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* how many repairs in a year before something is considered a lemon?? - 1
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* I want to get rid of my landline but... - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/321423bed679947e?hl=en
* Wireless printers - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/adadf76d6195fd3b?hl=en
* Cataract surgery... DO NOT WIGGLE YOUR EYE! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/fd76d4f52dfc7dae?hl=en
* Do cyclists suffer from traumatic stress disorder? - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/86b3784bd3d571db?hl=en
* Looking for Recipe conversion - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/31a5d15b8acd7973?hl=en
* Bike Safari Tours in Miami Beach and beyond? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6abf2b2ad6c27b1e?hl=en
* Wall Street Journal article (by Kay Hymowitz) and responses - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/fddb333d8b82b9a7?hl=en
* University Medical Center Tucson Advertising - 3 messages, 3 authors
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TOPIC: how many repairs in a year before something is considered a lemon??
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 8 2011 9:47 pm
From: jaygreg
Though Rheem is privately held, it's a big company. Big companies
usually try to run well which means they care about their reputation and
they try to establish clear lines of authority and responsibility within
their structure.
Writing to an executive in a polite but firm fashion often brings
positive results. Corporations don't know who you know or how
influential you may be. When your letter hits their office with their
name on it, their staff is usually (not always) trained to give the
mater higher priority than it would normally receive if it landed
directly on a Customer Service desk. Choose an executive who likely to
be straddling two fences; that of a chief executive but one who has to
have a good knowledge of details of his outfit. Here's my choice for the
company that made your products:
Mr. Chris Peel - CEO & Senior VP
Rheem Manufacturing
1100 Abernathy Road NE
Suite 1400
Atlanta, GA 30328
770-351-3000
I would "stroke" the company by commenting on what the name meant to you
(big, respectable), explain the number of service calls, hint that the
product is inferior and not in line with the Rheem reputation, (was the
product dropped or mishandled in transit... in the warehouse), and
explain you've lost confidence. You paid with whole dollars and you
deserve a whole product. The one you received is less than whole. They
need to "make it right".
Good luck.
(another "Ohioguy")
On 3/4/2011 7:50 PM, Ohioguy wrote:
> If you've spent roughly $5k on a new furnace/heat pump that is supposed
> to pay for itself with lower electricity, at what point (how many repair
> calls) would the heat pump unit be considered a "lemon"?
>
> We have had the company who installed the Rheem furnace (and 'Weather
> King' heat pump - which is a Rheem subsidiary) out about 5 times in the
> year since it was installed. Each time the issue turns out to be that
> the coolant has leaked out of the unit. The unit actually had this
> problem right at the start - there was a crack that was determined to be
> a manufacturing defect, and they had to come out within a week or so to
> fix that and fill it back up with r412.
>
> Recently I found out that the heat pump hasn't been engaging for some
> time. Obviously it wouldn't on the coldest days, (roughly 30F or lower)
> but even on the warmer days I saw that it wasn't working. When our
> electric bill came in at about $180 more than I was expecting, I sat up
> and took notice, and finally realized it wasn't just an issue of the
> extra cold winter that was causing the heat pump not to run.
>
> So the guy came out about a week and a half ago, determined that it was
> another leak - no coolant left. I asked him at that point when the
> company would consider it a lemon, and replace the unit. He laughed, and
> said they don't replace them - they just keep sending him out to fix it.
> (that was NOT reassuring) He fixed it yesterday, and the 'fix' went bad
> in less than 16 hours. No working heat pump today. No fan, despite it
> being up near 50 degrees. Nada.
>
> What are my options? Should I just keep putting up with the thing
> conking out, and hope they eventually get it right? I'm really starting
> to suspect that the thing is really a piece of junk. At this point I
> would never recommend that anyone install a Rheem or Weather King heat
> pump, due to all of these continuing problems.
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TOPIC: I want to get rid of my landline but...
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 12:56 am
From: sf
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:22:52 -0500, Metspitzer <kilowatt@charter.net>
wrote:
> Google Voice gives free unlimited long distance by ringing your home
> phone. You have to have a land line.
No, you don't. I don't have a land line, but if I wanted Google Voice
calls routed to my cell - it can be done. I prefer using it via the
computer, that way I don't use up cell phone minutes.
