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* The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2 - 8 messages, 6 authors
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* Walgreen printer cart refills - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Why I hate Washington Mutual (a rant) - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 3:17 am
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TOPIC: The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 3:40 am
From: "Chloe"
"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:XZUqi.29924$2v1.22147@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> I've done some more digging around, and it looks like there might actually
> be something to all this anti-income tax business. This link is to a
> video (almost 2 hours long) that I found quite curious.
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...80303867390173
>
>
> But then, I found this site:
> http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html#income
> which seems to answer many of the issues raised by the video. But then,
> I'm no lawyer, so maybe it does, maybe it doesn't . . . I dunno . . .
>
>
> What do y'all think about this? I can't tell if the anti-tax guys are
> crackpots or not, or if the IRS is the Great Satan.
Mull this over. What would happen if--legal or not--everyone suddenly quit
paying income tax?
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 5:20 am
From: "Don K"
"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:XZUqi.29924$2v1.22147@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>
> What do y'all think about this? I can't tell if the anti-tax guys are crackpots or not,
> or if the IRS is the Great Satan.
If they can find 12 people who thought OJ didn't kill anyone, then
you can find groups of people who will take any side of any issue
you can come up with, making seemingly logical arguments, yet ones
that are mutually exclusive and contradictive.
Personally I don't have a dog in this fight, so I haven't bothered to watch.
A casual google indicates that the issue revolves around claims that
the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified and so isn't part of the
Constitution.
Even if true, I bet there's lots of things in the past that weren't done
precisely right. What other wrongs should we take up and how far back
in history do you want to go?
Don
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 5:42 am
From: p.kootsookos@remove.ieee.org (Peter K.)
"Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> writes:
> A casual google indicates ...
As opposed to "A formal google indicates ..." ???
Sorry. Silliness overcame me.
--
"And he sees the vision splendid
of the sunlit plains extended
And at night the wondrous glory of the everlasting stars."
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 5:56 am
From: "Don K"
"Peter K." <p.kootsookos@remove.ieee.org> wrote in message
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> "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com> writes:
>
>> A casual google indicates ...
>
> As opposed to "A formal google indicates ..." ???
No, as opposed to a serious, more comprehensive search.
>
> Sorry. Silliness overcame me.
I feel your pain. I sometimes suffer from the same malady.
Don
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 6:50 am
From: Derald
"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>What do y'all think about this? I can't tell if the anti-tax guys are
>crackpots or not, or if the IRS is the Great Satan.
Have you considered "all of the above"?
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 8:31 am
From: Dennis
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:40:02 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com>
wrote:
>"Tockk" <tock1@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:XZUqi.29924$2v1.22147@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> What do y'all think about this? I can't tell if the anti-tax guys are
>> crackpots or not, or if the IRS is the Great Satan.
>
>Mull this over. What would happen if--legal or not--everyone suddenly quit
>paying income tax?
Our poor congressmen could no longer afford to build multimilloin
dollar bridges to empty islands in Alaska? :-)
Dennis (evil)
--
What government gives, it must first take away.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 9:53 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu
Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>A casual google indicates that the issue revolves around claims that
>the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified and so isn't part of the
>Constitution.
As I understand it, there's also an issue that the income tax was only
intended for unearned income, to landlords, stockholders, and so on.
Nick
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 11:12 am
From: "Don K"
<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:f8ign7$7la@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
> Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
>
>>A casual google indicates that the issue revolves around claims that
>>the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified and so isn't part of the
>>Constitution.
>
> As I understand it, there's also an issue that the income tax was only
> intended for unearned income, to landlords, stockholders, and so on.
>
Since Congress both makes the tax laws and funds the IRS to administer
them, it seems to me, if the laws were not being administered as intended,
they could quickly correct it.
Don
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TOPIC: Wii bit of help please???
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Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 4:47 am
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Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 5:43 am
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TOPIC: College books are a SCAM!
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 6:13 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <3pSqi.23$7A6.22@newsfe03.lga>,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> jes wrote:
>
> > On Jul 27, 9:10 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> >> Went to sell two books back that I paid $200
> >>
> >> They wouldn't buy one.....and the other book only
> >> wanted to give me $10 (hardback even)!
