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* The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2 - 11 messages, 6 authors
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* Say, what happened to... - 1 messages, 1 author
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* How long to build a house from Craigslist "free" materials? - 3 messages, 2
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* How does one Reduce or Suspend thier Child Support - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* ?? Why - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Miniature Frozen Pizzas - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:31 pm
From: clams casino
dfr wrote:
>clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>dfr wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The states which dont collect as much revenue are
>>>supported by the states that collect more per head etc.
>>>
>>>You'd have a problem with the 'poor' states being
>>>able to collect enough taxation revenue otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>In the case of defense (50-60% of the Federal budget) ,
>>
>>
>
>That claim is WAY out.
>
>
>
I was wrong - that should have read 50-60% of Federal income tax
receipts (not the entire budget which includes social Security, medicare
and other sources of Federal revenue)
Thanks for questioning it.
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:34 pm
From: clams casino
Chloe wrote:
>What's the federal government
>doing involved in either, except perhaps in a limited, quality-control kind
>of way?
>
>
>
>
If the highways were left entirely up to the states, I'm sure we'd we'd
still have a partial interstate network.
Places like AL, NC and a host of other states would likely never have
built their portion of the interstate system which is crucial for the
interstate flow of goods.
== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:37 pm
From: clams casino
Don Klipstein wrote:
>In article <evlri.18311$GO6.5575@newsfe21.lga>, clams casino wrote:
>
>
>>Chloe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Mull this over. What would happen if--legal or not--everyone suddenly quit
>>>paying income tax?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Guess George would have to stop his war in Iraq (about 50-60% of Federal
>>income goes to military / national security),
>>
>>
>
> How do you get that figure?
>
http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:36 pm
From: "dfr"
clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
> dfr wrote:
>
>> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> dfr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The states which dont collect as much revenue are
>>>> supported by the states that collect more per head etc.
>>>>
>>>> You'd have a problem with the 'poor' states being
>>>> able to collect enough taxation revenue otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> In the case of defense (50-60% of the Federal budget) ,
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That claim is WAY out.
>>
>>
>>
> I was wrong - that should have read 50-60% of Federal income tax
> receipts (not the entire budget which includes social Security,
> medicare and other sources of Federal revenue)
Its still WAY out even on that basis.
> Thanks for questioning it.
> http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
Thats nothing like an unbiased source.
== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:09 pm
From: Dennis
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:34:57 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>Chloe wrote:
>
>>What's the federal government
>>doing involved in either, except perhaps in a limited, quality-control kind
>>of way?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>If the highways were left entirely up to the states, I'm sure we'd we'd
>still have a partial interstate network.
>
>Places like AL, NC and a host of other states would likely never have
>built their portion of the interstate system which is crucial for the
>interstate flow of goods.
All well and good. What have they done for me lately?
Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.
== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:14 pm
From: clams casino
Dennis wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:34:57 -0400, clams casino
><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Chloe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>What's the federal government
>>>doing involved in either, except perhaps in a limited, quality-control kind
>>>of way?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>If the highways were left entirely up to the states, I'm sure we'd we'd
>>still have a partial interstate network.
>>
>>Places like AL, NC and a host of other states would likely never have
>>built their portion of the interstate system which is crucial for the
>>interstate flow of goods.
>>
>>
>
>All well and good. What have they done for me lately?
>
>Dennis (evil)
>
>
Bought anything lately that was delivered by truck? Arrived into the US
by ship?
I'm guessing you'd be a whole lot happier where they have no taxes.
When are you leaving?
== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:22 pm
From: "Chloe"
"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:jItri.42025$kK1.7689@newsfe14.phx...
> Chloe wrote:
>
>>What's the federal government doing involved in either, except perhaps in
>>a limited, quality-control kind of way?
>>
>>
> If the highways were left entirely up to the states, I'm sure we'd we'd
> still have a partial interstate network.
>
> Places like AL, NC and a host of other states would likely never have
> built their portion of the interstate system which is crucial for the
> interstate flow of goods.
Might have been a blessing in disguise, especially if it meant we were
moving more goods by rail than we are now.
== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:50 pm
From: "Don K"
"dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote in message
news:46ae67f1$0$31407$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>> dfr wrote:
>>>> In the case of defense (50-60% of the Federal budget) ,
>>> That claim is WAY out.
>> I was wrong - that should have read 50-60% of Federal income tax
>> receipts (not the entire budget which includes social Security,
>> medicare and other sources of Federal revenue)
>
> Its still WAY out even on that basis.
>
>> Thanks for questioning it.
>
>> http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
>
> Thats nothing like an unbiased source.
A simple-minded nonviolence group founded in 1923. Of course it's
a good thing they weren't influential enough to adversely impact that
unpleasant fighting stuff that occurred in the 40's. Otherwise we would
be living in a much different world today, and we'd have a lot more to
complain about than just income tax.
