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TOPIC: Should America Euthanize the Old People and Homeless?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 14 2011 9:11 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Chief Thracian wrote
> Nuxx Bar <derderderder619@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Why not just euthanise all the religious fundamentalists, homophobes,
>> lying self-serving drug warriors, racists, violent criminals, and
>> police officers who abuse their power (of course most people
>> who are one of those will be at least one other as well)?
> Thanks for including homophobes.
No such animal. No one fears homos, they just detest them at most.
> This country needs to stop excusing them base on their religious belief.
Then do the decent thing and set fire to yourself on Capitol Hill or sumfin.
> Otherwise, any kind of hatred and violence will eventually be justified by virtue of religion.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
Next you will be running the line that no religion can ever oppose anything.
> Continuing to allow homophobia
No such animal. No one fears homos, they just detest them at most.
> is the weak link that eventually allows all other bigotries to break through the chain.
Wota terminal fuckwit.
You're no 'Chief Thracian', just another terminal fuckwit.
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 6:20 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 15, 12:06 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chief Thracian wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> I'm a poor person,
> >> Your problem.
> > No, it's a social problem,
>
> Nope.
>
> > The answer is proving all citizens with unversal health
> > care and housing, guaranteed living income (whether one
> > is presently employed or not)...in a nutshell: socialized
> > democracy in the fashion of western Europe.
>
> Pity they ALL have poor people ANYWAY.
>
> > Your callous response is typical of Darwinian elitists...
>
> Wrong. Its actually typical of those who have enough of
> a clue to realise that there will ALWAYS be poor people,
> even if its only the drunks and drug addict 'homeless' etc.
>
> > who, I might add, have grossly distorted Charles Darwin's theories
> > in order to justify the promotion of a brutal and ignorant ideology.
>
> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>
> >>> and I am very concerned that I may become homeless.
> >> Trivial to avoid, dont get involved in mortages you cant cover.
> > Many people become homeless through no fault of their own.
>
> Only the ones that go mad and refuse to accept
> the welfare that their state provides to mad people.
>
> > Homelessness is a symptom of a sick society, not of a sick individual.
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> > Perfect example: you are not homeless, yet obviously quite sick in the head.
>
> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead. Get one to help you before posting
> again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.
>
> >>> I don't blame Obama or Bush, but nature: the amount
> >>> of resources in not keeping up with population growth.
> >> In fact the problems was that house construction more than kept up with population growth.
> >>> When this happens in the animal kingdom,
> >> Most animals dont even have homes, stupid.
> > Yes they do, stupid! Nests, lairs, burrows, dens,
>
> Most animals dont have those, fuckwit.
>
> > farms, canopies, and so on.
>
> Those aint homes fuckwit.
>
> >>> and I don't believe we should just have dozens of millions of
> >>> American die-offs on the streets.
> >> That never happens.
> > It's getting there,
>
> Pigs arse it is. The death rate keeps dropping, you silly little pathological liar.
>
> > and rather rapidly.
>
> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that lie.
>
> > Thousands die off every year,
>
> Nothing like the DOZENS OF MILLIONS he lied about, fuckwit.
>
> > from lack of decent health care that they can't afford...
>
> Those dont die ON THE STREETS, you silly little pathological liar.
>
> > over 40,000.
>
> Nothing like the DOZENS OF MILLIONS he lied about, fuckwit.
>
> > More and more people are going homeless...
>
> Because more and more were stupid enough to sign up for mortgages they
> couldnt possibly make the payments on once the sucker rate interest expired.
> And most of those can just move in with relos anyway so aint HOMELESS.
>
> > more and more homeless deaths as a result.
>
> Another bare faced lie. The only 'homeless' that die as a result are the drug addicts and drunks.
>
> >>> Since those that have jobs view the homeless with disgust and hatred,
> >> Some do, plenty dont.
> > You have that bass-ackwards, should be: "Plenty do, some don't".
>
> Wrong, as always.
>
> > The poor and downtrodden
>
> No one is 'downtrodden', fool.
>
> > are villified in every walk of Amerikan life.
>
> Because they produced that situation for themselves.
>
> > They are society's scapegoats...
>
> Nope, just the dregs.
>
> > who wouldn't even be in that position if an
> > affluent nation distributed its wealth fairly.
>
> There are 'homeless' in every single country on earth, even Japan.
>
> > Amerika does not.
>
> No country does in that sense.
>
> >>> I suggest an option: government subsidized free voluntary euthanization clinics.
> >> I suggest that you kill yourself forthwith.
