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Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 8:32 pm
From: Dan
georgewk@toast.net (Tru Dat) wrote:
> They want us to convert? what about the Microwave energy they emit?
> all of the time. and what if you refuse it's installation?
> do they cut off your electricity?
I heard a whole neighborhood in San Bruno refused installation...
--
"The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the
surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90
million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some
indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be..." - Douglas Adams
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 8:47 pm
From: DevilsPGD
In message <ifd873$jt6$1@speranza.aioe.org> "h"
<tmclone@searchmachine.com> was claimed to have wrote:
>"DevilsPGD" <Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
>news:stvih6pidc77i5itqde50bpd3voegmung7@4ax.com...
> > Whoever has the money has the power. Once the company no longer has the
>> money, they suddenly have an incentive to talk to you. This goes doubly
>> so since banks are usually happy to tack on "investigation" fees when a
>> chargeback is successful.
>
>It's worse. My processor charges me $25 for every chargeback initiated, even
>if I can prove the charge is legit and have the chargeback reversed. I've
>only had one chargeback, and it was reversed, but I didn't get the $25 back.
Sad but true. Customers usually get stuck on the wrong end of shitty
merchant policies, but for whatever reason credit card merchant lobbies
missed the boat.
>The most aggravating part is that the customer simply "forgot" she bought a
>custom cloak from me. Did she contact me to inquire about the charge before
>filing a chargeback? No. So because the customer was forgetful, I had to eat
>the fee. Yes, it's the "cost of doing business", but it sucks that banks
>treat merchants like thieves.
While I feel for you in terms of the pain when you're on the wrong end
of a chargeback, chargeback fees (investigation and other) sure add up
fast when merchants do try to play fast-and-loose or try to be deceptive
(even if technically legal using terms designed to ensure there is no
meeting of the minds by obscuring the terms in difficult legal language)
In other words, the threat of chargeback investigation fees alone is
sometimes enough to keep merchants honest, at the cost that everyone
absorbs the cost of unsuccessful chargebacks.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 8:47 pm
From: DevilsPGD
In message <ebakh61e0ccaq2nrvlcd18f4uio8nec893@4ax.com>
"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> was claimed to have
wrote:
>I've never issued a charge-back for that reason, but I've come close. Some
>retailers don't bill by the same name they use to sell. Recently we had one
>local charge (on a debit card, actually) that took me some time to figure out.
This one ticks me off -- I've come close to issuing a few chargebacks
when the merchant name on the credit card statement didn't appear on the
receipt at all anywhere, and the transaction went through on a different
date.
You can usually resolve these type of issues by calling the bank that
supplied your card, they can usually tell you the type of business and
often give you a phone number or enough details to track it down, but
it's still a hassle.
>Turned out I bought a pickup load of gravel from a place that billed itself as
>"The Woodlot". My wife thought it was a charge for some woodworking widget
>I'd bought. Nope, they also sell fire wood from the next place up the road.
>
>One I did charge back was for filters for our 'fridge. The seller didn't ship
>in six weeks (but billed us immediately) and then claimed no record of the
>transaction. Tough - eat the $25 (or whatever).
Might be higher for a successful chargeback too. Double bonus.
Personally, as soon as a merchant says "no record" then I'm done
interacting with the merchant and move to a chargeback (when I have a
order number, email, or PDF "print" of the receipt -- In other words,
when I can rule out the possibility of my error)
It's funny how often they find the order.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 28 2010 9:39 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 20:47:26 -0800, DevilsPGD
<Still-Just-A-Rat-In-A-Cage@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In message <ebakh61e0ccaq2nrvlcd18f4uio8nec893@4ax.com>
>"krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> was claimed to have
>wrote:
>
>>I've never issued a charge-back for that reason, but I've come close. Some
>>retailers don't bill by the same name they use to sell. Recently we had one
>>local charge (on a debit card, actually) that took me some time to figure out.
>
>This one ticks me off -- I've come close to issuing a few chargebacks
>when the merchant name on the credit card statement didn't appear on the
>receipt at all anywhere, and the transaction went through on a different
>date.
>
>You can usually resolve these type of issues by calling the bank that
>supplied your card, they can usually tell you the type of business and
>often give you a phone number or enough details to track it down, but
>it's still a hassle.
>
>>Turned out I bought a pickup load of gravel from a place that billed itself as
>>"The Woodlot". My wife thought it was a charge for some woodworking widget
>>I'd bought. Nope, they also sell fire wood from the next place up the road.
>>
>>One I did charge back was for filters for our 'fridge. The seller didn't ship
>>in six weeks (but billed us immediately) and then claimed no record of the
>>transaction. Tough - eat the $25 (or whatever).
>
>Might be higher for a successful chargeback too. Double bonus.
>
>Personally, as soon as a merchant says "no record" then I'm done
>interacting with the merchant and move to a chargeback (when I have a
>order number, email, or PDF "print" of the receipt -- In other words,
>when I can rule out the possibility of my error)
...and, of course the record of the charge. Since they claim to have never
heard of me, yet they did get paid, it's kind of an obvious situation.
>It's funny how often they find the order.
They didn't. I suppose the office droids really don't care.
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