Frugal Living: Aug 8, 2007

Wednesday, August 8, 2007

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TOPIC: Hand wash???
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3dd642fdb1e8579d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:19 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Binyamin Dissen <postingid@dissensoftware.com> in
news:7aehb3hqp8sgpm31g50phk90l4qgesn1lj@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:27 -0500 "Ms P" <ms_peacock@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>:><hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message

snip
> >

>:>Are the wrinkles going to affect their preformance? Can you dry dishes with
>:>wrinkled towels?
>
> I don't get it either.
>
> Who cares if a towel is wrinkled?

yeah, these are new towels. just wait a few days and they'll smooth out, their eyes
will open, and they'll be suckling madly like any normal thirsty towelette.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:04 pm
From: "Lou"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3qfb3pecknp84dc8gmeaumh2pjr3uakbg@4ax.com...
> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> paper towels before use?

Cotton wrinkles. It's a dish towel, who (besides you, I mean) cares if it's
wrinkled or not? I'll bet they dry the dishes about the same either way.

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TOPIC: Conspiracies Revealed!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/abcba658bc9c8333?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:21 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Alan S <nothere@there.com> in
news:r3fgb3968e0ck7pb5ejt21ls4sfjlckkgm@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:08:21 -0000,
> conspiracy.black@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy - Find out who really shot JFK!,
>>learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
>>our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>>declining birth rate.
>
> Do you have an address for the testing facility?

got your resume freshened up?

science. sounds like a great second career.

>> Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more revealed here.
>
> Cheers, Alan, Australia
> --
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: Slovenia
> http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
> latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
>

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:58 pm
From: mike3

On Aug 6, 12:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,
> learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
> declining birth rate. Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
> revealed here.

The moonlanding was REAL.

Get over it.

Why can't you accept somebody walked on the moon?

WHY??????

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:01 pm
From: barb

mike3 wrote:
> On Aug 6, 12:08 pm, conspiracy.bl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> http://nasaconspiracy.net/conspiracy- Find out who really shot JFK!,
>> learn how they faked the lunar landing, see what they are putting in
>> our milk to enlarge young womens breasts in a goal to raise the
>> declining birth rate. Proof of extraterrestrial life and much more
>> revealed here.
>
> The moonlanding was REAL.
>
> Get over it.
>
> Why can't you accept somebody walked on the moon?
>
> WHY??????
>

Why can't you remove alt.religion.scientology from your newsgroup list?
WHY????????

--
barb
Chaplain, ARSCCwdne

buy my book!
http://stores.lulu.com/store.php?fAcctID=1198812

read my blog!
http://xenubarb.blogspot.com/

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:56 pm
From: tom

barb <xenubarb@netscape.net> in news:zXrui.13485$Vk6.11373@newsfe07.phx:

> Why can't you remove alt.religion.scientology from your newsgroup list?
> WHY????????
that's part of the conspiracy

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TOPIC: Idea for Cheap Alarm System
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e01b99bf93bb10f?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:21 pm
From: Rick

EdwardATeller wrote:
>
> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

You keep going less cheap and less cheap as you go along here.

There is an X-10 based system that does just this. You can use any kind
of sensors you want - door, window, infra-red. And it can be programmed
to dial up to 4 numbers of your choice and play your own recorded
message until someone at one of those numbers answers the phone. Press
any key on your phone and the siren stops so you can listen to what is
going on inside the home through a built in microphone on the base unit.
The system runs about $170.00 including a basic set of sensors.

Just do a search on "X-10 alarm system" and you should find them.

Whatever you do, DO NOT program any system to dial 911. They get really
p*ssed off about automated systems calling in false alarms. Some Cities
charge you for annoyance calls from these systems.

Rick

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:27 pm
From: "Don K"

"EdwardATeller" <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

I used to have a Radio Shack pendant dialer that would dial whatever
succession of phone numbers you wanted, play a message, and open
up a live microphone link inside the house to the phone line.

IIRC, it cost about $70 ten years ago. Being intended for the elderly,
it was activated by a pendant worn around the neck. It could easily
be adapted to do what you're thinking of doing. Mine worked fine.

The good part about this solution is that there are no additional
monthly charges, assuming you already have a phone.

google this: radio shack pendant alarm dialer

Don

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:52 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don K <dk@dont_bother_me.com> wrote:
> "EdwardATeller" <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
>> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off
>> the majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
>> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
>> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>>
>> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What if you had a cell phone
>> attached to the motion detector that
>> could be set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it
>> could dial 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address
>> and there was a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell
>> phone, and then I could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin
>> Mobile cell phone works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a
>> monitoring contract.
>
>
> I used to have a Radio Shack pendant dialer that would dial whatever
> succession of phone numbers you wanted, play a message, and open
> up a live microphone link inside the house to the phone line.
>
> IIRC, it cost about $70 ten years ago. Being intended for the elderly,
> it was activated by a pendant worn around the neck. It could easily
> be adapted to do what you're thinking of doing. Mine worked fine.
>
> The good part about this solution is that there are no additional
> monthly charges, assuming you already have a phone.
>
> google this: radio shack pendant alarm dialer

I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.

Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:59 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 04:32:37 -0700, EdwardATeller
<sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote:

Go to a bookstore, pick up one of the "Chicken Dance" birthday cards.
Tie the little tab to the window, glue the card on the frame.

Burglar opens window. Da da dadda da da dat da da dadda da da dat and
so forth. Burglar either runs away screaming or starts to dance.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:16 pm
From: "Robert L Bass"

> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
> some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
> for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
> individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.
>
> Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.

The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:27 pm
From: AZ Woody

Robert L Bass wrote:
>> I think those systems that are designed for the elderly should also have
>> some mechanism to detect movement and alarm if there is no movement
>> for a specified time between particular nominated times, so that if the
>> individual does die or is unconscious, the system will alarm then too.
>>
>> Obviously the time between detected movements is different at
>> night and day and in the bedroom and the rest of the house etc.
>
> The ELK-M1G home automation system can do all that.
>

The last place my Dad lived (independent/assisted living) had a switch
he had to hit each day. It was a pull chain thing on the wall in the
bedroom.

If "on the cheap" is the whole theme of this thread, I can imagine a
simple timer circuit (a one shot with a duration of say 30-36 hours).
It's "reset" by the person each day (like my dad and the pull chain),
but if the timer goes off, the alarm is triggered. There probably needs
to be a simple disable, in the event that the person will be gone for a
couple days.

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TOPIC: How long to build a house from Craigslist "free" materials?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/009019a2521ac2e0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:34 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> in news:5h8unjF3jm0mfU1@mid.individual.net:

> It is quite expensive to drive a pick-up. I would think that in some cases,
> you would be paying more for materials if there are few materials and the
> pick-up spot is far away.
>
> I go through this all the time. Is it worth it to drive further, get a lower
> price on something, yet pay $50 for gas for the truck?

and the cost of your lost time traveling further.

> If I'm paying $30 more to buy it locally, then would be least expensive to
> buy here.

easier to return if the item is defective (assuming that's one of the conditions of
transaction, which also is rare with "free" stuff)

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TOPIC: cheapest new car
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2a16ed3ce9240c58?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:38 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 7, 11:09 pm, Greg <kismet2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:54:39 -0700, b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> >I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> >is.
>
> Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent, and Toyota Yaris all start out around ten or
> eleven thousand dollars US.
>
> Greg

And if you want to get really cheap; Chevy Aveo (a Hyundai in
disguise) is even lower...albeit not that pretty.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:39 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Aug 7, 11:38 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> b...@coolgroups.com wrote:
> > I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> > is.
>
> Perhaps a better question isn't what is the cheapest but what is
> the most frugal. :)
>
> Anthony

I believe my Yaris HB is fairly frugal...not as frugal as my old Ford
Festiva by a few MPG, something like 3-5 as I recall.

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TOPIC: Best small freezer (5-7 cu ft)??
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c31b87015e4bdb8?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:15 pm
From: me@privacy.net

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Any diff between the brands in this small size?
>
>Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

what brand and model would YOU buy in a 5-7 cubic foot
size Rod?

Given that efficiency and layout is priority

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Any diff between the brands in this small size?

>> Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

> what brand and model would YOU buy in a 5-7 cubic foot size Rod?

I basically choose from what is available at the time I buy one,
and since they last so long, that varys with the purchase.

What I buy isnt necessarily the same as you either, mine
have to go under an existing cantilevered 20' long bench
which constrains the height of the freezer and I only ever
use verticals, I hate freezers with just a lid.

I also avoid the ones which have the shelves formed
from sheet metal because I have had one of those fail.
Not sure if you can even buy those now tho, its been
quite a while since I bought the last one.

> Given that efficiency and layout is priority

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TOPIC: Rod Speed, how is Australia ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6af50f3e8b494e32?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:33 pm
From: Jimington

On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 03:12:21 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>
>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.
>
>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!
>
>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?
>
>>> The top half of the NSW coast.
>
>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.
>
>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.
>
>Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

Things never seem to change without the trigger of death. I'm
wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge up our
street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared with
traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because whoever is
asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.
>
>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.
>
>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.
>
>Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's born here
anymore since they shut down the maternity ward. Now the mothers to be
face a 90 minute drive for that.
A lot of health problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they
can't find staff. However i'm dubious about the future, the economic
management of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.
The PM is right to criticise them.
>
>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>> is better there than in the southern areas.
>
>Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.
>
>Coastal NSW is much better than that.
>
Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.

>> Not as hot
>
>Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.
>
>Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.
>
>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.
>
>True.
>
>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.
>
>Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.
>
>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
>> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.
>
>Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.
>
>Biting insects are a problem too.
>
>Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.
>
>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.
>
>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.
>
>Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.
Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services. There's a need
for a population injection in a huge part of the country but the city
folk only see how crowded they are and pooh-pooh any thought of
opening the immigration gates.
>
>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a lot
>> of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling of our
>> population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major centres,
>> putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of remote areas.
>
>Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.
And there's no sign of a turnaround
>
>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.
>
>Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.
>

Jim.

http://inghamwebcam.com/
My dull website.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>>>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

>>>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

>>>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>>>> The top half of the NSW coast.

