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* Do you know what would happen if you gave a bunch of bananas to a bunch of
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* Some benefits after returning to U.S.A - 14 messages, 12 authors
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* Do Dems pander to open borders, pro-illegal Hispanics and piss off rest of
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* Doctor getting kickbacks? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Anyone else joining "Toyota Anonymous"? - 3 messages, 1 author
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* Why I didn't buy TurboTax AGAIN this year - 2 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Do you know what would happen if you gave a bunch of bananas to a bunch
of monkeys?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 14 2010 11:06 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
No, I don't know either, but we can make some educated guesses by
looking at their closest cousins --us.
What will happen is that some monkeys will try to eat more bananas --
the lion's share-- while others go hungry. Some call it "human
nature," but I bet monkeys act like that too.
So, say we have 10 bananas for 10 monkeys. Someone will eat 4, another
2, and so on. If they eat 1 banana each, they would be socialist. But
if they don't, they would be Republican.
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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"Monkeys and humans are such funny animals"
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
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TOPIC: Some benefits after returning to U.S.A
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 1:34 am
From: "john north"
An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
him to survive on.
He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept this
reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
since he would have no income to survive on there.
Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the state
will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
american citizen.
Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
Thanks.
== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 3:35 am
From: Jay Hanig
On 4/15/2010 4:34 AM, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
> him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept this
> reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
> contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
> since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the state
> will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
> have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
> how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
> american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> Thanks.
I would assume he went to Japan to earn more money than he could have
earned in America. He worked out there his entire adult life and never
gave any thought to retirement? Now he wants us to tote the bill?
I resent him putting his hand out. He could have saved some of his
considerable income, or he could have potentially earned less while
participating in the various retirement plans of American companies
along with the government run Social Security. Now he wants me to help
support him through my taxes? He's got some nerve.
BTW, it's considered respectful to refer to Americans as "Americans"
with a capital "A", just as we would refer to the citizens of Japan as
"Japanese" with a capital "J".
Jay
== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 5:19 am
From: "dadiOH"
john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working
> nearly all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be
> allowed to continue working at his present company in Japan if they
> pay him less than half of what he is currently earning. That reduced
> money would be a big struggle for him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to
> accept this reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but
> since he did not contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this
> would not be possible since he would have no income to survive on
> there.
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the
> state will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances.
> But do not have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the
> U.S.A or in fact how to find out exactly what benefits might be
> available for a returning american citizen.
Google it.
_____________
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working
> outside of the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would
> be grateful to learn of what his circumstances would likely be,
> income wise in terms of basic benefits; if he just took the plunge
> and returned to his homeland. Thanks.
If he saved his money and made wise investments he can live off them; if
not, he can work and contribute to social security. The amount he will
receive from social security is based on lifetime earnings, highest
earnings, et al so he wouldn't get much unless he worked and contributed to
SS over a number of years.
He could also hold up a sign saying, "Will work for food". Best he stay in
Japan.
--
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== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:00 am
From: richard
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:34:29 +0100, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
> him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept this
> reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
> contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
> since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the state
> will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
> have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
> how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
> american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> Thanks.
Plenty of people have done the same thing.
If he is expecting the US government to help him out because he is broke,
forget it. Ain't gonna happen.
If his job is available in the USA, what's stopping him from working there?
My father retired from his previous job of 33 years. Did that stop him any?
Hell no. Even though he could have sat around the house doing nothing all
day, he went to work as a consultant for another 15 years.
I'm nearly 60 now. Retired from trucking a few years ago. I have my plans
of going to school to learn something new. No reason why your friend can't
go back to school for another career.
== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:02 am
From: Dan C
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:34:29 +0100, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working
> nearly all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed
> to continue working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less
> than half of what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a
> big struggle for him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept
> this reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did
> not contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be
> possible since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the
> state will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances.
> But do not have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the
> U.S.A or in fact how to find out exactly what benefits might be
> available for a returning american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside
> of the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful
> to learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms
> of basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his
> homeland. Thanks.
Tell him to fuck off and stay in Japan.
Then you fuck off as well.
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== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:24 am
From: "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
In 24hoursupport.helpdesk, richard wrote:
> My father retired from his previous job of 33 years. Did that stop him
> any? Hell no. Even though he could have sat around the house doing
> nothing all day, he went to work as a consultant for another 15
> years.
Your father had gumption, was a smart man. He also invested wisely.
> I'm nearly 60 now. Retired from trucking a few years ago.
You didn't retire, you quit when your successful father died and left
you a sizable seven-figure inheritance. This is not private information;
you said so yourself on your web site.
When you run low of cash, "All I have to do is phone the attorney and
have more money sent to my bank account."
> I have my plans of going to school to learn something new. ...
What? There's a school for "mall cop?"
--
-bts
-Four wheels carry the body; two wheels move the soul
== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:29 am
From: freeisbest
On Apr 15, 4:34 am, "john north" <bluesta...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
> him to survive on.
