> they know what's in each pouch.
>
> >> I wonder if the banks that issue cards are also in on this? They really
> >> want to insert themselves into every transaction so they can collect their
> >> tribute. So they are running these massive ad campaigns showing how nice
> >> it is to buy your coffee, donut or whatever using their payment system and
> >> offering all of these "reward" programs giving you a little cut of the fee
> >> and percentage that is added to all transactions in order to make you
> >> forget about cash.
>
> >> I can just imagine them stepping forward to proclaim that if everyone used
> >> their cards and cash was eliminated it would "protect" those who couldn't
> >> manage cash.
>
> >> Or it could be greedy lawyers moving wealth to themselves.
>
> >the head of visa said that we'd be cashless by either 2010 or 2012.
>
> >http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2...
>
> >at that point cc companies will collect a percentage from both the buyer and
> >the seller.
>
> The head of Visa is an opportunistic twit, and besides that, the
> article refers to europe, not the U.S.
>
> The mint has been behind the curve for years. The issue of lack of
> kinesthetically identifying marks is not limited to blind people and
> has been the bane of people handling cash for decades. When rushed,
> and putting together straps of money, it isn't unusual for a bill or
> two to get mixed into the wrong strap - a fiver in a 50 wrap of ones,
> etc.
>
> Just how hard is it to put an identifying dog ear on two opposing
> corners of each bill? That way, a strap of singles would all have a
> notch at one point, a fiver might have a two notches, or a squarish
> shape instead of a triangle, or a curved cut off end instead of an
> angular one, etc.. This isn't rocket science. As long as the cutouts
> affected the ends of the notes instead of the long sides, most
> existing equipment would handle the change without modification.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Uh oh. A logical and simple solution, that could be easily, cheaply,
and almost immediately implemented. You know that's never going to
fly!

I lived in Germany for almost ten years back in the pre-Euro days.
The denomations of the currency of pretty much every country I visited
during that period were of different sizes and colors. Now, I can see
how that would create all kinds of problems in a financial system
based on uniform bills like ours, but corner cuts on our existing
bills would to be the perfect solution.

Regards,
Sarge

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TOPIC: Ways to conserve energy & fuel
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4146c70c260ff87e?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:21 am
From: Joe

Some tips:

http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:05 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 21, 2:21 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some tips:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html

It does help to review these tips from time to time and tighten up
one's energy game
I disagree with selling the desktop in favor of a laptop for energy
savings. A desktop can be worked on and parts exchanged so much more
cheaply. I could not put up with a tiny laptop screen compared to the
big screen monitor. Also, I've never been a fan of spending money on a
Kill-A-Watt because I favor reading the face plates and knowing what
the power draw is. Then again, I have an amp meter I could use if I
had a question.
All suggestions need to be considered in the user's circumstance. An
expensive electric space heater is often more expensive than more
global heating with a cheap source of gas, if there is such a thing
these days.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:38 pm
From: Peter Franks

Joe wrote:
> Some tips:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html

"If you're going to spend $$ for coffee, spend it at a warm, lighted,
sit-down cafe where you will get:
free electricity for your laptop or for a charger
free warmth in winter, which is cheaper than heating your home
free napkins to use in the car or home "

Pure feel-good garbage.

NOTHING is conserved here, you are just transferring the direct costs of
these goods to the shop owner who then indirectly passes the costs back
to the consumer by way of higher prices.

If you are going to conserve, stop drinking coffee and don't go mooch
off of other people.

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TOPIC: Thoughts on SUV Purchase...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b131b24652af00b0?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:37 am
From: Seerialmom

On May 18, 4:33 am, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
> After years of fighting with the idea... My wife's 20 mile a day driving
> and habit of having 3-5 kids in the car at a time have pushed us towards
> owning a SUV of sorts...
>
> Considering the Toyota Highlander or Mitsubishi Outlander (both 2007 or
> 2008)
>
> Anyone own one? Thoughts?
>
> Anyone have tips on the best time to visit a dealership, etc?
>
> Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
> Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
> Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?http://tinyurl.com/hmzjhttp://tinyurl.com/5apkg

No one mentioned it so I will. Since your wife won't be driving all
that much and you will "sometimes" go to Home Depot with it, consider
an alternative to the SUV or even a minivan: a 4 door hatchback.
Listing a few that would be considerably cheaper (and can probably get
certified/preowned for even less):

