Frugal Living: May 22, 2008

Thursday, May 22, 2008

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TOPIC: What's the best purchase you've ever made and why ?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 11:05 am
From: Dennis

On Thu, 22 May 2008 09:33:58 -0700 (PDT), "rick++"
<rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On May 17, 7:49 pm, "beadsbyirene" <sanerthan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You guys are so materialistic. The best purchase I ever made was a marriage
>> license for 3 bucks 48 years ago.
>
>Whats non-materialistic about a free maid, a free nanny,
>guaranteed sexual relief, and an inheritance mechanism? :-)

If you think any of those things comes free in a marriage, I'm
guessing you have never been married. ;-)

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 11:25 am
From: meatnub

I forgot: my Homelite corded lawnmower! Comes with a mulcher
attachment so no more bags of grass, no more raking!

Been using it for 2 months now and works great. I use two 50' outdoor
extension cords and it works just fine with them, no loss of power.

And of course it's electric and not gas, so when I store it in the
garage, no fumes in the house.

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TOPIC: Trader Joe's, Whole Foods
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 11:08 am
From: meatnub

When these places opened up near me it was cool to go to them for the
novelty of something new, different foods and what not, healthier too.
That was about 2, 3 years ago.

Have these places gotten any more expensive?

Now that I intend to cook from scratch a lot more, and eat healthier
(now that my wife and I have a 1 year old son), I am thinking about
going to a butcher for meats and visitings these stores for natural
food (with less or no preservatives or pesticides in their products).

I just wonder now that they are popular if their prices have risen
significantly, esp. with the cost of gas going up?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:24 pm
From: The Real Bev

meatnub wrote:

> When these places opened up near me it was cool to go to them for the
> novelty of something new, different foods and what not, healthier too.
> That was about 2, 3 years ago.
>
> Have these places gotten any more expensive?

Whole Foods was always expensive. I bought some grind-on-the-spot
peanut butter there at an inflated price and was definitely
disappointed; it was nowhere near as good as Ralph's 'natural' peanut
butter. My friend lied.

Trader Joe's prices have crept upward just like everything else. I buy
their stuff because it's good at a reasonable price.

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Bev
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"Why does everybody always forget the eigthth dwarf? Just because
poor old Lumpy died of cancer doesn't mean he should be written
out of history." -- RMassey

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:49 pm
From: George Grapman

The Real Bev wrote:
> meatnub wrote:
>
>> When these places opened up near me it was cool to go to them for the
>> novelty of something new, different foods and what not, healthier too.
>> That was about 2, 3 years ago.
>>
>> Have these places gotten any more expensive?
>
> Whole Foods was always expensive. I bought some grind-on-the-spot
> peanut butter there at an inflated price and was definitely
> disappointed; it was nowhere near as good as Ralph's 'natural' peanut
> butter. My friend lied.
>
> Trader Joe's prices have crept upward just like everything else. I buy
> their stuff because it's good at a reasonable price.
>
I rarely go to Whole Foods but few weeks ago I wanted a sandwich and
a pastry. I had a croissant for $2.30 ( I have had them before) and next
to it was a donut at the same price.Yes,it was vegan, organic, etc. but
it was still a donut.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 3:34 pm
From: "Evelyn C. Leeper"

George Grapman wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> meatnub wrote:
>>
>>> When these places opened up near me it was cool to go to them for the
>>> novelty of something new, different foods and what not, healthier too.
>>> That was about 2, 3 years ago.
>>>
>>> Have these places gotten any more expensive?
>>
>> Whole Foods was always expensive. I bought some grind-on-the-spot
>> peanut butter there at an inflated price and was definitely
>> disappointed; it was nowhere near as good as Ralph's 'natural' peanut
>> butter. My friend lied.
>>
>> Trader Joe's prices have crept upward just like everything else. I
>> buy their stuff because it's good at a reasonable price.
>>
> I rarely go to Whole Foods but few weeks ago I wanted a sandwich and
> a pastry. I had a croissant for $2.30 ( I have had them before) and next
> to it was a donut at the same price.Yes,it was vegan, organic, etc. but
> it was still a donut.