> > I think
>
> Obvious lie.
>
> >>> If I become homeless, I will suffer and die a slow and painful death on the streets.
> >> Doesnt happen like that.
> > Wow, you are dirt ignorant!
>
> Easy to claim. Have fun listing even a single individual that thats happened to in the last year.
>
> >>> Afterall, you yourself may very well become homeless in a few months
> >> Not a chance. My house is fully paid off and has been for decades now.
> > That won't save you.
>
> Corse it will.
>
> > People who fully own their homes can, and do, go homeless...
>
> Not in my country they dont. Even if I lost every cent that
> I have saved which amounts to a hell of a lot more than the
> house is worth, I'd just go on the govt pension that provides a
> very decent standard of living for those that own their own houses.
>
> > often because of some tragic accident or illness that wipes out their entire finances.
>
> Cant happen in my country. We have a very decent health care system
> that cant possibly do that and even if I was stupid enough to piss my entire
> savings against the wall on some quack 'cures', the govt pension would
> STILL ensure that I keep my house for as long as I choose to do that.
>
> >>> So, it would be a lot more humane to have these free euthanization clinics
> >>> so that these senior citizens could at least have the option to die painlessly.
> >> Makes a hell of a lot more sense for fools like you to kill yourself without them.
> > But you're a bigger fool,
>
> Nope. Not even stupid enough to 'live' in that cesspit you clowns call your country.
>
> > and I don't see you committing suicide.
>
> Then you need new glasses, bad.
>
> I'll be doing that when I decide that the quality of life is less than I prefer,
> like not being able to read or watch docos or wipe my own arse etc etc etc.
>
> >>> Let's be realistic:
> >> You wouldnt know what realistic as if it bit you on your lard arse.
> > You're no authority.
>
> You in spades. You're so stupid you cant even manage
> to work out which country someone is posting from.
>
> >> Yes, fools like you should be terminated on sight.
>
> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
I think you are writing from Russia or something like that, where you
mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own homes. How's
that welfare working for those who rent, or the homeless?
For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care
of? You are not feeding drunks and junkies, are you?
Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 6:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
Early attempts to fix the homeless problem:
'Tudor attempts to tackle the problem originate during the reign of
Henry VII. In 1495, Parliament passed a statute ordering officials to
seize "[a]ll such vagabonds, idle and suspected persons living
suspiciously and then so taken and set in stocks, there to remain by
the space of three days and three nights to have none other sustenance
but bread and water, and there after the said three days and three
nights, to be had out and set at large and then to be commanded to
avoid the town."[18] No remedy to the problem of poverty was offered
by this; it was merely swept from sight, or moved from town to town.
Moreover, no distinction was made between vagrants and the jobless;
both were simply categorised as "sturdy beggars", to be punished and
moved on.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_laws
It seems we are still trying to push them out but only the wealthy
succeed in kicking them out of their communities (usually Gated
Communities).
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:17 am
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Chief Thracian wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> I'm a poor person,
>>>> Your problem.
>>> No, it's a social problem,
>> Nope.
>>> The answer is proving all citizens with unversal health
>>> care and housing, guaranteed living income (whether one
>>> is presently employed or not)...in a nutshell: socialized
>>> democracy in the fashion of western Europe.
>> Pity they ALL have poor people ANYWAY.
>>> Your callous response is typical of Darwinian elitists...
>> Wrong. Its actually typical of those who have enough of
>> a clue to realise that there will ALWAYS be poor people,
>> even if its only the drunks and drug addict 'homeless' etc.
>>> who, I might add, have grossly distorted Charles Darwin's theories
>>> in order to justify the promotion of a brutal and ignorant ideology.
>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>>>>> and I am very concerned that I may become homeless.
>>>> Trivial to avoid, dont get involved in mortages you cant cover.
>>> Many people become homeless through no fault of their own.
>> Only the ones that go mad and refuse to accept
>> the welfare that their state provides to mad people.
>>> Homelessness is a symptom of a sick society, not of a sick individual.
>> Wrong, as always.
>>> Perfect example: you are not homeless, yet obviously quite sick in the head.
>> Any 2 year old could leave that for dead. Get one to help you before posting
>> again, if anyone is actually stupid enough to let you anywhere near one.
>>>>> I don't blame Obama or Bush, but nature: the amount
>>>>> of resources in not keeping up with population growth.
>>>> In fact the problems was that house construction more than kept up with population growth.
>>>>> When this happens in the animal kingdom,
>>>> Most animals dont even have homes, stupid.