>>>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>>>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>>>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>>>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

>>> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
>>> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
>>> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.

>> Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
>> they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
>> stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

> Things never seem to change without the trigger of death.

Not for that sort of shooting of the dangerous wildlife, anyway.

> I'm wondering which of my neighbours will be killed on the bridge
> up our street walking into town. It's a narrow one that is shared
> with traffic. Nothing has been done to make it safe because
> whoever is asked claims it's another department's responsibility.
> I suppose it's not frugal to provide safety before death.

Yeah, I was amazed at how many walk on the road when getting
some exercise around here. Not surprising that they do, since
there are no footpaths, but someone is gunna get killed eventually.

>>>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>>>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>>>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

>>> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.

>> Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
>> thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
>> has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

> We've had a prime minister born in our town but nobody's
> born here anymore since they shut down the maternity ward.

Yeah, tho even 30 years ago, some chose not to have the brat
here, just because if the shit hits the fan, the facilitys arent as good.

> Now the mothers to be face a 90 minute drive for that. A lot of health
> problems are do to the economy doing gangbusters, they can't find staff.

Yeah, we've always had almost all of ours overseas trained.
30+ years ago they were all poms, now mostly asians. And
thats not just the hospital either, the GPs and specialists as well.

> However i'm dubious about the future, the economic management
> of our state government is pretty damn ordinary considering
> the tax windfall that the GST has generated for all states.

> The PM is right to criticise them.

Yeah, Bleaty was making a fool of himself on TV last night.

>>> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
>>> is better there than in the southern areas.

>> Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.

>> Coastal NSW is much better than that.

> Brisbane is just inland enough to be a bit of a bastard. The coast
> areas near it, the Gold and Sunshine coasts have a splendid climate.

Sure.

>>> Not as hot

>> Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
>> 100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.

>> Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.

>>> nor are there any real numbers of flies.

>> True.

>>> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.

>> Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.

>>> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
>>> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.

>> Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

> We also have too many goodies at home to go away for long.

Yeah, me too.

>> Biting insects are a problem too.

>> Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
>> all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

> Sounds like the Bribie Island ones. No thanks.

They're a lot worse than that. Right thru the day too, not just after dark.

>>>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>>>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>>>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>>>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>>>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>>>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.

>>> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
>>> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
>>> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.

>> Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.

> Beautiful but it's very hard to live without services.

Yeah, bet the medical facilitys are pretty primitive.
Let alone even basic stuff like GPs.

> There's a need for a population injection in a huge part of the
> country but the city folk only see how crowded they are and
> pooh-pooh any thought of opening the immigration gates.

True.

>>> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a
>>> lot of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling
>>> of our population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major
>>> centres, putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of
>>> remote areas.

>> Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.

> And there's no sign of a turnaround

Yeah, in many ways its got much worse.

My heart specialist is a south african. He used to live here but now
flys in from Sydney every week and spends most of the week here.
He's a jew and there is no synagog here and he wants to send his
kids to private schools, so has chosen to do it like that. Gunna be
interesting to see how long he keeps that up for.

>>> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
>>> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.

>> Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:59 pm
From: ""

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:58:15 GMT, PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

>There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
>including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
>more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
>food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
>don't overdose.

Au contraire mon ami.....

It's not the "vitamins" so much as the minerals and trace elements.
Every day it seems, science finds a positive use for some trace element.
Did you get your daily dose of selenium, chromium, etc. today. ?

It's possible to get "everything"
if you have a nutritionist preparing every meal.
But most Americans don't eat mushrooms, or liver, or arugula every day.

At little more than a penny apiece, I figure a multi-vitamin/mineral pill
is damn cheap nutritional health insurance.

<rj>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

<RJ> <RJ> wrote
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote

>> There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
>> including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
>> more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an
>> optional food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want
>> with it. Just don't overdose.

> Au contraire mon ami.....

Bloody wogs.

> It's not the "vitamins" so much as the minerals and trace elements.
> Every day it seems, science finds a positive use for some trace element.

Pity that there are plenty of those in normal diets too.

> Did you get your daily dose of selenium, chromium, etc. today. ?

Pity that you aint established that most diets are deficient in those.

> It's possible to get "everything" if you have a nutritionist preparing every meal.

You dont need to do that to get more than you need of everything that matters.

> But most Americans don't eat mushrooms, or liver, or arugula every day.

They dont need to, or even every week either.

> At little more than a penny apiece, I figure a multi-vitamin/mineral
> pill is damn cheap nutritional health insurance.

More fool you.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:12 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> in news:5gmnqpF3e5j0vU1@mid.individual.net:

>"No Fear"
www.ecardecals.com/Calvin_Chevy1.jpg
late 80's to mid 90's :-)

they must be buying from one of those retro fashion/thrift stores.

i prefer the original (late 70's), which was "fear"

http://www.google.com/search?q=fear+%22love+living+in+the+city%22
http://www.7inchpunk.com/?p=31#comments

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:42 pm
From: "Robert Miller"

"Paul Thomas" <paulthomascpa@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:lytti.4858$2v5.4042@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Nick Hull" <nhull@isp.com> wrote
>> "Paul Thomas, CPA" <paulthomascpapc@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Robert Miller" <rober999@windstream.net> wrote
>>> > Currently I'm parked on my mother's property.
>>>
>>> > I live alone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Damn. Not a facts I'd put on the internet.
>>
>>
>> A woman can live alone and take care of herself :)
>
>
>
> Maybe so - but "Robert" - not Roberta........claimed to live on mama's
> property, and to be living alone.
>
>
Why would anyone have a problem with this?