Whole Foods is good for bulk grains, etc. (in part because they are
pretty much the only game in town for things like quinoa), but expensive
for everything else. (I buy habaneros there, but that's only about
fifteen cents for two, so the high price doesn't matter as much. :-) )

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test
a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:32 pm
From: George Grapman

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> meatnub wrote:
>>>
>>>> When these places opened up near me it was cool to go to them for the
>>>> novelty of something new, different foods and what not, healthier too.
>>>> That was about 2, 3 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Have these places gotten any more expensive?
>>>
>>> Whole Foods was always expensive. I bought some grind-on-the-spot
>>> peanut butter there at an inflated price and was definitely
>>> disappointed; it was nowhere near as good as Ralph's 'natural' peanut
>>> butter. My friend lied.
>>>
>>> Trader Joe's prices have crept upward just like everything else. I
>>> buy their stuff because it's good at a reasonable price.
>>>
>> I rarely go to Whole Foods but few weeks ago I wanted a sandwich
>> and a pastry. I had a croissant for $2.30 ( I have had them before)
>> and next to it was a donut at the same price.Yes,it was vegan,
>> organic, etc. but it was still a donut.
>
> Whole Foods is good for bulk grains, etc. (in part because they are
> pretty much the only game in town for things like quinoa), but expensive
> for everything else. (I buy habaneros there, but that's only about
> fifteen cents for two, so the high price doesn't matter as much. :-) )
>

I did notice that milk at Whole Foods is cheaper than the two major
grocery chains here and by cheaper I mean almost a dollar less for a
half gallon.
I like their sandwiches partially because they are good and also they
have a smart ordering format- they have paper bags and pencils on the
counter. The bags have meats,cheeses,spreads,condiments,bread,etc. You
check the appropriate boxes and had the bag to server thereby avoiding
the people who,when their turn comes, go into the "uhhhhhh.....roast
beef and...........uhhhhhhhhh" routine.

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TOPIC: "U.S. court: currency discriminates against the blind"
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 11:20 am
From: George

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>> the head of visa said that we'd be cashless by either 2010 or 2012.
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2012-says-visa-chief-439676.html
>>
>> at that point cc companies will collect a percentage from both the buyer and
>> the seller.
>
> The head of Visa is an opportunistic twit, and besides that, the
> article refers to europe, not the U.S.

Sure, but visa is a global thing. I have no doubt in my mind that
outfits like visa are doing everything they can to cause a move to a
cashless system where a tribute to them would need to be paid for each
transaction.

>
> The mint has been behind the curve for years. The issue of lack of
> kinesthetically identifying marks is not limited to blind people and
> has been the bane of people handling cash for decades. When rushed,
> and putting together straps of money, it isn't unusual for a bill or
> two to get mixed into the wrong strap - a fiver in a 50 wrap of ones,
> etc.
>
> Just how hard is it to put an identifying dog ear on two opposing
> corners of each bill? That way, a strap of singles would all have a
> notch at one point, a fiver might have a two notches, or a squarish
> shape instead of a triangle, or a curved cut off end instead of an
> angular one, etc.. This isn't rocket science. As long as the cutouts
> affected the ends of the notes instead of the long sides, most
> existing equipment would handle the change without modification.
>
>
>
Possible, but who will lobby for that? Banks make a lot of money with
plastic and have the warchests to purchase mindshare and the appropriate
politicians.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 11:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"

George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> the head of visa said that we'd be cashless by either 2010 or 2012.

What happened to 2011 ?

>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/cashless-society-by-2012-says-visa-chief-439676.html

>>> at that point cc companies will collect a percentage from both the buyer and the seller.

>> The head of Visa is an opportunistic twit, and besides that, the article refers to europe, not the U.S.

> Sure, but visa is a global thing. I have no doubt in my mind that outfits like visa are doing everything they can to
> cause a move to a cashless system where a tribute to them would need to be paid for each transaction.

Sure, but the point is that there is nothing they can actually do to stop the use of cash.

Its never going to happen, you watch.

>> The mint has been behind the curve for years. The issue of lack of
>> kinesthetically identifying marks is not limited to blind people and
>> has been the bane of people handling cash for decades. When rushed,
>> and putting together straps of money, it isn't unusual for a bill or two to get mixed into the wrong strap - a fiver
>> in a 50 wrap of ones, etc.

>> Just how hard is it to put an identifying dog ear on two opposing
>> corners of each bill? That way, a strap of singles would all have a
>> notch at one point, a fiver might have a two notches, or a squarish
>> shape instead of a triangle, or a curved cut off end instead of an
>> angular one, etc.. This isn't rocket science. As long as the
>> cutouts affected the ends of the notes instead of the long sides,
>> most existing equipment would handle the change without modification.

> Possible, but who will lobby for that?

It aint about lobbying except in the US and maybe Canada.

It would be interesting to know why other modern first world countrys dont use that
approach, maybe it increases the risk of damage to the notes too much or something.

It seems a bit unlikely that no one has ever considered it carefully.

> Banks make a lot of money with plastic

Banks arent the ones that decide that basic policy stuff.

> and have the warchests to purchase mindshare and the appropriate politicians.

