Frugal Living: Jul 16, 2007

Monday, July 16, 2007

25 new messages in 6 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
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Today's topics:

* Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company? - 7 messages,
5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
* idiot Re: PayPal Wants Your Opinion - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/43ef0b78a29809c0?hl=en
* TracFone 240 min. for $50 - 6 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8fbe6b5c2a6cd7b9?hl=en
* Do any gift cards have a bonus? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/184e8548b8b1b456?hl=en
* How I paid for college for my Kids and it only cost me 6 dollars - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a276487838e4284?hl=en
* Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home. - 8 messages, 7
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/911886124117ed11?hl=en

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TOPIC: Why don't the liberal whiners start a health insurance company?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18cfba458dce8ce2?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:32 am
From: z

On Jul 13, 3:31 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote
> >>> Larry Bud <larrybud2...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >>>>> The real question is, if the French system is so awful,
> >>>>> why do people in France live longer, healthier lives, despite
> >>>>> the fact that they pay less per capita on health care?
> >>>> Because Americans eat like crap.
> >>> Sorry, all that stuff gets factored out.
> >> Nope.
> >>> The famous JAMA 7/26/2000 paper points out
> >>> that it's not US bad habits that are to blame;
> >> Its wrong.
> >>> we're the 5th best and 3rd best for smoking for females and males,
> >>> 5th best for alcohol consumption, fifth best in consumption of
> >>> animal fats and third best for cholesterol level, for instance.
> >> And close to the worst with morid obesity and diabetes rates etc etc etc.
> >>> And deaths from unnatural causes, like getting shot or car
> >>> accidents, are not included. You may have noted that French
> >>> people smoke? cigarettes? tobacco? gasp choke, die?
> >> And dont get anything like the same rates of mobid obesity and diabetes etc.
> > Well, that makes perfect sense, considering that the US
> > is worst compared to other countries in newborn survival,
>
> Thats basically demographics with the dregs of the US breeding like flys.
>
> > improves gradually as the ages considered become higher,
>
> Essentially because other operations like schools ensure they do get
> enough to eat etc with the worst of the dregs that breed like flys.
>
> > catches up at age 70, and continues to get better than other countries
> > at ages above 70. It's all explained because we have morbidly obese
> > and diabetic babies, who lose weight and become diabetic gradually
> > with advancing age. I don't know why nobody ever discovered this before.
> > It sure couldn't be because US doctors are motivated towards the big
> > ticket heroic medical technologies that give dying people an extra month,
> > and away from the simple beginning of life things that don't pay so well.
>
> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.-

So you're going to stick with the proposition that the dismal
performance of US healthcare with newborns which improves smoothly to
good performance with 80 year olds, is due to obesity and diabetes;
but attribute that epidemic of obese diabetic newborns who lose weight
and become undiabetic over 80 years to... demographics. Yep, it's the
Meskins with their penchant for diabetic babies.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:35 am
From: z

On Jul 13, 10:42 pm, William Souden <sou...@nospam.com> wrote:
> clams casino wrote:
> > Helen Weed wrote:
>
> >> Rod Speed wrote:
>
> >>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
>
> >> Hmmm... Must be his standard response when someone has exposed him.
>
> > That or something about pigs.
>
> And the always popular flushing reply.All are his ways of dealing with
> facts that contradict his fantasies.

Aw c'mon, the poor guy is cursed with some disease that keeps him
indoors all day with no contact with people except for an usenet
account. I mean there's no other reason anybody would resort to such a
pathetic simulacrum of human interaction, right?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:04 am
From: The Real Bev

clams casino wrote:

> GoodRead wrote:
>
>>I've just finished updating my blog,
>>Let me know what you think. Thanks.
>>
> I think you are no better than a slimy, low life spammer.

What makes you think he ISN'T a slimy, low life spammer?

--
Cheers,
Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"It doesn't get any easier - you just go faster."
-- Greg Lemond

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:27 am
From: jes

How about cleaning up some of the fraud in the systems?