Toyota Matrix 25city 31 hwy
Pontiac Vibe (same as above, just branded different) 25 city 31 hwy
Scion XB 26 city 31 hwy
PT Cruiser (dime a dozen these days) 19 city 25 hwy

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:12 pm
From: Jeff

Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:14:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
> Klipstein) wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>> One thing to keep in mind: A likely major repair item on older cars is
>> the air conditioning system. Failure of a critical part can accelerate
>> aging of a few others of this system.
>>
>> If your "personal business model" is to tolerate a "beater" car, please
>> figure into this "personal business model" tolerating a car that lacks
>> functioning air conditioning.
>>
>> Please keep in mind that a working air conditioning system is a major
>> part of defogging the windshield during those damp or rainy times when
>> humidity output of one human body can fog up the windshield 4-10 minutes
>> or whatever down the road.
>
> The a/c on my 2002 300M Special died in year four and the two Chrysler
> LHS I owned prior to this had their share of a/c problems as well
> (evaporators as I recall).

Oh man, that sounds like a nasty repair. Got to be hard to get at.

I suppose a lot can go wrong with ACs. GFs just went into instant death.
Turned out to be the clutch, which is a $100 part, new. I'll look to see
what the bone yard offers as that doesn't seem like a part that fails
often. Here in Atlanta, no AC is a big problem.

Jeff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 1:18 pm
From: Paul M. Eldridge

On Wed, 21 May 2008 15:12:44 -0400, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:

>Paul M. Eldridge wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 05:14:08 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
>> Klipstein) wrote:
>>
><snip>
>>>
>>> One thing to keep in mind: A likely major repair item on older cars is
>>> the air conditioning system. Failure of a critical part can accelerate
>>> aging of a few others of this system.
>>>
>>> If your "personal business model" is to tolerate a "beater" car, please
>>> figure into this "personal business model" tolerating a car that lacks
>>> functioning air conditioning.
>>>
>>> Please keep in mind that a working air conditioning system is a major
>>> part of defogging the windshield during those damp or rainy times when
>>> humidity output of one human body can fog up the windshield 4-10 minutes
>>> or whatever down the road.
>>
>> The a/c on my 2002 300M Special died in year four and the two Chrysler
>> LHS I owned prior to this had their share of a/c problems as well
>> (evaporators as I recall).
>
>
>Oh man, that sounds like a nasty repair. Got to be hard to get at.
>
>I suppose a lot can go wrong with ACs. GFs just went into instant death.
>Turned out to be the clutch, which is a $100 part, new. I'll look to see
>what the bone yard offers as that doesn't seem like a part that fails
>often. Here in Atlanta, no AC is a big problem.
>
> Jeff

Hi Jeff,

I was fortunate that my Chrysler dealer took care of the problems with
the two LHS at no charge -- one was covered under the standard
three-year warranty (just under the wire) and the other by an extended
warranty on this specific part. I haven't bothered to see what's
wrong this time -- if I were still living in Toronto it would have
been fixed pronto, but here on the east coast we don't put away our
scarves and mittens until late June, so it's not that big an issue.
:-)

Cheers,
Paul

P.S. Crude oil is up another $4.69 a barrel, currently standing at
$133.67.

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TOPIC: Currency for the Blind
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/22451e91d112bb3f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:52 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Cheapo Groovo wrote:
> This is an excellent report discussing Currency Features for Visually
> Impaired People

Who needs currency with this age of debit and credit cards?
These days even the upscale hookers and drug dealers take
credit cards.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Equipment for sale RIPOFF ALERT!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/50b09e9a8e2b1959?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:56 am
From: Danny T

On May 21, 12:22 pm, p...@nospam.net wrote:
> Much as I hate to decend to the level of this impersonater of Bob
> Morein, on Buzzard news. The items are indeed for sale and can be
> viewed on my websitehttp://glitchless.net/studio.html
> The mic in question is of course not new so who cares that they no
> longer manufacture it. I'm not a store. I'm a studio owner with some
> gear to sell off I rarely use.
>
> On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:31 +1000, Soundhaspriority
>
> <moreinweb...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >In article l5v634dophggqgcialfa427fneuie85...@4ax.com, "p...@nospam.net"
> ><p...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >> Mics
>
> >> * AKG 1200e's no longer manufactured.
>
> >> contact paul at glitchless dot net
>
> >RIPOFF ALERT!
>
> >Bob Morein
> >(310) 237-6511

Just a thought .... Your site looks nice but your rate of $50 an hour
or $500 for a 10 hour day is kind of funny. The point of a block rate
is to save a few bucks. There is no incentive to buy a blocked out day
with your rates.......... Just my 2 cents.......