It doesnt work like that outside the US and possibly Canada.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:15 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <Xns9AA4B28B7F129nooneyodoorbiz@38.119.97.3>,
noone@yodoor.biz says...
> An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind because
> blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. This is
> another bullshit, frivilous case. Next, the courts will be saying that
> Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't
> operate motorcycles.
>
> There are some stupid judges and attorneys. Obviously, common sense isn't
> a requirement to go into law.
>
> A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. They could even
> ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> duped. So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.
> They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> clerk. And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2
> bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> $10's.
>
> They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. So
> they know what's in each pouch.

On the other hand, the US Bureau Of Printing And Engraving could
start printing the notes in slightly different sizes. Like is
done in some other countries.

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== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:16 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <29f173cb-7663-4ece-9f25-
bdf144050991@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, seerialmom@yahoo.com
says...
> On May 20, 2:36=A0pm, jd <no...@yodoor.biz> wrote:
> > An appeals court said that currency discriminates against the blind becaus=
> e
> > blind folks can't tell what the denomination of their bills are. =A0This i=
> s
> > another bullshit, frivilous case. =A0Next, the courts will be saying that
> > Harley-Davidson discriminates against the blind because blind people can't=
>
> > operate motorcycles.
> >
> > There are some stupid judges and attorneys. =A0Obviously, common sense isn=
> 't
> > a requirement to go into law.
> >
> > A simple way for blind people to handle money is for them to ask the bank
> > clerk for all $5's when they take money out of the bank. =A0They could eve=
> n
> > ask for the bank manager to count the money to make sure they weren't
> > duped. =A0So if they go to Borders to buy a CD and the total comes to $13.=
> =A0
> > They can peel off 3 $5's out of their pouch of $5's and hand them to the
> > clerk. =A0And then when they get $2 back, they can rest assured that the 2=
>
> > bills are both $1's because the clerk certainly wouldn't give them back 2
> > $10's.
> >
> > They can have a specially shaped pouch for $20's, one for $5's, etc.. =A0S=
> o
> > they know what's in each pouch.

> Should be interesting to see how this pans out. On a semi-related
> note, a long time cashier at the main courthouse in Sacramento is
> blind. AFAIK he hasn't been cheated by patrons, even though $1 feels
> the same as $5?

Yet another reason for mass-adoption of the one dollar coins.
Like the ones that are currently being cranked out by the
millions.

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== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 5:17 pm
From: "Lou"

> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Just how hard is it to put an identifying dog ear on two opposing
> > corners of each bill? That way, a strap of singles would all have a
> > notch at one point, a fiver might have a two notches, or a squarish
> > shape instead of a triangle, or a curved cut off end instead of an
> > angular one, etc.. This isn't rocket science. As long as the cutouts
> > affected the ends of the notes instead of the long sides, most
> > existing equipment would handle the change without modification.

That strikes me as too simple - how hard would it be to take a pair of
scissors and change a one dollar bill into a fiver?

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TOPIC: sewing bought fitted sheets to fit
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 1:56 pm
From: Al Bundy

berger...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Most of the time I buy King Size fitted sheets they are much too
> loose. How to alter the seams so it fits tighter?
>
> Fran

I'm sure you could sew a pleat in there to fit better. Experiment with
a wide stitch that can easily be removed. Once you have the ideal, go
with it.

You could pin them at the corners down low. That works, but it's more
effort.

I know that the quality of mattress makes a difference too. Now that I
switched to a better product, I found that all the fitted sheets are
tighter as the mattress is fatter.

You could shrink them in the dryer.

If you don't have a king sized bed and insist on buying oversize
sheets, well, ...duh.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:19 pm
From: The Real Bev

Al Bundy wrote:

> berger...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Most of the time I buy King Size fitted sheets they are much too
>> loose. How to alter the seams so it fits tighter?

Seams? I didn't know sheets had seams.

Got a buttonhole maker and some shoelaces? Put two buttonholes in each
corner such that when you run a shoelace through them and tie it the
sheet will fit as tightly as you want.

> I'm sure you could sew a pleat in there to fit better. Experiment with
> a wide stitch that can easily be removed. Once you have the ideal, go
> with it.
>
> You could pin them at the corners down low. That works, but it's more
> effort.

The pins will probably also tear the sheet.

> I know that the quality of mattress makes a difference too. Now that I
> switched to a better product, I found that all the fitted sheets are
> tighter as the mattress is fatter.

I just bought the 12" memory foam mattress from Costco. The sheets I
bought for it fit up to a 17" mattress. Oh well.

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TOPIC: reasons for Erectile Dysfunction
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 1:58 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 22, 5:16 am, jeff.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

> a> Treatment To ED

I always figured Elizabeth was the main cause of Bob Dole's ED.