-SNIP-
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his
homeland.
> Thanks.
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Your friend might want to think about retirement by assessing his
real assets: health, time, friends, relatives, possessions, marketable
skills. You say he earned enough to live in Japan during the boom
years, which suggests a very large income by U.S. standards. He is
well ahead of the game if his job will continue, even at reduced pay.
Unless he has very unusual skills, the U.S. job market is a guarantee
of greater poverty than he's facing in Japan. That said, I do
understand from personal experience that one can simply reach the end
of one's working life.
Imho the most important questions are where he was living all
this time, whether he speaks the language fluently, whether he is in
comfortably conversant with Japanese life, wether he has Japanese
friends and family. Is he in Tokyo, where it takes a rich man to live
a middle-class life. If so, does he own his apartment. Is he in a
town/village somewhere, living in his own house with his Japanese wife
and children. Does he have any investments anywhere in the U.S.
If he didn't contribute to U.S. pension funds, I suspect he
hasn't read the simple requirements for collecting the American old-
age pension.
I'm sorry those questions are not as helpful as you hoped for, but
here's a start:
----------------------------------------------------
http://www.ssa.gov/retire2/international.htm
HOW INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS CAN HELP YOU
If you are among the growing number of Americans who spend part of
their career working outside the U.S., you may wonder what effect this
will have on your Social Security taxes and benefits. Fortunately, the
United States has concluded Social Security agreements with a number
of other countries that help you avoid double taxation while working
abroad and also help protect your future benefit rights.
Your work overseas may help you to qualify for U.S. benefits if it
was covered under a foreign Social Security system.
One of the main purposes of the international agreements is to
help people who have worked in both the United States and the other
country, but who have not worked long enough in one country or the
other to qualify for Social Security benefits. Under the agreement, we
can count your work credits in the other country if this will help you
qualify for U.S. benefits. However, if you already have enough credit
under U.S. Social Security to qualify for a benefit, we will not count
your credits in the other country.
If we have to count your foreign work credits, you will receive a
partial U.S. benefit that is related to the length of time you worked
under U.S. Social Security. Although we may count your work credits in
the other country, your credits are not actually transferred from that
country to the United States. They remain on your record in the other
country. It is therefore possible for you to qualify for a separate
benefit payment from both countries.
For more information about the agreements, including details about
specific agreements in force, read www.socialsecurity.gov/international/totalization_agreements.html.
If you will receive a pension from a foreign government based on
your work, the amount of your Social Security benefit may be affected
by the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP).
Agreement Country
Nov. 1, 1978 Japan
For more information about other agreements, read How International
Agreements Can Help You.
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== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 6:57 am
From: High Miles <2blues1723@comcast.net>
On 4/15/2010 3:34 AM, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
> him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept this
> reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
> contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
> since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the state
> will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
> have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
> how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
> american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> Thanks.
>
ZIP
If he didn't pay in to Social Security or a private retirement plan, he
will basically be left
to rot, or try to get on some state welfare role.
He would be well advised to compare the lenience and generosity of the
various state plans
to see exactly how dreadful his existence might be here.
== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:00 am
From: freeisbest
On Apr 15, 9:57 am, High Miles <2blues1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On 4/15/2010 3:34 AM, john north wrote:
-snip-
> > Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> > the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> > learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in
terms of
> > basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> > Thanks.
>
> ZIP
> If he didn't pay in to Social Security or a private retirement plan, he
> will basically be left
> to rot, or try to get on some state welfare role.
> He would be well advised to compare the lenience and generosity of the
> various state plans
> to see exactly how dreadful his existence might be here.
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That too.
== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:39 am
From: "Lawrence Akutagawa"
"john north" <bluestarxy@mail.invalid> wrote in message
news:hq6j3o$ci0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working
> nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to
> continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle
> for
> him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept
> this
> reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
> contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
> since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the
> state
> will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
> have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
> how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
> american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside
> of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> Thanks.
> .
Now here's an example of real life decisions having real life consequences.
The "state" here in the United States is us, the American taxpayer and the
American voter. Exactly what is the rationale of this friend of yours that
he be treated differently than the rest of us?
== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:55 am
From: �b�b�b�
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:34:29 +0100, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working
> nearly all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed
> to continue working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less
> than half of what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a
> big struggle for him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept
> this reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did
> not contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be
> possible since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the
> state will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances.
> But do not have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the
> U.S.A or in fact how to find out exactly what benefits might be
> available for a returning american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside
> of the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful
> to learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms
> of basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his
> homeland. Thanks.
he can fly to europe and drown himself in the bosphorus! OMG :P yeah i
said it
== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 8:14 am
From: Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley
The politically-inspired responses from the ignorant denizens of this
newsgroup are probaly incorrect. The US and Japan do indeed have a
"Totalization Agreement" which might enable him to get *some*
benefits. For details see:
http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/japan.html
"Agreements to coordinate Social Security protection across national
boundaries have been common in Western Europe for decades. Following
is a list of the agreements the United States has concluded and the
date of the entry into force of each. Some of these agreements were
subsequently revised; the date shown is the date the original
agreement entered into force."