> >>
> >> Anyone steel them online? If yes.... what best place to
> >> do so? Tired of getting screwed
>
> Steel?
>
> > Just a note: college books are expensive because it's a narrow
> > consumer market. Not Harry Potter type sales.
> >
> > Although I've heard of an industry racket that publishers year after
> > year declare current textbooks obsolete, and it's imperative they be
> > replaced.
>
> Probably happens more often when the instructors require the latest edition
> (a new one every year) of their own books.
In many schools, that practice is banned. I work at a large university
and unless the instructor can show a compelling reason to use his or her
own book, it won't happen because its perceived as a conflict of
interest. The professor can use a book in development in a class he or
she teaches as handouts or in manuscript form or if no other comparable
book is available, but that's it.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 6:36 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <qwwqi.6231$GO6.420@newsfe21.lga>,
clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
> Heaps are probably OK, but it's widespread amongst the savvy that
> electronics are a sucker's seller game on eBay.
Really? Several years ago, a colleague at work bought a heavy duty HP
laser printer for the office off eBay for $800. The printer was used,
but sold as such, and a new one would have cost my department $4,000 at
the time, which was money we didn't have in our budget. That printer was
used heavily for a few years before it finally crapped out.
We really got our use out of it. I did jam several times, but our
hardware maintenance contractor was only too happy to put it under our
annual service contract for a few dollars a month, so we were able to
get a lot of use out of it before it got so bad that they printer repair
guy was fixing it more than it worked. We used it daily for around three
years before we replaced it with a new printer.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 11:33 am
From: clams casino
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>In article <qwwqi.6231$GO6.420@newsfe21.lga>,
> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Heaps are probably OK, but it's widespread amongst the savvy that
>>electronics are a sucker's seller game on eBay.
>>
>>
>
>Really? Several years ago, a colleague at work bought a heavy duty HP
>laser printer for the office off eBay for $800. The printer was used,
>but sold as such, and a new one would have cost my department $4,000 at
>the time, which was money we didn't have in our budget. That printer was
>used heavily for a few years before it finally crapped out.
>
>
>
People occasionally win lotteries too. That doesn't mean they aren't
sucker's games as well.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 8:23 am
From: throwitout
On Jul 29, 12:05 am, dalep <dale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I recently had my lexmark x75 carts refilled at walgreens and thay
> work great! I had to wait until the next day because I came in late in
> the day (after 9pm). As a result of this experience, at recent
> community garage sale event I saw another x75 and bought it ($5)
> thinking that at most I'll have to invest another $25 ($10 black and
> $15 for color) and then have what amounts to a brand new printer.
>
> Dale
No, a Lexmark printer, even if bought new, will always be a piece of
trash.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 8:44 am
From: Logan Shaw
throwitout wrote:
> On Jul 29, 12:05 am, dalep <dale...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> I recently had my lexmark x75 carts refilled at walgreens and thay
>> work great! I had to wait until the next day because I came in late in
>> the day (after 9pm). As a result of this experience, at recent
>> community garage sale event I saw another x75 and bought it ($5)
>> thinking that at most I'll have to invest another $25 ($10 black and
>> $15 for color) and then have what amounts to a brand new printer.
>>
>> Dale
>
> No, a Lexmark printer, even if bought new, will always be a piece of
> trash.
I don't know -- we had pretty good luck with this one at my last job:
http://www.lexmark.com/lexmark/product/home/423/0,6970,204816596_653293775_243391911_en,00.html
It printed really fast, it could do duplexing, hole punching, 11x17 paper,
it had a huge paper capacity (thousands of sheets), and a really huge output
capacity with multiple output trays. It wasn't perfect, but overall it was
pretty good.
- Logan
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TOPIC: Why I hate Washington Mutual (a rant)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 8:39 am
From: Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:06:24 -0700 Abe <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
:>>You seem to be over the top on this. You wanted to take out a very large
:>>sum of cash, that the bank either didn't have on hand when you wanted it
:>>or for some reason they felt very uncomfortable transferring that amount
:>>of cash to you. They lost a check order - whoopee. And you don't even
:>>know if it was actually the bank that lost the check order.
