Frugal Living: Jan 12, 2009

Monday, January 12, 2009

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TOPIC: Couponclippers.com?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/479a768fe15c093e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:09 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0d61b8c0-c8b4-44ea-be7c-f45357b26399@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> I tried it years ago but ended up with a bunch of stuff that I never
> used.
>

With couponclippers.com you select only the coupons you want - and that you
have use for. You can get the coupons in quantity - some have a limit and
some you must get 5 - but you still only get what you can use.

As said before, I have dealt with them for years and have saved hundreds of
dollars. About 35% off my grocery bills. The grocery in my area (would
have to travel 15 miles to another) will double coupons under $1 - but not
more than the cost of the item. That still means I get some things for free
(not a lot but some) and many more half off. Have to watch and be very
aware of the local prices - and brand names stocked - and watch what is on
sale. Recently - toilet paper was on sale - a 4 pack for $2.99. I
immediately ordered ten coupons from couponclippers.com - for 75 cents off.
Since they ship within a week - I got the coupons - and used them - before
the sale was over. So just a bit over half off - and I stocked up on TP.

You just have to be aware of what you want - what the stores stock - and
watch the adds.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 7:30 pm
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net

Well darn, I still can't check out! I've got a total of $3.68 in my
shopping cart and it continually tells me I must have a total of at
least $3.00 in my cart. I guess this site won't work for me and I had
such high hopes and I cant' figure out what to do.

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TOPIC: OT - Survivalism Retail Style
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:10 pm
From: "John R. Carroll"

<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:gkgecr$4og$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>
>> Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
>> CPI.
>
> You are correct that the raw median average house prices are not reflected
> in CPI. I misundersood the reference to house prices, and took it to mean
> housing prices.
>
>
>
>> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the BLS
>> > site, so I snipped them.
>
>> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
>> allegation above.
>
> Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
> talking about. I meant ____.
>
>
>
>
>> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
>> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can never
>> be tolerated.
>
> Wow! Treachery? Cool!

LOL
You two are cracking me up <G>

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:37 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:57:47 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

Neither are "housing prices" part of the CPI:

"The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real
estate, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to day-
to-day consumption expenses.)"

>> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the BLS
>> > site, so I snipped them.
>
>> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
>> allegation above.
>
> Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
> talking about. I meant ____.

I meant, and substantiated, precisely what I said. There was no error in
my posting. Your reading comprehension and erroneous opinion are not my
problem.

>> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
>> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can never
>> be tolerated.
>
> Wow! Treachery? Cool!

A lawyer would think so.

--
Regards, Curly
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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:39 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:11:30 -0500, Bob Brock wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC), EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
> wrote:
>
>>In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
>>> CPI.
>>
>>You are correct that the raw median average house prices are not
>>reflected in CPI. I misundersood the reference to house prices, and
>>took it to mean housing prices.
>>
>>
>>
>>> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the
>>> > BLS site, so I snipped them.
>>
>>> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
>>> allegation above.
>>
>>Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
>>talking about. I meant ____.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
>>> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can
>>> never be tolerated.
>>
>>Wow! Treachery? Cool!
>
> Yeah, but how did you like my prediction of the exact month that the
> stock market drop? Really cool huh?

If you want to speak of predictions, how about my liquidation in 2004 and
2005 with our last property sale in Oct 2005?

This governmentally assisted plundering of the economy was obvious to
anyone who was looking. Do not accept the disclaimer that "Nobody could
have predicted this..."

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:54 pm
From: Bob Brock

On 12 Jan 2009 22:39:56 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:11:30 -0500, Bob Brock wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC), EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
>>>> CPI.
>>>
>>>You are correct that the raw median average house prices are not
>>>reflected in CPI. I misundersood the reference to house prices, and
>>>took it to mean housing prices.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the
>>>> > BLS site, so I snipped them.
>>>
>>>> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
>>>> allegation above.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
>>>talking about. I meant ____.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
>>>> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can
>>>> never be tolerated.
>>>
>>>Wow! Treachery? Cool!
>>
>> Yeah, but how did you like my prediction of the exact month that the
>> stock market drop? Really cool huh?
>
>If you want to speak of predictions, how about my liquidation in 2004 and
>2005 with our last property sale in Oct 2005?
>
>This governmentally assisted plundering of the economy was obvious to
>anyone who was looking. Do not accept the disclaimer that "Nobody could
>have predicted this..."

Such things must drive the neo-cons crazy considering that their
predictions such as three months in Iraq, finding WMD's within weeks,
flowers at the liberator's feet, the Republican landslide in 2008, the
economic gains from deregulation. I could go on and on and on, but
you get the gist of it.

One's best bet would be to take what they say and go the opposite way.
It's not a good track record for a survivalist, but then IMO they
aren't survivalists.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 7:55 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 11, 5:41 pm, F. George McDuffee <gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us> wrote:
> On 11 Jan 2009 22:38:34 GMT, terryc<newssevenspam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>>Which country is this? The marketing in this country shows no sign of it
> >whatso ever. It is still full of imaginary benefits from buying this
> >products
>
> <snip>
> ---------
> Indeed it does not, which may be yet another reason retail sales
> have largely tanked. To quote Yogi Berra "the people stayed away
> in droves."
>
> Unka' George [George McDuffee]
> -------------------------------------------
> He that will not apply new remedies,
> must expect new evils:
> for Time is the greatest innovator: and
> if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
> and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
> what shall be the end?
>
> Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
> Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

And they will likely stay away in droves for some time to come...

TMT

Wal-Mart CEO sees no quick rebound for economy
By Nicole Maestri Nicole Maestri Mon Jan 12, 12:55 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) – The chief executive of Wal-Mart Stores Inc
(WMT.N) said on Monday he expects the U.S. economy to remain
extraordinarily challenging in the first half of the year and that he
was not expecting a quick turnaround.

