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* Gasoline "Boycott": The Next Generation - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7b5aa5d3dc9c38b8?hl=en
* For Sale: Premodded Consoles, Ori / Backup Games Plus Retro Stuff - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Discount WaTcHeS, Smet T-shirts, COOGI T-shirts, POLO T-shirts, LRG Jeans,
EDhardy Jeans, Evisu Jeans, etc - 1 messages, 1 author
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* run yo car on Water? - 7 messages, 5 authors
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* DTV Converter box major snafu in the US - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Are you Really Getting Vitamins in New Diet Coke Plus? - 2 messages, 2
authors
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* Take a hot shower w/o your water tank - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Gasoline "Boycott": The Next Generation
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jun 14 2008 10:35 pm
From: The Real Bev
Napoleon wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:31:59 -0700, The Real Bev
>>
>>Hey, I have Medicare and a Blue Cross supplement. I'm happy.
>
> Typical. I've got mine, the rest of you can go to hell.
I would have thought that was obvious. Should I use shorter words?
--
Cheers,
Bev
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poor old Lumpy died of cancer doesn't mean he should be written
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TOPIC: For Sale: Premodded Consoles, Ori / Backup Games Plus Retro Stuff
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 6:24 am
From: ben_lby@yahoo.com
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TOPIC: run yo car on Water?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 9:19 am
From: your name
http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
does this work?
--
If Evolution is out-lawed. Only the Out-laws will evolve.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 11:04 am
From: "Lou"
"your name" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-77BFFB.09194215062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
>
> does this work?
Of course not. You can extract hydrogen (and oxygen) from water, but doing
so requires more energy than you can get back from burning the hydrogen.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 12:12 pm
From: Derald
your name <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>does this work?
AKA "brown's gas".... Ain't that whut comes out ol' Jimmie's mouf?
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 1:49 pm
From: Al Bundy
Lou wrote:
> "your name" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewkspam-77BFFB.09194215062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
> >
> > does this work?
> Of course not. You can extract hydrogen (and oxygen) from water, but doing
> so requires more energy than you can get back from burning the hydrogen.
A couple years ago, GM was testing cars running on a mixture of water
and naphthalene. It had approval for ultra low emissions certification
and the testing was being done in Arizona. GM said they abandoned the
development because of freezing problems. I have heard nothing about
it since.
It is puzzling that the collective knowledge of the world cannot come
up with something better than oil. As you say, it takes more energy to
break down the water than you get, but that's because we have not
unlocked a technique that works.There is tremendous energy in chemical
bonds that could be release if we figured out how.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 2:04 pm
From: your name
In article
<e6bf9b54-d24b-4d0a-8ce5-8d22108485f5@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> Lou wrote:
> > "your name" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> > news:georgewkspam-77BFFB.09194215062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > > http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
> > >
> > > does this work?
> > Of course not. You can extract hydrogen (and oxygen) from water, but doing
> > so requires more energy than you can get back from burning the hydrogen.
>
> A couple years ago, GM was testing cars running on a mixture of water
> and naphthalene. It had approval for ultra low emissions certification
> and the testing was being done in Arizona. GM said they abandoned the
> development because of freezing problems. I have heard nothing about
> it since.
> It is puzzling that the collective knowledge of the world cannot come
> up with something better than oil. As you say, it takes more energy to
> break down the water than you get, but that's because we have not
> unlocked a technique that works.There is tremendous energy in chemical
> bonds that could be release if we figured out how.
down the road they use Solar generated electricity to break the bond.
It looks promising . Can you wait?
--
If Evolution is out-lawed. Only the Out-laws will evolve.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 2:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote
> Lou wrote
>> your name <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote
>>> http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
>>> does this work?
>> Of course not. You can extract hydrogen (and oxygen) from water, but doing
>> so requires more energy than you can get back from burning the hydrogen.
> A couple years ago, GM was testing cars running on a mixture of water and naphthalene.
Hare brained compared with natural oils which can be used in any diesel engine.
> It had approval for ultra low emissions certification and the testing was being done
> in Arizona. GM said they abandoned the development because of freezing problems.
Hardly surprising.
> I have heard nothing about it since.
> It is puzzling that the collective knowledge of the world
> cannot come up with something better than oil.
Nope, no magic wands to wave to do anything about the fundamentals.
