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* walking boots-- which are good? - 10 messages, 6 authors
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* Palm Wallet-The biggest con ever, in my opinion - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Discount Wholesale Chanel shoes, LV shoes, Gucci shoes, Prada shoes etc
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* Hard to be frugal with movies - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* If you were me would you have a will ? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Highway Patrol officer helped slow a runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph to a
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TOPIC: walking boots-- which are good?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/52b4735386145e8e?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 10:01 am
From: Christopher Loffredo
Rod Speed wrote:
> Geoff Berrow wrote
>> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote
>
>>> Gore-Tex won't protect your boots. It may help to keep your feet
>>> dry, but that depends on how well your sweat can dissipate through
>>> whatever outlets it can. Your feet won't get wet from outside
>>> water, but only if the seams are all well done and the Gore-Tex well
>>> protected (ie another layer to make you sweat) and as pointed out,
>>> so long as the water doesn't come in over the top.
>
>> Came back after a walk yesterday and my friend was surprised
>> my feet were not steaming as his were when we took our boots off.
>> (co-incidentally, we have exactly the same Gore tex lined boots).
>
>> I explained that my feet didn't sweat much and were, in fact, perfectly dry.
>
>> This might go some way to explaining why some people love Goretex
>> lined boots and others hate them. Nothing to do with what is better,
>> it's what suits the individual best.
>
> The problem with that line is that no military bothers with goretex lined boots.
>
> There has to be a reason for that.
>
>
Probably a lot has to do with use:
If I were going out for a few hours / one day in very wet conditions, a
Gore-tex (or similar) lining would be a great advantage (and has been
for me - assuming it's intact).
Since my "normal" use involves several days/weeks afield, my priority is
a boot which dries as quickly as possible, even if it gets a bit damp at
the end of a day.
Again, use and conditions need to be considered, rather than blindly and
dogmatically proclaiming that one particular solution is the only way....
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:04 am
From: Alan Dicey
SMS wrote:
>
> 1. GORE-TEX® lining (or other breathable waterproof membrane lining) for
> breathable waterproofness (nearly all mid to high end boots have this).
> NEVER buy hiking boots that lack a breathable waterproof membrane lining.
>
> 2. Vibram® outsole for best traction (cheaper boots may have a lower
> grade outsole).
>
> 3. Stitchdown construction (not just glued) for durability (very rare
> except on extreme high end).
>
> 4. Full-grain, all-leather upper (not split grain, not "nubuck") for
> support and durability.
>
> Once you find all the boots with the necessary design elements you begin
> to narrow down your choices based on other factors like fit, aesthetics,
> price, etc..
Your opinion is noted, indeed it is difficult to evade being repeated ad
nauseam without addressing any of the counter arguments. However much
you bang the drum it remains only your opinion, unsupported by evidence
and countered by many people's experience in the real world.
No breathable liner works if the outside is covered with water - it
can't breathe. Guess what happens to boots in even mildly wet conditions.
No breathable liner is robust enough to stand up to the stretching that
occurs as you walk - it tears along the stitching. Then it leaks.
Breathable liners inside leather are a waste of money. They will fail,
but if you proof the boot by the usual methods (Nikwax, castor oil,
dubbin, uncle tom cobbley and all) the liner becomes a problem.
I've had Gore-tex lined boots. They all leaked, after a relatively
short while, well before the sole or uppers showed any signs of wearing out.
(What's this doing on frugal-living? Gore-tex certainly ain't frugal...)
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:14 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Christopher Loffredo wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Geoff Berrow wrote
>>> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote
>>>> Gore-Tex won't protect your boots. It may help to keep your feet
>>>> dry, but that depends on how well your sweat can dissipate through
>>>> whatever outlets it can. Your feet won't get wet from outside
>>>> water, but only if the seams are all well done and the Gore-Tex
>>>> well protected (ie another layer to make you sweat) and as pointed
>>>> out, so long as the water doesn't come in over the top.
>>> Came back after a walk yesterday and my friend was surprised
>>> my feet were not steaming as his were when we took our boots off.
>>> (co-incidentally, we have exactly the same Gore tex lined boots).
>>> I explained that my feet didn't sweat much and were, in fact, perfectly dry.
