Frugal Living: Dec 2, 2009

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TOPIC: Need advice on eBook readers
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 10:31 am
From: me@privacy.net

Balvenieman <balvenieman@invalid.net> wrote:

>
>me@privacy.net wrote:
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>>Been thinking abt buying and eBook reader
> Do you mean hardware such as "Kindle", et al?

Yes...... but I am looking at some of NewEgg by name of
AsTak

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 11:30 am
From: BigDog1

On Dec 1, 9:34 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Been thinking abt buying and eBook reader
>
> Cant find a newsgroup abt them so posting here
>
> Anyone have one and can share some experience?

Usenet is not your friend when researching this kind of thing. Google
(or any other search engine) is. Just search on the term "e-reader"
and you'll find all kinds of reviews, articles and web site forums
that deal with the technology. Add the words Sony and Kindle, which
are the major players right now, and you'll get some pretty specific
results.

I've had hands on looks at both. They're both nice. My personal
preference is the Sony. In terms of size, design, and battery life
they're certainly better than laptops or netbooks. I'm a voracious
reader and the concept appeals to me, but it's not likely I'll ever
own one.

They're too expensive. For such a uni-tasker I'm not willing to pay
more than half of some of the cheapest prices I've been able to find
for either.

The content also costs too much. Less than hard copies of the same
book(s), but only slightly. For a DRM encoded digital copy I'm not
willing to pay more than half what I'd give for a hard copy, with
which I can do whatever I want while I'm reading it, and when I'm done
with it. There is some freeware stuff out there, but not much that
I'm personally interested in.

I don't like the limitations and restrictions of the DRM encoding.
There are ways to get around that, but I'd rather not jump through
those hoops. There was recently some sort of copyright misadventure
involving an e-book; don't remember if it was Amazon (Kindle) or
Barnes & Noble (Sony). They reached out to the machines they were
registered to and deleted them with no advance notice to the owners.
Refunds or credits were issued, but that's not really the point.

They only recognize books in there own proprietary formats. Other
common formats, of which I already own a large library, like PDF, LIT,
CHM, TXT, etc. aren't natively supported. More hoops associated with
converting and loading those documents I'm not jumping through.

For now, I'll continue to read on my laptop.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 11:41 am
From: BigDog1

On Dec 1, 11:31 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Balvenieman <balvenie...@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> >m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
> >>Been thinking abt buying and eBook reader
> > Do you mean hardware such as "Kindle", et al?
>
> Yes...... but I am looking at some of NewEgg by name of
> AsTak

Cheap junk with too many design and function issues.

See:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/324705/review/ez_reader_pocketpro.html

and:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/astaks-199-ez-reader-pocket-pro-wants-to-give-kindle-a-run-fo/

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 12:15 pm
From: me@privacy.net

BigDog1 <bigdog811@gmail.com> wrote:

>I've had hands on looks at both. They're both nice. My personal
>preference is the Sony. In terms of size, design, and battery life
>they're certainly better than laptops or netbooks. I'm a voracious
>reader and the concept appeals to me, but it's not likely I'll ever
>own one.

I am a voracious reader as well.... plus an engineering
student!

I'm attracted to the idea of keeping all my class
handouts on an eBook reader.... as well as possibly
keeping all class text books there too!

I will forget abt AsTak.... and will look at Sony

I thought the Sony was capable of more text formats
than most..... no?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 11:36 am
From: "Bob F"

VFW wrote:
> In this shocking memoir, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John
> Perkins tells of his own inner journey from willing servant of empire
> to impassioned advocate for the rights of oppressed people. Covertly
> recruited by the United States National Security Agency and on the
> payroll of an international consulting firm, he traveled the world‹to
> Indonesia, Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and other
> strategically important countries. His job was to implement policies
> that promoted the interests of the U.S. corporatocracy (a coalition of
> government, banks, and corporations) while professing to alleviate
> poverty‹policies that alienated many nations and ultimately led to
> September 11 and growing anti-Americanism. Within a few weeks of its
> release , Confessions of an Economic Hit Man landed onThe New York
> Times Bestseller List, then 19 other bestseller lists including the
> Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle, USA Today, Wall Street
> Journal, and Washington Post. The author has been interviewed
> repeatedly on national radio and television shows, including Amy
> Goodman's Democracy Now, CSPAN's Book TV, and PBS' Now with David
> Brancaccio. And now the book is being published in 9 languages around
> the world. According to John Perkins, "It is accomplishing an
> important objective in inspiring people to think and talk and to know
> that we can change the world."
> for more;
>
> http://www.economichitman.com/

I read that book. Not the best writing, but the story is an important look at
the ways of modern economic capitalism.