Italy November 1, 1978
Germany December 1, 1979
Switzerland November 1, 1980
Belgium July 1, 1984
Norway July 1, 1984
Canada August 1, 1984
United Kingdom January 1, 1985
Sweden January 1, 1987
Spain April 1, 1988
France July 1, 1988
Portugal August 1, 1989
Netherlands November 1, 1990
Austria November 1, 1991
Finland November 1, 1992
Ireland September 1, 1993
Luxembourg November 1, 1993
Greece September 1, 1994
South Korea April 1, 2001
Chile December 1, 2001
Australia October 1, 2002
Japan October 1, 2005
Denmark October 1, 2008
Czech Republic January 1, 2009
Poland March 1, 2009
== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:06 am
From: "Lawrence Akutagawa"
"Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley" <cowartmisc1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bda72ffa-0fd3-4734-864b-c7903dcbdce2@5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> The politically-inspired responses from the ignorant denizens of this
> newsgroup are probaly incorrect. The US and Japan do indeed have a
> "Totalization Agreement" which might enable him to get *some*
> benefits. For details see:
>
> http://www.socialsecurity.gov/international/Agreement_Pamphlets/japan.html
>
> "Agreements to coordinate Social Security protection across national
> boundaries have been common in Western Europe for decades. Following
> is a list of the agreements the United States has concluded and the
> date of the entry into force of each. Some of these agreements were
> subsequently revised; the date shown is the date the original
> agreement entered into force."
>
/snip - follow the thread/
>
>.
From the original post -
"...he did not contribute to any pension schemes..."
"Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions..."
The reference you cite talks about Social Security payments having been made
to either country. Original post says no pension contributions have been
made, whereby the operative presumption is that no Social Security payments
have been made to either country. Note well that the original post is
seeking information of possible government - "state" - benefits.
Clearly if he did not contribute to any private plans, he gets no benefits
from any private plan. So the context of the original post is not that of
any private plan, but of a government one. Now he not having made any
contributions to a government plan, the original post asks what government
benefits are available to him. The reference you cite is valid in the
context of him having made contributions to the one government plan or the
other. But - to repeat - he has made no contributions to any - repeat,
any - "pension schemes". Given his situation of having made absolutely no
pension contributions at all - least of all to any government plan - the
reference you cite is a non sequitur vis a vis his situation.
== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:11 am
From: Pony
On 4/15/2010 1:34 AM, john north wrote:
> An american friend who is just coming up for retirement after working nearly
> all his life in Japan, is thinking that he will only be allowed to continue
> working at his present company in Japan if they pay him less than half of
> what he is currently earning. That reduced money would be a big struggle for
> him to survive on.
>
> He does not think there will be any alternative for him, than to accept this
> reduced pay. He would like to return to America, but since he did not
> contribute to any pension schemes, he thinks this would not be possible
> since he would have no income to survive on there.
>
> Coming from Europe myself I guess I automatically have faith that the state
> will somehow come through for us in straightened circumstances. But do not
> have any knowledge of what the situation would be in the U.S.A or in fact
> how to find out exactly what benefits might be available for a returning
> american citizen.
>
> Bearing in mind he has spent nearly all his working life working outside of
> the U.S.A., and has made no pension contributions, would be grateful to
> learn of what his circumstances would likely be, income wise in terms of
> basic benefits; if he just took the plunge and returned to his homeland.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
A Thank You to:
Lawrence Akutagawa and
Rubaiyat of Omar Bradley.
Excellent information.
John North;
Your friend possible can research the cost of living in different parts
of the U.S.A.and what income is needed for retirement, using the
internet. Keeping in mind cost of living increases and health care.
Most people in the U.S.A. with the exception of receiving Social
Security and Medicare, if paid into these programs, are left to their
own devices concerning retirement.
Wish your friend a comfortable retirement.
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TOPIC: Do Dems pander to open borders, pro-illegal Hispanics and piss off rest
of American voters?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 5:22 am
From: climber
On Apr 14, 12:02 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
> The Dems have to decide weather they want to support open borders and
> amnesty to pander to the paper tiger Hispanic voting bloc, or do
> what's right for America and appeal to the rest of us.
>
> http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/92079-immigration-splits-reid-from...
>
> Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) reelection interests are
> putting him at odds with the centrists he has vigorously protected
> over the past year and a half on the issue of immigration reform.
>
> Vulnerable senators like Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) want to stay away
> from immigration reform during an election year, but political experts
> in Nevada say mobilizing Hispanic voters could be the key to a
> reelection victory for Reid, whose favorability rating is below 40
> percent.