Don't have to work nearly as hard to pay a mortgage, or pay all the extra t
axes that come with making the extra money. If I don't have to make as
much, I don't have to pay as much. Is this the problem? I can even take
my home from place to place.

Like the river or the lake and stay for the weekend or even a local resort
where I have a membership and stay for 2 weeks out of each month for
a few dollars a day. Plus yearly membership fees ofcoarse.

I'm not even retired is the best part of all. I should have done this years
ago.
>
> --
> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:51 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Kyser Soze <kyser_soze@fuckshitpussyfuck.com> in
news:a9q2b35h3gia7heqnm79nhvhf60k5sqq66@4ax.com:

> All of these companies have the same address:
>
> 1545 Capital Dr., Suite 100,
> Carrollton, Texas 75006

pinging PaPaPeng

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:57 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 8, 7:53 am, "hairy.stone" <hairy.st...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> learn more about your hair and options atwww.RUGhairclinic.co.ukJ:-)

I use hot melt glue and thread for hair on the kid's puppets. Looks
about the same.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:04 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> in
news:1186585040.635444.266940@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> thread

yarn or raffia builds bulk faster.

or let the kids do it themselves
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:01 am
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 8, 7:31 am, TheMic...@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you need extra income, Quickly and Legally?
> For The Price of 2 Happy Meals You Help Your Fellow Man
> Basically This is People Helping People
> "We can have anything we want in life if we're willing to help enough
> other people get what they want."
> - Zig Ziglar

I have this lingering thought that Oprah has a paid staff member
prepare or deliver a large pizza at 11PM every night before she goes
to bed. Her face is looking thinner, but overall, not so much.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:31 am
From: Ken Knecht

Gregory Morrow <gregorymorrow@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:1186439714.831613.198380@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> Ken Knecht wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried the $10 injet cartridge refills at Walgreens? How long
>> does it actually take them to refill a cartridge? Do the cartridges
>> work well? I have a black HP 832 cartridge I'm tempted to try.
>
>
> I just got the carts for my HP 842C inkjet refilled at Walgreens (one
> color, one b/w), I'm very pleased. Can't beat the price @ $25.00 for
> both refills...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>

Since I posted, I got the 832 cart filled. Took a half hour. Haven't
tried it yet. Sounds like I'll be pleased when I do.

--
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Every silver lining has a cloud.

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:49 am
From: me@privacy.net

"<RJ>" <baranick@localnet.com> wrote:

>I've been taking those WalMart vitamins for years.
>My wife and I split one pill every morning.
>( we feel a half-dose is adequate )

I may even split it in thirds

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:58 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:33:46 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Been thinking abt starting to take a daily vitamin such
>as Centrum
>
>But got to looking at label and some of the doses are
>at 400%!!
>
>I don't want to mega dose anything..... just get "some"
>dose for each thing
>
>Think it OK to cut vitamins in half or even quarters
>and take that way? Or do they have some kind of
>enteric coating on them that slows down absorption that
>cutting would hinder?

There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
don't overdose.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 9:58 am
From: rick++

> There are no nutritional deficiency problems in industrial countries
> including the US. The stuff you buy in an average grocery store is
> more than enough to provide a balanced diet. Vitamins are an optional
> food supplement not a medication. Do anything you want with it. Just
> don't overdose.

Yes there are.
Vitamin D is the prime example.
The optimal source is sun exposure, but dark complexion people
have to stay out longer. These and elderly may get insufficient sun,
especially in winter and high latitudes. The traditional method of
fortification is milk which intolerable for most non-European adults.
Vitamin D deficiency is strongly correlated with bone strength.
Correlation is obervsed with nerve diseases like MS and certain
cancers,
but causal link unknown.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 10:03 am
From: rick++

> I may even split it in thirds

Some medicines are not well-mixed within a pill.
This is of concern for where undosing (pain killer)
or overdosing (cutting for children) could be a
problem with just one dose. Something less crucial
like vitamins it doesnt matter as much if you dose
is doubel of half what you expect day to to day.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 8:53 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:48:46 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>

Blame the Fraziers.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 9:51 am
From: George Grapman

PaPaPeng wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:48:46 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
> <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>>
>
>
> Blame the Fraziers.

A few years ago I was given a Starbucks gift card. I got tired of
waiting 10 minutes for a simple coffee even though it was free .
I went back to my regular on the way to work place where the coffee was
better and service was faster.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 11:22 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05>, derjda@hotmail.com
says...
> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.

That's why Starbucks is so expensive. You have to pay extra for
the longer names.