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Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 12:32 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 1:17 pm
From: clams_casino

KenK wrote:

>clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in news:oMTQm.48166
>$X01.42259@newsfe07.iad:
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>>Who knows, I may end up dumping the cable TV.
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>I did in around 1992 when my cable company doubled its price. After a few
>weeks I didn't miss it a bit - and especially in the recent years that I
>have had satellite.
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>
>
>
Once again, we looked at the extended cable TV lineup to see if we could
justify buying an HD unit. We liked the music, so we went with the
Sirius music. Hooked up the home unit today. Really pleased, although
I'm not sure what will happen in the spring when the leaves are back on
the trees. Reception is currently quite adequate with the antenna
simply at the window. Guess I'll wait til the spring to decide of I
want to get out the ladder, etc.

Next project will be to hook up the car so I can use it for trips.

So much for the TV, but I suppose I'll keep the cable... at least for a
while..

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 1:45 pm
From: "sr"

Don't believe he'll run
Better at being a talk show celb. or Tv Personality,
Are you happy with what is in?

"Bobster" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FI2dnY9tuot5oYjWnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:ca6a1$4b14949e$ccb5843a$26973@ispn.net...
>>I take it you are happy with the present Pres?
>
> Not at all. I hope he is beaten soundly in the 2012 elections. But he
> won't be beaten if the Republicans run right wing Christrian types like
> Huckabee or Palin.
>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 7:13 pm
From: "Fred Flintstone"

"climber" <coledenkler@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bb6608b6-57be-4a8c-904a-7c35d2927651@j4g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 29, 9:08 pm, "GWashingtonFan" <GWashingtonFan_USA> wrote:
> HEADLINE (see below):
>
> "Huckabee commuted sentence of man tied to police slayings"

I say we give Huckabee a fucking medal.

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Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 1:53 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 1:29 am
From: frater mus

caloo calay wrote:

> I was wondering what the attraction was to the bagless models. Seems
> very messy to have to dump the dirt and dust into an open container,

Dear Wife brought home a $$$ dyson bagless. I bristled a bit, but find
it is well-designed and a pleasure to use/empty. Changing bags was, for
me, much less pleasant, slower, and dustier.

One nice thing about this design is the dirt container is clear so you
can see what (and how much) is in there.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 3:00 pm
From: "sr"

to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill

From: Turner, Trish

To:

Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009

Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from new
healthcare reform

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter

I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 3:14 am
From: "Dave C."

On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:00:28 -0500
"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:

> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>
> From: Turner, Trish
>
> To:
>
> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>
> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from
> new healthcare reform
>
> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>
> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
>
>

You heard wrong. It's 5,000 dollars per year, or over 400 dollars per
month. -Dave

--
Dave C. <noway@nohow.never>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 5:11 pm
From: "sr"

yes, I heard 5000 also, didn't know what criteria was so posted the lesser

"Dave C." <noway@nohow.never> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:00:28 -0500
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>>
>> From: Turner, Trish
>>
>> To:
>>
>> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>>
>> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from
>> new healthcare reform
>>
>> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>>
>> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
>>
>>
>
> You heard wrong. It's 5,000 dollars per year, or over 400 dollars per
> month. -Dave
>
>
> --
> Dave C. <noway@nohow.never>

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 6:57 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:14:38 +0800, "Dave C." <noway@nohow.never>
wrote:

>On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:00:28 -0500
>"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>
>> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>>
>> From: Turner, Trish
>>
>> To:
>>
>> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>>
>> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from
>> new healthcare reform
>>
>> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>>
>> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
>>
>>
>
>You heard wrong. It's 5,000 dollars per year, or over 400 dollars per
>month. -Dave

With no "public option" you'll pay the insurance companies exactly
what they want, or go without. You might be used to that. I am.
Biggest change with no "public option" is the tax subsidies to the low
incomes will be more - and taxpayers will pay more money - to the
insurance companies.
The main idea is to get the uninsured numbers down, and that means gov
subsidies. Cost control is secondary. Try to do anything sensible
with that and the cry of "DEATH PANELS" rings out across the land.
Some say that using taxpayer money for folks to pay for private health
care insurance is socialism.
I say it's socialism for the private insurance companies.
Commies like that. But they call themselves "capitalists" so don't
worry about them. They just want your money - all of it if practical.
The table is being set. We'll see who gets invited for dinner.