Lee Scott made the comments at the National Retail Federation's annual
conference being held in New York. He described it as his last public
speech as head of the world's largest retailer before retiring on
February 1.

Scott said the U.S. government's efforts to stimulate the economy
should have "some impact," but added: "I don't see anything that tells
me it's going to turn around quickly."

"The second half of the year, you would hope, would be better," he
said. "We all hope by next Christmas it certainly isn't any worse."

Wal-Mart, the discount giant, has been gaining market share in the
last year as consumers seek out its low prices on items such as food
and medicine to stretch limited budgets.

But a year-long recession, mounting job losses and tighter access to
credit combined to produce the worst holiday sales season in nearly
four decades, according to the International Council of Shopping
Centers.

Wal-Mart was not immune to the harsh climate and last week posted
lower-than-expected December sales and cut its fourth-quarter profit
forecast.

FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN SPENDING

Scott said this downturn may fundamentally change people's spending
habits.

"I'm not necessarily convinced that just when all this liquidity and
things hit, if you're going to have the same immediate desire to go
back to consumption and debt," he said, referring to a potential U.S.
government stimulus plan.

"There are a lot of young people who have learned what it's like when
you are living on the edge and the bad times come."

Consumers may not be as inclined to splurge or accumulate debt after
having lived through such a difficult economic period, he said.

That could spell more bad news for retailers who are already slowing
growth plans, closing underperforming locations and laying off workers
as consumer spending diminishes.

NRF President and CEO Tracy Mullin said more than a dozen retailers,
including Circuit City (CCTYQ.PK) and Sharper Image, filed for Chapter
11 bankruptcy protection in 2008.

Adding to the gloomy outlook for the start of 2009, on Monday customer
traffic tracking firm ShopperTrak forecast that total foot traffic to
retail stores would fall 16.4 percent in the first quarter and U.S.
retail sales could fall 4 percent in that same period.

"Although consumers will continue redeeming gift cards and taking
advantage of some post-holiday sales throughout January, slow first-
quarter shopping levels will have the industry scrambling," Bill
Martin, co-founder of ShopperTrak, said in a statement.

TACKLING TOUGH ISSUES

Scott said business leaders should not use the downturn as an excuse
to avoid tackling tough issues, like the soaring cost of health care
or pushing for alternative sources of energy.

"There is no conflict between delivering value to shareholders and
helping solve bigger societal problems," he said.

Making reference to a "problem-solving vacuum" in Washington, he
pushed for government and business leaders to work together to solve
these problems.

The speech echoed comments Scott made a year ago, when he said Wal-
Mart would use its heft as the world's largest retailer to push for
changes in health care, energy consumption and sourcing.

Under Scott, the retailer has vowed to one day create zero waste and
use only renewable energy. In October, Wal-Mart said it would begin
tightening controls on its Chinese suppliers by requiring them to meet
tougher quality standards or face losing the retailer's business.

Wal-Mart shares rose 25 cents to $51.85, outperforming a 2 percent
decline for the Standard & Poor's Retail Index (.RLX).

(Editing by Maureen Bavdek and Gunna Dickson)

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:04 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 12, 9:33 am, EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> In misc.survivalism cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > We've been looking for a home to buy.
> > Around here there are only two choices.
> > 5000 square foot new construction,
> > (which I can not afford)
> > and 30 year old houses at 2008 pricing levels
> > (which are not worth the asking price (anymore?))
>
> My sister went through a similar search a few years ago outside DC. She
> ended up buying a McMansion far far into the exurbs because that was
> pretty much all that was affordable, consistent with good schools. They
> use the formal living room to house their foosball table. Given that the
> house has a huge Family Room, they don't need a living room. They put
> their TV in the family room, so the Media Room too is underutilized.
>
> They don't like living in the middle of nowhere, nor do they like heating
> a huge house. But as you say, very little was available that met their
> needs at the time. And now, their neighbors are desperate to sell, with
> some homes being sold by banks for MUCH lower prices than they typical
> outstanding debt.
>
> --
> The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
> certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
> -- Bertrand Russel

I think they will not like maintainance costs nor the taxes in the
future.

Also for them to buy closer now they have to sell their big house.

Those who rent are in a very good position now.

TMT

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 8:07 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 12, 10:42 am, Strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
> EskWI...@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
> > In misc.survivalism cavelamb <cavel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> We've been looking for a home to buy.
> >> Around here there are only two choices.
> >> 5000 square foot new construction,
> >> (which I can not afford)
> >> and 30 year old houses at 2008 pricing levels
> >> (which are not worth the asking price (anymore?))
>
> > My sister went through a similar search a few years ago outside DC. She
> > ended up buying a McMansion far far into the exurbs because that was
> > pretty much all that was affordable, consistent with good schools. They
> > use the formal living room to house their foosball table. Given that the
> > house has a huge Family Room, they don't need a living room. They put
> > their TV in the family room, so the Media Room too is underutilized.
>
> > They don't like living in the middle of nowhere, nor do they like heating
> > a huge house. But as you say, very little was available that met their
> > needs at the time. And now, their neighbors are desperate to sell, with
> > some homes being sold by banks for MUCH lower prices than they typical
> > outstanding debt.
>
> And this lowers the resell value of their home. Even if they live
> in the house for years it may never bring the price they paid in
> adjusted dollars.
>
> Real property market prices are being forced down to the point
> of true value. The difference between this cost value and the
> initial cost of the house is a permanent loss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Permanent loss"

I think most people haven't realized this yet.

America has yet to realize that our quality of life has just taken a
hit we will not see return in our lifetimes.