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TOPIC: Rental Car Using Prepaid Visa ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7770c335e002760e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 1:06 pm
From: mmcewen@webtv.net (Chris Mc 3)

Going on vacation next week (Denver via Amtrack) and am considering
renting a car for just a day or two while there, to visit some friends
on the outskirts, check out the mountains etc.

Problem is I dont have a credit card, and I really dont want (wouldnt
use) one for any other reason, as my bank card has always been
sufficient and it does have the Visa logo which means I can buy stuff
online or at most stores, provided I have the available funds, which is
the way I prefer it anyway, but (from what I understand) in order to
rent a car you need a regular, major credit card. (?)

I have known for awhile that you can get one through Western Union, and
I see them advertised all over the place, Rite Aid, Costco etc, and at
first glance (at least to me) doesnt seem like you can tell any
difference between one of those (prepaid) and a 'Bank Issued' card.

My question...Is it possible to use a prepaid card to rent a car ? I
have a friend who says he just did it last month, and of course they
(rental company) put a $500 lien against his card (which he made sure
was in there) plus the rental fees etc, but I made a few phone calls to
some of the major Rental Car places and they said NO WAY...The machine
can tell when they scan card through it that its not a 'Real' credit
card.

I know another person who (says) purchased one (prepaid visa) from
Target and didnt find out till he got out on the road (he was on
vacation) that he could not withdrew cash, only purchase goods &
services.

SOooo...(1) Have any of you had success renting a car with a pre-paid
card ? (2) What might be the best rental company to go with, that allows
pre-paid ? (3) Are all the pre-paids basically the same, or what would
you recommend ?

An help/advice will be most appreciated.

Feel free to e-mail me directly if you wish.

Thanks in advance.

Chris Mc 3

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 1:35 pm
From: William Souden

Chris Mc 3 wrote:
> Going on vacation next week (Denver via Amtrack) and am considering
> renting a car for just a day or two while there, to visit some friends
> on the outskirts, check out the mountains etc.
>
> Problem is I dont have a credit card, and I really dont want (wouldnt
> use) one for any other reason, as my bank card has always been
> sufficient and it does have the Visa logo which means I can buy stuff
> online or at most stores, provided I have the available funds, which is
> the way I prefer it anyway, but (from what I understand) in order to
> rent a car you need a regular, major credit card. (?)
>
> I have known for awhile that you can get one through Western Union, and
> I see them advertised all over the place, Rite Aid, Costco etc, and at
> first glance (at least to me) doesnt seem like you can tell any
> difference between one of those (prepaid) and a 'Bank Issued' card.
>
> My question...Is it possible to use a prepaid card to rent a car ? I
> have a friend who says he just did it last month, and of course they
> (rental company) put a $500 lien against his card (which he made sure
> was in there) plus the rental fees etc, but I made a few phone calls to
> some of the major Rental Car places and they said NO WAY...The machine
> can tell when they scan card through it that its not a 'Real' credit
> card.
>
> I know another person who (says) purchased one (prepaid visa) from
> Target and didnt find out till he got out on the road (he was on
> vacation) that he could not withdrew cash, only purchase goods &
> services.
>
> SOooo...(1) Have any of you had success renting a car with a pre-paid
> card ? (2) What might be the best rental company to go with, that allows
> pre-paid ? (3) Are all the pre-paids basically the same, or what would
> you recommend ?
>
> An help/advice will be most appreciated.
>
> Feel free to e-mail me directly if you wish.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Chris Mc 3
>

I have used a debit card many times to rent cars. Just call ahead of
time. The Western union type can not be used.
Keep in mind that with a debit card they will pull out the full cost
and maybe more at the time of rental and it may take a few days after
the return to get any money that is due.