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TOPIC: would you want to buy cheap something?welcome towww.shoes1998.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:00 pm
From: Al Bundy

On May 22, 10:47 am, swukon...@gmail.com wrote:
> would you want to buy cheap something?

No.
I want something that is cost effective, not just cheap. And crap sold
on scam sites does not qualify.

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TOPIC: Prison Inmate Day
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Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:07 pm
From: Al Bundy

CWISF.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The Caribbean West Indies, Sorority-Fraternity -Tau Omega Alpa is a DC
> no profit, we are host for Prison Inmate Day.
> In order to raise money, we have an online shopping mall linked to
> secure web sites.
>

It cost $100/day to house a prisoner where I live. I figure that I am
paying enough already without supporting the rest of the family too,
which I'm probably subsidizing in various ways as well.

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TOPIC: This is supposed to be an election where all the votes are counted, not
a Madonna concert !
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:36 pm
From: "DaVoice"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote

>> If I'm not mistaken, Obama took his name off the ballot (or never
>> petitioned to be on the ballot), respecting the rules of the DNC.
>> Hillary did not. How can a delegation representing those
>> circumstances be considered legit?
>
> It can't be legitimate. Hilly is such a hypocrite. She was one of the
> most vocal supporters of putting Michigan and Florida in the dog house
> for moving up their primaries. Now that she's behind, Clinton suddenly
> thinks they should undo what she supported in the first place.
>
> The only fair thing to do is to split Michigan's delegates 50-50 between
> Obama and Clinton. Of course, since that would not result in any change
> at all in the outcome of primary season, why bother?

If Michigans delegates were counted and split 50/50 that would be a net gain
for Obama, since he wasn't even on the ballot because he was PLAYING BY THE
RULES. The DNC said Florida and Michigan would not be seated or counted at
the convention, so he didn't campain there. Who in their right mind would?
Hillary did, and that is one of the reasons she's still hanging around so
she can try to recoup the money she loaned her campaign that was spent in a
place that "wasn't supposed to count". Now she's in Florida crying out
about *every vote should count* when she was well aware of the fact that
those votes and delegates would NOT be counted before the primary took
place. The DNC screwed the pooch here, and now there is no "quick fix" they
are stuck with Obama, who they really want to abandon like rats from a
sinking ship, and Hillary wants him to lose to McDumbshit so she has HER
shot in 4 years.

Ramble over.

Rick "DaVoice" Charles
Most likely undervoting the POTUS slot on the ballot

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:56 pm
From: WuzYoungOnceToo

On May 22, 5:09 am, Shawn Hirn <s...@comcast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <58679a2c-b87d-4d7f-9c12-fe855d8ae...@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> OrangeSFO <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 21, 9:04 pm, tobetbaa <tobet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> > > climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> > > will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> > > election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> > > staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> > > after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> > > Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> > > count all the votes.
>
> > >http://surftofind.com/obama
>
> > If I'm not mistaken, Obama took his name off the ballot (or never
> > petitioned to be on the ballot), respecting the rules of the DNC.
> > Hillary did not. How can a delegation representing those
> > circumstances be considered legit?
>
> It can't be legitimate. Hilly is such a hypocrite.

At this point both sides are flagrant hypocrites. Ever since late
2000 the religious mantra from the Dems was "Every vote should count"
along with the word "disenfranchised" being slipped into every
discussion possible. The irony was that in 2000 the vast majority of
the voters they claim were "disenfranchised" shouldered at least part
of the blame themselves (inability to understand a simple ballot,
properly punch out a chad, etc.) Now we have two entire states of Dem
voters who are being told that their votes won't count due to
absolutely no fault of their own. Of course we're not hearing much
outrage over this from Obama supporters, are we? That is, unless
there's some secret meaning to "fuck 'em" that I'm not aware of.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 6:13 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> It can't be legitimate. Hilly is such a hypocrite. She was one of the
> most vocal supporters of putting Michigan and Florida in the dog house
> for moving up their primaries. Now that she's behind, Clinton suddenly
> thinks they should undo what she supported in the first place.
>
> The only fair thing to do is to split Michigan's delegates 50-50 between
> Obama and Clinton. Of course, since that would not result in any change
> at all in the outcome of primary season, why bother?