TMT

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TOPIC: Batteries: Pays to shop around
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:27 pm
From: me@privacy.net

I don't use a lot of alkaline batteries
but today I need one 9 volt and three AA
batteries for stuff at home

I don't want a years worth of batteries
and local Walmart seems to only sell
mega packs of them anymore. However they
did have a single 9 volt for $3.50 and
pack of four AA's for another $3.50

Being the tightwad I am I decided to
check Big Lots. Sure enough.... one 9
volt for $1.50 and three AA pack for
$1.70

WTF!? That much mark up on batteries?
Sheesh!!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 5:56 pm
From: SMS

me@privacy.net wrote:
> I don't use a lot of alkaline batteries
> but today I need one 9 volt and three AA
> batteries for stuff at home
>
> I don't want a years worth of batteries
> and local Walmart seems to only sell
> mega packs of them anymore. However they
> did have a single 9 volt for $3.50 and
> pack of four AA's for another $3.50
>
> Being the tightwad I am I decided to
> check Big Lots. Sure enough.... one 9
> volt for $1.50 and three AA pack for
> $1.70
>
> WTF!? That much mark up on batteries?
> Sheesh!!

Batteries have a tremendous mark-up. I was talking to my friend the
other day who needed to buy a battery for a piece of medical equipment
for his mother. He went to Rite Aid and the battery was $15. He had no
frame of reference and he just paid it. Later he saw the same battery at
Longs Drug store (a chain out west just bought by CVS) for $6. Yeah, you
often have to buy big packs at Costco or such to get decent prices,
though Walgreen's often has good deals on 4 packs.

Daiso has good prices on small quantities of batteries, including the
often outrageously priced coin cell batteries. They have started
expanding into the U.S. (CA and WA so far).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 7:16 pm
From: me@privacy.net

SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>Yeah, you
>often have to buy big packs at Costco or such to get decent prices,
>though Walgreen's often has good deals on 4 packs.

Well say I did buy a mega pack...... just how long is
the shelf life of the cells?

is it cost effective to buy a mega pack and wait years
to use them up? Or best to buy just what you need?

And does storing the cells in the fridge help life any?

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TOPIC: Cheap doesn't mean frugal.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/236d9191f133039a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 3:11 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper

James wrote:
> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

Make soup. Or serve them when you have company who like white meat.

One question regarding "the same price": do you get the same percentage
of meat from leg quarters as from whole chickens?

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 6:51 pm
From: James

On Jan 12, 6:11 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> James wrote:
> > I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> > Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> > price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
>
> Make soup. Or serve them when you have company who like white meat.
>
> One question regarding "the same price": do you get the same percentage
> of meat from leg quarters as from whole chickens?

Leg quarters for 69 cents a pound.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 7:53 pm
From: Evelyn Leeper

James wrote:
> On Jan 12, 6:11 pm, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
>>> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
>>> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
>> Make soup. Or serve them when you have company who like white meat.
>>
>> One question regarding "the same price": do you get the same percentage
>> of meat from leg quarters as from whole chickens?
>
> Leg quarters for 69 cents a pound.

No, my question i, if you remove all the bones and waste from four
pounds of whole chicken, do you get the same amount of meat as from four
pounds of leg quarters?

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

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TOPIC: what to do with old Dot Matrix printer?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/433f3de03338791a?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 4:09 pm
From: OhioGuy

I've got a roughly 19 year old Panasonic KXP-1124 dot matrix printer
that I haven't used a lot in the past year or so. I've started
rearranging our bedroom, and found myself thinking about throwing it out.

It works just fine, though it prints at half the speed it did in DOS
for some reason - under Windows '95 and greater, it started only
printing one direction, instead of both directions like it used to -
effectively making it half the original speed.

Anyway, I don't like the idea of adding to landfill waste, but I
think that perhaps I may end up giving it up finally to make more space
in our room. On the other hand, there were a couple of times when I was
able to use it when our primary computer had trouble.

Anyone have any thoughts on finally getting rid of something you've
had for a long time, which still works, but seems slow?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 4:26 pm
From: "Lou"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:gkgm5e$cc5$1@news.ett.com.ua...
> I've got a roughly 19 year old Panasonic KXP-1124 dot matrix printer
> that I haven't used a lot in the past year or so. I've started
> rearranging our bedroom, and found myself thinking about throwing it out.
>
> It works just fine, though it prints at half the speed it did in DOS
> for some reason - under Windows '95 and greater, it started only
> printing one direction, instead of both directions like it used to -
> effectively making it half the original speed.
>
> Anyway, I don't like the idea of adding to landfill waste, but I
> think that perhaps I may end up giving it up finally to make more space
> in our room. On the other hand, there were a couple of times when I was
> able to use it when our primary computer had trouble.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on finally getting rid of something you've
> had for a long time, which still works, but seems slow?

The world is full of this stuff - stuff that's outdated for whatever reason,
but not broken, and still workable. That's why more mature folks have
mismatched dishes and flatware, clothes that are out of date and don't
match, junque in their cellars and garages. People even rent storage units
to hold the overflow of stuff.

Whether you heap it all up in one place and call that place a dump or
landfill, or distribute it around so that it's clutter in your living space,
it's still garbage, junk, trash. It's going to end up in a landfill sooner
or later. Spare your kids the trouble of cleaning up your mess after you're
dead and gone - get rid of it.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 5:29 pm
From: "Chris Marksberry"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:gkgm5e$cc5$1@news.ett.com.ua...
> I've got a roughly 19 year old Panasonic KXP-1124 dot matrix printer
> that I haven't used a lot in the past year or so. I've started
> rearranging our bedroom, and found myself thinking about throwing it out.
>
> It works just fine, though it prints at half the speed it did in DOS for
> some reason - under Windows '95 and greater, it started only printing one
> direction, instead of both directions like it used to - effectively making
> it half the original speed.
>
> Anyway, I don't like the idea of adding to landfill waste, but I think
> that perhaps I may end up giving it up finally to make more space in our
> room. On the other hand, there were a couple of times when I was able to
> use it when our primary computer had trouble.
>
> Anyone have any thoughts on finally getting rid of something you've had
> for a long time, which still works, but seems slow?