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TOPIC: Frugal travel JFK to midtown Manhattan
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/65edc10560269528?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 1:44 pm
From: William Souden

I just returned from a trip to NYC and to took the train connection
to midtown. While not recommended for those with many bags or mobility
problems it worked for me:

Air Train to Jamaica-$5
Long Island Railroad to Penn Station-$7.25 (cheaper off-peak. a two
minute walk)

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TOPIC: I CONVERTED MY CAR TO A HYBRID FOR ABOUT $150
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/65def4ee10cc9011?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 1:52 pm
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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 2:14 pm
From: William Souden

I was skeptical about the claims as well as giving my credit card to
a site that has nor contact details but after seeing a testimonial from
"Kara S." I was convinced.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 2:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On May 21, 2:14 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I was skeptical about the claims as well as giving my credit card to
> a site that has nor contact details but after seeing a testimonial from
> "Kara S." I was convinced.

But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
car:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/19/davis.solar.car.ktvb?iref=videosearch

BTW there "may" be a brief commercial first, that's how CNN is of
course.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:47 pm
From: "Lou"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...

>But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
>Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
>get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
>car:
>
>http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/19/davis.solar.car.ktvb?iref=vi
deosearch
>
>BTW there "may" be a brief commercial first, that's how CNN is of
>course.

Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff like, how
much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny day, what's the range
at night, how long does it take to recharge using solar alone, how long to
recharge from the plug?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:52 pm
From: Seerialmom

On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
> >Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
> >get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
> >car:
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/19/davis.solar.car.ktvb?i...
> deosearch
>
> >BTW there "may" be a brief commercial first, that's how CNN is of
> >course.
>
> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff like, how
> much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny day, what's the range
> at night, how long does it take to recharge using solar alone, how long to
> recharge from the plug?

I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D

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TOPIC: Camcorder Hard Drive - Find Tips - SALES on Camcorders all Brand Names
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/821287311dc14324?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 2:08 pm
From: "Bill's News"

"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley@xp7rt.net> wrote in message
news:69hmrkF336savU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Bill's News" wrote ...
>> The version of OE (6.00.2900.5512) used here seems to provide
>> for such filtering and way more. Which version are you
>> using,
>> Richard?
>
> My office machine here is using 6.00.2900.2180 (SP2)
> I'll have to check which version I'm using at home.
> So what exactly is the mechanism?
>
> 2180 won't block arbitrary email addresses
> It also won't block wild-card email addresses
> It also doesn't provide for filtering on most
> header info.
>

You're certainly right in those complaints, however, you replied
to a suggestion to "filter all google groups" that "there is no
practical way to do that with OE."

The OE news filter "where from line contains people" can include
just the source ISP address and its prefixed @, which traps all
messages from that source. The action chosen can then be
"delete" or "mark as read" whichever you prefer. As debated in
this thread, the delete method sacrifices reception of
non-spammer messages as well - however, if you choose "mark as
read," at least those un-highlighted messages which elicit a
Usenet response are then within your focus. Having found a
blocked group poster who you've enjoyed reading, you could then
add an OE filter to accept his/her posts BEFORE applying the
kill all filter. I'm not aware of a limit to the number of
specific addresses allowed in a filter, though I'm sure there is
one. I have well over a hundred folder routed addresses in my
e-mail filters. I also use these filters to color code certain
senders and sources.

It would be great if OE would automate the content scans,
however, infrequent newsgroup visitors might find it convenient
to do manual scans for chosen criteria before beginning to read.

Sadly, OE is dead with the arrival of MS' new OS. Perhaps some
of these desirable filters will find their way in to the new
reader, should vista EVER become worthy. Perhaps one or more of
those good programmers who've written OE add-on code would
consider expanding its filters to include a solution to your
reasonable complaints.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 2:13 pm
From: The Real Bev

clams_casino wrote:

> srini wrote:
>
>>start your own home bussines
>
> Do you include a spell checker with your business plans?

For a while I'm going to send crap like this (with full headers, of
course) to groups-abuse@google.com. So far every single piece of spam
I've seen today has been from googlegroups.

If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.

--
Cheers. Bev
==========================================================
It's not true that Lucas, in 1947, tried to get Parliament
to repeal Ohm's Law. They withdrew their efforts when they
met too much resistance.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 3:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> clams_casino wrote
>> srini wrote

>>> start your own home bussines

>> Do you include a spell checker with your business plans?

> For a while I'm going to send crap like this (with full headers, of course) to groups-abuse@google.com. So far every
> single piece of spam I've seen today has been from googlegroups.

> If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.

Unlikely.