Eg how does a medical service justify this: Draw one sample of blood,
run it once through one machine, which gives 4 separate readings.
Whoopie. Bill for 4 tests!

Get a social security # and it's the entry to the Golden Goose
Medicare Land. Not too long ago one enterprising medical care
provider billed GG for 280 procedures on a person he'd never met.

Or the patient dying of emphysema who had to be lifted from the gurney
to the operating table for his $8,000 hip replacement. He lasted 2
weeks.

I guess that qualifies me as a bleeding heart liberal....

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:52 am
From: krw

In article <1184606842.600507.308050@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
jesmith100@msn.com says...
> How about cleaning up some of the fraud in the systems?
>
> Eg how does a medical service justify this: Draw one sample of blood,
> run it once through one machine, which gives 4 separate readings.
> Whoopie. Bill for 4 tests!

Tests aren't free, even if some of the work is done at the same time
by the same machine.

> Get a social security # and it's the entry to the Golden Goose
> Medicare Land. Not too long ago one enterprising medical care
> provider billed GG for 280 procedures on a person he'd never met.

I've been billed by *many* doctors I've never met. That's the way
things work. They don't all come by to shake your hand first.

> Or the patient dying of emphysema who had to be lifted from the gurney
> to the operating table for his $8,000 hip replacement. He lasted 2
> weeks.

Most people are lifted from the gurney onto the operating table. It
must be nice to be prescient.

> I guess that qualifies me as a bleeding heart liberal....

If not, a know-nothing anarchist.

--
Keith

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:08 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

z <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 3:31 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> z <gzuck...@snail-mail.net> wrote
>>>>> Larry Bud <larrybud2...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>>> The real question is, if the French system is so awful,
>>>>>>> why do people in France live longer, healthier lives, despite
>>>>>>> the fact that they pay less per capita on health care?
>>>>>> Because Americans eat like crap.
>>>>> Sorry, all that stuff gets factored out.
>>>> Nope.
>>>>> The famous JAMA 7/26/2000 paper points out
>>>>> that it's not US bad habits that are to blame;
>>>> Its wrong.
>>>>> we're the 5th best and 3rd best for smoking for females and
>>>>> males, 5th best for alcohol consumption, fifth best in
>>>>> consumption of animal fats and third best for cholesterol level,
>>>>> for instance.
>>>> And close to the worst with morid obesity and diabetes rates etc
>>>> etc etc.
>>>>> And deaths from unnatural causes, like getting shot or car
>>>>> accidents, are not included. You may have noted that French
>>>>> people smoke? cigarettes? tobacco? gasp choke, die?
>>>> And dont get anything like the same rates of mobid obesity and
>>>> diabetes etc.
>>> Well, that makes perfect sense, considering that the US
>>> is worst compared to other countries in newborn survival,
>>
>> Thats basically demographics with the dregs of the US breeding like
>> flys.
>>
>>> improves gradually as the ages considered become higher,
>>
>> Essentially because other operations like schools ensure they do get
>> enough to eat etc with the worst of the dregs that breed like flys.
>>
>>> catches up at age 70, and continues to get better than other
>>> countries at ages above 70. It's all explained because we have
>>> morbidly obese
>>> and diabetic babies, who lose weight and become diabetic gradually
>>> with advancing age. I don't know why nobody ever discovered this
>>> before. It sure couldn't be because US doctors are motivated
>>> towards the big ticket heroic medical technologies that give dying
>>> people an extra month, and away from the simple beginning of life
>>> things that don't pay so well.
>>
>> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.-

> So you're going to stick with the proposition that the dismal performance
> of US healthcare with newborns which improves smoothly to good
> performance with 80 year olds, is due to obesity and diabetes;

That was always your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasy.

> but attribute that epidemic of obese diabetic newborns who lose
> weight and become undiabetic over 80 years to... demographics.

Never ever said anything remotely resembling anything like that eitheer.

> Yep, it's the Meskins with their penchant for diabetic babies.