>
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Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 1:02 am
From: sf
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC), Gordon
<gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> No. PagePlus uses the Verizon Wireless cell phone network. You
> are roaming anytime you are off that network. You could be
> in New York on the Verizon network and _not_ be roaming.
One of the big reasons why we're with Verizon is the free roaming.
It's expensive when you get socked with it.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 3:57 am
From: bob haller
On Mar 9, 4:02 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC), Gordon
>
> <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> > No. PagePlus uses the Verizon Wireless cell phone network. You
> > are roaming anytime you are off that network. You could be
> > in New York on the Verizon network and _not_ be roaming.
>
> One of the big reasons why we're with Verizon is the free roaming.
> It's expensive when you get socked with it.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
well net 10 at 50 bucks per month unlimited everything voice, 411,
picture and text messages, and even unlimited internet..
no roaming ever, it uses the AT&T network which around pittsburgh is
better than verizons.
way fewer dead spots and drop outs.....
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TOPIC: Wireless printers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 1:08 am
From: sf
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 00:32:16 -0800 (PST), aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Are they worth the extra cost?
>
> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
They really are not very expensive. They aren't giving them away at
the cheapest prices that they're giving away the wired kind... but
sheesh. Watch the sales and you won't break the bank.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 2:55 pm
From: Sudarshan Karkada
On Mar 8, 2:32 am, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are they worth the extra cost?
>
> Or am I better off saving a bit of money by buying the wired version?
I recently bought Epson WorkForce 630 from Amazon for $65. It was
definitely worth it. Setup was so easy and simple that I am pleasantly
surprised. I didn't think building a wireless device that is easy to
install and simple to setup was possible, but Epson opened my eyes :)
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TOPIC: Cataract surgery... DO NOT WIGGLE YOUR EYE!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 1:06 am
From: sf
On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:28:14 -0800 (PST), phil scott
<phil@philscott.net> wrote:
> they strapped me onto the sit up/ fold flat barbers chair thing with
> my hands tied down so I couldnt fight back.... and then the doc
> hovered over my face and said... 'stop moving yer eye'
That's total BS.
--
Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 4:00 am
From: bob haller
On Mar 9, 4:06 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:28:14 -0800 (PST), phil scott
>
> <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> > they strapped me onto the sit up/ fold flat barbers chair thing with
> > my hands tied down so I couldnt fight back.... and then the doc
> > hovered over my face and said... 'stop moving yer eye'
>
> That's total BS.
>
> --
>
> Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
i believe they give you paralytic drugs, they couldnt depend on
someone not moving.
i have a friend scheduled for catract surgery he has talked to people
that have gone thru it,
30 minute procedure, no pain no fuss, just take it easy for a few
day / week...
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TOPIC: Do cyclists suffer from traumatic stress disorder?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 4:12 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 8, 11:53 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 07:14:59 -0800 (PST), Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Mar 7, 7:43 pm, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
> >wrote:
> >>snip<
> >> I too have to wonder if someone's attitude is a contributing factor.
> >> I don't believe that I have ever had a vehicle purposely "target" me.
> >> That would, after all, constitute attempted murder and whoever is the
> >> "target" should have surely called the police.
>
> >> Perhaps a new avocation for recreation for this person is in order.
>
> >> To claim PTSD because of ones OWN lack of respect for other drivers is
> >> asking a bit much. And to place ANY sort of riding experiences into
> >> the same realm of military combat is, again, ludicrous.
>
> >I'm not "claiming" PTSD, I have it and have had it for almost a decade
> >now. And to quote one of the cops that used to "shadow" my return
> >commute when I was working 2nd shift, "Son, you are an idiot magnet."
> >Drivers lose their minds when they see me on "their" roads, even when
> >I'm 100% within the law doing exactly what I'm required to do by law.
> >And again, I have been in combat, and I ride a bike in a suburban
> >environment. I felt safer in actual combat, I had a real helmet (steel
> >pot) and something to shoot back with (after they let us carry live
> >ammo).
>
> >And I don't ride for recreation, I ride to get places, do shopping, go
> >to church. Things people "normally" do I do riding my bike. Including
> >grocery shopping for the week, you know "normal" stuff. I'm not out
> >there doing stunts in the middle of the road, I'm just trying to live
> >a normal suburban life, except without a car. The fact that when
> >people aren't trying to kill me I enjoy going places on my bike
> >doesn't make it recreation, it just makes my mode of transportation
> >"better" than other modes for my purposes.