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TOPIC: ANIMAL CRUELITY: Puppy tries to paw and lick his way out of tiny cage,
looks very desperate. :\
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:03 am
From: ultimauw@excite.com (Adolphus Ambiguous)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eXIq14NIZA&feature=related

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TOPIC: Charter's plan to tamper with user's web traffic and read the actual
data in the packets, and on top of this playing [W][O][R][D][G][A][M][E][S] by
calling this an enhanced user experience!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:10 am
From: ultimauw@excite.com (Adolphus Ambiguous)

(If Charter and the rest want to "enhance my experience" how about
KEEPING YOUR FUCKING MITTS OFF OF MY DATA! What a concept!)

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256

Charter Is Latest ISP To Plan Wiretapping Via DPI
Posted by kdawson on Tuesday May 13, @02:42PM
from the bad-phorm dept.
Privacy The Internet
Charter Communications has begun sending letters to its customers
informing them that, in the name of an "enhanced user experience," it
will begin spying on their traffic and inserting targeted ads. This
sounds almost indistinguishable from what Phorm proposed doing in the
UK. Lauren Weinstein issues a call to arms.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/13/1832256

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TOPIC: Earn $1000 To $10000 Per Week No Investment
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:08 pm
From: rethzvsuue@gmail.com

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TOPIC: Let's blessing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 5:51 pm
From: chinagood018@yahoo.cn

Love without frontiers

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TOPIC: learn chinese kung fu is so easy!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:01 am
From: yingyu1107@gmail.com

Learn chinese kung fu is so easy! click :www.kungfuer.com/
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the practical people injured and maimed combative techniques. Routine
movement despite contains rich combative approach, but its purpose is
to drill through to the physical and businessmen offensive and
defensive capacity, ability and skills contest, the technical
requirements and practical techniques to a certain extent of the
difference between the movement Sanshou technology is of course much
closer to the South practical skills, but because of the competition
rules, also has its limitations in the sports movement within the
technology. In short in a nutshell, martial arts sports properties
with a clear, and sports is the main social philosophy and martial
arts, medicine, ethics, military studies, aesthetic, Qigong and other
traditional culture of thinking and cultural values, focus on
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arts and cultural system. It has rich connotations and suggest a deep,
we have the human sports physical fitness a common feature, but also
has the unique oriental civilization philosophical, scientific and
artistic, more concentrated expression of the Chinese people in sports
wisdom in the field of crystallization. It reflects one aspect of the
cultural splendor of the Orient. Therefore, in a broad sense,
understanding, Wushu is not only a sport, and is a national sports and
the Chinese people's long-term accumulated to a valuable cultural
heritage.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:38 am
From: Soundhaspriority

In article l5v634dophggqgcialfa427fneuie85b77@4ax.com, "paul@nospam.net"
<paul@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> Mics
>
> * AKG 1200e's no longer manufactured.
>
> contact paul at glitchless dot net

RIPOFF ALERT!

Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 10:22 am
From: paul@nospam.net

Much as I hate to decend to the level of this impersonater of Bob
Morein, on Buzzard news. The items are indeed for sale and can be
viewed on my website

http://glitchless.net/studio.html
The mic in question is of course not new so who cares that they no
longer manufacture it. I'm not a store. I'm a studio owner with some
gear to sell off I rarely use.

On Wed, 21 May 2008 17:38:31 +1000, Soundhaspriority
<moreinwebreg@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article l5v634dophggqgcialfa427fneuie85b77@4ax.com, "paul@nospam.net"
><paul@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Mics
>>
>> * AKG 1200e's no longer manufactured.
>>
>> contact paul at glitchless dot net
>
>RIPOFF ALERT!
>
>
>Bob Morein
>(310) 237-6511

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TOPIC: Paper flowers videos download
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:59 am
From: Annette

Hello,

A friend has made it possible for me to obtain all the videos on this
website http://www.qyf.com.cn/soft/ that is a business that teaches
flower making. In China it is an A-R-T! I have been able to make
flowers that are just awesome. We cannot post these to the web. They
can only be downloaded and shared with friends. If there are many of
you who would want to have a small paper arts group that enjoyed
sharing the results of this paper craft, email me about that, and if
we have enough people, let's start one.

Also, check out this website, if you are not aware of it already.
www.mommymakesroses.com

I love making my flowers out of the paper
that she uses.