--
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== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:02 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 11:22:50 -0700, Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG
<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote:

>In article <iJkui.7056$fk4.2281@trndny05>, derjda@hotmail.com
>says...
>> the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
>> and it's my only choice. i am always stuck behind some doof ordering a
>> drink which takes a dozen words to order. "triple shot half-decaf extra
>> hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
>> GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.
>
>
>That's why Starbucks is so expensive. You have to pay extra for
>the longer names.

Nah. Its because yoiu have to hire people who can listen and tell the
difference between a latte from ""why so late eh?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 10:12 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> me@privacy.net wrote
>>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote

>>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.

>>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!

>>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?

>> The top half of the NSW coast.

>> There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>> but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>> want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>> you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.

> Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact
> they're nearly reaching plague numbers despite what the
> shinybums in the wildlife lurk organisation thinks.

Yeah, gunna be interesting to see how long it takes before
they start shooting them again, like with the Fraser Island dingo
stupidity. That last took a dead kid before there was any action.

>> A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>> for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>> getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.

> He should migrate if he spends all winter there.

Trouble is that he doesnt like the summers there. And he's the diabetic
thats in the process of getting his feet cut off etc, the Qld health system
has one hell of a reputation even now. In spades after the Patel fiasco.

> Fact is that except for the humidity summer
> is better there than in the southern areas.

Dunno, I avoided even BrizVegas in summer when at all possible.

Coastal NSW is much better than that.

> Not as hot

Sure, but too hot/humid. I much prefer the 10 days over
100F we have here, because its only 10% humidity.

Corse I dont do stupid stuff like build houses at those temps anymore.

> nor are there any real numbers of flies.

True.

> Southern Australia is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.

Yeah, I wouldnt ever bother with South Australia at all myself. Or Victoria either.

> I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
> home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.

Yeah, my main hilarity is playing gin rummy for 3 months. No thanks.

Biting insects are a problem too.

Not as bad as the 90 Mile Beach in Victoria tho, its got a massive swamp
all along the area behind that beach and the mosquitos have 6 engines.

>> Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>> hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>> tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>> a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>> No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>> rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.

> The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer
> when considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are
> fly-in fly-out now so they don't do much for the region.

Yeah, tho the coast isnt too bad in spots.

> If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a lot
> of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling of our
> population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major centres,
> putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of remote areas.

Yeah, the effect has been quite dramatic.

> There are no places in Australia too cold by European or
> USA standards but some places do get a few snowfalls.

Yeah, tho they are only tiny, like Kiandra.

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:09 pm
From: Nick Hull

In article
<1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
EdwardATeller <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message

For many years before cell phones I used a system that would call
my pager and transmit a code telling me what was happening. It
works very well.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:02 pm
From: George Grapman

Some stores sell a battery operated device that attaches to a window
and emits a flashing red light. I keep one on my dash board.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:43 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Any diff between the brands in this small size? Or
should one just shop for price alone?

Id prefer a very efficient one...even if small (5 cu
ft)...... but not sue any diff between brands in this
size range

Advice?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

me@privacy.net wrote:

> Any diff between the brands in this small size?

Yes, particularly on how the shelves are done etc.

> Or should one just shop for price alone?

Nope.

> Id prefer a very efficient one...even if small (5 cu ft)......
> but not sue any diff between brands in this size range

There is on the shelf detail. Some have racks inside
the door and some dont, and some have slide out
bins and some just have fixed shelves.

> Advice?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 1:56 pm
From: freeisbest

Yahoo! News
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Angry Homeowners Take to the Web

By Maya Roney
Tue Aug 7, 8:08 AM ET

The outside of Susan Sabin's house in Lenexa, Kan., is covered with
lemons: lemon-shaped foam cutouts, twinkling lemon Christmas lights,
and a lemon-adorned wreath on the front door. If you go to her Web
site, you can see for yourself. You'll also see photographs of
splintered beams, bowed floors, and a graphic that declares: "Pulte
Homes sold me a lemon!"

Sabin has been called crazy, but she's not the only dissatisfied
customer. The Internet has rapidly become an outlet for frustrated
homeowners to chronicle their bad experiences with new homes they have
found to be structurally defective. Homeowners can now post
complaints, discuss legal options, and warn future buyers on at least
a dozen builder-directed "gripe sites," with names such as www.crapconstruction.com
and www.khovsucks.com.

Careless Building During Boom?

As home values decrease and home sales slow in many parts of the
country, construction problems seem to have become an even bigger
concern for homeowners. "I notice the traffic has definitely picked
up," says Andy Martin, a longtime consumer advocate who runs three
sites: www.FightPulte.com, www.FightDiVosta.com and www.FightDelWebb.com.
The three sites serve as national clearinghouses for those who think
they may be victims of shoddy construction. During the housing boom,
builders were working fast to keep up with all the people gobbling up
new properties, and Martin believes the quality of building suffered
as a result. "The pendulum swung too far in (the builders') favor," he
says. "The Internet now is rising to level the playing field."

For many of the creators and visitors to these Web sites, the problem
is water intrusion and mold, brought about, they claim, by faulty
construction. Dan Wenk, creator of www.levittandsonshome.org, claims
he was not able to return to his Levitt & Sons home in central Florida
after receiving chemotherapy because his immune system could not
tolerate the elevated mold levels. "I was struggling with my life-
threatening illness and now needed to find a new place to live," he
writes.