Don
== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 5:57 pm
From: clams casino
dfr wrote:
>clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>dfr wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dfr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The states which dont collect as much revenue are
>>>>>supported by the states that collect more per head etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>You'd have a problem with the 'poor' states being
>>>>>able to collect enough taxation revenue otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>In the case of defense (50-60% of the Federal budget) ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>That claim is WAY out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I was wrong - that should have read 50-60% of Federal income tax
>>receipts (not the entire budget which includes social Security,
>>medicare and other sources of Federal revenue)
>>
>>
>
>Its still WAY out even on that basis.
>
>
>
>>Thanks for questioning it.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm
>>
>>
>
>Thats nothing like an unbiased source.
>
>
>
>
Granted, they have an agenda, but it's hard to dispute their numbers as
they are merely taken out of the published budget. The big difference,
as they clearly point out, is that the government tends to lump SS and
other sources of tax revenue with the income taxes and then break down
the overall expenditures. I found it more useful to see where the
income taxes are going, exclusive of the FICA, excise and other taxes.
It's amusing how the biggest complainers of how the wealthy are being
overtaxed tend to refer only to federal income tax, conveniently
omitting the FICA, excise & other taxes that tend to even out the
overall tax burden. But when it comes time to show how the
government spends the taxes, they like to group all the taxes together.
Of course the biggest sham is the use of excess FICA taxes to pay for
non SS uses.
== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 6:12 pm
From: "Tockk"
"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote
> And if you think it's ever going to happen--at least on some kind of legal
> ground--you probably believe in the Tooth Fairy's going to come to your
> house tomorrow night and leave you a basket of Easter eggs, too.
I rather suspect that change isn't gonna happen . . .
I was originally intrigued at the newpaper report where one of the anti-tax
people won their day in court against the IRS, and was curious to know what
the story behind the story was. After doing some preliminary digging
around, it looks like the anti-tax folks may not be looking at all the
Supreme Court rulings regarding the IRS. When I get a chance, I'm gonna
check things out a bit more completely, and try to find out exactly what's
what.
But, did ya check out that video that group put out (I gave a url on the
original post)? I watched about 1/5 of it (ran out of time), and was duly
impressed. I kinda think it's a testament to the ability of 3/4 truths to
stir up the populace . . .
== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 6:20 pm
From: "Tockk"
"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote
> According to the nonpartisan, nonprofit Urban Institute, about 80 percent
> of the federal government's revenue comes from individual income and
> payroll taxes. Of the other 20 percent, about 2/3 comes from corporate
> income tax. So, yeah, it *is* like the federal government would suddenly
> go bankrupt.
Well, if push comes to shove (I never knew what that phrase meant, but it's
fun) it shouldn't be too difficult to put up a National Sales Tax. And for
stuff that rich folks buy overseas, they'd have to pay an import tarriff on
everything they bring into the country.
-- As bad as that system would probably work, it can't possibly be any
worse than the current Income Tax.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:35 pm
From: Al Bundy
On Jul 30, 5:49 pm, Rick <ricka...@rcn.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>
> > The frugal sex guy? I havn't seen him around here
> > in a while. Did he finally get arrested??
>
> He probably got bounced by his ISP for the tasteless, off topic posts,
> assuming complaints were filed. (Unless he really was being more than an
> *ss and actually did try to do some of that stuff.) He was posting for a
> while in a.b.pictures.radio - on topic there and with the same name and
> e-mail address - but suddenly disappeared from that group as well.
>
> Rick
Maybe he's off on one of his "business trip" he spoke about and
gathering new material along the way. Those repeat posts were tiring.
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TOPIC: How long to build a house from Craigslist "free" materials?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:50 pm
From: freeisbest
On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've been pondering this recently. I'm just wondering...let's say
you
> inherited an acre of land, free and clear. Presuming it already has
> plumbing/sewer/electrical coming to it...how long it might take to
> build a house out of just craiglist 'free" items. I often seen
> construction/remodel leftovers. I just wish I had a free acre of land
> to test my idea.
Years ago I used to see articles on this kind of project in the
alternative magazines. As I remember the typical story, it usually
took several years of serious scrounging to accumulate enough bits and
pieces, but now and then the homebuilder would start with out with a
place to sleep on the land, like a (travel-) trailer or a shed, stay
on the land and build his dwelling while foraging for the necessary
pieces.
otoh, we have an acquaintance who has been accumulating
miscellaneous building parts for 28 years. He has a nice big semi-
rural lot, maybe 2 acres, that used to be neatly landscaped but now
has 3 storage buildings on it filled with used plywood, windows,
balusters, staircases, doors, piles of plumbing pipe, piles of
plumbing fixtures, and anything else he could get free or cheap.