Or that.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> In article <1184606842.600507.308050@m37g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> jesmith100@msn.com says...
>> How about cleaning up some of the fraud in the systems?
>>
>> Eg how does a medical service justify this: Draw one sample of
>> blood, run it once through one machine, which gives 4 separate
>> readings. Whoopie. Bill for 4 tests!
>
> Tests aren't free, even if some of the work is done at the same time
> by the same machine.

And the machine that tests for 4 things obviously
costs more than a machine that tests for just one.

>> Get a social security # and it's the entry to the Golden Goose
>> Medicare Land. Not too long ago one enterprising medical care
>> provider billed GG for 280 procedures on a person he'd never met.

> I've been billed by *many* doctors I've never met. That's the way
> things work. They don't all come by to shake your hand first.

And it would be pointless paying more to have them do that too.

>> Or the patient dying of emphysema who had to be lifted from the
>> gurney to the operating table for his $8,000 hip replacement. He
>> lasted 2 weeks.

> Most people are lifted from the gurney onto the operating table. It
> must be nice to be prescient.

>> I guess that qualifies me as a bleeding heart liberal....

> If not, a know-nothing anarchist.

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TOPIC: idiot Re: PayPal Wants Your Opinion
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/43ef0b78a29809c0?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:40 am
From: Just A User

larry wrote:
> yea right,
>
> the last time i gave them my opinion, they told me they could not accept
> feedback and suggestions from anyone -period-
>
> so, want my opinion now, go to-
>

http://paypalsucks.com
>
> everyone- if you have or plan on using paypal, please do read this site,
> it can save you a lot of grief when something does go wrong (and it will).
>
> i still use paypal, but i'm an informed consumer ;-)
>
> -larry / dallas
PayPal leaves much to be desired. But then again they are a subsidiary
of EBay, which to me explains much.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 11:20 am
From: George Orwell

In article <kcMmi.11627$bz7.9468@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

> yea right,
>
> the last time i gave them my opinion, they told me they
> could not accept feedback and suggestions from anyone -period-
>
> so, want my opinion now, go to-
>

http://paypalsucks.com
>
> everyone- if you have or plan on using paypal, please do
> read this site, it can save you a lot of grief when
> something does go wrong (and it will).
>
> i still use paypal, but i'm an informed consumer ;-)
>
> -larry / dallas

I agree PayPal sucks, I was on the phone for 15 minutes ranting to the survey guy. He didn't like it but he put up with it.

He said they will send the coin so maybe it was worth it besides making me feel better.

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TOPIC: TracFone 240 min. for $50
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8fbe6b5c2a6cd7b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:53 am
From: Dennis

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:12:30 -0700, A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com>
wrote:

>at Target. Now would these "expire" if I delayed 6 months in installing
>in my "tank"?

Nothing happens until you add the minutes to your phone. Whenever you
do add them, they extend your expiration time by the amount on the
card. For example, say it is the beginning of August and you have 60
days left on your phone (i.e., expires the beginning of October). If
you add a 90-day card now, your expiration date becomes the beginning
of January. If you wait until October, then add the minutes, your
expiration date is still the beginning of January. You can extend
your expiration date this way out to (IIRC) somewhere around a year
ahead (check the website for details).

Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 9:32 am
From: "Him"

That comes out to 20.x cents per minute. Virgin Mobil starts their per
minute price at 18 cents. You can also get a free phone on line and I think
the service is better, complete online tracking of the account and
monitoring of use. I switched about 6 months ago.

"A Veteran" <georgek@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgek-CCDF78.08123016072007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> at Target. Now would these "expire" if I delayed 6 months in installing
> in my "tank"?
>
> --
> when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
> All problems look like nails.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:06 am
From: "Chloe"

"Him" <deltacyberservices@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:D4Nmi.8814$zA4.4457@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> That comes out to 20.x cents per minute. Virgin Mobil starts their per
> minute price at 18 cents. You can also get a free phone on line and I
> think
> the service is better, complete online tracking of the account and
> monitoring of use. I switched about 6 months ago.