> As you say, it takes more energy to break down the water than you
> get, but that's because we have not unlocked a technique that works.
You cant do anything about the basic physics and chemistry.
>There is tremendous energy in chemical bonds that could be release if we figured out how.
We already did, thats why gasoline is such a viable transport fuel.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 2:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
your name <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> In article
> <e6bf9b54-d24b-4d0a-8ce5-8d22108485f5@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>> "your name" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
>>> news:georgewkspam-77BFFB.09194215062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>>> http://www.runsyourcarwithwater.com/
>>>>
>>>> does this work?
>>> Of course not. You can extract hydrogen (and oxygen) from water,
>>> but doing so requires more energy than you can get back from
>>> burning the hydrogen.
>>
>> A couple years ago, GM was testing cars running on a mixture of water
>> and naphthalene. It had approval for ultra low emissions
>> certification and the testing was being done in Arizona. GM said
>> they abandoned the development because of freezing problems. I have
>> heard nothing about it since.
>> It is puzzling that the collective knowledge of the world cannot come
>> up with something better than oil. As you say, it takes more energy
>> to break down the water than you get, but that's because we have not
>> unlocked a technique that works.There is tremendous energy in
>> chemical bonds that could be release if we figured out how.
>
> down the road they use Solar generated electricity to break the bond.
> It looks promising .
Hydrogen from nukes is much more promising.
> Can you wait?
Dont need to wait.
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TOPIC: DTV Converter box major snafu in the US
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 9:28 am
From: Dennis
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:40:54 -0500, Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
> I was attempting to describe a picture that is unnaturally bright,
>"sharp", hard-edged and gritty. Interference and diffraction eliminate
>hard edges in visual reality (although, in many situations, the brain
>provides them) while they are present in virtually all graphics,
>regardless of medium. Their presence is one of the visual cues that we
>use to differentiate between real and make-believe. For some reason,
>some people seem to want their teevees to look "better" than real which,
>I suppose, explains the spectre of misadjusted, garishly oversaturated,
>contrasty color sets that one encounters in living rooms everywhere.
Most sets come, inexplicably, adjusted to these qualities from the
factory. Contrast and sharpness cranked way up. Even if they're not,
most salesdweebs set them up this way for floor demos. It took a
couple days of fiddling with the settings to get my HD plasma set to
display a picture to my liking.
> I had always thought the inherent technical superiority of digital
>broadcasting was that it requires no bandwidth, resulting in greater
>signal propagation with far less power required.
> Not particularly interested in cable, satellite, video disks, etc.
>I just want DW to be able to watch y&r with a minimum of crabbing about
>yet another technological "advance" that really has done nothing from
>this end-user's POV except provide another buying opportunity. In the
>best of all possible worlds, the loss of teevee broadcast signal would
>provide the impetus to remove the slime chute from my daily environment
>and, who knows, it may.
More bad news: most daytime broadcast shows are still SD, so they look
pretty lame on yer shiny new HDTV (even after it is adjusted). Maybe
this will change by/after 02/09.
Dennis (evil)
--
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 9:34 am
From: Dennis
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:29:09 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Dennis wrote:
>
>> Why is it that I have this nagging suspicion that if the coupons could
>> be used to buy beer or cigarettes instead, these same people wouldn't
>> have any problem redeeming them? ;-)
>
>Probably the same people who have problems with rebates :-(
>
>> I got my coupon in mid-March -- the expiration date was clearly noted.
>> I redeemed it for a convertor at Radio Shack a couple weeks ago. There
>> was a stack of the convertors on display. I've also seen some on
>> display at the local WalMart.
>
>Walmart has the best deal, but Best Buy also has some. I think there's
>a list of approved stores on the website.
I know it's just a name that has been sold back and forth among many
manufacturers, but I still have trouble buying anything stamped
Maggotbox. Several of the online reviews I read gave slightly better
ratings to the DigitalStream box from RadioShack. It's only ten bucks
more.
Dennis (evil)
--
What government gives, it must first take away.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 10:54 am
From: Logan Shaw
Derald wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you referring to phenomenon....
> No; I think you are describing classic aliasing raised to the enth
> power: Basically, missing information. Aliasing occurs anytime that
> inherently analog natural phenomena are digitized. For example, aliasing
> is what makes music CDs sound gritty and harsh. Aliasing is influenced
> by sampling rate, bit depth and data transmission rate, which often is
> erroneously called, "bandwidth".