No, if the DNC doesn't recognize both Florida and Michigan's
primaries as legitimate, they should both refuse to put the Democratic
party's candidate on their ballots in November, and ignore any write-ins
for that candidate.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

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TOPIC: Sony HC5E low frame rate in low light
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 2:56 pm
From: "Michael Kennedy"

"D" <tarb@bk.ru> wrote in message
news:8176d4f2-bd92-4478-9f41-94c231ab1ec3@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On May 22, 11:19 am, "Michael Kennedy" <Mikek...@remthis.comcast.net>
wrote:
> "D" <t...@bk.ru> wrote in message
>
> news:1da0dd27-604a-47dc-a759-7635083f9b5d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 21, 6:18 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 7:02 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > > On May 21, 3:54 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On May
> > > 21,
> > > 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hello!
> > > > > Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building,
> > > > > shot
> > > > > by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps?
> > > > > My
> > > > > 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video
> > > > > was
> > > > > always fluid.
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Dima
>
> > > > Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a
> > > > low
> > > > light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen
>
> > > Thanks for replying!
> > > No, it's not the low light mode. I do not enable it and it is not
> > > indicated on the screen.
>
> > You said panoramic is that a special wide mode, if its new take it
> > back, sony manuals are junk, and I found options even Sony support did
> > not even know that are not in my manual, that I could shoot stills
> > while taking video on an old unit. They have so much new stuff out its
> > hard to know all the operating parameters on every model. Keep looking
> > you will figure it out, but color slow shutter may be automatic and
> > its on with Night Shot on mine- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Thanks Mark for replying!
> Panoramic video means that you turn a camcorder around its axis during
> recording.
>
> <snip>
>
> What?? If that is the actual function setting, it makes no sense at all to
> have such a setting. You could do the same thing with any video camera.
> Are
> you sure it is not a wide screen setting?
>
> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thank Mike for replying!
What "function setting" do you mean?
I meant panning shooting by a panoramic video.
I use wide lens angle usually during panning.

Oh, I understand what you mean now. Reading through this I thought you meant
there was a panoramic setting. Now I understand you are using a wide angle
lesnse and taking a panoramic shot.

Apprently you are not the only one having problems with this camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv4b4wTrYr0]

If you just bougth it return it and get another to see if it has the same
problem.

Mike

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:03 pm
From: Jeff

HIGH-PRICED-GAS-STINX wrote:
> HELLO ALL!
>
> QUIT GIVING ALL OF YOUR CASH TO THE GAS STATION!
>
> CONVERT YOUR CAR TO HYBRID FOR ABOUT$150 AND SAVE!!
>
> EASY TO PERFORM CONVERSION USES STANDARD READILY AVAILABLE PARTS.
>
> YOU OR YOUR MECHANIC CAN CONVERT YOUR CAR TO HYBRID AND YOU CAN BEGIN
> SAVING!!!
>
> NO NEED TO PAY THOSE HIGH PRICES FOR THOSE "FACTORY" HYBRID CARS.
>
> CONVERT YOUR OWN CAR FOR A MERE FRACTION OF THE COST QUICKLY!!

I don't know about this, but, I've just converted one of my cars to run
on water! So far, it runs downhill fine, so I'm halfway there.

Jeff

>
> SEE A CONVERSION RUNNING AND SAVING GAS TODAY!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 6:04 pm
From: "Lou"

"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cd7aa6bf-1d06-4dd9-aa1d-7bd140c82be3@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
> >Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
> >get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
> >car:
>
> >http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/19/davis.solar.car.ktvb?i...
> deosearch
>
> >BTW there "may" be a brief commercial first, that's how CNN is of
> >course.
>
> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff like, how
> much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny day, what's the
range
> at night, how long does it take to recharge using solar alone, how long to
> recharge from the plug?

>> I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
>> solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
>> electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
>> behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
>> can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D

We can make some guesses. The energy in sunlight varies with latitude, time
of day, weather, etc. but a rough average would be on the order of a square
meter receiving about a kilowatt hour per hour on a sunny day. If we assume
a conversion efficiency of 20% and estimate the panels on the car to be 3
square meters, the panels produce roughly six-tenths of a kilowatt hour of
electricity per hour. I don't know the efficiency involved in charging
batteries, but let's assume 90% of the electricity fed into the batteries
can be delivered as useful energy when the batteries are discharged. Which
gives us .54 kWh per daylight hour. Assuming an average of 12 hours of
sunlight per day (I know that's high, the real number is probably more like
half that but these are back of the envelop estimates), the car-plus-panels
can "manufacture" and use somewhat less than 6.5 kWh per day. At 10 cents
per kWh, that's 65 cents worth of electricity. A gallon of gas contains
about 37 kWh of energy, so the whole thing amounts to around 22 ounces
quarts of gasoline a day (about one and a third pints).

Functionally, it may be more - car's aren't real efficient at transforming
the energy in gas into motion, the figure I have in the back of my mind is
around 12% of the energy in the gas ends up delivered to the wheels, while
electric motor efficiency can be over 90%. So in terms of moving a car
around, the panels might do as much as a gallon of gas, or a bit more. Of
course, that doesn't count the energy expenditure involved in running things
like radios, lights, heat, and air conditioning.