>
> (Note that Hispanic voters are unlike any other voters in that their
> loyalties are with Mexico and lawbreaking illegal aliens. This puts
> treasonous Dems like Hairy Reed in a bind, since he will sell out
> America to get that Hispanic vote, thus alienating loyal, decent, law
> abiding Americans)
>
> One centrist Democratic senator, who spoke on condition of anonymity
> so as not to offend Reid, said this is an instance in which the
> leader's political needs conflict with what's best for colleagues from
> conservative states, such as Lincoln.
>
> Hispanics make up 20 percent of Nevada's population and about 12
> percent of its registered voters.
>
> In 2008, Hispanic voters made up 15 percent of the people who actually
> went to the polls, and their overwhelming support for President Barack
> Obama helped him carry the state. Obama enjoyed nearly a 50-point
> advantage among Hispanic voters in Nevada.
>
> "Reid feels he needs to roll the dice and work up some enthusiasm
> among the base and make sure they get out to vote," said Ted Jelen, a
> professor of political science at the University of Nevada, Las
> Vegas.
>
> Jelen thinks immigration reform will help Reid mobilize the Democratic
> base, which is necessary for him to have a chance of winning in an
> election he says will depend on turnout.
>
> "Looking at the polls, there are very few undecided voters. This is
> going to be entirely about turnout," he said.
>
> Many centrist Democrats, however, see a push on immigration reform as
> risky to their electoral hopes.
>
> "The people in Arkansas want us focusing on creating jobs for the
> 100,000 Arkansans that have lost their jobs and putting our economy
> back on track," said Lincoln, who along with Reid is considered one of
> the most vulnerable Democratic incumbents.
>
> "Without a doubt, in Arkansas jobs and the economy is the No. 1
> issue," Lincoln added.
>
> Reid surprised lawmakers in the Senate when he declared at a large,
> cheering rally in Nevada over the weekend that Congress would begin
> work immediately on an immigration overhaul.
>
> Lawmakers had considered it unlikely that the Senate would pass, or
> even bring to the floor, comprehensive immigration reform this year.
>
> The troubled economy also makes it politically difficult to tackle
> immigration reform, which would likely allow illegal workers to be
> placed on a path to citizenship.
>
> Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said immigration reform is a more incendiary
> issue given the nation's 9.7 percent unemployment rate.
>
> "It's more incendiary with other people coming across the border to
> take jobs that would otherwise be available," said Nelson. "On the
> other hand, there is always that argument [that illegal workers] take
> the jobs that nobody else will take. I don't know that's the case."
>
> Jobs are also a huge issue in Nevada, which has a 13.2 percent
> unemployment rate.
>
> Jon Ralston, a political columnist for The Las Vegas Sun, said there
> are signs that Hispanic voters are less enthusiastic about voting this
> year, which would be a major concern for Reid.
>
> "He needs to tap into that voter bloc," Ralston said.
>
> But Ralston speculated that Reid may have overpromised.
>
> "Is this the first time Reid has gotten worked up at an event and said
> something that he may later regret?" Ralston said of Reid's weekend
> comments.
>
> Regan Lachapelle, Reid's spokeswoman, said that he has consistently
> supported immigration reform as a high priority.
>
> Indeed, at a news conference last June, Reid listed immigration reform
> as the third-highest-priority domestic initiative after healthcare
> reform and comprehensive energy reform.
>
> "Sen. Reid has been consistent in his opinion that immigration reform
> is one of his top priorities," said Lachapelle. "He remains committed
> to considering a comprehensive immigration reform bill on the Senate
> floor as soon as possible."
>
> But the political environment has changed since last summer, leading
> many to conclude that immigration reform would be shelved, even though
> Reid's deputy, Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), vice chairman of the
> Democratic Conference, was working on an overhaul plan.
>
> After Sen. Scott Brown (R) captured the seat held by the late Sen.
> Edward Kennedy (D) in a Massachusetts special election, some lawmakers
> assumed that immigration reform would drop from the agenda.
>
> "The president said that jobs is the No. 1 issue for 2010, and we
> couldn't agree more," Schumer said at a press conference in February.
> "In fact, the top three issues on our agenda this year are jobs, jobs
> and jobs."
>
> An aide to one centrist Democrat expressed surprise over Reid's pledge
> to pass immigration reform this year. The aide noted that the issue
> did not come up at a recent meeting Democratic legislative directors
> held to discuss the agenda for the rest of the year.
>
> A new push on immigration reform would further excite the Republican
> Party base, which has already been mobilized by the healthcare reform
> debate.
>
> The issue could also prove controversial among working-class
> independent voters.
>
> During the healthcare reform debate, Reid tried to give centrists as
> much political cover as possible by letting Senate Finance Committee
> Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) spend weeks pursuing an elusive
> compromise with Republicans.
>
> But now Reid has begun to focus more on his own reelection — which
> means revving up the Democratic base back home.
>
> His colleagues, however, would prefer that the focus remain on
> creating jobs. "I think we ought to focus on getting our economy
> moving again, and also
>
> I'm very concerned about the national debt and annual deficits we
> have," said Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.).