Annette

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TOPIC: Sony HC5E low frame rate in low light
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 3:30 am
From: D

Hello!
Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
always fluid.
Best regards,
Dima

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 4:54 am
From: ransley

On May 21, 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
> Hello!
> Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
> by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
> 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
> always fluid.
> Best regards,
> Dima

Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a low
light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 5:02 am
From: D

On May 21, 3:54 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > Hello!
> > Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
> > by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
> > 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
> > always fluid.
> > Best regards,
> > Dima
>
> Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a low
> light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen
Thanks for replying!
No, it's not the low light mode. I do not enable it and it is not
indicated on the screen.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:18 am
From: ransley

On May 21, 7:02 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
> On May 21, 3:54 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 21, 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > > Hello!
> > > Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
> > > by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
> > > 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
> > > always fluid.
> > > Best regards,
> > > Dima
>
> > Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a low
> > light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen
>
> Thanks for replying!
> No, it's not the low light mode. I do not enable it and it is not
> indicated on the screen.

You said panoramic is that a special wide mode, if its new take it
back, sony manuals are junk, and I found options even Sony support did
not even know that are not in my manual, that I could shoot stills
while taking video on an old unit. They have so much new stuff out its
hard to know all the operating parameters on every model. Keep looking
you will figure it out, but color slow shutter may be automatic and
its on with Night Shot on mine

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TOPIC: Prison Inmate Day
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 5:22 am
From: "CWISF.com"

Hello,

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In order to raise money, we have an online shopping mall linked to
secure web sites.

If you are an online shopper, we welcome your business, or if you know
of any one that shops on line please refer them to this shopping mall
at www.cwisf.com

or www.takevows.com

www.tauomegaalpha.com

or
www.prisioininmateday.com they are all one site.

Our prison inmates need your encouragement and understanding. On
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that day, we lit candles to pray for all our children with hope that
they stay out of trouble and out of prison, and for our prison inmates
not to return to prison.

Thank You

Pamela Peters, Founder

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 6:22 am
From: George

jd wrote:
> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind because
> blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. This is
> another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be saying that
> Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't
> operate motorcycles.
>
> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense isn't
> a requirement to go into law.
>
> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> $10's.
>
> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
> they know what's in each pouch.
>
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I wonder if the banks that issue cards are also in on this? They really
want to insert themselves into every transaction so they can collect
their tribute. So they are running these massive ad campaigns showing
how nice it is to buy your coffee, donut or whatever using their payment
system and offering all of these "reward" programs giving you a little
cut of the fee and percentage that is added to all transactions in order
to make you forget about cash.

I can just imagine them stepping forward to proclaim that if everyone
used their cards and cash was eliminated it would "protect" those who
couldn't manage cash.

Or it could be greedy lawyers moving wealth to themselves.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 6:26 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:xbudnbS0AYxGvKnVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
> jd wrote:
>> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind
>> because blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are.
>> This is another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be
>> saying that Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind
>> people can't operate motorcycles.
>>
>> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense
>> isn't a requirement to go into law.
>>
>> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
>> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
>> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
>> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
>> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
>> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
>> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
>> $10's.
>>
>> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
>> they know what's in each pouch.
>>
> I wonder if the banks that issue cards are also in on this? They really
> want to insert themselves into every transaction so they can collect their
> tribute. So they are running these massive ad campaigns showing how nice
> it is to buy your coffee, donut or whatever using their payment system and
> offering all of these "reward" programs giving you a little cut of the fee
> and percentage that is added to all transactions in order to make you
> forget about cash.
>
> I can just imagine them stepping forward to proclaim that if everyone used
> their cards and cash was eliminated it would "protect" those who couldn't
> manage cash.
>
> Or it could be greedy lawyers moving wealth to themselves.

the head of visa said that we'd be cashless by either 2010 or 2012.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2012-says-visa-chief-439676.html

at that point cc companies will collect a percentage from both the buyer and
the seller.

----------------------
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 12:10 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 21 May 2008 13:26:43 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

The head of Visa is an opportunistic twit, and besides that, the
article refers to europe, not the U.S.

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TOPIC: Hand in hand with a total of tiding over the difficult times
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 6:25 am
From: chinagood010@yahoo.cn

Chuan Wenchuan four deep condolences over the earthquake victims
compatriots WWW.SNEAKER-OUTLET .CN

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:00 am
From: srini

start your own home bussines
www.thegoodthingss.blogspot.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:30 am
From: clams_casino

srini wrote:

>start your own home bussines
>
>

Do you include a spell checker with your business plans?