>
> I will no longer respond to any more of your asinine comments. You go
> right ahead and believe that people in cars are "targeting" you and
> that your PTSD is enhanced by riding a bicycle.
>
> It's jerks like you that give other ridersa bad name as YOU are the
> one that, in all likelihood, is being the jerk when you ride.
It ain't only him. ALL AMERICANS who ride on sidewalks or stay away
from cycling or take their bikes in the car to the launching place are
in fear of drivers. And that's probably 95% of Americans.
You reaction is very typical of rape victims as well: blame the
victims.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 4:15 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 8, 10:11 pm, Peter Keller <m...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:24:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
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> > On 07/03/2011 23:52, Peter Keller wrote:
> >> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:24:51 +0000, Judith wrote:
>
> >>> Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors".
> >>> (Daily Mail)
>
> >> They make fucking awful donors.
>
> > Now now, Peter, you know full well that Judith is trying desperately to
> > make that true by repeating it, in lieu of it being actually, you know,
> > true.
>
> I know that.
>
> I also know a certain A. Hitler used the same technique in the 30's and
> 40's. But the scary thing is, he was rather successful for a while. So
> successful that about 40M people died..
>
> Maybe that is what the Judy wants.
At least the Nazis never looked down on cyclists. ;)
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 9:45 am
From: Opus
On Mar 8, 10:49 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
wrote:
>snip<
> What you "claimed" was that riding a bike was the root cause of your
> PTSD. You did NOT mention that you already HAD it.
>
> Say, maybe that's part of your own problem when these people in cars
> "target" you.
>
> As for the police "shadowing" you? Ever think that the reason is that
> someone has called them to complain about YOUR actions?
You either have a poor memory, or you came late to the party, so let
me enlighten you. On the very early morning of August 31, 2001 I was
riding home from my 2nd shift job as a computer help desk operator. As
I entered the city limits of the town I live in a person driving a
white pickup truck the other way yelled out the window for me to get
of the (fornicating) road, Which is pretty much the last thing I
remember before waking up in the ambulance telling the punchline to a
bad joke about getting hit by a truck, because it was too late in the
day for the buses to be running. What witnesses later claimed was the
guy went down a couple cut-throughs on the median and made a u-turn,
then floored it and came back to hit me from behind at somewhere
between 45 and 65 MPH. Naturally this caused massive amounts of blunt
trauma and broken bones, and in spite of wearing a helmet (magic foam
hat) I had a minor bit of brain damage. Anyway I did nothing to
provoke this attack except riding my bike on the only way between my
job and my house after work. I had several routes I took home but all
of them had to run through this point about 5 miles from my home.
THAT'S why I have PTSD.
As for why the police "shadowed" me I have no idea what the initial
cause was, but the reason they continued was because drivers would do
really stupid things when they were around me, like turn right from
the left turn lane before the light changed, and there were frequent
drunk drivers on that route, I saw several of them pulled over as I
rode home after midnight. It was so bad that there would actually be
disputes about who could cover my commute home on a particular night,
and I would see cop cars waiting for me to pass as I went from one
jurisdiction to another once the word got around. Unfortunately the
town I live in was not one of those towns where the cops "shadowed" my
commute, and that was where I got hit, less than 1/2 mile from the
city limits. Before that though I would have an incident of a driver
passing too close, up to and including an incident where I was hit by
a passenger-side mirror, things thrown at me from moving vehicles, and
frequent verbal threats of violence from drivers and passengers in
motor vehicles, all in the town where I live in the last 5 miles of my
commute.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 10:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Mar 9, 12:45 pm, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 8, 10:49 am, Harry Brogan <hbroga...@NOSPAMyahooNOSPAM.com>
> wrote:
>
> >snip<
> > What you "claimed" was that riding a bike was the root cause of your
> > PTSD. You did NOT mention that you already HAD it.
>
> > Say, maybe that's part of your own problem when these people in cars
> > "target" you.
>
> > As for the police "shadowing" you? Ever think that the reason is that
> > someone has called them to complain about YOUR actions?