:>I disagree with cash on hand issue. I have worked in banking, even
:>small neighborhood branches, and 30 grand is nothing. Even the
:>smallest branches have many times that in the vault.
Perhaps if they get down to coins.
I recently got $5K or so from a CitiBank in Miami Beach - and a lot of it was
$50s (they ran out of $100s). $30K may have required a pile of $10s and $1s.
--
Binyamin Dissen <bdissen@dissensoftware.com>
http://www.dissensoftware.com
Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.
I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
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TOPIC: Backhoe or dozer rental
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 8:59 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com
Anyone ever rented and used a backhoe or bulldozer? I have some land
that I need to level and grade, and the price I was quoted was about
three times what I had expected. Looks like I could rent a dozer for
a week and pay only about 1/6th the cost of having the work done.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 10:41 am
From: Dennis
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:59:55 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>Anyone ever rented and used a backhoe or bulldozer? I have some land
>that I need to level and grade, and the price I was quoted was about
>three times what I had expected. Looks like I could rent a dozer for
>a week and pay only about 1/6th the cost of having the work done.
I've rented backhoes and Bobcats. Around here they go for $150-250
per day (small discount for weekly rental), depending on the actual
machine. Delivery is extra. Bulldozer rentals are available, but
less common here.
Have you ever operated this type of equipment? It could take some
time to get the hang of it -- it's not as easy as some of the pros
make it look (especially grading). I used to do excavation work 30
years ago as a summer job during college. It takes me a while to "get
back in the saddle" each time I decide to play in the dirt. It is
kind of fun, though. Big boys with big toys, and all...
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm behind the eight ball, ahead of the curve, riding the wave,
dodging the bullet and pushing the envelope. -George Carlin
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 11:51 am
From: "dfr"
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote
>> Anyone ever rented and used a backhoe or bulldozer? I have some land
>> that I need to level and grade, and the price I was quoted was about
>> three times what I had expected. Looks like I could rent a dozer for
>> a week and pay only about 1/6th the cost of having the work done.
> I've rented backhoes and Bobcats. Around here they go for $150-250
> per day (small discount for weekly rental), depending on the actual
> machine. Delivery is extra. Bulldozer rentals are available, but
> less common here.
> Have you ever operated this type of equipment? It could take some
> time to get the hang of it -- it's not as easy as some of the pros
> make it look (especially grading). I used to do excavation work 30
> years ago as a summer job during college. It takes me a while to "get
> back in the saddle" each time I decide to play in the dirt. It is
> kind of fun, though. Big boys with big toys, and all...
I used a road grader, literally, when doing the dirt initially.
I was a bit sceptical when the operation that provided it
said it was the right tool for the job, but they were right.
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TOPIC: 1969 lead gas additive? (substitute)
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Date: Sun, Jul 29 2007 9:07 am
From: "Roger Shoaf"
"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:f8fmvu$tib$1@aioe.org...
> We have purchased a 1969 Ford Econoline van. I was remembering that my
> Dad used to add some sort of lead substitude additive to an older vehicle.
> I think there were a couple of reasons for this:
>
> 1) the old vehicles would often combust too early on newer gas (less
power)
>
Set the timing to match the fuel and you can run regular no problem. If it
pings when you have your foot at full throttle, back off a bit.
> 2) the old vehicles depended on the lead to decrease engine wear
On a 69 Ford you will have no problem with unleaded, after all it has been
running on unleaded for almost 30 years.
>
> So, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if we should be using a lead
> substitute additive with the gas. Anyone? Thanks!
>
Don't waste your money. Unless you have some super high compression Ferrari
or something, don't even bother with "premium" gas. Also do not get
confused by the octane rating. If you look at the little yellow stickers on
the pump, it says R+M/2. The R is the research octane, and that is the
higher number, and the M is the method octane number.
In the old days, the research octane number was used as an advertising ploy
to depict the gasoline as something more than it was. A higher octane does
not translate to more energy to move your truck down the road. If your
truck pings under moderate acceleration, the timing needs to be retarded a
bit and it will run just fine.
--
Roger Shoaf
About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.
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