Levitt & Sons, a subsidiary of Levitt (NYSE:LEV - News), has not tried
to stop homeowners like Wenk from using the Internet as a sounding
board. "Today consumers increasingly turn to the Internet and other
new forums to share their opinions and openly discuss products," said
Levitt & Sons President Seth Wise in regard to Wenk's site. "While at
times it may be difficult, Levitt Corporation welcomes this evolution
as it creates an open dialogue and enables our employees and
subcontractors to be accessible and accountable to all of our
homeowners."

In Lieu of Litigation

In Sabin's case, the culprit is a type of soil called fat clay that
swells excessively and has been pushing apart the frame, doors, and
ceilings of the brand new home she bought last summer. The builder,
Bloomfield (Mich.)-based Pulte Homes (NYSE:PHM - News), should have
tested the soil before constructing her house, Sabin says. Pulte has
come in to make repairs, but Sabin claims they have proved futile as
the soil continues to exert pressure on her foundation. The value of
the home has fallen nearly $120,000 in the past six months, Sabin
writes on her site. She now wants Pulte to buy back her home, but they
refuse. "I try not to be emotional, but I live in this house every
single day," Sabin says. "I have a right to be emotional about this."

But Sabin doesn't have a right to sue the builder. Not yet, anyway.
Many new-home sales contracts, including Pulte's, state that disputes
related to the purchase of the home must be settled by arbitration
before moving to court. For now, Sabin says she's content to use her
Web site to spread the word and prevent others from going through a
similar ordeal.

Pulte says it provides each new homeowner with a 50-page "Pulte
Protection Plan" detailing a limited warranty in which the builder
agrees to repairs for one year after the purchase on the house is
closed. "We have identified the problem with her home, we've developed
a plan to fix it, and we've made the offer to her to fix it, but Ms.
Sabin refuses to let us make the necessary repairs to her home," says
Mark Marymee, a spokesperson for Pulte. "If Susan Sabin had spent half
the energy working with us as she's put into her Web site, this
problem could have been resolved by now."

Builders Threaten Libel Suits

Builders do seem to be concerned about the effect of gripe sites on
their reputation. Miami-based builder Lennar (NYSE:LEN - News) has
filed more than one lawsuit against Mike Morgan, a Florida real estate
broker who runs www.defective-homes.net. In a complaint filed July 30
in Charleston County, S.C., Lennar alleges that Morgan "engaged in a
concerted scheme to defame Lennar publicly with the goal of extracting
from Lennar financial payments." On July 20, a federal magistrate
judge in Florida recommended a preliminary injunction preventing
Morgan from using the word "Lennar" in Web site domain names.

"They want me dead, there's no way around that," says Morgan, who
claims he is now bankrupt and unable to afford legal fees. "If I lose
these things, it sets precedents for every other group that has a
gripe site." If you search "Lennar" on Google (NasdaqGS:GOOG - News),
Morgan's site, which he says gets 15,000 visitors a month, comes up
near the top of the page.

Builders may be able to win a lawsuit against a poster or Web site
creator who cannot back up a statement they post online about
defective construction. "The angry homeowner who posts messages on
these sites is not protected from libel actions," says Susan Grogan
Faller, who practices First Amendment law with a focus on media and
Internet for Frost Brown Todd in Cincinnati. "False and inflammatory
statements are not protected."

Faller says she is unaware of any lawsuit in which a judgment was
taken against a poster on a real estate gripe site. But because it's
such a new area, posters and Web masters may not realize that they are
at risk. "I think people are used to the concept that someone can sue
the newspaper, or magazine, or television station for libel, but
they're not used to the concept that they themselves can be sued (for
posting on the Internet)."

Paying Complainers to Go Away

Because of the binding arbitration clause in many new-home contracts,
unsatisfied homeowners rarely make a court hearing -- or the
headlines. "I think that the problem with construction defects has
been under the radar for so long," says Nancy Seats, president of
Homeowners Against Deficient Dwellings (HADD), a nonprofit consumer
protection group for homeowners dealing with defective construction.
"People just don't understand how many people are just being
financially destroyed by bad construction and binding arbitration. But
now more and more people are going to the Internet to expose their
problems and get back at the builder."

What happens instead of a trial, Seats says, is that big builders pay
people to shut down their builder-bashing Web sites. It's true that
many links to former sites are now defunct, including the once-popular
KBHomesSucks.com. "This was the most outstanding Web site, and KB
Homes tried to sue them," Seats says. "The vast majority of (now-
defunct sites) were people that were paid to shut up and go away."
Repeated calls from BusinessWeek to KB Homes (NYSE:KBH - News) have,
as yet, gone unanswered.

Now homebuilders are hurting, leading some angry homeowners to worry
that construction defects may become even more common as builders try
to cut costs. Sales of new homes fell 6.6% in June, to an annualized
rate of 834,000, and builders have been reporting lousy earnings
numbers (see BusinessWeek.com, 7/7/07, "Homebuilders in a Hole"). "The
builders are in very precarious shape," says Martin. "It's a very
dangerous period right now in the housing industry."