>
> Pryor added, however, that he could support immigration reform if it
> enjoyed substantial bipartisan support.
>
> Schumer has partnered with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) but has not
> yet found a second Republican to join the effort.
>
> An interesting reader comment:
>
> Majority Leader Reid…Please press as hard as you can for Immigration
> Reform. Make it start next week. It is so hugely popular with all
> groups of Americans that I know it would be a snap. Americans don't
> mind that illegal aliens and visa overstays are taking about 30
> million USA jobs..many of the Visa Overstays work in Govt. and have
> damn good jobs…We love if that People can come here from anywhere in
> the world..get welfare..food stamps..work for the Post Office…with NO
> Identification at all..NO criminal background check…I mean we LOVE
> living with millions of people whom no one knows a crock about..except
> that they do vote Demcoratic for now. ( See Mario Rubio..and behind
> him..The bright, charming, George Bush III, who is drop dead
> handsome..and by all respects a very fine young man. He is a dual USA /
> Mexican Citizen. His Mom is Mexican and also a fine woman. Young
> George has lived in Mexico..done an internship of sorts..He is an
> attorney and remember..Jeb Bush was Phi Betta Kappa at the U. of Texas…
> So Sure Harry. Roll those dice. Bring it on. And don't worry about
> Karl Rove..who was going to use Hispanics for the permanent Republican
> Majority..Just because Hispanics proved to have a mind of their own…
> does not mean they will dump Democrats too…does it? Bring it on. Now.
> Right now.Please. Just in time for the Election.
> BY Patsy on 04/14/2010 at 07:10
> If immigrants vote for Reid, they will still be out of work. It's
> pathetic that politicians use these people to drag them over the
> finish line. So many Americans are out of work now it will ignite a
> fire storm. This time around I think anyone out there pushing this is
> committing suicide. Lindsey Graham constantley reaches across the isle
> to the demoncrats. I think its time someone breaks his arm.
> BY karenc on 04/14/2010 at 07:28
> The overwhelming majority of the American people have clearly
> expressed over and over again their absolute opposition to amnesty of
> any sort. Throw out ALL politicians who refuse to honor and protect
> the majority will and best interests of the American people.
> BY JKN on 04/14/2010 at 07:48
> That is the best new I have heard. Mr. Reid and Democrats: WE DO NOT
> WANT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. NEVER. DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS NOW. YOU
> POLITICIANS HAVE TO DO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. WE PUT YOU IN
> CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE. THE ILLEGALS DID NOT. AND WE PAY YOUR
> SALARIES. THEREFORE, WE DO NOT WANT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS. NEVER.
Democracy is such a whore! Fuck whats good for America, just suck-up
to those minorities.
Liberals talk about the environment but never discuss the population-
blasting effects
of uncontrolled immigration.
climber
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:54 am
From: Frank
On Apr 15, 8:22 am, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:02 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Dems have to decide weather they want to support open borders and
> > amnesty to pander to the paper tiger Hispanic voting bloc, or do
> > what's right for America and appeal to the rest of us.
>
> >http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/92079-immigration-splits-reid-from...
>
> > Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) reelection interests are
> > putting him at odds with the centrists he has vigorously protected
> > over the past year and a half on the issue of immigration reform.
>
> > Vulnerable senators like Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) want to stay away
> > from immigration reform during an election year, but political experts
> > in Nevada say mobilizing Hispanic voters could be the key to a
> > reelection victory for Reid, whose favorability rating is below 40
> > percent.
>
> > (Note that Hispanic voters are unlike any other voters in that their
> > loyalties are with Mexico and lawbreaking illegal aliens. This puts
> > treasonous Dems like Hairy Reed in a bind, since he will sell out
> > America to get that Hispanic vote, thus alienating loyal, decent, law
> > abiding Americans)
>
> > One centrist Democratic senator, who spoke on condition of anonymity
> > so as not to offend Reid, said this is an instance in which the
> > leader's political needs conflict with what's best for colleagues from
> > conservative states, such as Lincoln.
>
> > Hispanics make up 20 percent of Nevada's population and about 12
> > percent of its registered voters.
>
> > In 2008, Hispanic voters made up 15 percent of the people who actually
> > went to the polls, and their overwhelming support for President Barack
> > Obama helped him carry the state. Obama enjoyed nearly a 50-point
> > advantage among Hispanic voters in Nevada.
>
> > "Reid feels he needs to roll the dice and work up some enthusiasm
> > among the base and make sure they get out to vote," said Ted Jelen, a
> > professor of political science at the University of Nevada, Las
> > Vegas.
>
> > Jelen thinks immigration reform will help Reid mobilize the Democratic
> > base, which is necessary for him to have a chance of winning in an
> > election he says will depend on turnout.
>
> > "Looking at the polls, there are very few undecided voters. This is
> > going to be entirely about turnout," he said.