>
> You either have a poor memory, or you came late to the party, so let
> me enlighten you. On the very early morning of August 31, 2001 I was
> riding home from my 2nd shift job as a computer help desk operator. As
> I entered the city limits of the town I live in a person driving a
> white pickup truck the other way yelled out the window for me to get
> of the (fornicating) road, Which is pretty much the last thing I
> remember before waking up in the ambulance telling the punchline to a
> bad joke about getting hit by a truck, because it was too late in the
> day for the buses to be running. What witnesses later claimed was the
> guy went down a couple cut-throughs on the median and made a u-turn,
> then floored it and came back to hit me from behind at somewhere
> between 45 and 65 MPH. Naturally this caused massive amounts of blunt
> trauma and broken bones, and in spite of wearing a helmet (magic foam
> hat) I had a minor bit of brain damage. Anyway I did nothing to
> provoke this attack except riding my bike on the only way between my
> job and my house after work. I had several routes I took home but all
> of them had to run through this point about 5 miles from my home.
> THAT'S why I have PTSD.
>
> As for why the police "shadowed" me I have no idea what the initial
> cause was, but the reason they continued was because drivers would do
> really stupid things when they were around me, like turn right from
> the left turn lane before the light changed, and there were frequent
> drunk drivers on that route, I saw several of them pulled over as I
> rode home after midnight. It was so bad that there would actually be
> disputes about who could cover my commute home on a particular night,
> and I would see cop cars waiting for me to pass as I went from one
> jurisdiction to another once the word got around. Unfortunately the
> town I live in was not one of those towns where the cops "shadowed" my
> commute, and that was where I got hit, less than 1/2 mile from the
> city limits. Before that though I would have an incident of a driver
> passing too close, up to and including an incident where I was hit by
> a passenger-side mirror, things thrown at me from moving vehicles, and
> frequent verbal threats of violence from drivers and passengers in
> motor vehicles, all in the town where I live in the last 5 miles of my
> commute.
And on top of it all, Texas is one of those states the repealed the 3
feet law, which we enjoy as if it meant anything. It means nothing,
except --perhaps-- liability. No one will ever know for sure --except
God, if he cares or exists-- if those cars are passing you 3 1/2 feet
or 2 1/2 feet. Some of them do roar the motor to let you know they
ain't happy and that adds to the Traumatic and Permanent Stress. Yes,
unlike a war, you must live under that stress forever.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 12:58 pm
From: "Just zis Guy, you know?"
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On 09/03/2011 03:11, Peter Keller wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:24:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>> On 07/03/2011 23:52, Peter Keller wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:24:51 +0000, Judith wrote:
>>>> Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors".
>>>> (Daily Mail)
>>>>
>>> They make fucking awful donors.
>>
>> Now now, Peter, you know full well that Judith is trying desperately to
>> make that true by repeating it, in lieu of it being actually, you know,
>> true.
>
> I know that.
>
> I also know a certain A. Hitler used the same technique in the 30's and
> 40's. But the scary thing is, he was rather successful for a while. So
> successful that about 40M people died..
>
> Maybe that is what the Judy wants.
Leaving aside the Godwin element, the "lie repeated often enough becomes
the truth" idea that Judith believes so fervently was Lenin, not Hitler.
Hitler's one was the "Große Lüge" (Big Lie).
- --
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Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 2:49 pm
From: Peter Keller
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:58:40 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
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> On 09/03/2011 03:11, Peter Keller wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 17:24:21 +0000, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2011 23:52, Peter Keller wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:24:51 +0000, Judith wrote:
>>>>> Members of the medical profession refer to cyclists as "donors".
>>>>> (Daily Mail)
>>>>>
>>>> They make fucking awful donors.
>>>
>>> Now now, Peter, you know full well that Judith is trying desperately
>>> to make that true by repeating it, in lieu of it being actually, you
>>> know, true.
>>
>> I know that.
>>
>> I also know a certain A. Hitler used the same technique in the 30's and
>> 40's. But the scary thing is, he was rather successful for a while.
>> So successful that about 40M people died..
>>
>> Maybe that is what the Judy wants.
>
> Leaving aside the Godwin element, the "lie repeated often enough becomes
> the truth" idea that Judith believes so fervently was Lenin, not Hitler.