Offer it on Freecycle.

http://www.freecycle.org/

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 6:55 pm
From: James

On Jan 12, 8:29 pm, "Chris Marksberry"
<rmarksbe...@comcast.NoSpam.net> wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gkgm5e$cc5$1@news.ett.com.ua...
>
>
>
>
>
> > I've got a roughly 19 year old Panasonic KXP-1124 dot matrix printer
> > that I haven't used a lot in the past year or so. I've started
> > rearranging our bedroom, and found myself thinking about throwing it out.
>
> > It works just fine, though it prints at half the speed it did in DOS for
> > some reason - under Windows '95 and greater, it started only printing one
> > direction, instead of both directions like it used to - effectively making
> > it half the original speed.
>
> > Anyway, I don't like the idea of adding to landfill waste, but I think
> > that perhaps I may end up giving it up finally to make more space in our
> > room. On the other hand, there were a couple of times when I was able to
> > use it when our primary computer had trouble.
>
> > Anyone have any thoughts on finally getting rid of something you've had
> > for a long time, which still works, but seems slow?
>
> Offer it on Freecycle.
>
> http://www.freecycle.org/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It would be perfect for people like me who only uses a printer several
times a decade.

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TOPIC: don't gas stations have bathrooms any more?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 4:18 pm
From: OhioGuy

> At any rate, there are always more stations and fast food outlets
> that do have bathrooms, plus rest stops on the Interstates.

I'm just thankful that I didn't have to go right at that moment. I
have gallbladder disease, which for some reason seems to have a side
effect of making me need to go soon after eating. When I have to go, I
often can't wait even another 5 minutes or longer to use the bathroom -
I need to go then.

I don't really want more laws and such on the books trying to force
people to do certain things. Instead, I'd like bathrooms at a gas
station to be a common courtesy, and something that everyone expects.

I suppose on that note, I should simply send a letter to both the
owner of the local gas station, plus the franchise, explaining that I
will not give my business to anyone who decides not to have a bathroom
available.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 4:24 pm
From: "Evelyn"

<tweeny90655@mypacks.net> wrote in message
news:7422b0d4-680e-4c63-a51b-498ff5420ff5@o40g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 11, 10:23 pm, "Evelyn" <evelyn.r...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I used to do that before I discovered Goo Gone. It is really amazing on
> grease spots. As the person who does the cooking in this house, I use it a
> lot on my clothing.

I have never tried Goo-gone on fabric. Will keep it in mind.

I was trying to give a frugal alternative. A bar of Fels lasts eons .

***********

Yes, it does. But the goo gone is a time saver. No scrubbing whatsoever.

--
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Best Regards,
Evelyn

Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 4:25 pm
From: "Evelyn"

"GregS" <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
news:gkfnrq$6u$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...
> In article <gkfl6r$2p8$1@news.motzarella.org>, "Evelyn"
> <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"GregS" <zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com> wrote in message
>>news:gkfhoc$s2a$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu...
>>> In article <gked1i$nnj$1@news.motzarella.org>, "Evelyn"
>>> <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:d5qdnSc8upfsjvfUnZ2dnUVZ_hidnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2...
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <248516b3-dc95-45c1-b458-9c8d05dcdeb8@q30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> brassplyer <brassplyer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Grease stains seem to be really tenacious. Thinking primarily
>>>>>>petroleum-based grease - automotive etc. Anyone found a product or
>>>>>>combination of products a/or methods that's really effective getting
>>>>>>it out without damaging the cloth?
>>>>>
>>>>> The white gel-type hand cleaners work very well; available at just
>>>>> about
>>>>> any auto parts store for $0.50 or $1.00 per tub. I keep a tub next to
>>>>> the
>>>>> laundry supplies in my utility room for this very purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
>>>>> General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Go into the hardware store and ask for "Goo Gone." I use it on greasy
>>>>stains in the laundry, or on that gummy stuff that holds labels, or on
>>>>grease spots anywhere. I have actually used it safely on a silk
>>>>shirt.
>>>>I keep a bottle of it in the laundry room, and hubby has one in the
>>>>garage.
>>>>Great stuff. Squirt it on the stain, then wash as usual. Preferably
>>>>with
>>>>rather warm water.
>>>
>>> Similar action, WD-40 will soften up the smudge, then use lots
>>> of hot soap to remove.
>>>
>>> greg
>>
>>
>>I squirt it on the stain then throw the garment into the washer. It
>>never
>>needs a second treatment. Been using Goo gone for probably over 15 years
>>now with great results.
>
>
> I was just picking up a tube of hand cleaner yesterday. Its always missing
> when you need it.
> I was going to say, most hand cleaners designed for the garage mechanic
> should also work pretty good.
>
> greg

Could be, but they contain pumice which isn't good for fabrics.

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Best Regards,
Evelyn

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Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 5:02 pm
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Jan 12, 4:14 pm, TgR <j7q5xz58...@lightning.e4ward.com> wrote:
> In Madoff's Scheme Jews Were Winners & Non-Jews Were Losers,
> despite the mass media's pretense that most of the losers were
> Jewish.
>
> Bernie Madoff's Ethno-Nepotistic Ponzi Scheme
> James Murray
>
> January 4, 2008
>
> A careful reader will note that there were real winners. We will call
> them the Jews, since they were Jews, This group would ultimately have
> large losses of imaginary paper "profits." And there were big losers.
> Let's call them the Goys or the Suckers, since they are non-Jews. Of
> course, the difference between these groups is their ethnicity. It is
> worth noting that the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, and
> the mass media in general, see this as a fraud that essentially
> affected only Jews. As we have seen, this is the exact opposite of the
> truth. Jews were winners, and non-Jews were losers.
>
> To repeat: in Madoff's scheme, Jews were winners, and non-Jews were
> losers. It was not just a Ponzi scheme, it was a Ponzi scheme
> structured around a massive transfer of wealth to one's own ethnic
> group, a kind of previously undescribed Ethno-Nepotistic-Ponzi scheme.
>
> Finally, this suggests that the real reason why Haaretz and Abe Foxman
> are so hysterical about the Madoff scandal and its possible effect of
> increasing anti-semitism is not because they fear irrational goyim who
> are overly eager to paint all Jews with the traits of Bernie Madoff.
> It is that there simply were very few real Jewish victims and quite a
> few non-Jewish victims: The so-called Jewish victims actually made
> money. And they made millions and millions and millions.
>
> For the full article including data supporting the above conclusions
> go to
>
> http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Murray-Madoff.html