>>> Yes they do, stupid! Nests, lairs, burrows, dens,
>> Most animals dont have those, fuckwit.
>>> farms, canopies, and so on.
>> Those aint homes fuckwit.
>>>>> and I don't believe we should just have dozens of millions of
>>>>> American die-offs on the streets.
>>>> That never happens.
>>> It's getting there,
>> Pigs arse it is. The death rate keeps dropping, you silly little pathological liar.
>>> and rather rapidly.
>> Easy to claim. Have fun actually substantiating that lie.
>>> Thousands die off every year,
>> Nothing like the DOZENS OF MILLIONS he lied about, fuckwit.
>>> from lack of decent health care that they can't afford...
>> Those dont die ON THE STREETS, you silly little pathological liar.
>>> over 40,000.
>> Nothing like the DOZENS OF MILLIONS he lied about, fuckwit.
>>> More and more people are going homeless...
>> Because more and more were stupid enough to sign up for mortgages they
>> couldnt possibly make the payments on once the sucker rate interest expired.
>> And most of those can just move in with relos anyway so aint HOMELESS.
>>> more and more homeless deaths as a result.
>> Another bare faced lie. The only 'homeless' that die as a result are the drug addicts and drunks.
>>>>> Since those that have jobs view the homeless with disgust and hatred,
>>>> Some do, plenty dont.
>>> You have that bass-ackwards, should be: "Plenty do, some don't".
>> Wrong, as always.
>>> The poor and downtrodden
>> No one is 'downtrodden', fool.
>>> are villified in every walk of Amerikan life.
>> Because they produced that situation for themselves.
>>> They are society's scapegoats...
>> Nope, just the dregs.
>>> who wouldn't even be in that position if an
>>> affluent nation distributed its wealth fairly.
>> There are 'homeless' in every single country on earth, even Japan.
>>> Amerika does not.
>> No country does in that sense.
>>>>> I suggest an option: government subsidized free voluntary euthanization clinics.
>>>> I suggest that you kill yourself forthwith.
>>> I think
>> Obvious lie.
>>>>> If I become homeless, I will suffer and die a slow and painful death on the streets.
>>>> Doesnt happen like that.
>>> Wow, you are dirt ignorant!
>> Easy to claim. Have fun listing even a single individual that thats happened to in the last year.
>>>>> Afterall, you yourself may very well become homeless in a few months
>>>> Not a chance. My house is fully paid off and has been for decades now.
>>> That won't save you.
>> Corse it will.
>>> People who fully own their homes can, and do, go homeless...
>> Not in my country they dont. Even if I lost every cent that
>> I have saved which amounts to a hell of a lot more than the
>> house is worth, I'd just go on the govt pension that provides a
>> very decent standard of living for those that own their own houses.
>>> often because of some tragic accident or illness that wipes out their entire finances.
>> Cant happen in my country. We have a very decent health care system
>> that cant possibly do that and even if I was stupid enough to piss my entire
>> savings against the wall on some quack 'cures', the govt pension would
>> STILL ensure that I keep my house for as long as I choose to do that.
>>>>> So, it would be a lot more humane to have these free euthanization clinics
>>>>> so that these senior citizens could at least have the option to die painlessly.
>>>> Makes a hell of a lot more sense for fools like you to kill yourself without them.
>>> But you're a bigger fool,
>> Nope. Not even stupid enough to 'live' in that cesspit you clowns call your country.
>>> and I don't see you committing suicide.
>> Then you need new glasses, bad.
>> I'll be doing that when I decide that the quality of life is less than I prefer,
>> like not being able to read or watch docos or wipe my own arse etc etc etc.
>>>>> Let's be realistic:
>>>> You wouldnt know what realistic as if it bit you on your lard arse.
>>> You're no authority.
>> You in spades. You're so stupid you cant even manage
>> to work out which country someone is posting from.
>>>> Yes, fools like you should be terminated on sight.
>> <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>
> I think you are writing from Russia or something like that,
You're wrong, as always. No where like that in fact.
> where you mix hardcore capitalism with welfare for those who own homes.
Wrong, as always.
> How's that welfare working for those who rent,
Works very well indeed. One fella I knew well was in that situation,
used to be an accountant, but ended up with his entire income being
his govt pension, living in a very decent modern rented flat.
I had a close look at his finances at one time when this country was
proposing to have a GST, because he wasnt clear how that would
affect him. Turned out that it didnt affect him at all and I was amazed
at the percentage of his pension that went on cigarettes and grog.
He eventually died of old age without needing a nursing home or long hospital stay etc.