To get that gallon equivalent, the solar panels would cost somewhere in the
neighborhood of $1,800 (at least, that's approximately the price based on
prices for larger installations). At $4.00/gallon, you'd break even at 450
days. That doesn't count the cost of batteries, electric motor, and
whatever else might be needed in the way of hardware and installation, and
assumes you drive the maximum the panels can support (and no more) each and
every day, there's never a cloudy day, you're never in the shade, etc. And
of course, it doesn't count the energy expenditure involved in running
things like radios, lights, heat, and air conditioning.

GM estimates that most cars in the US average under 40 miles a day. The
problem is, the average doesn't matter on the day you need to go 100 miles -
unless there's some sort of backup (like a gas engine), such a car just
won't meet most people's needs.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 4:59 pm
From: val189

On May 21, 2:21 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Some tips:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html

Five to 10 minute showers? Get real. Get a low flow head with a shut
off valve. Some frugalistas even collect the water in a bucket and
use it to flush the john, water plants, wash the floor.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, May 22 2008 5:39 pm
From: Poetic Justice <@http://Poetic-Justice.Talk-n-Dog.com>

val189 wrote:
> On May 21, 2:21 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Some tips:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html
>
> Five to 10 minute showers? Get real. Get a low flow head with a shut
> off valve. Some frugalistas even collect the water in a bucket and
> use it to flush the john, water plants, wash the floor.

My brother has 4 teenage daughters.... They think a 10 minute shower is
some kind of water boarding torture.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 5:51 pm
From: chinagood018@yahoo.cn

Love without frontiers

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 6:56 pm
From: larry

Seerialmom wrote:
> On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
>>> Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value to
>>> get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar powered
>>> car:
>>
>> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff like, how
>> much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny day, what's the range
>> at night, how long does it take to recharge using solar alone, how long to
>> recharge from the plug?
>
> I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
> solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
> electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
> behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
> can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D

TV news had a story of a fella that took a small car and
removed the engine and bolted an electric (DC) motor to the
transaxle. He could charge it with a 110 or 220 cord in a
few hours, for about 1/10th the cost of gasoline. He had
several hundred dollars in the conversion, but he only had a
20-25 mile range (45 mph max speed). Even in Dallas, that
would be very limiting. And I think it would be difficult
finding a place to "plug in" to make it back home. And with
no a/c, I think my bike would be more tolerable. Or a $3
all day bus pass ;-)

Back in '86 I had a Phoenix friend that did the same thing
with a compact stationwagon. He used an aircraft motor/
generator and recovered some power from braking. The back of
the wagon was stuffed with rebuilt car batteries that did
give him enough range to cover Phoenix. After a summer of
use, he gave it to one of the local universities.

Seems like a localized bio system might be usable.
Individually grow corn or sugar cane, something that has a
high energy per pound ratio. It would be a solar driven,
and even waste (stalks) could be used in winter for heating.
We can't beat the battle as long as it's based on
international pricing whims, all hydrocarbons are priced in
$ per therm now. Price set by traders on what they can make
you believe it's worth and how little is left. Enron was a
wakeup call, that type of manipulation is now international.

-- larry / dallas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:35 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

larry <foo@foobar.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom wrote:
>> On May 21, 4:47 pm, "Lou" <lpog...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> "Seerialmom" <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:cdddb1b2-9e69-47d7-9c15-f775f4d6392c@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> But you know what...I'm kicking myself for basically giving my 93
>>>> Festiva to the Toyota dealership (they gave me $100 trade in value
>>>> to get my Yaris), because I could have turned it into a solar
>>>> powered car:
>>>
>>> Cute, but it would be nice to have some real information. Stuff
>>> like, how much did the conversion cost, what's range on a sunny
>>> day, what's the range at night, how long does it take to recharge
>>> using solar alone, how long to recharge from the plug?
>>
>> I know...I really wanted to see "how" he turned that Festiva into a
>> solar car. Did he dump the original 4 cylinder engine and put an
>> electric one in it's place? How many batteries does he have sitting
>> behind the driver. That would have been interesting to see. Plus he
>> can plug it in? Are specs too much to ask for? :-D
>
> TV news had a story of a fella that took a small car and
> removed the engine and bolted an electric (DC) motor to the
> transaxle. He could charge it with a 110 or 220 cord in a
> few hours, for about 1/10th the cost of gasoline. He had
> several hundred dollars in the conversion, but he only had a
> 20-25 mile range (45 mph max speed). Even in Dallas, that
> would be very limiting. And I think it would be difficult
> finding a place to "plug in" to make it back home. And with
> no a/c, I think my bike would be more tolerable. Or a $3
> all day bus pass ;-)
>
> Back in '86 I had a Phoenix friend that did the same thing
> with a compact stationwagon. He used an aircraft motor/
> generator and recovered some power from braking. The back of
> the wagon was stuffed with rebuilt car batteries that did
> give him enough range to cover Phoenix. After a summer of
> use, he gave it to one of the local universities.
>
> Seems like a localized bio system might be usable.
> Individually grow corn or sugar cane, something that has a
> high energy per pound ratio. It would be a solar driven,
> and even waste (stalks) could be used in winter for heating.
> We can't beat the battle as long as it's based on
> international pricing whims, all hydrocarbons are priced in
> $ per therm now.