> Hitler's one was the "Große Lüge" (Big Lie).
Thank you. I stand corrected. I knew I should have tried to stay awake
during history at school!
I also note that Lenin's "oft repeated lie" led directly or indirectly to
the deaths of millions in the famines and purges which followed the
establishment of the RFSFR and the Soviet Union.
So can we add Die Große Lüge to the Judithbot's armamentarium?
>
> - --
--
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TOPIC: Looking for Recipe conversion
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 6:15 am
From: anthona
I've googled to no luck looking for a recipe conversion area...all i
seem to get is conversion of measurements although i include in the
search recipes. Does anyone know of a website that can give me a
conversion of recipes that were made for 4 or 6 people, down to one or
two? Thanks
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 8:06 am
From: Michael Black
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, anthona wrote:
> I've googled to no luck looking for a recipe conversion area...all i
> seem to get is conversion of measurements although i include in the
> search recipes. Does anyone know of a website that can give me a
> conversion of recipes that were made for 4 or 6 people, down to one or
> two? Thanks
>
You divide down, unless there is something that shouldn't be divided
down.
The math is easy, I'm sure I've seen pocket calculators that will help you
do it, but knowing about the recipes and ingredients is another thing.
And any "conversion website" won't be dealing with that.
Michael
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 8:45 am
From: "Bill"
"anthona" wrote in message
> Does anyone know of a website that can give me a
> conversion of recipes that were made for 4 or 6 people, down to one
> or
> two?
>
http://www.basic-mathematics.com
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 9:10 am
From: Derald
"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"anthona" wrote in message
>> Does anyone know of a website that can give me a
>> conversion of recipes that were made for 4 or 6 people, down to one
>> or
>> two?
>>
>
>http://www.basic-mathematics.com
Cook much?
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TOPIC: Bike Safari Tours in Miami Beach and beyond?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 8:06 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
I'm disappointed but not surprised at all that people are not calling
about the SAFARI BICYCLE TOUR --Urban Jungle style.
Not too far from Miami --in the middle of the Everglades-- there's a
famous bike ride location: Shark Valley. Of course, there are no
sharks, just alligators, so people ride and see the reptilians basking
in the sun as well as harmless birds. I've never heard of an alligator
swallowing a cyclist, but I've heard of a driver or two trying to
swallow a cyclist. In other words, the Urban Jungle is where the
excitement is...
"Your options consist of a tram ride ($) or cycling ($ for rentals) a
paved path 7 miles to an observation tower, then 8 miles back along a
different track (also paved)."
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g143024-r6908058-Everglades_National_Park_Florida.html
***
For an extra fee, you can have the alligators dance for you. Just
kidding. ;)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 9:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
Now that I mention Shark Valley, that would be a nice ride from
downtown Miami IF IT WERE SAFE...
"This park is located on US 41 (Tamiami Trail) 35 miles from downtown
Miami, and 17.5 miles west of Florida Highway 997 (Krome Avenue)."
Imagine you go on a bike tour along Little Havana and beyond through
the Urban Jungle... Will you make it alive? Or will you just throw
yourself to the alligators in desperation?
"Strap you bike to the car and make your way out there, you will not
regret it !"
http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-shark-valley-visitor-center-at-everglades-national-park-miami
I wonder why it says "strap your bike to the car" and not "get on your
bike and go!"?
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TOPIC: Wall Street Journal article (by Kay Hymowitz) and responses
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/fddb333d8b82b9a7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 8:23 am
From: Lenona
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146321725889448.html
"Where Have The Good Men Gone?
"Kay S. Hymowitz argues that too many men in their 20s are living in a
new kind of extended adolescence."
And:
http://www.eyedrd.org/2011/02/wsj-letters-to-editor-regarding-to-where-have-the-good-men-gone.html
If a modern, successful woman wishes to know why men are such failures
these days ("Where Have the Good Men Gone?," Review, Feb. 19), perhaps
she should look in the mirror.