There are squirrels, mice, rats, and probably snakes in it because
nobody has moved the stuff for decades. He's going to build another
house "some day".
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 5:10 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Jul 30, 12:19 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I've been pondering this recently. I'm just wondering...let's say
> > you inherited an acre of land, free and clear. Presuming it already
> > has plumbing/sewer/electrical coming to it...how long it might take
> > to build a house out of just craiglist 'free" items.
>
> Impossible to say, how long depends on how fussy you are
> about the house being built and what is discarded in your area.
>
> > I often seen construction/remodel leftovers.
>
> We often see old houses free for removal. It isnt that hard to shift
> an entire house from one place to another when its timber framed.
>
>
>
> > I just wish I had a free acre of land to test my idea.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's true too about the free houses. Unfortunately it's the getting
it from point a to point b that costs. But presuming you're an
eclectic sort and don't have to have "perfect" colored tiles or other
materials, it'd be interesting to see how long it would take just
collecting the stuff with a pickup.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 5:14 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Jul 30, 3:50 pm, freeisbest <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 11:57 am, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I've been pondering this recently. I'm just wondering...let's say
> you> inherited an acre of land, free and clear. Presuming it already has
> > plumbing/sewer/electrical coming to it...how long it might take to
> > build a house out of just craiglist 'free" items. I often seen
> > construction/remodel leftovers. I just wish I had a free acre of land
>
> > to test my idea.
>
> Years ago I used to see articles on this kind of project in the
> alternative magazines. As I remember the typical story, it usually
> took several years of serious scrounging to accumulate enough bits and
> pieces, but now and then the homebuilder would start with out with a
> place to sleep on the land, like a (travel-) trailer or a shed, stay
> on the land and build his dwelling while foraging for the necessary
> pieces.
> otoh, we have an acquaintance who has been accumulating
> miscellaneous building parts for 28 years. He has a nice big semi-
> rural lot, maybe 2 acres, that used to be neatly landscaped but now
> has 3 storage buildings on it filled with used plywood, windows,
> balusters, staircases, doors, piles of plumbing pipe, piles of
> plumbing fixtures, and anything else he could get free or cheap.
> There are squirrels, mice, rats, and probably snakes in it because
> nobody has moved the stuff for decades. He's going to build another
> house "some day".
Ugh...don't want to do that. But I do think having the trailer to
live in while the house is being built would work. To be efficient
I'd think only collecting the stuff you'll use in the next week would
work. For example the starting with the foundation (forget about
cement slab...odds are you wouldn't get enough "leftover" to pour it)
and framing first. come to think of it Kathy Bates had a movie that
was similar to this except she just refurbed what seemed to be a barn/
shack into a house.
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TOPIC: How does one Reduce or Suspend thier Child Support
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 3:51 pm
From: "Daniel T."
Abe <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I don't support the OPs spamming, but that aside, do you have any
> idea of the absolute abuse some women put their former husbands
> through when it comes to excessive child support?
No.
> Women who have moved on to land rich lifestyles, but continue to
> insist on large child suppport payments, even though the father has
> no portion of custody or even visitation?
You say that as if it was relevant to the question of child support.
There is no link between visitation and support, nor should there be.
As for the OPs "book" every state handles support differently, so unless
the book is for a specific state, or *very* large, I doubt it is all
that useful.
In Florida for example there is a simple chart in the law showing how
much child support will be. There is no arguing about it in court.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:07 pm
From: clams casino
Abe wrote:
>>>"The Child Support Battle" by John Christopher
>>>Learn to Reduce or Suspend Child Support
>>>
>>>
>>and if can't or won't support what you produce, keep it it your damn pants
>>or STFU
>>
>>
>>
>I don't support the OPs spamming, but that aside, do you have any idea
>of the absolute abuse some women put their former husbands through
>when it comes to excessive child support? Women who have moved on to
>land rich lifestyles, but continue to insist on large child suppport
>payments, even though the father has no portion of custody or even
>visitation?
>
>
name two.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:42 pm
From: Dennis
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:51:07 GMT, "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>Abe <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't support the OPs spamming, but that aside, do you have any
>> idea of the absolute abuse some women put their former husbands
>> through when it comes to excessive child support?
>
>No.
>
>> Women who have moved on to land rich lifestyles, but continue to
>> insist on large child suppport payments, even though the father has
>> no portion of custody or even visitation?
>
>You say that as if it was relevant to the question of child support.
>There is no link between visitation and support, nor should there be.
>
>As for the OPs "book" every state handles support differently, so unless
>the book is for a specific state, or *very* large, I doubt it is all
>that useful.
>
>In Florida for example there is a simple chart in the law showing how
>much child support will be. There is no arguing about it in court.