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TOPIC: where to get cheap ed hardy tshirt,ed hardy hoodies and CHRISTIAN
AUDIGIER t and cheap jeans
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:18 am
From: bapedirect01@gmail.com

i want to share my supplier to everyone.the website is http://www.bapedirect.com
i bought lots of stuff each month from it.

i found so many brand there,like bape,bbc,lacoste,polo,ed hardy,CA,red
monkey,nike air force one,nike jordans,ice cream,adidas,A&F,TRUE
RELIGION,Prada,Gino Green Global,Coogi,NY caps,ARTFUL DODGER and so
on,it make me fantastic!!!

its good seller.and thousands of brand clothes,footwear,handbags
there!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:20 am
From: bapedirect01@gmail.com

i want to share my supplier to everyone.the website is http://www.bapedirect.com
i bought lots of stuff each month from it.

its good seller.and thousands of brand clothes,footwear,handbags
there!!

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:36 am
From: clams_casino

bapedirect01@gmail.com wrote:

>i want to share my supplier to everyone.
>

Cool. Do you provide yourself with a discount when you buy off your own
site?

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TOPIC: Indian Recipes Paradise
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:26 am
From: webmaster@indianonlinerecipes.com

Search through our massive collection of authentic Indian Recipes
from
every part of India and from around the world. You no need to be a
chef to start indian cooking.

for more log on to www.indianonlinerecipes.com

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TOPIC: Minimum 1600$ Every Time You Do It!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:39 am
From: Sara Brown

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:40 am
From: Sara Brown

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:58 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

The USA is way behind the rest of the globe - but that is true in high
speed rail, alternative fuels, and infrastructure

This is an excellent report discussing Currency Features for Visually
Impaired People
http://books.nap.edu/html/currency/appendixd.html

http://www.cheapogroovo.com

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TOPIC: ero magazines
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:17 am
From: yura

http://ero-mag.net

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 10:22 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On May 20, 6:21 pm, Cheapo Groovo <c...@nospam.com> wrote:
> In article <6c5f6d1f-d1fe-4e2c-805e-690c36da81b3
> @l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, r...@shell.core.com says...> On May 18, 12:34 pm, "Joe" <really-faked-but-wo...@yunx.com> wrote:
>
> > > I wish we could go that direction... But the wife is set on a non-minivan
> > > so you know how that goes...
>
> > The Hybrid Highlander would be the safest option, but if you are
> > looking at cost, look at the Kia Rondo or Mazda5.
>
> > --
> > Ron
>
> Buy a bike instead

You seem to have forgotten that the OP said his wife would be hauling
3-5 kids around in the SUV.

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TOPIC: Inexpensive car radio?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 7:09 pm
From: Sofa Slug

Ken wrote:
> Where'a a good, preferably local, place to buy a very basic reliable
> generic radio for a 20-year-old pickup? Just the AM/FM with a couple of
> station buttons. No CD, tape, high power, GPS, fancy displays, quad
> sound, etc. needed. Chinese junk or good stuff?
>
> Radio Shack, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, ... Who?
>
> TIA
>
> Ken
>

Why not get the original radio that came with your truck? It's likely
that you can find one on Ebay or at a wrecking yard, and you know it's
going to fit. Another plus is that thieves generally ignore stock AM/FM
radios. The tape deck (if it has one) may or may not work, but that's
apparently not an issue.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 7:28 pm
From: jd

> Without commenting on the merits or otherwise of the ruling, under
> your scenario an unscrupulous bank teller could count out bills of any
> denomination regardless of what the recipient asked for, and there'd
> be no way for a blind person to tell.

They could have the bank manager and the clerk both count out the money.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 8:39 pm
From:

In article <Xns9AA4B28B7F129nooneyodoorbiz@38.119.97.3>,
noone@yodoor.biz says...

> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank.

And since all bank tellers are saints, blind people can always rely on
actually receiving a fat stack of $5s, no $1 bills substituted to pay
for the teller's lunch.