I'm a white male, heterosexual, Christian conservative Republican,
Vietnam veteran, married 38 years with four kids. When I was young, we
were supposed to get busy and stay busy, get part-time jobs, finish
high school and, if qualified, go on to college and beyond. We were
taught that it was our responsibility to take care of our families,
which meant a wife and kids. All that began to change in the 1960s
when women became "liberated" and were given equal access to what had
been a man's domain. Like it or not, there are only so many jobs to go
around. Given quotas, young men in the workplace no longer had an even
playing field.
There are many other factors contributing to young men being
overgrown post-pubescent losers: a lifetime of leftist, feminist
indoctrination in the schools, a cheapening of the proper meaning of
the male-female relationship and the suspension of the draft.
Miss Kay S. Hymowitz (I hate that phony term "Ms.") asks nothing
of women, so let me do the job for her: When are women going to accept
their God-given roles of being wives and mothers? Men and women are
different; let's keep it that way. Feminists may not like my
prescription, but then again, they don't like men from the get-go.
Andrew J. MacDonald, Fanwood, N.J.
I'm sure not most conservatives are this dense, but WHEN are the rest
of them going to take off the blinders and acknowledge that even if
every woman in the world WANTED to be a housewife, it would make not
the slightest difference in the fact that if a housewife loses her
husband (in any manner), she can't go down to the employment center
and apply for a new one?? Don't men like Andrew care about that?
Lenona.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 11:15 am
From: freeisbest
On Mar 9, 11:23 am, Lenona <lenona...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870440900457614632172588...
> "Where Have The Good Men Gone?
> "Kay S. Hymowitz argues that too many men in their 20s are living in a
> new kind of extended adolescence."
>
> And:
>
> http://www.eyedrd.org/2011/02/wsj-letters-to-editor-regarding-to-wher...
>
> If a modern, successful woman wishes to know why men are such failures
> these days ("Where Have the Good Men Gone?," Review, Feb. 19), perhaps
> she should look in the mirror.
>
> I'm a white male, heterosexual, Christian conservative Republican,
> Vietnam veteran, married 38 years with four kids. When I was young, we
> were supposed to get busy and stay busy, get part-time jobs, finish
> high school and, if qualified, go on to college and beyond. We were
> taught that it was our responsibility to take care of our families,
> which meant a wife and kids. All that began to change in the 1960s
> when women became "liberated" and were given equal access to what had
> been a man's domain. Like it or not, there are only so many jobs to go
> around. Given quotas, young men in the workplace no longer had an even
> playing field.
>
> There are many other factors contributing to young men being
> overgrown post-pubescent losers: a lifetime of leftist, feminist
> indoctrination in the schools, a cheapening of the proper meaning of
> the male-female relationship and the suspension of the draft.
>
> Miss Kay S. Hymowitz (I hate that phony term "Ms.") asks nothing
> of women, so let me do the job for her: When are women going to accept
> their God-given roles of being wives and mothers? Men and women are
> different; let's keep it that way. Feminists may not like my
> prescription, but then again, they don't like men from the get-go.
> Andrew J. MacDonald, Fanwood, N.J.
>
> I'm sure not most conservatives are this dense, but WHEN are the rest
> of them going to take off the blinders and acknowledge that even if
> every woman in the world WANTED to be a housewife, it would make not
> the slightest difference in the fact that if a housewife loses her
> husband (in any manner), she can't go down to the employment center
> and apply for a new one?? Don't men like Andrew care about that?
> Lenona.
They're not going to take the blinders off. Boys like Andrew
don't and won't conceptualize anything much outside themselves and of
course, what women owe them because they're male. He certainly isn't
going to notice that the entire society is set up to infantilize boys
and men; not when women are handy explanations for Everything That's
Wrong.
Andy's just the next step past the 28-year-old adolescents that
Hymowitz was writing about. Instead of living a totally selfish life
as an aging teenager, Andy managed to live a totally selfish life as a
married man with children. (Or not. He seems pretty bitter.)
As for his tagline -"they don't like men from the get-go"? Well,
he doesn't like women much, does he...
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TOPIC: University Medical Center Tucson Advertising
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5b79f4c9ea300020?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 1:19 pm
From: purdy
"Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bugged@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:atlas-bugged-A7FDAD.09444608032011@aries.ka.weretis.net:
> In article <il4isp$nfg$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
> unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov> wrote:
>
>> We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials
>
> Isn't that redundant?