I used to love my Tracfone since my cell phone use is very limited. But they
changed service providers in my area about six months ago and ever since,
it's been one dropped call after another. Then I went out of town for a
week, planning to use up my remaining minutes phoning home before getting
rid of the thing for good. There was supposed to be coverage, but in fact I
couldn't talk for more than 30 seconds before the call dropped--over and
over. Now it's not a bargain at any price.

Tracfone ought to pay some attention to the quality of their local carriers.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 11:16 am
From: Dennis

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:06:28 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com>
wrote:

>I used to love my Tracfone since my cell phone use is very limited. But they
>changed service providers in my area about six months ago and ever since,
>it's been one dropped call after another. Then I went out of town for a
>week, planning to use up my remaining minutes phoning home before getting
>rid of the thing for good. There was supposed to be coverage, but in fact I
>couldn't talk for more than 30 seconds before the call dropped--over and
>over. Now it's not a bargain at any price.
>
>Tracfone ought to pay some attention to the quality of their local carriers.

My Tracfone uses Cingular (now ATT) GSM locally. I'm pretty happy
with the local coverage and call quality. However, I recently went on
a road trip from the Portland, OR area to the western edge of
Minnesota and back. Tracfone's coverage map notwithstanding, I rarely
got signal with my Tracfone during the trip, even along the interstate
and in bigger towns. For some reason, my (Cingular) Tracfone did not
get any service in one particular town in South Dakota, while a
local's Cingular phone did. Maybe the Cingular service in SD isn't
GSM, I don't know. In any case, I was pretty disappointed in the
coverage outside of my local area.

Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 11:46 am
From: clams casino

Dennis wrote:

>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 13:06:28 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>I used to love my Tracfone since my cell phone use is very limited. But they
>>changed service providers in my area about six months ago and ever since,
>>it's been one dropped call after another. Then I went out of town for a
>>week, planning to use up my remaining minutes phoning home before getting
>>rid of the thing for good. There was supposed to be coverage, but in fact I
>>couldn't talk for more than 30 seconds before the call dropped--over and
>>over. Now it's not a bargain at any price.
>>
>>Tracfone ought to pay some attention to the quality of their local carriers.
>>
>>
>
>My Tracfone uses Cingular (now ATT) GSM locally. I'm pretty happy
>with the local coverage and call quality. However, I recently went on
>a road trip from the Portland, OR area to the western edge of
>Minnesota and back. Tracfone's coverage map notwithstanding, I rarely
>got signal with my Tracfone during the trip, even along the interstate
>and in bigger towns. For some reason, my (Cingular) Tracfone did not
>get any service in one particular town in South Dakota, while a
>local's Cingular phone did. Maybe the Cingular service in SD isn't
>GSM, I don't know. In any case, I was pretty disappointed in the
>coverage outside of my local area.
>
>Dennis (evil)
>
>
Tracfone recently replaced my older motorola phone with an updated phone
after informing me that my phone was very soon to be out of date with
the service in my area. The replacement phone was fully free - postage
paid by tracfone. Earlier this year, I was getting no service in many
areas, including Phoenix & the DC area, but had no problems in my New
England area..

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:31 pm
From: A Veteran

In article <fm4n935ngi7b1sctgg6ak2v5bdosd4qeq3@4ax.com>,
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:12:30 -0700, A Veteran <georgek@humboldt1.com>
> wrote:
>
> >at Target. Now would these "expire" if I delayed 6 months in installing
> >in my "tank"?
>
> Nothing happens until you add the minutes to your phone. Whenever you
> do add them, they extend your expiration time by the amount on the
> card. For example, say it is the beginning of August and you have 60
> days left on your phone (i.e., expires the beginning of October). If
> you add a 90-day card now, your expiration date becomes the beginning
> of January. If you wait until October, then add the minutes, your
> expiration date is still the beginning of January. You can extend
> your expiration date this way out to (IIRC) somewhere around a year
> ahead (check the website for details).
>
> Dennis (evil)

I called Target about this. You have up to 6 months after you buy the
card to install the time in your "tank" then the clock ticks on any
time you have in the phone (fone?)
the sale end the 21st.
I only use the phone for emergencies, my wife has a "real" service.
and we have a landline for the 'puter.