As more information becomes public we can anticipate very shocking
disclosures re:
family, "tribe", etc.

mitch

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 5:26 pm
From: terryc

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:57:52 -0800, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Your thoughts?
>
> TMT
>
>
> Save Money By Rethinking Your TV, Internet And Phone Needs

This article is like all the rest. It is really about dropping your
landline and moving over to expensive wireless based services with
exceedingly expensive data costs.

In comparison, my ADSL link runs on th back of the copper landline and the
data I get is very cheap.

The communication problem is that many of the people I communicate with do
not yet have a smilar setup, So I can not take advantage of email,
webcams, chat, irc, irq. skype, etc, etc.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 6:02 pm
From: thackere@gmail.com

why would a judge tell 1 lady, you can't take a mans inheritence, and
tell the sistern in law you can take everything he owns?

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 9:35 am
From: tweeny90655@mypacks.net

On Jan 12, 12:28 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> My wife has perfected the "coupon racket" to the point that she saves us
> $50-100 a month on food bills.

But, how much DO you spend on food in a month, and how many mouths are
you feeding? And how much of that couponed stuff is just junk?

once she went into the grocery story, came
> out with a bag of stuff and more money than when she walked in (when they
> "double" or "triple" coupons,

I'd like to know where these doubling and tripling store are located.
None in MY area, for sure.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 9:55 am
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net

On Jan 12, 11:28 am, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
>
> Your local newspapers should have coupons, too.
>
>
I stopped my subscription to our local Sunday paper about 6 weeks ago,
therefore I don't have access to the coupons. And many times there
*might* be 3 or 4 coupons that were useable for my needs. I don't buy
something just because it has a coupon.
> My wife has perfected the "coupon racket" to the point that she saves us
> $50-100 a month on food bills. once she went into the grocery story, came
> out with a bag of stuff and more money than when she walked in (when they
> "double" or "triple" coupons, sometimes the result is more than the price
> of the stuff, so you get money back).
>
>
Very rarely have I ever been in the situation where the items I am
buying ends up free, I just see a savings on double coupons.
>
>
> Also, remember that when you get the Sunday papers, they are full of
> coupons, too. Sit in the car and look through what they are selling at X%
> off. If you need it, then go back into the store and buy one or two more
> copies of the same newspaper to get extra coupons that will save you more
> than the price of the paper.
>
>
Buying another paper to just to get the coupons defeats the purpose of
the coupon. The Sunday paper here is around $2.00 and buying two or
more copies to get the coupons would run me around $6 or more. NO
savings there on coupons and I don't need nor use Pampers, Iams
dogfood, Gerber babyfood, sugar laden/over priced snacks, etc., etc.
Coupon clipping is great if it's used wisely but buying 6 bottles of
kosher dill pickles because I have a coupon is a waste of money and
storage space.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:02 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:
> On Jan 12, 12:28 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> My wife has perfected the "coupon racket" to the point that she saves us
>> $50-100 a month on food bills.
>
> But, how much DO you spend on food in a month, and how many mouths are
> you feeding? And how much of that couponed stuff is just junk?

I find that buying the store brand is usually a much better deal than
using coupons. For me, the big savings are in January (and now also
July) when Shop-Rite has their "can-can" sale. For example, canned
mushrooms and canned beans for fifty cents a can. (Yes, I know dried
are cheaper, but they take much longer and often make too much for two
people.) Canned tuna was about 85 cents a can, as were the pouches.

> once she went into the grocery story, came
>> out with a bag of stuff and more money than when she walked in (when they
>> "double" or "triple" coupons,
>
> I'd like to know where these doubling and tripling store are located.
> None in MY area, for sure.

Here (in Central NJ) they double, but not triple. They used to triple
in western Massachusetts; I'm not sure if they still do.

In any case, I think they limit the discount to the value of the item,
and won't double any coupon of $1 or more.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Be braver. You cannot cross a chasm in two small jumps.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:34 am
From: James

I tried it years ago but ended up with a bunch of stuff that I never
used.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:26 am
From: Stray Dog

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:35:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: tweeny90655@mypacks.net
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Couponclippers.com?
>
> On Jan 12, 12:28 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> My wife has perfected the "coupon racket" to the point that she saves us
>> $50-100 a month on food bills.
>
> But, how much DO you spend on food in a month, and how many mouths are
> you feeding? And how much of that couponed stuff is just junk?

Just two of us, but stuff we stock up on (toilet paper, freezer bags, lots
of things, garbage bags, etc.). Anything that makes sense.

You do have to watch for them. If you have not a lot of stores in your
area, then they don't need to compete with each other. Here we have a
number of major chains and that stimulates competition.

She also watches hard for sales, particularly on meats. A lot of her
savings are on that, too, where they knock a few bucks off per pound of
whatever.