>>> This might go some way to explaining why some people love Goretex
>>> lined boots and others hate them. Nothing to do with what is
>>> better, it's what suits the individual best.
>> The problem with that line is that no military bothers with goretex lined boots.
>> There has to be a reason for that.
> Probably a lot has to do with use:
Or more likely goretex is not particularly useful with boots.
> If I were going out for a few hours / one day in very wet conditions, a Gore-tex (or similar) lining would be a great
> advantage
They clearly disagree.
> (and has been for me - assuming it's intact).
Even that is very arguable when most of the problem
with water and boots is the water coming in over the
top and no goretex makes any difference to that.
The military doesnt get around in wellies either.
> Since my "normal" use involves several days/weeks afield, my priority is a boot which dries as quickly as possible,
> even if it gets a bit damp at the end of a day.
And that is what the military wants too.
> Again, use and conditions need to be considered, rather than blindly
> and dogmatically proclaiming that one particular solution is the only way....
Yes, but there isnt any real evidence that goretex helps any with boots.
If it did, the military would be using it and they dont.
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:26 am
From: Christopher Loffredo
Rod Speed wrote:
> Even that is very arguable when most of the problem
> with water and boots is the water coming in over the
> top and no goretex makes any difference to that.
>
> The military doesnt get around in wellies either.
I'll generally agree to that. My wettest situations (with my
non-Gore-tex or non-laminate boots) are when I wait too long to put my
gaiters on...
Still, I think that membrane boots have their place (being a bit of a
Devil's advocate here) and I might eventually pick up another pair for
short & extremely wet situations. For my normal use, membrane boots make
sense as a third pair (normal heavy, normal light, then membrane).
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:17 pm
From: Chick Tower
["Followup-To:" header set to alt.rec.hiking & uk.rec.walking.]
On 2010-03-08, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Bill Grey wrote:
>>
>> I'll try to convert you Gordon - have a look at:-
>
> I doubt if you'll have any success. "Anti-GoreTex" is like a religion.
Really? You're the one proselytizing here. Bill's trying to convert
someone. You're the one with the Four Commandments of Boot Design.
--
Chick Tower
For e-mail: arh DOT sent DOT towerboy AT xoxy DOT net
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:27 pm
From: SMS
Peter Clinch wrote:
> SMS wrote:
>
>> For "eVent" (used in the Rab Momentum) versus Gore-Tex, Gore-Tex moves
>> moisture out through the membrane a tad faster (based on tests), but
>> both are equally waterproof. I would not choose one over the other based
>> on the slight breathability advantage of Gore-Tex,
>
> But eVent has been tested as a fair bit more breathable than Goretex,
> because they avoid the PU smear over the microporous membrane that
> restricts Goretex's breathability.
The test I saw the video of on-line showed Gore-Tex being slightly more
breathable, but I'm sure there are tests that show the opposite as
well--depends on who's doing the testing. It doesn't really matter which
one, though I've never seen eVent on boots, only on garments, while
Gore-Tex is widely used on shoes and boots.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 1:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Christopher Loffredo wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Even that is very arguable when most of the problem
>> with water and boots is the water coming in over the
>> top and no goretex makes any difference to that.
>> The military doesnt get around in wellies either.
> I'll generally agree to that. My wettest situations (with my non-Gore-tex or non-laminate boots) are when I wait too
> long to put my gaiters on...
> Still, I think that membrane boots have their place
Dunno, I cant get past the fact that the military doesnt bother with it.
There has to be a reason for that.
> (being a bit of a Devil's advocate here) and I might eventually pick up another pair for short & extremely wet
> situations.
I just dont bother with sodden situations myself.
But then I dont 'live' on that soggy little island so I have a lot more choice on that.
> For my normal use, membrane boots make sense as a third pair (normal heavy, normal light, then membrane).
I dont bother with lots of different types of boots.
In fact I wear what I use for walking all the time in winter and
wear what we call thongs and you lot call flip flops in summer.
I do wear the boots for walking in summer.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 2:03 pm
From: "Gordon"
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7vnu14FtlgU1@mid.individual.net...
> wear what we call thongs and you lot call flip flops in summer.
>
Is that to go with the boardies?