>
> > Many centrist Democrats, however, see a push on immigration reform as
> > risky to their electoral hopes.
>
> > "The people in Arkansas want us focusing on creating jobs for the
> > 100,000 Arkansans that have lost their jobs and putting our economy
> > back on track," said Lincoln, who along with Reid is considered one of
> > the most vulnerable Democratic incumbents.
>
> > "Without a doubt, in Arkansas jobs and the economy is the No. 1
> > issue," Lincoln added.
>
> > Reid surprised lawmakers in the Senate when he declared at a large,
> > cheering rally in Nevada over the weekend that Congress would begin
> > work immediately on an immigration overhaul.
>
> > Lawmakers had considered it unlikely that the Senate would pass, or
> > even bring to the floor, comprehensive immigration reform this year.
>
> > The troubled economy also makes it politically difficult to tackle
> > immigration reform, which would likely allow illegal workers to be
> > placed on a path to citizenship.
>
> > Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said immigration reform is a more incendiary
> > issue given the nation's 9.7 percent unemployment rate.
>
> > "It's more incendiary with other people coming across the border to
> > take jobs that would otherwise be available," said Nelson. "On the
> > other hand, there is always that argument [that illegal workers] take
> > the jobs that nobody else will take. I don't know that's the case."
>
> > Jobs are also a huge issue in Nevada, which has a 13.2 percent
> > unemployment rate.
>
> > Jon Ralston, a political columnist for The Las Vegas Sun, said there
> > are signs that Hispanic voters are less enthusiastic about voting this
> > year, which would be a major concern for Reid.
>
> > "He needs to tap into that voter bloc," Ralston said.
>
> > But Ralston speculated that Reid may have overpromised.
>
> > "Is this the first time Reid has gotten worked up at an event and said
> > something that he may later regret?" Ralston said of Reid's weekend
> > comments.
>
> > Regan Lachapelle, Reid's spokeswoman, said that he has consistently
> > supported immigration reform as a high priority.
>
> > Indeed, at a news conference last June, Reid listed immigration reform
> > as the third-highest-priority domestic initiative after healthcare
> > reform and comprehensive energy reform.
>
> > "Sen. Reid has been consistent in his opinion that immigration reform
> > is one of his top priorities," said Lachapelle. "He remains committed
> > to considering a comprehensive immigration reform bill on the Senate
> > floor as soon as possible."
>
> > But the political environment has changed since last summer, leading
> > many to conclude that immigration reform would be shelved, even though
> > Reid's deputy, Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), vice chairman of the
> > Democratic Conference, was working on an overhaul plan.
>
> > After Sen. Scott Brown (R) captured the seat held by the late Sen.
> > Edward Kennedy (D) in a Massachusetts special election, some lawmakers
> > assumed that immigration reform would drop from the agenda.
>
> > "The president said that jobs is the No. 1 issue for 2010, and we
> > couldn't agree more," Schumer said at a press conference in February.
> > "In fact, the top three issues on our agenda this year are jobs, jobs
> > and jobs."
>
> > An aide to one centrist Democrat expressed surprise over Reid's pledge
> > to pass immigration reform this year. The aide noted that the issue
> > did not come up at a recent meeting Democratic legislative directors
> > held to discuss the agenda for the rest of the year.
>
> > A new push on immigration reform would further excite the Republican
> > Party base, which has already been mobilized by the healthcare reform
> > debate.
>
> > The issue could also prove controversial among working-class
> > independent voters.
>
> > During the healthcare reform debate, Reid tried to give centrists as
> > much political cover as possible by letting Senate Finance Committee
> > Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) spend weeks pursuing an elusive
> > compromise with Republicans.
>
> > But now Reid has begun to focus more on his own reelection — which
> > means revving up the Democratic base back home.
>
> > His colleagues, however, would prefer that the focus remain on
> > creating jobs. "I think we ought to focus on getting our economy
> > moving again, and also
>
> > I'm very concerned about the national debt and annual deficits we
> > have," said Sen. Mark Pryor (D-Ark.).
>
> > Pryor added, however, that he could support immigration reform if it
> > enjoyed substantial bipartisan support.
>
> > Schumer has partnered with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) but has not
> > yet found a second Republican to join the effort.
>
> > An interesting reader comment:
>
> > Majority Leader Reid…Please press as hard as you can for Immigration
> > Reform. Make it start next week. It is so hugely popular with all
> > groups of Americans that I know it would be a snap. Americans don't
> > mind that illegal aliens and visa overstays are taking about 30
> > million USA jobs..many of the Visa Overstays work in Govt. and have
> > damn good jobs…We love if that People can come here from anywhere in
> > the world..get welfare..food stamps..work for the Post Office…with NO
> > Identification at all..NO criminal background check…I mean we LOVE
> > living with millions of people whom no one knows a crock about..except
> > that they do vote Demcoratic for now. ( See Mario Rubio..and behind
> > him..The bright, charming, George Bush III, who is drop dead
> > handsome..and by all respects a very fine young man. He is a dual USA /
> > Mexican Citizen. His Mom is Mexican and also a fine woman. Young
> > George has lived in Mexico..done an internship of sorts..He is an
> > attorney and remember..Jeb Bush was Phi Betta Kappa at the U. of Texas…
> > So Sure Harry. Roll those dice. Bring it on. And don't worry about
> > Karl Rove..who was going to use Hispanics for the permanent Republican
> > Majority..Just because Hispanics proved to have a mind of their own…
> > does not mean they will dump Democrats too…does it? Bring it on. Now.