> or the homeless?
They do fine. We're actually stupid enough to pay substantial money to
kids who just claim that they have been abused at home and who just
want to get a govt handout. They are entitled to govt housing and rent
when that isnt available and some of the worst of them choose to be
'homeless' basically so they can do what they like instead of what their
pathetic excuses for 'parents' tell them to do. The 'parents' are mostly
those whose entire income has been govt welfare for decades.
> For the same money we pay the homeless can't we have them taken care of?
Thats what all modern first and second world countrys do.
A very high percentage of them are actually loonys who used to be kept in locked
wards and who basically prefer to 'live' like that than in a normal house or flat etc.
> You are not feeding drunks and junkies, are you?
Thats precisely what the bulk of them are.
With some of the charitys providing free food etc.
We're actually stupid enough to pay our welfare in cash, no food stamps
etc, and the worst of the 'homeless' just spend it on grog and drugs.
> Funny you see more hobos riding bikes than normal people.
Fuck all hobos ride bikes, they mostly walk.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:19 am
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
> Early attempts to fix the homeless problem:
> 'Tudor attempts to tackle the problem originate during the reign of Henry VII.
There was other stuff LONG before that.
> In 1495, Parliament passed a statute ordering officials to
> seize "[a]ll such vagabonds, idle and suspected persons living
> suspiciously and then so taken and set in stocks, there to remain by
> the space of three days and three nights to have none other sustenance
> but bread and water, and there after the said three days and three
> nights, to be had out and set at large and then to be commanded to
> avoid the town."[18] No remedy to the problem of poverty was offered
> by this; it was merely swept from sight, or moved from town to town.
> Moreover, no distinction was made between vagrants and the jobless;
> both were simply categorised as "sturdy beggars", to be punished and
> moved on.'
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_laws
> It seems we are still trying to push them out
Nope.
> but only the wealthy succeed in kicking them out
> of their communities (usually Gated Communities).
Thats another lie.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 10:36 pm
From: Jym Dyer
>> Continuing to allow homophobia
> No such animal. No one fears homos, they just detest them
> at most.
=v= Actually there is no shortage of fear. Fear and ignorance
are, after all, crucial ingredients in any sort of bigotry.
That said, "-phobia" does not necessarily mean fear. It's a
clinical term to refer to an irrational aversion, which is as
accurate a description as you'll find.
=v= But hey, who needs to think about stuff anyway? There's
a big sale down at the mall of No Fear T-shirts with hostile
remarks written in jaggy lettering! That'll show 'em.
<_Jym_>
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TOPIC: Low service cost internet phone
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 1:14 am
From: SMS
On 2/14/2011 5:15 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
> On 2/14/2011 8:06 AM, Terri Smith wrote:
>> Like to get an android phone that has internet at low cost.
>>
>> Virgin Mobile has a $25/mo that allows unlimited internet. Anyone know of
>> any other ways to go. I don't need unlimited.
>
> I don't see how you are going to do less than $25/month. Kroger (the
> grocery store) sell Androids now. 2.5Gig limit. I've never seen a 3G
> with more than 5GB limit, at least not where I live.
All four of the major carriers offer unlimited 3G on the handset (AT&T
has brought it back, though unofficially, and Verizon dropped their
150MB metered plan). The 5GB limit is for laptop connect devices. They
prohibit tethering to the 3G handset (in their terms and conditions)
though many people do it anyway. Virgin does not have a 5GB limit on
their laptop connect device, but their 3G network is slow and the
coverage is limited.
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TOPIC: This is best compare to others
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 3:28 am
From: mahesh kumar
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TOPIC: REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 6:23 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"
On Feb 15, 7:41 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote:
> I care about all populist revolutions. See "South Of the Border", a
> documentary by Oliver Stone. Hugo seems like a good guy, otherwise he
> would just take the money and run.
Billy, I assure the best revolutions are yet to come. Forget about
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I just bought a bike with that slogan and nobody will stop those
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 7:10 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote
> Billy <wildbi...@withouta.net> wrote
>> I care about all populist revolutions.
>> See "South Of the Border", a documentary by Oliver Stone.
No thanks, that fool claims that the CIA killed JFK without a shred of evidence.
>> Hugo seems like a good guy,
Nope, just another fuckwit politician. And thats no revolution anyway.
>> otherwise he would just take the money and run.
He took the money and stayed instead.
> Billy, I assure the best revolutions are yet to come.
More fool you. Have fun listing even a single revolution that worked.
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Date: Tues, Feb 15 2011 11:12 pm
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