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.

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TOPIC: Do any gift cards have a bonus?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 9:09 am
From: dr_phill123@yahoo.com

I signed up for an airline credit card which requires me to spend a
certain amount in a few
months in order to get their bonus miles. I was thinking to buy up
some gift cards, but
wondered if any gift cards offer an incentive for purchasing them. In
other words if I buy
a $500 Walmart gift card, do I automatically get an extra $25 credit
added to the card? Or
are there any gas stations gift cards?

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TOPIC: How I paid for college for my Kids and it only cost me 6 dollars
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 2:39 am
From: Feranija

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:35:55 -0700 borismon14@gmail.com wrote:

> From PayPal:
>
> "Dear Member, it has come to our attention that there

There is much better way; leave a kid to grandmas and/or aunts to
watch after him while you work. Then, send him to military academy
and governament pays everything.

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 9:47 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Dennis wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:30:59 -0700, Zilbandy wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:48:24 -0700, Dennis wrote:
>>
>>> Where's the bathroom?
>> They show it in the video.
>
> Not in the video that I saw. Thus my question.

Perhaps the have the philosophy of "The world is my bathroom." :)

Anthony

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:08 am
From: "Chloe"

"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:243n931etbp5phoutdf5eqsl56emajq61j@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:30:59 -0700, Zilbandy
> <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:48:24 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Where's the bathroom?
>>
>>They show it in the video. My camping tent is bigger than that. LOL
>
> Not in the video that I saw. Thus my question.

In the video I saw they showed a tiny thing that looked like a built-in
potty chair. I assume there's no separate bathroom sink. I don't recall
seeing any kind of shower stall, though.
>
> Dennis (evil)
> --
> "There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:11 am
From: "Nancy"

"Just A User" <ken@up-yours-spammer.net> wrote in message > I saw it
featured on a major media channel. While this is along the idea
> of something I would like to put on my land in TX, I do think 84sq ft is a
> bit on the small side for 1 person. I have messed around with floor plans
> for small cabins and came up with a 500sq ft floor that seemed livable.

There is a Yahoo group called "cheap shelter" you might be interested in.
Also "Homesteading Today" has a lot of good discussions about small houses.

Nancy, also in Texas

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 10:33 am
From: Donna

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:5g05otF3f0mfsU1
@mid.individual.net:

>>>
>> American Indian TeePee , English settlers first homes?
>
> Not too practical today.

As practical as you want to be.

--
~Donna
http://www.frugalsewing.com

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:24 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:29:53 -0700, Useful Info wrote:

> Electricity from solar.
> Propane from a small container.
> $10k for the entire house.
> No mortgage...
>
> Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
> enslaved to the banks?
>
> See the video at http://Muvy.org

I have no mortgage, enough land to provide firewood, a good well and soon
will be off grid. Best of all Bush doesn't rule here.

-- Regards, Curly
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== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Donna <donna@exitstageleftcroakerwoods.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> American Indian TeePee , English settlers first homes?

>> Not too practical today.

> As practical as you want to be.

Nope. No privacy for starters.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:33 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> JerryD(upstateNY) wrote

>>>> Myal wrote: its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in
>>>> "wealthy" lands<<<<<<

>>>> They may be happy about it.
>>>> Just because you wouldn't like it doesn't mean other people
>>>> wouldn't. I know a bunch of people who live in RV's by choice.
>>>> They had homes and sold them.

>>> I am happy whatever I live in , spent years in a caravan , lived
>>> under a tarp for many months , in a bus converted to mobile home and
>>> now have a house , Im adaptable , easily pleased and love the
>>> convienience of travel and easy accomodations .

>>> It still saddens me to see folk who live in shitty cramped
>>> conditions out of nescesity rather than by choice .