Nope, most obviously with power stations based on coal mines.

> Price set by traders on what they can make
> you believe it's worth and how little is left.

Nope, most obviously with power stations based on coal mines.

> Enron was a wakeup call,

Not on that it wasnt.

> that type of manipulation is now international.

No it isnt.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:06 pm
From: larry

Peter Franks wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>> Some tips:
>>
>> http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html
>
> "If you're going to spend $$ for coffee, spend it at a warm, lighted,
> sit-down cafe where you will get:
> free electricity for your laptop or for a charger
> free warmth in winter, which is cheaper than heating your home
> free napkins to use in the car or home "
>
> Pure feel-good garbage.
>
> NOTHING is conserved here, you are just transferring the direct costs of
> these goods to the shop owner who then indirectly passes the costs back
> to the consumer by way of higher prices.
>
> If you are going to conserve, stop drinking coffee and don't go mooch
> off of other people.

Several months ago when StarBux did the retraining shutdown,
local TV was interviewing the inconvenienced. One guy was
really upset because he had several hours of internet
business stuff to get done. The reporter asked about
missing the coffee and he said he never bought anything
there ;-)

--larry / dallas

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 7:42 pm
From: Fran

On May 22, 9:38 am, Peter Franks <n...@none.com> wrote:
> Joe wrote:
> > Some tips:
>
> >http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/conserve.html
>
> "If you're going to spend $$ for coffee, spend it at a warm, lighted,
> sit-down cafe where you will get:
> free electricity for your laptop or for a charger
> free warmth in winter, which is cheaper than heating your home
> free napkins to use in the car or home "
>
> Pure feel-good garbage.
>
> NOTHING is conserved here, you are just transferring the direct costs of
> these goods to the shop owner who then indirectly passes the costs back
> to the consumer by way of higher prices.
>

I wouldn't disagree there.

> If you are going to conserve, stop drinking coffee and don't go mooch
> off of other people.

True. Of course, one can have cheap warmth by wearing warmer clothes,
having better insulation, having a better designed home, making use of
ground heat, passive solar etc. It may well make sense to live in
medium or high density buildings where the capital costs of energy
efficiency can be spread across more users per area of space and where
each user demands less space. If this enables you to live closer to
work, then there's another energy saving.

Fran

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:47 pm
From: ceedublock

Trade Stocks Anywhere Anytime
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 8:57 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

The Real Bev wrote:
> ... So far every single piece of spam
> I've seen today has been from googlegroups.
>
> If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.

The world is doomed. Pick almost anything and someone has predicted
that it will doom the world. Sooner or later, someone has to be right.
Perhaps we've been doomed already, several times.

Anthony

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:13 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote
> The Real Bev wrote

>> ... So far every single piece of spam
>> I've seen today has been from googlegroups.

>> If they can't figure out how to filter it out the world is doomed.
>
> The world is doomed. Pick almost anything and someone has predicted
> that it will doom the world. Sooner or later, someone has to be right.

Nope, not if we dont end up with doom.

We survived two world wars, the great depression
and countless other wars and we'll survive, you watch.

> Perhaps we've been doomed already, several times.

Or perhaps we survived two world wars, the great depression
and countless other wars and we'll survive, you watch.

== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:04 pm
From: tobetbaa

There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
count all the votes.

http://surftofind.com/obama

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:08 pm
From: John Larkin

On Wed, 21 May 2008 21:04:13 -0700 (PDT), tobetbaa
<tobetbaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
>climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
>will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
>election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
>staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
>after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
>Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
>count all the votes.
>
>http://surftofind.com/obama

Obama as Hillary's vp: Back of the bus with you, boy.