For future angry homeowners, there will no doubt be plenty of new
places to complain.

Click through BusinessWeek's slide show for a look at some of the
angriest real estate gripe sites.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:08 pm
From: "Choise76Smu@EhOhEll.Net"

Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> in news:srhi-
ED5619.07395408082007@newsgroups.comcast.net:

> www.autoscoop.com

i shoved low total $ and low miles inputs into the form. it gave me two 2007 trucks.
but each "total" amount was obviously a down payment ($4k and $6k).

so i guess a few of the dealers need to be more careful about data entry.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:15 pm
From: "motha! that's moi"

barbie gee <barbie.gee@NOSESPAMgmail.com> in
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0708071000370.21328@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz:

> On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
>> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
>> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
>> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
>> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
>> paper towels before use?
>>
>
> well, actually, I bet if you just pressed them after machine washing,
> they'd look beautiful!

and depending on the colors, lay rose petals or lavender tips between each towel (no,
do we call them "towels" oüg, how Gauche)

> (Martha is kinda crazy...)
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:30 am
From: Proginoskes

On Aug 7, 9:36 pm, conspiracy.bla...@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.nasaconspiracy.net/2007/08/huge-tits.html- Huge tits!
> would eye lie to you?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:03 am
From: junoexpress

On Aug 8, 5:30 am, Proginoskes <CCHeck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 7, 9:36 pm, conspiracy.bla...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >http://www.nasaconspiracy.net/2007/08/huge-tits.html-Huge tits!
> > would eye lie to you?
>
> http://www.matematycy.interklasa.pl/images/nagrody/nagrodzeni/wolfa/t...
>
> More Tits! Would eye lie to you?
>
> --- Christopher Heckman

Are they measured with the Tits metric?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 2:38 am
From: Jimington

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 05:13:53 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>me@privacy.net wrote
>> Jimington <wvzubqtr@gfa.pp> wrote
>
>>> Perhaps it'd be wise to add that the climate can vary a
>>> bit since Australia takes up 7+ million km² of the earth's
>>> surface area. My bit of Australia doesn't get (anywhere near)
>>> as cold as Rod's nor has as many or as severe hot days.
>
>> Oh sure. understand that. I realize Aus is BIG!!
>
>> So...in your opinion what part of Aus has best
>> climate overall.... not to hot... not too cold?
>
>The top half of the NSW coast.
>
>There are some real advantages with coastal Queensland,
>but its got the massive problem that the summer when you
>want to go swimming sees stingers in the water than can kill
>you. And a hell of a problem with sandflys etc in the winter too.
>
Crocodiles are becoming a real problem now too, in fact they're nearly
reaching plague numbers despite what the shinybums in the wildlife
lurk organisation thinks.

>A crazy mate of mine migrates to a trailer park outside Ayr
>for the winter, and a pack of them play gin rummy for 3 months
>getting blotto every day. Not my idea of how to spend the winter.
>
He should migrate if he spends all winter there. Fact is that except
for the humidity summer is better there than in the southern areas.
Not as hot nor are there any real numbers of flies. Southern Australia
is plagued by flies whenever it warms up.
I've stayed at that park myself and it certainly is a home away from
home for hordes of people, and they treat it that way, it's spotless.

>Coastal Western Australia has some real advantages but its one
>hell of a long way from anywhere. Great employment prospects
>tho, its one of the states with a 1.x% unemployment rate. Its such
>a boom that finding someone to live is one hell of a problem tho.
>No big deal if you dont mind living in an RV and getting stinking
>rich on the very high wages they pay in the mining industry tho.
>
The lack of population centres away from Perth is a real downer when
considering moving. Most if not all mines anywhere are fly-in fly-out
now so they don't do much for the region.
If some areas could just get to a certain population level then a lot
of other livability factors would fall into place but the doubling of
our population over the last 50 years has all gone to the major
centres, putting extra stress on them and sucking the life out of
remote areas.
There are no places in Australia too cold by European or USA standards
but some places do get a few snowfalls.

Jim.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:29 am
From: samdaman34@hotmail.com (Sam)

I discovered Google Voice Local Search in a web forum recently. It's
*free* and it works great. It's better than being raped for $1.49 a pop
for 411 calls from Verizon, on top of their airtime charges.

http://labs.google.com/goog411/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:06 am
From: Larry

samdaman34@hotmail.com (Sam) wrote in news:20070808102921.C00B04E759
@outpost.zedz.net:

> I discovered Google Voice Local Search in a web forum recently. It's
> *free* and it works great. It's better than being raped for $1.49 a pop
> for 411 calls from Verizon, on top of their airtime charges.
>
> http://labs.google.com/goog411/
>
>
>

http://www.switchboard.com/

IT even finds people who are unlisted, unpublished or just plain un a lot
of the time. It also does reverse lookups...handy.

Larry
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 3:59 am
From: plenty560@yahoo.com

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:32 am
From: EdwardATeller

I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
product like this, I'd love to hear about it.

Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:38 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <1186572757.770933.68050@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
EdwardATeller <sorry_no_email@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.