>>> with so many billions being spent on killing the poorest folk there is in othe r lands ,

>> That doesnt happen.

> Riiiggghhhttt .....

Fraid so. That didnt happen even in the Iran/Iraq war,
everyone except the rich got killed, not just the poor.

Same with WW1 and WW2 and in WW1 even quite a few of the rich got killed too.

> OK , I se who I am dealing with , bye ...

Usual mindless fool.

>>> surely a bit of that $$ can bes pent either fixing or eradicating the poor at home ?

>> Nope, some will always choose to 'live' like that.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:32 pm
From: A Veteran

In article <coGmi.282993$Fk2.45107@newsfe08.phx>,
not the moderator <lavenderlouie@AZGOV.com/us> wrote:

> editor@netpath.net wrote:
> > On Jul 15, 5:29 pm, Useful Info <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Electricity from solar.
> >> Propane from a small container.
> >> $10k for the entire house.
> >> No mortgage...
> >
> > It's very possible. After all, lots of Americans - especially men
> > - for generations have CHOSEN to live for days at a time in small
> > hunting cabins, fishing cabins, po-up vacation trailers, etc.
> >
> > No $4 to park! No $6 admission!

http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
> >
> Lots of criminals live in 8x10 ft. cells and survive quite well. They
> have a sink and commode, a nice bed to entertain their "buddy", and have
> meals prepared for them. The cells are climate controlled and they go
> out to eat. The taxpayer picks up the bill. Unfortunately, the cells
> aren't mobile, and they aren't allowed to have campfires or pets.

TiVo?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:21 am
From: Myal

Rod Speed wrote:
> Myal <Dumaree@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>JerryD(upstateNY) wrote:
>>
>>>Myal wrote: its kinda sad that people are reduced to that in
>>>"wealthy" lands<<<<<<
>>>
>>>
>>>They may be happy about it.
>>>Just because you wouldn't like it doesn't mean other people wouldn't.
>>>I know a bunch of people who live in RV's by choice.
>>>They had homes and sold them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I am happy whatever I live in , spent years in a caravan , lived
>>under a tarp for many months , in a bus converted to mobile home and
>>now have a house , Im adaptable , easily pleased and love the
>>convienience of travel and easy accomodations .
>>
>>It still saddens me to see folk who live in shitty cramped conditions
>>out of nescesity rather than by choice .
>
>
>>with so many billions being spent on killing the poorest folk there is in othe r lands ,
>
>
> That doesnt happen.
>

Riiiggghhhttt ..... OK , I se who I am dealing with , bye ...

>
>>surely a bit of that $$ can bes pent either fixing or eradicating the poor at home ?
>
>
> Nope, some will always choose to 'live' like that.
>
>

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:30 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <139lrta6s4nake6@corp.supernews.com>,
gheston@hiwaay.net says...
> In article <njql93dc5mlbojm11h5f4746ktgj7mp4hl@4ax.com>,
> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:29:53 -0700, Useful Info <useful_inf@yahoo.com>
> >wrote:
> [ ... ]
> >>See the video at http://Muvy.org

> It's actually more than 84 square feet; the loft isn't counted in that.

> >Where's the bathroom?

> Probably in the friends' house her house is in the back yard of.

I spent a few years in an 8 foot square room, with a sink.
That's 64 square feet. Toilets and showers were down the hall.

No, it wasn't jail. Rather, a low-cost place in a large,
expensive (but fun) city.

An extra 20 square feet could have accomodate a toilet and
shower.

I lived in another place for a few years, that was probably less
than 100 square feet, and had it's own bathroom. Also a cupboard
with two stove burners on top, and a regular fridge. If I pulled
out my bed-inside-couch, it took up more than half the main area.

In the right situation, for the right cost, I would be willing to
live in such places again.

Some people just have a bug in their arse about housing.
Including the whole thing about multiple rooms. I have even
encountered people who claimed that they would commit suicide
before living in a studio flat.