No but this is:
Subject: University Medical Center Tucson Advertising
From: unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov>
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-
living,misc.education.medical,alt.support.diabetes
We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials here by Tucson
University of Arizona President Shelton extolling what
a great Hospital their University Medical Center is and
how great their doctors are.
I guess one sign of how great they are is my emailing about 5
surgeons/professors at the General Surgery Dept. of University Medical
Center in Tucson, not a ONE answered. They paste their email addresses
on their web site disingenuously and when someone
emails them they ignore the emails. I assume a surgeon
is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between spam
and legitimate email when the subject is quite clear and obviously
not spam.
In one case, I did get an answer from a SECRETARY. It seems
the Chief of Surgery's email address is really this
SECRETARY, rather dishonest imo to have an email address in
your name when a non-physician lay person is really behind
the email. She refused directly to give him my sent to HIS
name until it had passed her LAY opinion/worthiness test.
I guess they must get ALOT of complaints about doctors because she
automatically assumed I was writing about a complaint. Turns out
as the result of this surgeon closed door policy that UMC has lost
approx $15K. Doesn't really pay to stiff people until you know what
they are trying to tell you.
What a crock. If you don't answer your email don't
paste an email contact address on your website. And don't falsely and
dishonestly claim your email address in your name when it is being
answered by another person entirely, not even a doctor
in this case.
Shelton can keep screaming on late night TV about how
great University Medical Center is, because he will NEED to do
this to negate the reality of the situation.(One of the things I have
learned from "Looking Out for Number One" is that the louder they
proclaim what they are, you can pretty much assume the exact opposite is
true.)
Until recently UMC was so short of surgeons it was a dangerous
place to even go to for emergency surgery as reported by the Arizona
Daily Star. And with the addition of more surgeons I am not so sure it
is
still safe. In reading the papers here, I notice how many emergency
patients that should have survived die after being brought to UMC
hospital compared to other cities I have lived in. Very common to see
deaths from auto accidents here even when they arrive at the hospital in
the first critical hour.
My personal experience with having seen a specialist at University
Medical Center in Tucson is that they are all screwed up. This
specialist was rude, did not follow-up on test
results and made several quite incompetent orders, which I caught (lucky
for me-I would be alot sicker now if I had not). Also they have this
strange policy when you make an appointment with one doctor they send
some OTHER doctor/trainee to see you. This is
WITHOUT telling you they are going to do this in advance. So you spend
your time thinking you will be seen by the physician you selected, only
to be seen by someone else you don't know from Adam. They don't tell you
this in advance so it's a bait and switch operation. In this case the
original doctor was rather incompetent so it did not matter, I never saw
him again. I can see now why Shelton has to go on TV alot to proclaim
what a great facility UMC is and what great doctors they have there.
I guess if you tell a big lie often enough people will start to believe
it-least the people in Tucson, not known for the creme de la creme of
intellectual towns.
Considering how poor the USA medical system is, I cannot say
I am suprised by any of this. This sad state of USA medical care was all
exposed of course in the Michael Moore film Sicko. What I would give to
be a citizen of Western Europe where at least one is not bankrupted by
poor care as in the USA.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 2:59 pm
From: ElliotS
JakieLapetes <JakieLapetes@hotmail.com> wrote in news:il6rca$c8f$1
@news.albasani.net:
> unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov> wrote in
> news:il4isp$nfg$1@speranza.aioe.org:
>
>> We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials here by Tucson
>> University of Arizona President Shelton extolling what
>> a great Hospital their University Medical Center is and
>> how great their doctors are.
>>
>> I guess one sign of how great they are is my emailing about 5
>> surgeons/professors at the General Surgery Dept. of University
Medical
>> Center in Tucson, not a ONE answered. They paste their email
addresses
>> on their web site disingenuously and when someone
>> emails them they ignore the emails. I assume a surgeon
>> is smart enough to be able to tell the difference between spam
>> and legitimate email when the subject is quite clear and obviously
>> not spam.
>>
>> In one case, I did get an answer from a SECRETARY. It seems
>> the Chief of Surgery's email address is really this
>> SECRETARY, rather dishonest imo to have an email address in
>> your name when a non-physician lay person is really behind
>> the email. She refused directly to give him my sent to HIS
>> name until it had passed her LAY opinion/worthiness test.