--Vic

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 6:17 pm
From: "h"

"Dave C." <noway@nohow.never> wrote in message
news:20091201191438.5b88fa13.noway@nohow.never...
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:00:28 -0500
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
to exempt Congressional staffers from
>> new healthcare reform
>>
>> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com>> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars
>> to your Ins. premium!
>>
>>
>
> You heard wrong. It's 5,000 dollars per year, or over 400 dollars per
> month. -Dave
>
>
You actually believe ANYTHING coming from Faux News? Really? Wow, just wow.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 11:08 pm
From: "sr"

"Vic Smith" <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rlkbh551uinbss63o1iljrkvt75etc1i4n@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:14:38 +0800, "Dave C." <noway@nohow.never>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:00:28 -0500
>>"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote:
>>
>>> to exempt Congressional Staffers from new healthcare reform bill
>>>
>>> From: Turner, Trish
>>>
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Sent: Tue Dec 01 17:16:35 2009
>>>
>>> Subject: URGENT: SenReid tries to exempt Congressional staffers from
>>> new healthcare reform
>>>
>>> http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/look-who-gets-exempted/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogs%2FGretawire+%28FOXNews.com+-+Blogs+-+Gretawire%29&utm_content=Twitter
>>>
>>> I heard it would add 2,000 dollars to your Ins. premium!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You heard wrong. It's 5,000 dollars per year, or over 400 dollars per
>>month. -Dave
>
> With no "public option" you'll pay the insurance companies exactly
> what they want, or go without. You might be used to that. I am.
> Biggest change with no "public option" is the tax subsidies to the low
> incomes will be more - and taxpayers will pay more money - to the
> insurance companies.
> The main idea is to get the uninsured numbers down, and that means gov
> subsidies. Cost control is secondary. Try to do anything sensible
> with that and the cry of "DEATH PANELS" rings out across the land.
> Some say that using taxpayer money for folks to pay for private health
> care insurance is socialism.
> I say it's socialism for the private insurance companies.
> Commies like that. But they call themselves "capitalists" so don't
> worry about them. They just want your money - all of it if practical.
> The table is being set. We'll see who gets invited for dinner.
>
> --Vic
My neighbor doesn't have balls enough to come over here and pick my pockets,
so the Govenment does it for him, so he can save "Face"

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 3:42 pm
From: "sr"

BluegrassPundit

Global Warming Fail: Lowest Hurricane Season in 12 Years:
http://bit.ly/87HDsa #tcot #agw #climategate

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 5:11 pm
From: "sr"

"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
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> BluegrassPundit
>
> Global Warming Fail: Lowest Hurricane Season in 12 Years:
> http://bit.ly/87HDsa #tcot #agw #climategate
> http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monckton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf
>

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TOPIC: P T Barnum Gore, gets caught in his lies, public records tell the tale
Gore holds OIL STOCKs
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 5:00 pm
From: "sr"

"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:47164$4b13ac7e$ccb58404$1194@ispn.net...
> ClimateScam
>
> #climategate : Al Gore Sued By Over 30,000 Scientists for Global Warming
> Fraud
> ---------\
Tuesday, December 1, 2009
Al Gore Has Security Goons Assault Climategate Protesters
I hope the security detail at this Al Gore book signing isn't the Secret
service. If they are, this is a shameful episode in their history. Asking a
tough question isn't a crime, but Al Gore has his security goons physically
assault and forcibly remove people who asked him about the Climategate
scandal. You can see the protesters yelling on the way out, but they
originally started with a polite question. This is outrageous.

> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:9a035$4b1242a7$ccb5841e$32539@ispn.net...
>> Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their
>> carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a
>> clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back
>> on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow
>> Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he
>> lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role
>> model for ecology, the planet is doomed.
>>
>> For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he
>> recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy
>> credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to
>> promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's
>> distributor, pays this.)
>>
>> Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive
>> consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a
>> 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a
>> 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in
>> Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of
>> extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
>>
>> Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington,
>> D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to
>> traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility
>> customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and they
>> can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that they are
>> supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions have signed
>> up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for some federal
>> office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.
>>
>> But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has
>> signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When
>> contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores
>> were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about
>> inconvenient truths.
>>
>> Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean has
>> said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very existence."
>> The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to move people to
>> act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have failed to convince
>> his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an additional two pennies
>> a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter, neither has the Republican
>> National Committee.
>>
>> Maybe our very existence isn't threatened.
>>
>> Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some
>> time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings in
>> Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over the
>> years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy stock.
>> Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in ecologically
>> sensitive areas.
>>
>> Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor
>> does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.
>>
>> Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in
>> Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in
>> royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his
>> property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of
>> barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.
>>
>> The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of
>> credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put
>> forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why
>> hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine or
>> one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of us
>> to radically change our lives.
>>
>> Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and author
>> of Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Find this article at:
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
>>
>>
>>
>
>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 5:12 pm
From: "sr"

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monckton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf

"sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
news:a9097$4b15bc56$ccb5841f$17251@ispn.net...
>
> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
> news:47164$4b13ac7e$ccb58404$1194@ispn.net...
>> ClimateScam
>>
>> #climategate : Al Gore Sued By Over 30,000 Scientists for Global Warming
>> Fraud
>> ---------\
> Tuesday, December 1, 2009
> Al Gore Has Security Goons Assault Climategate Protesters
> I hope the security detail at this Al Gore book signing isn't the Secret
> service. If they are, this is a shameful episode in their history. Asking
> a tough question isn't a crime, but Al Gore has his security goons
> physically assault and forcibly remove people who asked him about the
> Climategate scandal. You can see the protesters yelling on the way out,
> but they originally started with a polite question. This is outrageous.
>
>
>> "sr" <solos42@uninets.net> wrote in message
>> news:9a035$4b1242a7$ccb5841e$32539@ispn.net...
>>> Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their
>>> carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a
>>> clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back
>>> on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow
>>> Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he
>>> lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role
>>> model for ecology, the planet is doomed.
>>>
>>> For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he
>>> recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy
>>> credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to
>>> promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's
>>> distributor, pays this.)
>>>
>>> Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive
>>> consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a
>>> 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a
>>> 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in
>>> Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of
>>> extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
>>>
>>> Then there is the troubling matter of his energy use. In the Washington,
>>> D.C., area, utility companies offer wind energy as an alternative to
>>> traditional energy. In Nashville, similar programs exist. Utility
>>> customers must simply pay a few extra pennies per kilowatt hour, and
>>> they can continue living their carbon-neutral lifestyles knowing that
>>> they are supporting wind energy. Plenty of businesses and institutions
>>> have signed up. Even the Bush administration is using green energy for
>>> some federal office buildings, as are thousands of area residents.
>>>
>>> But according to public records, there is no evidence that Gore has
>>> signed up to use green energy in either of his large residences. When
>>> contacted Wednesday, Gore's office confirmed as much but said the Gores
>>> were looking into making the switch at both homes. Talk about
>>> inconvenient truths.
>>>
>>> Gore is not alone. Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean
>>> has said, "Global warming is happening, and it threatens our very
>>> existence." The DNC website applauds the fact that Gore has "tried to
>>> move people to act." Yet, astoundingly, Gore's persuasive powers have
>>> failed to convince his own party: The DNC has not signed up to pay an
>>> additional two pennies a kilowatt hour to go green. For that matter,
>>> neither has the Republican National Committee.
>>>
>>> Maybe our very existence isn't threatened.
>>>
>>> Gore has held these apocalyptic views about the environment for some
>>> time. So why, then, didn't Gore dump his family's large stock holdings
>>> in Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum? As executor of his family's trust, over
>>> the years Gore has controlled hundreds of thousands of dollars in Oxy
>>> stock. Oxy has been mired in controversy over oil drilling in
>>> ecologically sensitive areas.
>>>
>>> Living carbon-neutral apparently doesn't mean living oil-stock free. Nor
>>> does it necessarily mean giving up a mining royalty either.
>>>
>>> Humanity might be "sitting on a ticking time bomb," but Gore's home in
>>> Carthage is sitting on a zinc mine. Gore receives $20,000 a year in
>>> royalties from Pasminco Zinc, which operates a zinc concession on his
>>> property. Tennessee has cited the company for adding large quantities of
>>> barium, iron and zinc to the nearby Caney Fork River.
>>>
>>> The issue here is not simply Gore's hypocrisy; it's a question of
>>> credibility. If he genuinely believes the apocalyptic vision he has put
>>> forth and calls for radical changes in the way other people live, why
>>> hasn't he made any radical change in his life? Giving up the zinc mine
>>> or one of his homes is not asking much, given that he wants the rest of
>>> us to radically change our lives.
>>>
>>> Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at the Hoover Institution and
>>> author of Do As I Say (Not As I Do): Profiles in Liberal Hypocrisy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Find this article at:
>>>
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 6:03 pm
From: "HH&C"

