Frugal Living: Mar 31, 2011

Thursday, March 31, 2011

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* Outrageous (operator assisted) phone charges - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e2bf0b6ebd705505?hl=en
* Who can believe in colonizing space but a Christian? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* adult hot photos&videos - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Non-stick pans - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* Do Christians have smaller brains? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/60c1ca6ce202fe1e?hl=en

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TOPIC: Outrageous (operator assisted) phone charges
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e2bf0b6ebd705505?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 29 2011 9:29 pm
From: Bill Bowden

On Mar 29, 7:22 pm, Mark Anderson <m...@nospambrandylion.com> wrote:
> In article bper...@bowdenshobbycircuits.info says...
>
> > I spoke with an operator who explained they used to advise callers of
> > possible charges, but no longer do that, and it was the responsibility
> > of the caller to research the charges.
>
> Well, what if they charged you $600? Would a charge like this be
> considered acceptable? There should be regulations on businesses for
> putting up traps like this and perhaps AT&T found a loophole. If these
> kind of unsavory business practices are the only way to make money
> nowadays in long distance then perhaps they should just get out of the
> LD business altogether since there's no legitimate money in it anymore.
> The only way to make money is via deceit and trickery which is a rather
> unsavory way of conducting business. I'd at least write a letter to
> whatever entity is supposed to regulate AT&T which is still considered
> to be a local loop monopoly provider. You may not get anything from it
> other than maybe someone somewhere will take a look into this.
>
> I dropped LD about 8 years ago and never looked back. Calling cards are
> convenient, cheap, and you know what you're paying for. I wouldn't even
> trust those telephone bastards with a cell contract so I go pre-paid on
> that as well. In a few months my land line goes bye bye and then I'll
> be free of the AT&T monopoly.

Yes, I used to have AOL as a LD provider. They sent me a 50 check in
the mail to sign up, but failed to mention the charges were $10 a
month for no calls. After about a year of paying $10 a month for
nothing, I discovered a (pay as you use) LD service you just dialed on
the phone and were only charged 10 or 20 cents a minute. So, I called
AOL to inquire about dropping the service and the representative
indicated they would waiver the minimum charges if I stayed with AOL.
I asked why the waiver was not explained earlier, and he said:
"because you didn't ask".

Just don't go to T-Mobile, I hear AT&T is buying them out.

-Bill

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TOPIC: Who can believe in colonizing space but a Christian?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/c0e73bc1419b1070?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 6:15 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

It is said that once you believe in God, you can believe anything --
even the lies about Iraq-- and their president sure enough promoted
this clever idea:

On Mar 29, 1:17 am, Voltaire <Volta...@Spamex.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:43:29 -0500, Frank Pittel

> <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
> >Only an idiot looney tune brain dead lying fascist hate spewing loser lib dem would
> >consider this a good idea.

> >http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/03/high_speed_delusion.html

> Yes, I would much rather spend it all rebuilding Iraq and handing out
> money to Haliburton.

Or in Bush's idea of conquering space so we can colonize other worlds
as we destroy this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRSNT_9ru2U

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Hopefully he was bullshitting about this one. But the Christians
believed it. This is the same Conservatives who say, "NO MORE TAXES!"

Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 12:03 pm
From: RicodJour

On Mar 30, 9:15 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...

The only long term hope for our...errr...my species, is getting off
planet. Thinking otherwise is simply being short-sighted.

BTW, I'll bet you that within our lifetimes the word lunatic will
undergo a complete reversal in meaning. Just so's ya know, I plan on
living a long time. Bet accordingly.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 4:04 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 30, 3:03 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 30, 9:15 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...
>
> The only long term hope for our...errr...my species, is getting off
> planet. Thinking otherwise is simply being short-sighted.
>
> BTW, I'll bet you that within our lifetimes the word lunatic will
> undergo a complete reversal in meaning. Just so's ya know, I plan on
> living a long time. Bet accordingly.
>
> R

Sorry, the idea was found to be lunatic:

On Mar 30, 3:57 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
> Actually, there are people of other religions who would like to colonize
> space. For example, there are Indian and Israeli astronauts (one was
> killed with the Columbia disaster) and Russian Cosmonauts. Not all the
> people who are on the International Space Station are Christian.
>
> In addition, not all believe in God. And many people who want to
> colonize space are not believers in God at all.

Colonizing space is not the same as the shuttle program. Colonization
means permanent bases in the Moon or elsewhere.

But don't worry, Bush was bullshitting...

"NASA budget for 2011 eliminates funds for manned lunar missions"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR2010013101058.html?wprss=rss_print/asection

Obama must have found the mission lunatic.

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TOPIC: adult hot photos&videos
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 9:03 am
From: RAMYA

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TOPIC: Non-stick pans
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 3:57 pm
From: The Real Bev

Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
willing to use plastic/wood utensils...

--
Cheers, Bev
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Subscribe today to "Fire in the Hole - the Quarterly Journal
for Incinerator Toilet Enthusiasts" -- Andrew

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 6:34 pm
From: J Burns

On 3/30/11 6:57 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
>
Anolon nonstick cookware seems more durable than most. It uses DuPont
Autograph 2.
Here's DuPont's page describing their current teflon coatings and
inviting email inquiries.
http://www2.dupont.com/Teflon/en_US/products/cookware_coatings/index.html

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 7:11 pm
From: Michael Black

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, The Real Bev wrote:

> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
>
Why?