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 3:13 pm
From: SMS
Gordon wrote:
>
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7vnfq2F8jfU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> The problem with that line is that no military bothers with goretex
>> lined boots.
>>
>> There has to be a reason for that.
>>
>
> Absolutely. And it's not just cost factor either.
LOL, and you actually believe the "King of Trolls?!"
Of course boots with Gore-Tex membranes for water-proofness and
breathability are used by the military. You can even buy factory seconds
of the U.S. Army and U.S. Marine boots with the GoreTex membrane.
"http://www.gore-tex.com/remote/Satellite/men/footwear/performance-comfort/brand/Matterhorn/1251586146389"
"http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/wellco-us-army-gore-tex-icw-combat-boots-tan.aspx?a=545712"
Also, some militaries use socks with a GoreTex membrane, though this is
not as effective.
"http://www.cadetdirect.com/order1.php?pg=63"
For g-d's sake, if you're going to agree with someone, don't make it the
King of Trolls, someone who makes it a career of being uninformed on as
many subjects as is humanly possible.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 3:22 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7vnu14FtlgU1@mid.individual.net...
>> wear what we call thongs and you lot call flip flops in summer.
>>
>
> Is that to go with the boardies?
Nope. They stick with bare feet.
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TOPIC: Palm Wallet-The biggest con ever, in my opinion
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 10:16 am
From: Cindy Hamilton
On Mar 8, 9:16 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "Zee" <zza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72110a8d-ac0c-4923-ac33-ec8ab83a1f67@q2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 6, 4:23 am, meteore <bigro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I was just fooled into purchasing this palm wallet after watching one
> > of those quick info commercials. The commercial runs so quick, that
> > you imagine that you have a lot more space in the wallet then you
> > really do.
>
> > There is two zippered compartments, one for change and one for credit
> > cards, but no separate place for paper currency. If you are in the
> > habit of carrying a lot of paper currency, forget it.
>
> Umm, is there ANYONE who still carries paper money? I've got one twenty
> stuck in the back of my wallet that's been there since the 90s. Ok, so I'm
> in the USA and obviously things are different in other countries, but NO ONE
> uses cash in the USA anymore. We charge everything and then pay it off every
> month. Totally free and we get to use the CC company's float for a month.
> Excellent.
You don't appear to know a thing about anybody but yourself. If
Americans
don't use cash, then what happens to all of that paper produced by the
Mint?
Sheesh.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 10:20 am
From: "h"
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c7ab5e5a-8fd3-4f8c-9743-e0c8997d670c@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 8, 9:16 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "Zee" <zza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72110a8d-ac0c-4923-ac33-ec8ab83a1f67@q2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 6, 4:23 am, meteore <bigro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I was just fooled into purchasing this palm wallet after watching one
> > of those quick info commercials. The commercial runs so quick, that
> > you imagine that you have a lot more space in the wallet then you
> > really do.
>
> > There is two zippered compartments, one for change and one for credit
> > cards, but no separate place for paper currency. If you are in the
> > habit of carrying a lot of paper currency, forget it.
>
> Umm, is there ANYONE who still carries paper money? I've got one twenty
> stuck in the back of my wallet that's been there since the 90s. Ok, so I'm
> in the USA and obviously things are different in other countries, but NO
> ONE
> uses cash in the USA anymore. We charge everything and then pay it off
> every
> month. Totally free and we get to use the CC company's float for a month.
> Excellent.
>>You don't appear to know a thing about anybody but yourself. If
>>Americans
>>don't use cash, then what happens to all of that paper produced by the
>>Mint?
>>Sheesh.
Well...I can't remember the last time I saw anyone paying for anything with
cash. Period. It's been years. Perhaps lots of people do, but not around
here.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 11:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Mar 8, 9:16 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>> "Zee" <zza...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:72110a8d-ac0c-4923-ac33-ec8ab83a1f67@q2g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>> On Mar 6, 4:23 am, meteore <bigro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>
>>> I was just fooled into purchasing this palm wallet after watching
>>> one of those quick info commercials. The commercial runs so quick,
>>> that you imagine that you have a lot more space in the wallet then
>>> you really do.
>>
>>> There is two zippered compartments, one for change and one for
>>> credit cards, but no separate place for paper currency. If you are
>>> in the habit of carrying a lot of paper currency, forget it.