I think what you're talking about is actually quantization, not aliasing,
but in any case what I was talking about is something different.
In digital TV, the picture is first digitized. Then the already-digital
data is compressed using an algorithm such as MPEG. (There are other
algorithms, but MPEG is very common, so I'll ignore the others.) MPEG
is lossy, which means that the decompression process doesn't restore all
the digital data that went into the compression process. One of the
things that MPEG does, in simple terms, is it breaks the picture down
into blocks. These blocks are larger than the size of a pixel; in fact,
they are 8 pixels wide by 8 pixels tall. And if the algorithm is cranked
down to try to achieve maximum compression (thus lowest cost of storing
and transmitting the data), these 8x8 blocks will be very, very obvious.
Pictures where the image is relatively still, like landscapes, are less
affected because they require less information to transmit (not as many
things changing at once) and fewer compromises are necessary to squeeze
the information into the available space. But with something like
sports, a lot of bad compromises have to be made by the MPEG encoder
to encode the picture. There is just too much information to cram in,
and some really important information gets thrown away, and thats when
the 8x8 blocks become obvious and in fact quite obnoxious.
> I was attempting to describe a picture that is unnaturally bright,
> "sharp", hard-edged and gritty. Interference and diffraction eliminate
> hard edges in visual reality (although, in many situations, the brain
> provides them) while they are present in virtually all graphics,
> regardless of medium.
Ah, it sounds like you are talking about something which is kind of
like film grain. If so, it turns out MPEG causes this as well.
You'll notice there is a lot of gritty stuff around hard edges. For
example, look at the hard edges of lettering. Or look at any sharply
delineated line. What's happening is that MPEG is trying to capitalize
on the fact that adjacent pixels are *usually* similar in brightness
(and hue and saturation) to each other. It takes less information to
represent a picture if you can do this. The problem is that when there
are sharp transitions along the vertical or horizontal axis, this
assumption breaks down. MPEG doesn't usually get it right. If you
look a few pixels out from the sharp edges, you will sometimes even
see an "echo" of the color transition. In almost all cases, you will
notice that the smooth areas are smooth, except for the areas near the
sharp transitions; these smooth areas are extra-grainy.
Again, 90% of these imperfections are a result of compromises in the
name of saving bandwidth, and thus money. MPEG can do pretty well given
reasonable constraints.
> Their presence is one of the visual cues that we
> use to differentiate between real and make-believe. For some reason,
> some people seem to want their teevees to look "better" than real which,
> I suppose, explains the spectre of misadjusted, garishly oversaturated,
> contrasty color sets that one encounters in living rooms everywhere.
Yes, I don't get why people like that, but they do. Perhaps it's for
the same reason that some people do that in the real world when they
wear way too much makeup. :-) At any rate, this can be really bad
on an analog TV as well. If you turn up the "color" knob really high,
you'll notice that the reds especially start to get really spasmodic.
I'm not an expert, but I believe you can actually overload some of the
circuits in your TV so that you get distortion in the reds akin to
what a distortion pedal does to an electric guitar. At any rate, it's
not very natural looking.
Getting back to digital TV, one of the weakness of LCDs is that they
don't really produce very good color, even when adjusted properly.
An LCD panel is really just a big sheet of millions of computer-controlled
shutters, so the quality of color they produce is dependent on the quality
of light coming through those shutters. And most LCD panels use fluorescent
lights for the backlight. So the quality of light from the LCD panel
is going to be inferior for the same reason that the quality of light
from a fluorescent bulb is inferior to an incandescent one. Some
manufacturers have models with LED backlights, and those are better,
but you're still starting with a source of light that isn't that great.
> I had always thought the inherent technical superiority of digital
> broadcasting was that it requires no bandwidth, resulting in greater
> signal propagation with far less power required.
There are a couple of areas where digital has advantages for broadcasting
TV signals. One is that it can correct for errors. You can send out a
bunch of bits that bear the actual information you want to send, and then
you can send out some additional bits that are there purely for error
detection and correction. If the receiver receives some of the main
signal wrong, it can draw on the additional information and reconstruct
the exact bits that it should have received. Up to a point. Eventually
its capacity to correct for problems gets completely overwhelmed and
then it fails catastrophically.