> > Right now.Please. Just in time for the Election.
> > BY Patsy on 04/14/2010 at 07:10
> > If immigrants vote for Reid, they will still be out of work. It's
> > pathetic that politicians use these people to drag them over the
> > finish line. So many Americans are out of work now it will ignite a
> > fire storm. This time around I think anyone out there pushing this is
> > committing suicide. Lindsey Graham constantley reaches across the isle
> > to the demoncrats. I think its time someone breaks his arm.
> > BY karenc on 04/14/2010 at 07:28
> > The overwhelming majority of the American people have clearly
> > expressed over and over again their absolute opposition to amnesty of
> > any sort. Throw out ALL politicians who refuse to honor and protect
> > the majority will and best interests of the American people.
> > BY JKN on 04/14/2010 at 07:48
> > That is the best new I have heard. Mr. Reid and Democrats: WE DO NOT
> > WANT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. NEVER. DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS NOW. YOU
> > POLITICIANS HAVE TO DO WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. WE PUT YOU IN
> > CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE. THE ILLEGALS DID NOT. AND WE PAY YOUR
> > SALARIES. THEREFORE, WE DO NOT WANT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS. NEVER.
>
> Democracy is such a whore! Fuck whats good for America, just suck-up
> to those minorities.
> Liberals talk about the environment but never discuss the population-
> blasting effects
> of uncontrolled immigration.
>
> climber- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Democrats, not democracy. I know of few citizens, born here and those
nationalized, that are in favor of illegals.
Just about everyone I know wants them kicked out. Blame the Dems who
look at them as underclass potential Democrat voters.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 10:09 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Apr 15, 8:22 am, climber <coledenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Democracy is such a whore! Fuck whats good for America, just suck-up
> to those minorities.
> Liberals talk about the environment but never discuss the population-
> blasting effects
> of uncontrolled immigration.
What system would you suggest in place of democracy?
A tyranny with you in charge?
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TOPIC: Doctor getting kickbacks?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:12 am
From: "Bill"
"peewee" wrote in message
>I am contemplating surgery. I have a surgeon that uses one of
> the outpatient surgery centers to do his work and he
> typically does thousands of the same operation a year at this
> same place.
>
> I have reason to think he maybe have a financial interest if
> not outright getting kickbacks from this surgery center and
> he is very closed about disclosing costs associated with
> surgery.
>
> Is there a way, short of taking him to court that I can
> determine if he has a financial interest in this center where
> he does his cutting?
What matters is if in fact you need the surgery or not. Get a second opinion
if you are not sure.
If there is a financial interest and he is recommending unnecessary surgery
just to make more money, then THAT is a problem. (silly question because
they make tons of money each time they operate no matter where!)
If you DO need the surgery, then best to let him operate where HE wants to
operate. He would be used to working with certain people and they would be
where he regularly works. As with anyone else, he probably would not be able
to do as good of a job in a strange environment working with people he is
unfamiliar with.
And in some cases, this could mean the difference between living through the
surgery or not! With certain surgery like heart operations, time is of the
essence. The surgery will be done in a short period of time if there is a
"well oiled machine" (fast team of workers who are used to working with each
other). If it is with workers unfamiliar with each other, the surgery could
take twice or three times longer! And that would mean serious damage and
maybe death to certain patients. The "survival" statistics are higher with
the fast team...
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TOPIC: Anyone else joining "Toyota Anonymous"?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e8e3b344a8c2fa7f?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:37 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 15, 3:39 am, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
<"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> > If I told you that my girlfriend is running away from a boring loser
> > that drives a little Toyota... smoker, couch potato and bullshitter.
>
> > My ex-wife too drives a little Toyota, so may sort of call us the
> > first seed for "Toyota Anonymous." I'm gonna put out the idea...
>
> > We want a world full of choices and fun, where you can ride a bike
> > locally, and don't depend on the car for everything. The only
> > commitment may be something like, "We are free from an idiotic
> > lifestyle, but now we are free."
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Never buy a Toyota before trying a bicycle!"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I'm Fat Moe and I'm a Toyota owner.
> It all started when I totaled my Detroit iron monster and had to have
> a car fast (not a fast car) and bought a used Toyota....... it was my
> first Toyota and I noticed my gas bill dropped in half, and the little
> car was pretty trouble free. It was an early 70's Corolla 4 speed
> manual with a 2TC engine, cunning, adequately powerful and reliable. I
> drove it about a year and only had to change the oil and a fuel filter.