>>
>> Umm, is there ANYONE who still carries paper money? I've got one
>> twenty stuck in the back of my wallet that's been there since the
>> 90s. Ok, so I'm in the USA and obviously things are different in
>> other countries, but NO ONE uses cash in the USA anymore. We charge
>> everything and then pay it off every month. Totally free and we get
>> to use the CC company's float for a month. Excellent.
> You don't appear to know a thing about anybody but yourself. If Americans
> don't use cash, then what happens to all of that paper produced by the Mint?
They light their cigarettes with it, silly.
> Sheesh.
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TOPIC: Hard to be frugal with movies
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:24 pm
From: SMS
Dan Birchall wrote:
> Unfortunately, there don't seem to be as many second-run places around
> as there once were. :(
Must be hard to run a theater charging only $1 to see a movie. They just
re-opened a long closed second-run theater near me, and they are
charging $3.75. That's a good deal, but since you can get most DVDs for
less than $8 now, you really have to want to see the movie in a theater
to pay even $3.75.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 1:46 pm
From: "h"
"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:4b96ae9f$0$1615$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Dan Birchall wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, there don't seem to be as many second-run places around
>> as there once were. :(
>
> Must be hard to run a theater charging only $1 to see a movie. They just
> re-opened a long closed second-run theater near me, and they are charging
> $3.75. That's a good deal, but since you can get most DVDs for less than
> $8 now, you really have to want to see the movie in a theater to pay even
> $3.75.
Especially since you have to put up with other people in the theatre. Seems
there's always one talker or screaming brat. I can't remember the last time
I went to a movie theatre.
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TOPIC: If you were me would you have a will ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 12:55 pm
From: Virgil
In article <4b967f18.5252562@news.x-privat.org>,
fformby@smythe.com (The Revd) wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:02:01 -0600, "Lord Vetinari" <vetinari@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >"John Turner" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:BdOdncq-J4CvzA_WnZ2dnUVZ8tqdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> >>
> >> "Dangerous Nonconformist" wrote
> >>
> >>> LEGAL MURDERERERER!!!!
> >>
> >> You're thinking of executioner not executor - bet you're a Yank. <vbg>
> >
> >Idiot Brit, I bet you still think the Irish aren't human.
>
> The boghopping Irish? Of course they're not!
Then there must be some of that in fffformby.
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TOPIC: Highway Patrol officer helped slow a runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph
to a safe stop
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 2:23 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey
On Mar 9, 9:29 am, Michael <mrdarr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 8:57 am, IYM <"S U N risr"@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Conscience wrote:
> > > On 2010-03-09 07:36:51 -0800, TheTibetanMonkey
> > > <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > >> Another of these little MOWING MACHINES runs out of control. My take
> > >> on the issue is that Toyota sends the engineers with the highest IQ to
> > >> work at Lexus, while those with very low IQ are assigned to Toyota.
>
> > > It's looking like an even lower IQ is required to purchase a Prius.
>
> > > It "jumps" to 94 mph before this idiot figures out how to stop it,
> > > instead wasting his time on the phone.
>
> > > Jumps, indeed. Incredible.
>
> > Since only the left leaning liberals, environmental tree-huggers and
> > Hollywood people buy them, that answers the "lower IQ" requirement....
>
> Ouch! :D
>
> Drove with a friend who had a turbo-diesel Jetta... he said he easily
> gets 50+ mpg on that. Wish Toyota made more turbodiesels...
>
> Michael- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Maybe they have them for Europe. But they send the junk here because
they assume people are dummy drivers. And they actually have a point!
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 2:41 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey
On Mar 9, 11:23 am, "Tom" <t...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>
> news:88wln.249487$OX4.183396@newsfe25.iad...
>
> > "C. E. White" <cewhi...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> >news:hn6265$rmi$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> >> - Why did the guy not press the stop/start button for 3 seconds?
>
> > 1) Panic. This points to the need to test drivers in situations which
> > almost guarantee failure, especially after a certain age. Testing
> > someone's signaling and parallel parking ability obviously proves nothing
> > about how they'll handle terror.
>
> > 2) At least 90% of drivers are not qualified to operate a spoon, much less
> > a motor vehicle. Our testing procedures do nothing to filter out these
> > people.