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 1:55 am
From: not the moderator

editor@netpath.net wrote:
> On Jul 15, 5:29 pm, Useful Info <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Electricity from solar.
>> Propane from a small container.
>> $10k for the entire house.
>> No mortgage...
>
> It's very possible. After all, lots of Americans - especially men
> - for generations have CHOSEN to live for days at a time in small
> hunting cabins, fishing cabins, po-up vacation trailers, etc.
>
> No $4 to park! No $6 admission!

http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
>
Lots of criminals live in 8x10 ft. cells and survive quite well. They
have a sink and commode, a nice bed to entertain their "buddy", and have
meals prepared for them. The cells are climate controlled and they go
out to eat. The taxpayer picks up the bill. Unfortunately, the cells
aren't mobile, and they aren't allowed to have campfires or pets.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 3:54 am
From: clams casino

GoodRead wrote:

>What should you look for when shopping for a home equity loan?
>

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:20 am
From: Dennis

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:30:59 -0700, Zilbandy
<zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:48:24 -0700, Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Where's the bathroom?
>
>They show it in the video. My camping tent is bigger than that. LOL

Not in the video that I saw. Thus my question.

Dennis (evil)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:09 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <f7155h$htn@harn.ceas.rochester.edu>,
jgp@seas.rochester.edu says...
> In article <yobvecs6ze1.fsf@panix1.panix.com>, <goaway@fractious.net> wrote:
> >You, the consumer, have no standing and no right to demand
> >enforcement [of the merchant agreement].

> That isn't quite correct. The merchant agreement is between the
> merchant and the merchant's bank. But you the consumer also have a
> contract with the bank you got your card from. Ease of use is one of
> the big features Visa & MC pitch and it is the reason behind many of
> the acceptance rules merchants would like to ignore. You have a right
> to complain to your bank about such merchants and to expect them to do
> something about it.

Yes, the customer/cardholder has a contract with the bank that
issued the card. However, that is focused on the
customer/cardholder's obligations to use the card in a legal and
legit manner. Especially with regards to paying the bill.

Are you suggesting that the Cardholder Agreement includes
language that obligates customers to refuse to do business with a
merchant who violates the minimum transaction prohibition? Or to
report that merchant?

If so, please provide a reference and quotes for a specific
Cardholder Agreement from a specific bank.

> There is also an aspect of false and misleading advertising here since
> merchants will typically display the CC logo prominently on the door
> and in advertising and it's not til you get to the register that you
> learn that when they said "Visa" they weren't using the word the same
> way that Visa does (and insists that the merchant must). In this
> instance you are a party to the violation and would have standing for
> prosecution.

"A party to the violation"? The customer/cardholder isn't the
one causing the merchant to violate a merchant processing
contract.

The merchant processing contract doesn't say anything about a
customer/cardholder being held responsible for tolerating
violations like minimums, surcharges, etc.

And there is zero chance of "prosecution" of the
customer/cardholder when a merchant violates those particular
contractual points. It is a civil matter between the merchant,
the processor, and the credit card association or company.

I mean, really... What if a restaurant has a minimum ten dollar
limit for MasterCard acceptance... And I eat there, with a
fifteen dollar total bill, and pay with my MasterCard. Why would
I have "standing for prosecution" over a civil contractual matter
between three other parties?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:39 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <2NLli.6$s25.0@trndny04>, derjda@hotmail.com says...
>
> "Ablang" <ron916@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184292809.659644.259850@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...

> > 32 ways to save when grocery shopping

> > # Try to shop when you're alone. Those little helpers can quickly
> > boost your bill.

> better yet, lear to say NO. it'll come in handy for lots of other things.

When I was a kid, I would have immediately got whupped upside da
head, if I acted like some children I see at my local
supermarket. I'm not saying that it was good. But I learned
about acting civilised in public places.

> > # Clip coupons. You'll also find coupons in women's and general-
> > interest magazines.

> but only for items you'd normally use. and using a coupon on crap
> still gives you crap.