>> I guess they must get ALOT of complaints about doctors because she
>> automatically assumed I was writing about a complaint. Turns out
>> as the result of this surgeon closed door policy that UMC has lost
>> approx $15K. Doesn't really pay to stiff people until you know what
>> they are trying to tell you.
>>
>> What a crock. If you don't answer your email don't
>> paste an email contact address on your website. And don't falsely and
>> dishonestly claim your email address in your name when it is being
>> answered by another person entirely, not even a doctor
>> in this case.
>>
>> Shelton can keep screaming on late night TV about how
>> great University Medical Center is, because he will NEED to do
>> this to negate the reality of the situation.(One of the things I have
>> learned from "Looking Out for Number One" is that the louder they
>> proclaim what they are, you can pretty much assume the exact opposite
>> is true.)
>>
>> Until recently UMC was so short of surgeons it was a dangerous
>> place to even go to for emergency surgery as reported by the Arizona
>> Daily Star. And with the addition of more surgeons I am not so sure
it
>> is still safe. In reading the papers here, I notice how many
emergency
>> patients that should have survived die after being brought to UMC
>> hospital compared to other cities I have lived in. Very common to see
>> deaths from auto accidents here even when they arrive at the hospital
>> in the first critical hour.
>>
>> My personal experience with having seen a specialist at University
>> Medical Center in Tucson is that they are all screwed up. This
>> specialist was rude, did not follow-up on test
>> results and made several quite incompetent orders, which I caught
>> (lucky for me-I would be alot sicker now if I had not). Also they
have
>> this strange policy when you make an appointment with one doctor they
>> send some OTHER doctor/trainee to see you. This is
>> WITHOUT telling you they are going to do this in advance. So you
spend
>> your time thinking you will be seen by the physician you selected,
>> only to be seen by someone else you don't know from Adam. They don't
>> tell you this in advance so it's a bait and switch operation. In this
>> case the original doctor was rather incompetent so it did not matter,
>> I never saw him again. I can see now why Shelton has to go on TV alot
>> to proclaim what a great facility UMC is and what great doctors they
>> have there. I guess if you tell a big lie often enough people will
>> start to believe it-least the people in Tucson, not known for the
>> creme de la creme of intellectual towns.
>>
>> Considering how poor the USA medical system is, I cannot say
>> I am suprised by any of this. This sad state of USA medical care was
>> all exposed of course in the Michael Moore film Sicko. What I would
>> give to be a citizen of Western Europe where at least one is not
>> bankrupted by poor care as in the USA.
>>
>
> USED to be that doctors who advertised were considered unprofessional.
> Now they are all over the tube like used car salesmen. Five times a
day
> we get commercials from doctors soliciting business for themselves or
> their clinics. What is the doctor's equivalent of the laywer's
ambulance
> chaser? Ambulance stopper?
>
My only experience with the Hospital there was when some records clerk
gave me a hard time when trying to get copies of my records,til I
contacted her supervisor and threatened a HIPAA complaint.
U of A. campus is filled with monitoring cameras everywhere so I guess
that goes along with the whole general idea of we are the Masters and
you are the Slaves kind of thinking. No suprise they think they are too
important to reply to his email. I never go to clinics that advertise
alot. If they have to advertise means their patient turnover is great
and that word of mouth is not working for them.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 9 2011 3:08 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article <8tocmoFuq1U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote
> >>> unimportantpatient <unimportantpatient@miserableUSA.gov> wrote
>
> >>>> We have been bombarded with spam TV commercials
>
> >>> Isn't that redundant?
>
> >> Nope, some information advertising isnt spam.
>
> > Name three
>
> My town advertises when there is free vaccination for kids.
Public Service Announcement.
>
> My town advertises when its close to the last day to pay your rates without
> incurring any penalty.
Public Service Announcement
>
> My town advertises the current water restrictions.
Public Service Announcement
>
> My state govt advertises when there are double demerits for important driving
> offences, normally during the major public holidays like Xmas and Eastern
> etc, with the first and last days of the double demerits. Those vary from
> year to year depending on when the public holiday falls with respect to the
> weekend etc.
Public Service Announcement
Now, name three Advertisements, you know the stuff that commercial enterprises do
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