She also bought a bread machine, now about 20 years old (panasonic) and,
believe it or not, still works. Makes a small loaf of bread for 20 cents
worth of flour, etc (she gets all components on sales, coupans), makes
kits (all compoents pre mixed, and stored in refrig/freezer, until
needed). We (she) did have to replace the teeflon coated insert for where
the stuff goes and gets mixed because the surface deteriorates over time
and then the baked loaf doesn't fall out easily. But, that fresh bread and
smell and taste are worth a million bucks. Been going through about 3-4
loaves a week on that bread meachine, continuously, for the last 20 years.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:30 am
From: Stray Dog

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:55:24 -0800 (PST)
> From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Couponclippers.com?
>
> On Jan 12, 11:28 am, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Your local newspapers should have coupons, too.
>>
>>
> I stopped my subscription to our local Sunday paper about 6 weeks ago,
> therefore I don't have access to the coupons. And many times there
> *might* be 3 or 4 coupons that were useable for my needs. I don't buy
> something just because it has a coupon.

Sometimes, you can find papers in public libraries, laying around in
restaurants, pub transportation, etc.

Sometimes, in convenience stores on mondays, after the sunday paper is
obsolete, they cut off the title page to get credit, and the rest of the
paper is dumped in the garbage. If you get my drift.

>> My wife has perfected the "coupon racket" to the point that she saves us
>> $50-100 a month on food bills. once she went into the grocery story, came
>> out with a bag of stuff and more money than when she walked in (when they
>> "double" or "triple" coupons, sometimes the result is more than the price
>> of the stuff, so you get money back).
>>
>>
> Very rarely have I ever been in the situation where the items I am
> buying ends up free, I just see a savings on double coupons.

I leave it to her to decide. Me? I fix the computers and keep the techie
stuff working, she doesn't understand that stuff, but she is great on the
couponing stuff (also the thrift store, watching sales, etc).

>>
>> Also, remember that when you get the Sunday papers, they are full of
>> coupons, too. Sit in the car and look through what they are selling at X%
>> off. If you need it, then go back into the store and buy one or two more
>> copies of the same newspaper to get extra coupons that will save you more
>> than the price of the paper.
>>
>>
> Buying another paper to just to get the coupons defeats the purpose of
> the coupon. The Sunday paper here is around $2.00 and buying two or
> more copies to get the coupons would run me around $6 or more. NO
> savings there on coupons and I don't need nor use Pampers, Iams
> dogfood, Gerber babyfood, sugar laden/over priced snacks, etc., etc.
> Coupon clipping is great if it's used wisely but buying 6 bottles of
> kosher dill pickles because I have a coupon is a waste of money and
> storage space.

When it works, she gets much more than the price of the papers.

>
>

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:32 am
From: Stray Dog

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, James wrote:

> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:34:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: James <j0069bond@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Couponclippers.com?
>
> I tried it years ago but ended up with a bunch of stuff that I never
> used.
>
>

You have to follow your own draconian rule that you only buy what _you_
need, not what _the store_ wants you to need.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 1:44 pm
From: itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net

On Jan 12, 1:26 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009, tweeny90...@mypacks.net wrote:
>
>
> Just two of us, but stuff we stock up on (toilet paper, freezer bags, lots
> of things, garbage bags, etc.). Anything that makes sense.
>
>
Yes, the toilet paper, paper towels, laundry and dishwashing
detergents are some of the best bargains, for me. You're gonna need
those things eventually, and they don't spoil, so they are good items
to stock up on.
>
>
> > once she went into the grocery story, came
> >> out with a bag of stuff and more money than when she walked in (when they
> >> "double" or "triple" coupons,
>
> > I'd like to know where these doubling and tripling store are located.
> > None in MY area, for sure.
>
> You do have to watch for them. If you have not a lot of stores in your
> area, then they don't need to compete with each other. Here we have a
> number of major chains and that stimulates competition.
>
>
There is one store here, Harris Teeter that will triple coupons up to
99 cents and I only shop there when I'm at work. It's a 25 mile round
trip from my house so no big savings if that were my number shopping
store.
>
>
> She also watches hard for sales, particularly on meats. A lot of her
> savings are on that, too, where they knock a few bucks off per pound of
> whatever.
>
>
Yes, the meat sales, and particularly the marked down meat that has
been in the display case 4 or 5 days can save a nice chunk of change!

The only coupon place I ever was dissatified with was "Carol Wright."
You filled out a questionnaire of sorts as to the type of coupons you
wanted. What a joke, they sent everything but what I wanted. I
wanted catfood coupons and I got dogfood coupons. They sent baby
stuff galore, but no baby here, etc. I was quite disappointed and
finally got off that stupid list and have received others from that
site through the mail and I got burned once, not again!

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:09 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

You just have to be aware of what you want - what the stores stock - and
watch the adds.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 9:39 am
From: Jamie

On Jan 12, 12:34 am, Dan Birchall <nob...@imaginary-
host.danbirchall.com> wrote:
> Quite the list. Best, of course, if coffee filters happen to be
> insanely cheap compared to all the other things that might be used
> to do the jobs. :)
>
> (I have no idea if they are - I don't drink coffee.)
>
> --http://ChocoLocate.com/- The Chocolate Lovers' Page, established 1994.

I don't drink coffee either, I should add.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:40 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:17:48 -0800 (PST), Jamie
<jannghi@ihollister.net> wrote:

>4. Filter broken cork from wine. If you break the cork when opening a
>wine bottle, filter the wine through a coffee filter.

In a pinch, I guess. Tried this very thing a little while back and
the sediment clogged the filter almost immediately.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 9:44 am
From: tweeny90655@mypacks.net

On Jan 9, 12:15 am, doc marten <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
> why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
> brakes and hitch .

Prob. too expensive to remove that gear?

Wasn't it towed to its location at one time?

If you are not on your own property, you may want to move it someday.

It is 45 x 10 ?
> No ones going traveling with this monster. It's a long , long long
> trailer. It features a lot on built ins. like cabinets and a full
> kitchen not the construction office type.

Just be sure you are always ready and able to get out of that
firetrap - they can be history in minutes.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:58 am
From: The Real Bev

tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:

> On Jan 9, 12:15 am, doc marten <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>> we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
>> why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
>> brakes and hitch .
>
> Prob. too expensive to remove that gear?