No, you misunderstand... Saving money is good. And Twinkies
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 5:17 am
From: barbie gee

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, Don K wrote:

> "PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:o0kk931en3t6ktrdtps5rvpl60oscs6pmq@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 08:52:37 -0700, "D." <djensen36@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For more than 30 years the export to and consumption of China made
>> goods around the world had grown by leaps and bounds. In spite of the
>> latest campaign to smear not only these products but also to smear a
>> whole people and country the trade figures have gone ever higher.
>> Hundreds of millions of people worldwide are certainly no fools and
>> their buying behavoir is a thumping vote of confidence to discount the
>> smear campaign.
>
>
> To suggest China's quality control problem is a result of some smear campaign
> is pure jingoism.
>
> Second and Third world countries just don't have the regulatory institutions
> in-place to assure the same level food and drug quality that the first-world
> countries have come to expect.
>
> That doesn't mean it will never happen, but it will take a committed effort
> and a lot of work to bring it about.

Well, the Chinese are certainly highly motivated, so I'd bet they'll have
stuff like that set up in a year or two...

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 5:21 am
From: wyznike

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 5:29 am
From: wyznike

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 5:39 am
From: "inatunnel@gmail.com"

I am considering a life-style change that includes a severe drop in
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I am not indicating my current skills as I am considering a life-style
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Thank you for your consideration.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 6:40 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:39:12 -0000, "inatunnel@gmail.com"
<inatunnel@gmail.com> wrote:

>I am considering a life-style change that includes a severe drop in
>earnings. I will not discuss my current situation. The life-style I am
>considering requires an estimated $36,000 USD per annum earnings. My
>questions are two:
>
>- if the net is $36,000, what are the estimated gross that includes US
>IRS income earnings
>- what possible jobs are available, possibly several, to achieve the
>net listed above
>
>I am not indicating my current skills as I am considering a life-style
>change that includes a possibility of learning different skills.
>
>Thank you for your consideration.

You might as well ask "What age are apples?"

Figure 8% on top for social security, roughly 15% on top for Fed
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$36K net has a lot different value in New York City than in Hannibal
MO.

As for jobs, most better paying jobs require a previous history of
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basketwaeving.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 6:57 am
From: "Chloe"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6usm9317gvpmvtstiiscue994k8d61hmhr@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:39:12 -0000, "inatunnel@gmail.com"
<snip>
> Figure 8% on top for social security, roughly 15% on top for Fed
> taxes, X% for state taxes, Y% for adjusting for sales taxes, Z% for
> "required" insurances, and the list goes on.
<snip>

http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

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== 1 of 2 ==
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 5:55 am
From: "Tony"

Carie if you still reading this ?
could you let us know how you made out.
Thanks Tony

<carie_r@mail.com> wrote in message
news:1183764250.640399.227540@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> It's 90 deg. outside, humidity is 37%. The A/C is set to 80 deg. The
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>
> Maintenance fixed the A/C only a month ago when it completely quit
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> apartment.
>
> Maintenance is coming tomorrow. How do I make sure they fix the unit
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> electric bill is outragous.
>
> The unit doesn't show a manufacturing date, and I can't find the model
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> Goodman Manufacturing Co, 1501 Seamist Dr,
> Houston, TX 77008
> Model No. AW30-05C
> Part No. 20203-23
> Regrig 22
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>
> Also, once the unit works properly, how much more does it cost to keep
> the apartment at 76 as opposed to 80 (above conditions)?
>
> Thanks
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 6:45 am
From: wyznike

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:12 am
From: A Veteran

at Target. Now would these "expire" if I delayed 6 months in installing
in my "tank"?

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 16 2007 8:33 am
From: larry

yea right,

the last time i gave them my opinion, they told me they
could not accept feedback and suggestions from anyone -period-

so, want my opinion now, go to-

http://paypalsucks.com

everyone- if you have or plan on using paypal, please do
read this site, it can save you a lot of grief when
something does go wrong (and it will).

i still use paypal, but i'm an informed consumer ;-)

-larry / dallas

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