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josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
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TOPIC: Installing porcelain tile?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/28e584a9c5c670be?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, May 20 2008 7:28 pm
From: cdmariscal@gmail.com

Hello Everyone

I have a question i'm hoping you all can help me with. i have a large
terrace/pool area which is about 2000 sf. right now, i have about 20
year old porcelain tile on there. it was well put and it has not
cracked but it's just old and ugly. we've tried cleaning it and
sealing it, but it's just really ugly, old and grey. so we've been
shopping around the last few months and found a great deal on about
2500 sf of new outdoor non-slip 18x18 solid porcelain tile. it's
regularly priced at $3 a foot, but they are going of business and will
sell me their last 2500 sf for $1 a foot. so now my issue is, how to
install? i can't do it myself bc i'm 5 months pregnant but i'm
shopping around for good installers. i've had about 5 installers come
out and everyone gives me a different opinion:

1) first guy said he's lay it right on top of the current tile w
"multi bond" and it would be just fine.
2) guy # 2 said we had to pull out all of the old tile that is there
now bc the new tile will just come off in a few months or in a year if
you lay it right on top of what is there. he says there is no way
porcelain tile will absorb any thin set or bonding and that it will
just start coming off, especially since it's outside and with the
change in weather. i live in north florida, and it gets really hot,
and in the winter it gets cold.
3) guy #3 said he would simple scratch it up with some tool so that it
will absorb. no need to pull it all off. it's hard messy job to pull
everything out and they want to do that just to charge more. he just
scratches the bottom tile up really good and puts plenty of bonding
and thin set on it and it should last another 20 years.
4) 4th guy said he uses this special new material called "PORCELAIN
SET" and it the best. it's $14 a bag but this stuff will bond
porcelain better than anything else, no need to scratch anything.
before you think he wants to scam me, he doesn't sell it. they
actually sell it in the store where i bought the tile. he says most
folks just want to buy the regular multibond product they sell in home
depot that's $6 a bag. but he says that he's noticed that this
particular product that they sell in the specialty floor stores works
really well.
5) last guy said the PORCELAIN SET stuff is just an excuse for you to
pay more $ for bonding. he insists that regular multipurpose thin set
and bonding will be just fine. he says it all depends on what is
there now. since what is there now is in good shape and is not
cracking or coming up, then laying new tile on top should be no
problem. If we scratch it up and put in regular thin set and bonding,
we should be just fine for at least another 12-14 years.

So you see, i've gotten a different story from everyone. they all add
on another $1 a foot for pulling it out and charge about $1.50 to
$1.75 to install it. so if i can save 2K and not have to pull it out,
that would be the best. i need to find a good contractor at a decent
price and w the construction business the way it is in Florida, i
think i can find one at a good price since it's a big job and there's
just not as much construction work out there as there used to be. i
just want to know what you all think is the safest way to go. this is
a big investment and i want it to last me a long time. i don't want it
falling apart in a year. but on the other hard, i don't want to go
crazy and pull out 2000 sf of tile when it's possible there are
alternatives.

any ideas? thanks very much!!

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TOPIC: What's the best purchase you've ever made and why ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/328770064cd1ad52?hl=en
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FrediFizzx wrote:
> Al, I think you need to stay away from cars before your luck runs out. ;-)
>
> Fred
>
> "Al E. Crocodile" <Al@CrocsBiteaHillBillyToday.com> wrote in message
> news:9u-dnRzjn9wQ57PVnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@comcast.com...
>> bought my daughter a car for $5700, she totaled it in 6 months and the
>> insurance paid me $7400 for it,
>>
>> that's a 30% annual return,
>>
>> so I bought her 6 more
>>
>>
>> bought myself a car, 2005, for $12k last august, somebody totaled me 7
>> months later, he had no insurance,I had put 10K miles on the car and
>> they paid me $12500 for it,
>> plus $12,000 for pain and suffering, found the same model in a 2007
>> with many more options and 13,000 less miles for the same amount
>> as the 1st car, they also paid $500 for a rental car and $5000 for
>> doctor bills,$1000 for 3 days missed work
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Joe" <cyan999@post.com> wrote in message
>> news:8f2702cc-afb9-4964-bf0d-8425adb35b82@1g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Exlcuding anything to do with admirable things like making a
>>> charitable donation and / or paying for education (be it yours or
>>> someone elses), what so far is
>>> the best purchase you've ever made and please elaborate on why you
>>> think so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Hell you should make it a business I know a couple Russians and
Dr.Lovebucks who need a front man. <s>

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From: "Richard Crowley"

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TOPIC: shopping online-handbag!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/782378dd1d1e99b6?hl=en
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