If you remove those it may become a house and you'll have to pay property tax on
it -- generally more than what it costs to license a trailer.

--
Cheers, Bev
<> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <>
Some mornings it's just not worth chewing through the straps.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 1:41 pm
From: BigDog1

On Jan 10, 7:54 am, Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 9, 8:06 pm, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Jan 9, 12:15 am, doc marten <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
> > > we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
> > > why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
> > > brakes and hitch . It is 45 x 10 ?
> > > No ones going traveling with this monster. It's a long , long long
> > > trailer. It features a lot on built ins. like cabinets and a full
> > > kitchen not the construction office type.
> > > --
> > > When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
> > > that's Evolution.
>
> > You are truly living life large, Doc.
> > That's 450 square feet not counting the deduction for partitions and
> > the 1" wall thickness, kitchen cabinets and such.
>
> What's wrong with living in a home that only has the area you need and
> not the area needed to impress the neighbors?
>
> Heating and cooling costs would be reduced along with the associated
> energy used to produce them.
> Raw materials used to build them would be reduced. Less "stuff' would
> be needed to fill them. Less space would be needed to site them.
>
> Sounds like a good thing to me.

I lived in one of those things for a couple of years back in the late
60s. Same size and vintage as OPs. It cost three or four times to
heat and cool as the 1800 sq ft home I moved into. They're not very
well insulated, and aren't the least bit energy efficient. Sometimes
like living in a cardboard box.

There's a lot to be said for a well built, well insulated small
house. But this ain't it.

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:37 am
From: James

I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:45 am
From: Omelet

In article
<ce89f2c7-3056-467b-a6d9-958da52c72c4@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

Just make chicken salad out of the breast meat!

Works for me.....
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:25 am
From: aem

On Jan 12, 10:37 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

At least with whole chickens you can bone them properly. These "leg
quarters" they sell always have the hip bone and bits of the back
attached, which are just scrap for the stockpot. One thing you can do
is bone out the breasts and save them for chicken stirfrys. Toss the
breast bones/ribcage into the stockpot. -aem

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 11:58 am
From: "cybercat"

"aem" <aem_again@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:066c4e18-8b8a-47db-a503-a17d8b868f4c@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 12, 10:37 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
>> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
>> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.
>
> At least with whole chickens you can bone them properly. These "leg
> quarters" they sell always have the hip bone and bits of the back
> attached, which are just scrap for the stockpot. One thing you can do
> is bone out the breasts and save them for chicken stirfrys. Toss the
> breast bones/ribcage into the stockpot. -aem

I scored two very fresh looking chickens yesterday for 59 cents a pound. The
limit was two. We like a mix of white and dark meat in most dishes.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 1:54 pm
From: Nancy2

On Jan 12, 12:37 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I bought 4 chickens because they were on sale for 69 cents a pound.
> Now I like dark meat better and can get leg quarters for the same
> price. So I got the better deal but will probably enjoy it less.

Actually, frugal doesn't mean cheap. Frugal means using everything,
not just the best bits. Or sort of.

The Frugal Gourmet didn't buy cheap ingredients - but he promoted the
idea of using all the bits of whatever he bought.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 10:38 am
From: Pat in NJ

brassplyer wrote:
> Grease stains seem to be really tenacious. Thinking primarily
> petroleum-based grease - automotive etc. Anyone found a product or
> combination of products a/or methods that's really effective getting
> it out without damaging the cloth?

I use lestoil. It doesn't smell good but it does the job

Pat in NJ

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 12:35 pm
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 18:05:18 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>
>> > In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "House prices" wasn't in the statement to which I responded nor are
>> >> they a component of official inflation figures.
>> >
>> > Curly - your ignorance of facts colors your conclusions.
>
>> Fuck you and your insults.
>
> It was't an insult, it was a suggestion.

Bulllshit, it was a ad homenim. It's even wrong as proven below so, fuck
you and the horse you rode in on.

> Your response doesn't change
> the fact that housing is one of the eight categories specifically
> included in CPI.

Bullshit again, you're twisting under scrutiny. The issue was, and is,
"House prices" not "housing." By snipping you are removing history and
attempting to morph the thread. Stop snipping, it's deceitful.

>> > Look at the BLS website. Indeed, housing is one of the eight major
>> > groups of products and services that is considered when computing the
>> > number.
>> >
>> > I can find a more precise cite if that would help you.

Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
CPI. I've already shown that real estate is specifically eliminated as
part but you deceitfully snipped that. Here it is again:

"The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real
estate, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to day-
to-day consumption expenses.)"

>> I'm well aware of the real figures, not your opinion:
>
>> * HOUSING (rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, fuel
>> oil, bedroom furniture)
>
>
>> The closest the CPI gets to "home prices" is rent which is barely a
>> correlation to a very long term moving average.
>
> The figure you want is "owners' equivalent rent". I haven't looked into
> it in detail, but likely it is some sort of opportunity cost number,
> relevant to a homeowner who is choosing between staying put in his
> expensive home, or selling it in order to be able to buy other stuff.
>
> BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the BLS
> site, so I snipped them.

Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
allegation above. "House prices" are not, were not, won't be, part of
the CPI despite your insults.

And your snippage is deceitful for it removes the context and pertinent
text:

"The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real
estate, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to day-
to-day consumption expenses.)"

As you will see, "real estate" is specifically exempted, NOT part of the
CPI. Yet you snip this out and continue to assert bullshit.

You are a very poor lawyer. Sneaky and deceitful, as lawyers are
trained, but very poor none the less. When an untrained layman can rip
your lies to shreds you've failed utterly.

I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can never
be tolerated.

Do not take the liberty of snipping my postings and misrepresenting what
the snipped text said. Your insults and assertions have been proven
false and your lack of ethics repudiated.

"The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, *REAL*
*ESTATE*, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to
day-to-day consumption expenses.)" [emphasis added]

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htm#Question_1

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 1:57 pm
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com

In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:

> Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
> CPI.