On Dec 1, 11:35 am, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:06:06 -0800 (PST), freeisbest
> > <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 29, 4:44 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> >>> Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb
> >>> their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light
> >>> bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy,
> >>> dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible
> >>> global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily
> >>> points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle."
> >>> But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is
> >>> doomed.
> >> -snip-
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> You have such a rich fantasy life that I don't know where to begin,
> >> really... I do wonder why you get all passionate about Al Gore, tho.
> >> Is it that he was born rich, then went on to grow up handsome,
> >> privileged, highly educated, politically fortunate, a two-term vice-
> >> president of the U.S., and finally winner of a Nobel Peace Prize AND
> >> an Oscar?
>
> > so tell us allllll about Mr Gores "green" housing if you would be so
> > kind.....
>
> Solar panels, green energy offsets, etc., etc., what's to tell?- Hide quoted text -

Compare and contrast to GW's home.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 11:11 pm
From: "sr"

"HH&C" <hot-ham-and-cheese@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ade50b8b-bc44-4602-a1dc-8121225c5209@9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 1, 11:35 am, "Ouroboros Rex" <i...@casual.com> wrote:
> Gunner Asch wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:06:06 -0800 (PST), freeisbest
> > <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 29, 4:44 am, "sr" <solo...@uninets.net> wrote:
> >>> Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb
> >>> their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light
> >>> bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy,
> >>> dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible
> >>> global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily
> >>> points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle."
> >>> But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is
> >>> doomed.
> >> -snip-
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> You have such a rich fantasy life that I don't know where to begin,
> >> really... I do wonder why you get all passionate about Al Gore, tho.
> >> Is it that he was born rich, then went on to grow up handsome,
> >> privileged, highly educated, politically fortunate, a two-term vice-
> >> president of the U.S., and finally winner of a Nobel Peace Prize AND
> >> an Oscar?
>
> > so tell us allllll about Mr Gores "green" housing if you would be so
> > kind.....
>
> Solar panels, green energy offsets, etc., etc., what's to tell?- Hide
> quoted text -

Compare and contrast to GW's home.
The home G.Bush had in TX when he was Pres. was Green. Only after the
Public complained about
Gore not living the Green life style did Gore have some Green improvements.
But, Gore is still an energy HOG

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 8:19 pm
From: aesthete8

When I lived abroad, the washing machines were quite small and could
have fit in the bathroom of a U.S. home. As I recall, the way to hook
them up was simply to insert a hose pipe and turn the water on.

Amazingly, they cleaned satisfactorily.

Does anyone know what I mean. If so, does such a product exist in the
U.S.?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 9:49 pm
From: "h"

"aesthete8" <artsy6@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:42733bfc-2dcf-45ce-932f-07554776e0bc@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> When I lived abroad, the washing machines were quite small and could
> have fit in the bathroom of a U.S. home. As I recall, the way to hook
> them up was simply to insert a hose pipe and turn the water on.
>
> Amazingly, they cleaned satisfactorily.
>
> Does anyone know what I mean. If so, does such a product exist in the
> U.S.?

Sure! However, they can't hold much more than ONE full bed sheet. It would
be faster and cheaper to wash your stuff by hand.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 1 2009 8:20 pm
From: aesthete8

On tv, there is an advertisement for these straps that you put under
whatever you want to lift and--voila!--2 persons can lift the heaviest
thing.

Could that be adapted to transporting a person?

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