Consumer Reports had an extensive article exactly on this subject a
month or two ago. You might want to check out the review online or at
your public library.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 5:46 am
From: Kendog

EdwardATeller wrote:
> I'd like to have a simple alarm. It could be as basic as a motion
> detector that sets off a loud siren. I think that would scare off the
> majority of intruders. We come in through the garage, so I would
> just throw the circuit breaker to turn it off. If anyone knows a
> product like this, I'd love to hear about it.
>
> Then I started thinking about something a little more elaborate. What
> if you had a cell phone attached to the motion detector that could be
> set to dial a number if it were set off? For example, it could dial
> 911 and play a recorded message saying the house address and there was
> a burglary in process. Or it could dial my cell phone, and then I
> could decide if I wanted to dial 911. A Virgin Mobile cell phone
> works out under $6 a month, much cheaper than a monitoring contract.
>

http://www.lasershield.net/

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:39 am
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <0fnib3pnrkknbifu8mhr1qutvigo91ese5@4ax.com>,
Greg <kismet2463@mypacks.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:54:39 -0700, bob@coolgroups.com wrote:
>
> >I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
> >is.
>
> Kia Rio, Hyundai Accent, and Toyota Yaris all start out around ten or
> eleven thousand dollars US.

Yup, and this sort of thing is very easy to research online for those
who are interested. The web site at http://www.autoscoop.com lets you
put in a dollar amount or monthly payment and it will tell you the cars
you can afford based on that criteria.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:49 am
From: Abe

>I was just wondering what the cheapest new car you can get in America
>is.

The 2 least expensive vehicles sold in the US, by list price are:

2008 Chevrolet Aveo 9,995
2007 Hyundai Accent 10,415

If you want the cheapest car, that'll take some research. Cheap and
inexpensive aren't the same thing.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 4:53 am
From: "hairy.stone"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:03 am
From: "Chloe"

"Wayne Sallee" <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote in message
news:46b9220b$0$16366$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>
>
> Rod Speed wrote on 8/7/2007 9:45 PM:
>> Wayne Sallee <Wayne@WayneSallee.com> wrote:
>
> Snip
>
>>> Before you do, take a look at this and give it some thought.
>>
>>> http://www.leesburgnazarene.org/eternallife.html
>>
>> No thanks, just the usual crap that pervades that pathetic excuse for a
>> fairy story.
>>
>> And even that pathetic excuse for a fairy story can be used to justify
>> suicide anyway.
>
> I was not telling you to go there. And I can tell by your response that
> you didn't :-)
>
> Wayne Sallee
> Webmaster@LeesburgNazarene.org

I'm not sure that reading a web site or contacting any religious
organization would do the OP much good at this point--he seems extremely
hopeless, consumed by loneliness, and intent on ending the pain he's in. A
visit with a pastor *might* help (or more importantly, yield some leads for
help), but I'd direct him to one of the less conservative denominations like
the Unitarians, Episcopalians, or the ELCA Lutherans, as opposed to a
Nazarene church. Someplace he'll hear more about love, less about judgment.

Sorry you won't like this, Mr. Sallee, but that's just how I see it, based
on my experience.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:11 am
From: jessi

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:05 am
From: clams casino

jessi wrote:

> Samsung P310 Unlocked GSM Credit Card Cell Phone
>
>
>
So this moron from Pakistan is still having problems unlocking his cell
phone?

Hint - this is not a help desk for cell phones.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 6:59 am
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Mahesh wrote:

>Hi friends,
>
>Visit the Best deals & coupons
>

Now exactly why is someone from Andhra Pradesh, India spamming coupons
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Yes, we have no rupees today.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:26 am
From: "Chloe"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:L_jui.43602$GO6.6246@newsfe21.lga...
> Mahesh wrote:
>
>>Hi friends,
>>
>>Visit the Best deals & coupons
>
>
> Now exactly why is someone from Andhra Pradesh, India spamming coupons on
> this newsgroup?
>
> Yes, we have no rupees today.

Clams, I have to admit, I'm curious why you're so interested in talking to
the spammers. Lonely, maybe? Too much time on your hands? What?

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== 1 of 1 ==
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== 2 of 2 ==
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TOPIC: Confessions of a Starbucks Barista
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:37 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

Jesse, who has worked at Starbucks for almost a year, has written a
mythbusting "Buyer's Guide" that will help you in your quest to save money
when ordering your favorite Starbucks beverage. Our favorite tips?
Frappucinos are a rip off, there's no free ride at the drive-thru, and
ordering a latte with chai syrup is cheaper than a chai with espresso.

Consumerist drinks its coffee black, but Jesse obviously loves the
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http://consumerist.com/consumer/coffee/confessions-of-a-starbucks-barista-271348.php

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:38 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

Why pay full price for a Starbucks concoction when a little ordering jujitsu
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http://consumerist.com/consumer/coffee/order-a-starbucks-tazo-chai-latte-for-half-price-286804.php

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 8 2007 7:48 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

the only time i purchase coffee from starbucks is when i am in an airport
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hot venti latte no whip double baggged half cocked sprinkle dinkle doo".
GAH!!! what the hell happened to "large coffee"? damn yuppies.

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