Another advantage is that once you have digital data, you can use lossy
compression algorithms, like MPEG, to save on bandwidth needs. You can
cut your bandwidth needs by a factor of 10 sometimes, and that's pretty
significant.
Also, better propagation is supposed to be an advantage of ATSC over
NTSC. From what I understand, it doesn't require as much power at the
transmitter to cover roughly the same area.
> Not particularly interested in cable, satellite, video disks, etc.
> I just want DW to be able to watch y&r with a minimum of crabbing about
> yet another technological "advance" that really has done nothing from
> this end-user's POV except provide another buying opportunity. In the
> best of all possible worlds, the loss of teevee broadcast signal would
> provide the impetus to remove the slime chute from my daily environment
> and, who knows, it may.
Well, you have every right not to be infatuated with technology!
Nevertheless, I personally think HDTV is a welcome change. I don't mind
paying a few bucks for a newer TV eventually, even though I will probably
mainly use it for watching movies (as I do now). I will, however, wait
until the prices come down. As impressive as some of these 52" flat
panel TVs are, I'm still not spending $3500 on one. Now, when a really
good TV like that hits $1000, then I might bite. My 27" plain old tube
TV was $300 about 7 years ago when I got it, so I don't think it's
unreasonable to spend $1000 for, if nothing else, a screen that's over
twice as big.
- Logan
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TOPIC: Are you Really Getting Vitamins in New Diet Coke Plus?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 12:39 pm
From: unow@example.com
Most anything labled "plus" is a scam.
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:15:53 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>D. wrote:
>> A closer examination of Diet Coke Plus shows that it is the standard
>> Coke product with the addition of a very small amount of nutritional
>> supplementation (B6, B12, niacin, zinc, and magnesium).
>
>Seems like exactly what I'd expect from a product called "Diet Coke Plus".
>I'd expect it to be like regular Diet Coke but with some small thing
>added to it. And in fact that's what it is, Diet Coke plus a few
>vitamins.
>
>> These five
>> ingredients are present in this drink at an absurdly small level, most
>> likely due to cost. There's about a penny's worth of these ingredients
>> in a can of Diet Coke Plus (my guess).
>
>It could be cost.
>
>It could also be that some people drink more than one soft drink a day.
>If you make the levels in one can too high, the people who drink several
>cans will get too much of the vitamins, and some vitamins are harmful
>when you get too much of them. So to me, the levels of about 10-15%
>of the recommended daily amount seem like just about the right levels.
>
>It could also be taste. When I tried it, it seemed to taste just a
>little different from regular Diet Coke. If I wasn't just imagining
>that and if they doubled the amounts, it might taste a LOT different.
>
>> Is this going to mean that Coke drinkers are suddenly going to start
>> to be a lot healthier? I don't think it will make any difference at
>> all for most people--certainly not enough of a health difference to
>> overcome the health COST of drinking all those artificial sweeteners.
>> What it WILL do, however, is cause some people to grab a Diet Coke
>> when they might have instead enjoyed something more healthy, perhaps a
>> spring water or juice drink.
>
>Since most Americans are overweight, Diet Coke is probably a lot
>healthier for them than a juice drink. The reason is simple: aspartame
>has not even conclusively been shown to cause any problem, but being
>overweight *has* conclusively been linked to diabetes, heart disease,
>stroke, high blood pressure, and about a hundred other ailments from
>skin conditions to joint problems.
>
>> In short, it's a marketing gimmick, pure and simple.
>
>Well, yeah. But considering it's exactly the same cost as regular
>Diet Coke, if you already drink Diet Coke and want the extra vitamins
>it provides, I say go ahead and drink it.
>
> - Logan
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 3:25 pm
From:
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>
>>> What it WILL do, however, is cause some people to grab a Diet Coke
>>> when they might have instead enjoyed something more healthy, perhaps a
>>> spring water or juice drink.
Juice is never a healthy choice. It's got all the fructose and none of the
fiber. Eat a piece of fruit and skip the juice.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jun 15 2008 1:55 pm
From: Al Bundy
Cheapo Groovo wrote:
> Just use a solar/camp shower in the summer
> http://store.sundancesolar.com/sosh5ga.html
>
If it's warm enough, just go out in the rain. Please keep that Speedo
on though.
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