> I didn't know it at the time but I was becoming addicted. I tried to
> quit and sold the little car but I was hooked and soon found myself
> driving another Toyota, then another. The years went by and I tried
> stopping, I drove other brands Honda, Mazda, Chevrolet, Nisson even a
> Ford but eventually I always found myself back driving a Toyota. Is
> there any help for this addiction?
Well, Totoya fits perfectly a character I've developed for the jungle
where we live... the SneakySnake. As the name seems to imply, this
snake works in sneaky ways, and it may as well have been the one
behind the original doom of humanity...
You are not addicted to Toyoya it seems, but you are addicted to cheap
stuff, like most American who go to Walmart and the Dollar Store are.
You are missing the best things in life like riding a bike or driving
a car that you really have GUSTO driving.
But don't worry, we'll let it all out in our sessions and you will be
a new man with a lot of money in your pocket and plenty of health when
you ride a bike more and more. And then you buy a new car like a Smart
with open sunroof to enjoy the sun and the moon, and you'll find
yourself shouting, "Fuck Toyota!"
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:44 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 15, 4:15 am, Dave__67 <spamTHIS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 15, 6:39 am, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
>
>
>
> <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote:
> > TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> > > If I told you that my girlfriend is running away from a boring loser
> > > that drives a little Toyota... smoker, couch potato and bullshitter.
>
> > > My ex-wife too drives a little Toyota, so may sort of call us the
> > > first seed for "Toyota Anonymous." I'm gonna put out the idea...
>
> > > We want a world full of choices and fun, where you can ride a bike
> > > locally, and don't depend on the car for everything. The only
> > > commitment may be something like, "We are free from an idiotic
> > > lifestyle, but now we are free."
>
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > > "Never buy a Toyota before trying a bicycle!"
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > I'm Fat Moe and I'm a Toyota owner.
> > It all started when I totaled my Detroit iron monster and had to have
> > a car fast (not a fast car) and bought a used Toyota....... it was my
> > first Toyota and I noticed my gas bill dropped in half, and the little
> > car was pretty trouble free. It was an early 70's Corolla 4 speed
> > manual with a 2TC engine, cunning, adequately powerful and reliable. I
> > drove it about a year and only had to change the oil and a fuel filter.
> > I didn't know it at the time but I was becoming addicted. I tried to
> > quit and sold the little car but I was hooked and soon found myself
> > driving another Toyota, then another. The years went by and I tried
> > stopping, I drove other brands Honda, Mazda, Chevrolet, Nisson even a
> > Ford but eventually I always found myself back driving a Toyota. Is
> > there any help for this addiction?
>
> Subaru.
>
> But that's even more like joining a cult...
>
> Dave
I think they worship the moon. I do too, which is why I wonder why
Americans don't get little cars with those big open sunroofs like
Smart. There are other cars like it in Europe, but the concept --not
convertible just open retractable simple convenient safe sunroof--
seems to be "missing" in America, whereby you find yourself in a
little cage. Yes, we worship the sun too!
Of course, a bike, scooter or motorcycle are freedom vehicles too!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 7:54 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 15, 6:47 am, "hls" <h...@nospam.nix> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote in messagenews:51881fe5-6a2e-4a60-8c05-81354cea7446@w42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > If I told you that my girlfriend is running away from a boring loser
> > that drives a little Toyota... smoker, couch potato and bullshitter.
>
> Doesnt sound like Toyota's fault to me.
Well, more and more doctors are recommending that you challenge your
mind, which is obviously not the case when you drive an automatic
Toyota, and that mental dumbness leads to become a loser waiting to
die.
Had he bought a little Mazda Miata --or at least a motorcycle-- he may
have been transformed and thus I wouldn't have a girlfriend.
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TOPIC: Why I didn't buy TurboTax AGAIN this year
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:44 am
From: "Bob F"
The Real Bev wrote:
>> Doesn't TurboTax have a free online version?
>
> Probably, and I think my brokers do too. I just feel happier with my
> data on MY machine, not theirs.
I agree with that 100%. Some people don't seem to care.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 15 2010 9:46 am
From: "Bob F"
The Real Bev wrote:
> On 04/14/2010 09:11 AM, SMS wrote:
>
>> On 13/04/10 8:32 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I used to think Intuit was a good company producing a good
>>> product. Now they're just one more company that deserves a trip
>>> down the drain.
>>
>> It's ridiculously priced these days. Plus if you have a complex tax
>> return it isn't very useful.
>
> Capital gains, schedule C, foreign tax credit... Used to have
> office-at-home and 179 direct expense stuff. It's been a long time
> since we had any deductions to itemize that are even a small fraction
> of the standard deduction.
> I used to read Pub 17. Now I just feed in numbers.
I never had a problem with TaxCut doing all that plus self employment, rentals,
and Schedule K's.
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