I had two consecutive non-stick frying pans, and I took care of them,
but the coating came off both times, if I recall the second one lasted
a fairly short time.

I got a cheap stainless steel frying pan with an aluminum plate on the
bottom and it works fine, and I don't expect it to somehow go bad. I paid
something like ten dollars for it at some small kitchen store during a
sidewalk sale. I was so happy with that, I bought a nice pot with
steamer insert for about $20 at a similar store and sale, again with
a nice aluminum plate on the bottom.

I don't miss the non-stick, indeed I think I got the non-stick frying
pans mostly because that's what there was at a price I was willing
to spend.

Michael

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 8:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Michael Black wrote
> The Real Bev wrote

>> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm willing to use plastic/wood utensils...

> Why?

Because its handy to not have to bother using any oil etc.

> I had two consecutive non-stick frying pans, and I took care of them,
> but the coating came off both times, if I recall the second one lasted
> a fairly short time.

> I got a cheap stainless steel frying pan with an aluminum plate on the
> bottom and it works fine, and I don't expect it to somehow go bad. I
> paid something like ten dollars for it at some small kitchen store
> during a sidewalk sale. I was so happy with that, I bought a nice
> pot with steamer insert for about $20 at a similar store and sale,
> again with a nice aluminum plate on the bottom.

> I don't miss the non-stick, indeed I think I got the non-stick frying pans mostly because that's what there was at a
> price I was willing to spend.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 9:48 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 03/30/11 19:11, Michael Black wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
>> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
>>
> Why?

Because I don't want to scratch off the coating with steel utensils and
you don't actually need them if the coating actually works.

> I had two consecutive non-stick frying pans, and I took care of them,
> but the coating came off both times, if I recall the second one lasted
> a fairly short time.

I'd like to avoid that. I hate to throw things away and I'll suffer
using crap rather than pitch it in the trash before it's annoyed me for
at least a couple of years.

> I got a cheap stainless steel frying pan with an aluminum plate on the
> bottom and it works fine, and I don't expect it to somehow go bad. I paid
> something like ten dollars for it at some small kitchen store during a
> sidewalk sale. I was so happy with that, I bought a nice pot with
> steamer insert for about $20 at a similar store and sale, again with
> a nice aluminum plate on the bottom.

I've got some nice pans that I'm careful with, but they're too big for
most things. I want it for pancakes, scrambled eggs, etc. The eggs are
a real bitch.

> I don't miss the non-stick, indeed I think I got the non-stick frying
> pans mostly because that's what there was at a price I was willing
> to spend.

Some of us are slobs and wash dishes BY HAND once a week, if that. Easy
counts for a lot.

--
Cheers, Bev
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 10:41 pm
From: "John Weiss"

The Real Bev wrote:

> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...

I gave up on Teflon a long time ago. I use Calphalon hard anodized
aluminum pans for most things now. You still need to use a little oil,
but most stuff washes off readily.

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TOPIC: Do Christians have smaller brains?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 4:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

As I was watching this program about the evolution, I realized that
the same difference in brain size that exists between monkeys and homo
sapiens could be the one that exists between homo sapiens and
Christians, assuming Christians are a different species.

But you may want to check it out yourself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBTQGMvEQGw

I mean there's a good chance that there's a physical difference
between believers and nonbelievers. What made the Christians stop the
evolutionary clock, while the rest of us thrived on change and
capitalized on creativity? HOW MANY SCIENTISTS ARE FOUND AMONG THE
CHRISTIANS?

Bless the wheel that went to work on the Beach Cruiser. This is based
on Einstein's theories:

"Since the ratio of car mass to passenger mass for a single passenger
vehicle is roughly 15 : 1, the overall efficiency of a car system (its
ability to move your carcass down the road) is 0.10 x 1/15, or
somewhat less than one percent. Say 2/3 of 1 percent. Multiply this by
the number of passengers.

So, good rule of thumb, a car is 1% efficient. Incredible, isn't it?"

http://practicalcyclist.blogspot.com/2008/06/einstein-and-bicycles.html

***

This ain't like driving a Toyota and choosing "D" in the automatic
transmission. Sorry. ;)

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 8:05 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Mar 30, 9:58 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:38:09 -0700, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the
>
> Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > As I was watching this program about the evolution, I realized that the
> > same difference in brain size that exists between monkeys and homo sapiens
> > could be the one that exists between homo sapiens and Christians, assuming
> > Christians are a different species.
>
> I think you've confused "Christian" with "Liberal"

In America Christian means Conservative. They refuse new ideas and
oppose any liberal initiative out there.

They voted en masse for Bush and generally oppose Obama, however timid
his initiatives are. For example, he should promoted the Single Payer
universal healthcare system and end of story. Germany --the pioneer in
universal healthcare-- has a mixed system that also makes sense. Obama
though --in order to compromise-- ended up with an expensive and
complicated system that now the Conservatives are attacking with low
balls such as the "Death Panels"...

Hey, Euthanasia makes a lot of sense but Obama is far from daring to
go that far...

http://pumabydesign001.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/death-panel-obamacare.jpg

Liberal humanist societies don't have a problem with that as they as
they don't have a problem over people smoking marijuana or having
abortion. Of course, nobody is promoting that either, but education is
the best medicine. The Christians, though, have the practice of
wanting the child to be born and then deny him decent healthcare --
such as Bush did. Not a Christian blinked in protest. Hey, they even
reject the First Lady for educating the people to be healthy. They
insist on being fat and dumb.

As I said, smaller brains.

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