Rather naive. If there are lawyers involved, then there is no
shortage of arguing about it in court. For example, if you can't
dispute the rate, then you dispute what is eligible income to apply it
to. BTDT.
Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.
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TOPIC: ?? Why
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:01 pm
From: clams casino
Steve wrote:
>Derald <derald@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>
>>do some folks seem to believe that the retail price of an item when new has some
>>relationship to its secondhand price?
>>
>>
>
>It clearly doesn't. On ebay, stuff is routinely sold for more than
>retail...
>
>
>
>
I'd surely like to see a few examples. I'm sure there are a few, but
most of eBay sales of new items I've ever seen tend to be about half of
retail.
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TOPIC: Miniature Frozen Pizzas
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:47 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <npgsa39uk9k4lem04ic41l3k5fblbepi4j@4ax.com>,
Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
> Any suggestions for relatively inexpensive
> food purchases in the San Diego area.
> Wholesale is of interest, especially miniature
> frozen pizzas. I have been paying 50 cents
> each in packs of 24, but my supplier quit providing
> them.
Why not make your own? My sister used to manage a restaurant where they
served pita pizzas. It was just a pita bread topped with pizza sauce,
cheese, and optional mushrooms, pepperoni, and green peppers. The raw
ingredients are inexpensive and assembly is easy. Just throw a pita
bread on a griddle or in an oven, top with the cheese and sauce, and
heat briefly until the cheese melts. The ingredients cost a few cents so
its hard to go wrong.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:56 pm
From: et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black)
Shawn Hirn (srhi@comcast.net) writes:
> In article <npgsa39uk9k4lem04ic41l3k5fblbepi4j@4ax.com>,
> Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions for relatively inexpensive
>> food purchases in the San Diego area.
>> Wholesale is of interest, especially miniature
>> frozen pizzas. I have been paying 50 cents
>> each in packs of 24, but my supplier quit providing
>> them.
>
> Why not make your own? My sister used to manage a restaurant where they
> served pita pizzas. It was just a pita bread topped with pizza sauce,
> cheese, and optional mushrooms, pepperoni, and green peppers. The raw
> ingredients are inexpensive and assembly is easy. Just throw a pita
> bread on a griddle or in an oven, top with the cheese and sauce, and
> heat briefly until the cheese melts. The ingredients cost a few cents so
> its hard to go wrong.
Well you can make your own real pizzas. There was a point when I realized
I was nibbling on the toppin so much when I made pizza that by the time
the pizza was ready, I was full. So instead of making one or two larger
pizzas, I'd make individual size ones, a bunch at a time. I merely put
some tomatoe sauce on each, cooked them, and then put them in the freezer.
When I wanted one, I took it out and put some topping on it, and basically
gave it a short stay in the oven.
Though lately, I've gotten tired of that, and gone back to making fuller
size pizzas every so often.
Michel
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 4:58 pm
From: BeaForoni@msn.com
Has anyone been to UBid.com and seen the watches up for bid? They have
$4,000 watches for around fifty bucks. I am not sure what a Rousseau
Deluxe is, but it has got to be a real deal. I have a friend that buys
them, prints out the manufacturers web page and then sells them in
bars. Says he doubles his money or more.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 5:09 pm
From: George Grapman
BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
> Has anyone been to UBid.com and seen the watches up for bid? They have
> $4,000 watches for around fifty bucks. I am not sure what a Rousseau
> Deluxe is, but it has got to be a real deal. I have a friend that buys
> them, prints out the manufacturers web page and then sells them in
> bars. Says he doubles his money or more.
>
If is lists at $4,000 and is sold online got $50 it certainly must be
"the real deal".
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 6:00 pm
From: clams casino
George Grapman wrote:
> BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone been to UBid.com and seen the watches up for bid? They have
>> $4,000 watches for around fifty bucks. I am not sure what a Rousseau
>> Deluxe is, but it has got to be a real deal. I have a friend that buys
>> them, prints out the manufacturers web page and then sells them in
>> bars. Says he doubles his money or more.
>>
>
>
> If is lists at $4,000 and is sold online got $50 it certainly must
> be "the real deal".
>
Do they have any land for sale at these prices?
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jul 30 2007 6:18 pm
From: George Grapman
clams casino wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>
>> BeaForoni@msn.com wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone been to UBid.com and seen the watches up for bid? They have
>>> $4,000 watches for around fifty bucks. I am not sure what a Rousseau
>>> Deluxe is, but it has got to be a real deal. I have a friend that buys
>>> them, prints out the manufacturers web page and then sells them in
>>> bars. Says he doubles his money or more.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If is lists at $4,000 and is sold online got $50 it certainly must
>> be "the real deal".
>>
> Do they have any land for sale at these prices?
Yes, and for a limited time they throw in a bridge.
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