John

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:33 pm
From: Bill Marcum

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]
On 2008-05-22, tobetbaa <tobetbaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
And if all the legal votes aren't enough to nominate the candidate you
want, change the rules until you do.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 10:15 pm
From: Robert Baer

tobetbaa wrote:

> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

Remember, in Florida, voting booths will be stolen, tampered with and
"cloned", along witha lot of dead people voting.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:13 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

Robert Baer wrote:
>
> tobetbaa wrote:
>
> > There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> > climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> > will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> > election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> > staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> > after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> > Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> > count all the votes.
> >
> > http://surftofind.com/obama
> Remember, in Florida, voting booths will be stolen, tampered with and
> "cloned", along witha lot of dead people voting.

No need with the new electronic voting machines. The vendor will
chose who you vote for, and save you the trouble. There is no paper
trail to challenge the results, so how can you prove who won?

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:14 pm
From: "Michael A. Terrell"

tobetbaa wrote:
>
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

Why surf? He isn't worth finding. With his comments like 'Typical
White man', it's obvious that he's racist.

http://improve-usenet.org/index.html

Use any search engine other than Google till they stop polluting USENET
with porn and junk commercial SPAM

If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in
your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:36 pm
From: OrangeSFO

On May 21, 11:13 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> No need with the new electronic voting machines.

Florida banned touch-screen voting

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:39 pm
From: OrangeSFO

On May 21, 9:04 pm, tobetbaa <tobet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are only two plausible choices in this election, given the
> climate, the character and the tumultuous times we are living in. It
> will either be President Clinton or President McBush. This is an
> election where all the votes should be counted, it is not about
> staging the biggest rally money can buy in Tampa, to claim victory
> after a pathetic voter tally in Kentucky. This is an election, not a
> Madonna concert, get real, get serious, cut the stage production and
> count all the votes.
>
> http://surftofind.com/obama

If I'm not mistaken, Obama took his name off the ballot (or never
petitioned to be on the ballot), respecting the rules of the DNC.
Hillary did not. How can a delegation representing those
circumstances be considered legit?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:19 pm
From: Ron Peterson

On May 20, 6:10 pm, jd <no...@yodoor.biz> wrote:

> It's weird that so many people hate minivans. Most minivans look better
> than most SUV's. Plus a minivan is cheaper, gets better gas mileage, and
> holds a lot more people/cargo than an SUV.

The crossover SUVs are very similar to minivans having front wheel
drive and based on a car's platform with unibody construction.

I am disappointed that there aren't any hybrid minivans being marketed
in the USA.

Before I retired, I biked to work when conditions were appropriate.
Now, I use the minivan to haul the bikes to some scenic bike trail.

--
Ron

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:26 pm
From: Dan Birchall

naamanmohan@hotmail.com (naamanmohan@hotmail.com) wrote:
> Mr. Naaman Mohan a 25 year old Australian entrepreneur visited LA last
> week to meet with Al gore to further discuss the opportunities for
> sustainable business practices, to help combat climate change and
> global warming. Mr Al gore assured Mr Naaman Mohan that on his next
> visit to Australia the pair would once again meet to ?discuss an
> implementation plan for the proposed ideas. Mr Naaman Mohan thanked M.
> Al gore for the opportunity to discuss these pressing issues with such
> a talented and well renowned individual.

Mr. Dan Birchall dislikes people who talk about themselves in the third
person.

http://08016.com/ - Burlington City history on the internet, since 1995.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 9:56 pm
From: Charlie Perrin

On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:34:42 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Charlie Perrin wrote:

>>Computer table bought in 1982-1983.

>what brand and model?

All I can remember is I bought it at Radio Shack. It's even survived
four moves.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, May 21 2008 11:19 pm
From: D

On May 21, 6:18 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 21, 7:02 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 21, 3:54 pm, ransley <Mark_Rans...@yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 21, 5:30 am, D <t...@bk.ru> wrote:
>
> > > > Hello!
> > > > Why does a panoramic video (in an evening or inside a building, shot
> > > > by Sony HC5E camcorder) look like the frame rate is about 10 fps? My
> > > > 11-year old JVC VHS-C camcorder never had this problem, the video was
> > > > always fluid.
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Dima
>
> > > Im sure the manual will tell you if you read it, but I guess its a low
> > > light mode and it probably is indicated on the screen
>
> > Thanks for replying!
> > No, it's not the low light mode. I do not enable it and it is not
> > indicated on the screen.
>
> You said panoramic is that a special wide mode, if its new take it
> back, sony manuals are junk, and I found options even Sony support did
> not even know that are not in my manual, that I could shoot stills
> while taking video on an old unit. They have so much new stuff out its
> hard to know all the operating parameters on every model. Keep looking
> you will figure it out, but color slow shutter may be automatic and
> its on with Night Shot on mine- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks Mark for replying!
Panoramic video means that you turn a camcorder around its axis during
recording.
The Color slow shutter mode does not turn automatically, but manually
only.

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