You are correct that the raw median average house prices are not reflected
in CPI. I misundersood the reference to house prices, and took it to mean
housing prices.

> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the BLS
> > site, so I snipped them.

> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
> allegation above.

Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
talking about. I meant ____.

> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can never
> be tolerated.

Wow! Treachery? Cool!

--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2009 2:11 pm
From: Bob Brock

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC), EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
wrote:

>In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:24:36 +0000, EskWIRED wrote:
>
>> Yes, find a federal cite that shows "house prices" to be part of the
>> CPI.
>
>You are correct that the raw median average house prices are not reflected
>in CPI. I misundersood the reference to house prices, and took it to mean
>housing prices.
>
>
>
>> > BTW, there was no need to post the irrelevant categories from the BLS
>> > site, so I snipped them.
>
>> Yes, there was a need to post all categories for they disproved your
>> allegation above.
>
>Wouldn't it be clearer to just say: I think you are mistaking what I am
>talking about. I meant ____.
>
>
>
>
>> I've actually agreed with some of your screeds and gone easily but now
>> the gloves come off. Unethical behavior, lies and treachery, can never
>> be tolerated.
>
>Wow! Treachery? Cool!

Yeah, but how did you like my prediction of the exact month that the
stock market drop? Really cool huh?

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TMT

Save Money By Rethinking Your TV, Internet And Phone Needs
CHICAGO -- The shaky economy is putting many Americans in saving mode.
One place people might look to trim their budgets: monthly Internet,
TV and phone bills.

According to research from Consumer Reports, competition for cable and
satellite customers between AT&T U-verse and Verizon FiOS high-speed
fiber providers has driven down rates for Internet, phone and TV
service.

All types of Internet/TV/phone-service bundles have dropped in cost by
up to 20% over the past year, to as low as $80 a month, according to
the research. And although promotional rates are usually applicable
for the first one or two years, providers are reluctant to raise rates
after the period is up -- especially in competitive markets.

For households that use all three services, bundling often provides a
better deal than purchasing services a la carte, and often will come
with extras such as free installation, the research found. Still, some
consumers are finding they don't need all three services, especially
if they can find decent substitutes and trim bills at the same time.

"When times are good, we tend to put our finances on automatic pilot,"
said Gail Cunningham, spokeswoman for the National Foundation for
Credit Counseling. Today, consumers are becoming a lot more thoughtful
with their spending decisions -- and even small cuts in monthly bills
can make a huge difference over the course of a year.

Make sure, however, that whatever changes you make to your budget are
right for your family's lifestyle and can be sustainable over the long
term, Cunningham said.

"Don't go cold turkey," she said. Instead, focus on changes that are
harder to notice. If you have a choice, "cutting back is always better
than cutting out," she said.

Decide what you need

More people are dropping their landlines and relying entirely on their
cell phones, Cunningham said. Dumping an unlimited local calling plan
from AT&T, for example, could save about $20, according to pricing
information on the company's Web site.

But if you decide to eliminate a landline to cut costs, make sure you
have a cell-phone plan with enough minutes to handle all of your
calls, Cunningham said. Those interested in keeping a landline only
for emergencies should make sure they subscribe to the most bare-bones
option available.

Others are scaling back cable lineups and turning to DVD services like
Netflix and streaming online video to fill the gap, said Marc Hedlund,
CEO of the personal finance site Wesabe.com.

Visitors in forums on Wesabe.com aren't necessarily talking about
sacrificing services they're used to -- they're discussing how to
replace higher cost services with less expensive ones, Hedlund said.
"Essentially, they're coming up with substitutes, some of which might
be free or lower cost, that in better times we might not think twice
about," he said.

Unlimited DVD packages from Netflix start as low as $8.99 a month, and
include unlimited streaming videos that can be watched on a computer
or on a television, according to Netflix.com. (To watch the streaming
movies on TV, a connection device is necessary, which could require an
added upfront charge.)

In the Chicago area, for example, there's a $50 difference between the
promotional monthly rates of the lowest and highest priced digital
packages offered through Comcast, according to its Web site. In this
scenario, scaling back a cable plan from the biggest to the smallest
and adding a Netflix subscription could save a family about $41 a
month.

And don't overpay for Internet speed: Consumer Reports recommends the
typical 5 megabits per second download and 1 Mbps upload speeds for
most users. Unless you're doing a lot of downloading or sharing
lengthy videos, anything more may be a waste of money.

Comparison shop

Before calling your provider in an effort to cut your bill, take a
look around the Web to see what specials are available from all the
providers in your area, including cable, satellite, DSL and fiber-
optic service. Sites including WhiteFence.com can help consumers
compare rates for services side by side, but Consumer Reports
recommends also going to the companies' own sites to check for the
best deals.

It's a good idea to ask a customer representative if the price that is
quoted is the best available offer. Sometimes representatives of the
same company can even quote different rates, according to the Consumer
Reports, so it might be wise to check back again.

"If you want to be sure about it, ask for a sample bill and make sure
it matches up," said Donato Vaccaro, associate director of survey
research for Consumer Reports National Research Center. Confirm taxes
and fees, as well as one-time expenses.

Do some haggling

It costs advertising dollars to reel in new customers, so often
companies will do what they can to keep existing customers happy.

Hedlund often tells this story: When he lost his job during the last
recession, he attempted to cancel a newspaper subscription. He was
told by the representative that he could receive the paper free for
three months; by the time that period was over, Hedlund already had
another job. He remained a subscriber.

These days, people may have more resistance getting a similar response
when they inquire about canceling service, Hedlund said, as companies
worry about their own bottom lines. But it doesn't hurt to ask.

Be armed with information about what competitors are offering and
indicate a willingness to switch. If there's a special rate for new
customers, don't be afraid to request the discount, Cunningham said.
"In this economic environment, much is lost for lack of asking," she
said.

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