>
> Sounds like too many toyota engineers in this group, I thought only one
> person was in the car but a lot of people seem to know what he did or was
> supposed to do.
> its all the drivers fault, standard toyota press release to cover all
> defects.
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Blame Toyota designers. They cater to these idiots who want "a little
automatic car," with no idea how to react in an emergency situation
or how to use the signal lights. Drivers are just issued a "license to
kill" and off they go with their little Toyota. But it could be worse
if they drove an SUV...
People who like to drive buy a VW, Mini or something... not available
in America.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 3:16 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey
On Mar 9, 2:13 pm, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
> On 2010-03-09 14:00:03 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> >news:hn5udc$bg9$1@news.albasani.net...
> >> On 2010-03-09 08:48:38 -0800, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com>
> >> said:
>
> >>> "Conscience" <nobama@göv.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:hn5qpm$5k6$1@news.albasani.net...
> >>>> On 2010-03-09 07:36:51 -0800, TheTibetanMonkey
> >>>> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> >>>>> Another of these little MOWING MACHINES runs out of control. My take
> >>>>> on the issue is that Toyota sends the engineers with the highest IQ to
> >>>>> work at Lexus, while those with very low IQ are assigned to Toyota.
>
> >>>> It's looking like an even lower IQ is required to purchase a Prius.
>
> >>>> It "jumps" to 94 mph before this idiot figures out how to stop it,
> >>>> instead
> >>>> wasting his time on the phone.
>
> >>>> Jumps, indeed. Incredible.
>
> >>> It didn't jump to 94, it jumped and kept going. Big difference.
>
> >> My comment was sarcastic. A Prius "jumping" to 94. Funny.
>
> >>> He's describing a downshift event -- the jump. This in itself would not
> >>> be a
> >>> problem, but when one lifts his foot off the gas, the downshift event
> >>> should
> >>> come to an end and the car's speed should level off or begin to slow --
> >>> depending on how far one lifts his foot.
>
> >>> The cop reports that he could smell the brakes and he observed the brake
> >>> lights going on as the driver tried to stop the car.
>
> >> I'm sure of all you wrote. But the guy's an idiot. Too bad reaction-time
> >> and vehicle familiarity tests are required to be renewed on a regular
> >> basis when a license expires.
>
> > It's absurd that anybody thinks a driver can get so screwed around sideways
> > for so long that a call to 911 AND A RESPONSE from the CHP can take place
> > before the driver gets straightened out AND the cop reports that the brake
> > lights were coming on and that he could SMELL the brakes burning, and you
> > still think the driver is such an idiot that he can't find the right pedal.
> > It's not like it's a multiple choice question with a different answer
> > everytime. The guy had at least five minutes to react and become familiar
> > with the controls of his car.
>
> > Sure, some are clearly idiots, but they can't all be idiots and the CHP took
> > the car so it could be inspected. I don't know the results of the
> > inspection, but I'm sure we'll all know very soon.
>
> I see absurdity on the road every day. It's not much of a stretch to
> apply the average driver's "ability" to not knowing how to put a
> transmission in neutral.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
My girlfriend says she didn't know either what to do with her stupid
Lexus if it happened to her.
She gave me these options:
a) put the foot brake
b) switch the ignition off
But smart people don't buy a Toyota in the first place. She won't next
time, thanks to my wisdom.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 4:02 pm
From: VFW
In article
<c4f416a2-882d-4142-9acb-7dbd8ea7812e@b30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (What's the moral of the story here? That in America you don't get
> respect in a little car, let alone in a bicycle. And so many cute
> little cars in Europe. Sounds fair?)
>
> Another of these little MOWING MACHINES runs out of control. My take
> on the issue is that Toyota sends the engineers with the highest IQ to
> work at Lexus, while those with very low IQ are assigned to Toyota. I
> know because I once owned a little Toyota Tercel. UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED,
> you know...
>
> EL CAJON, Calif. � A California Highway Patrol officer helped slow a
> runaway Toyota Prius from 94 mph to a safe stop on Monday after the
> car's accelerator became stuck on a San Diego County freeway, the CHP
> said.
>
> Prius driver James Sikes called 911 about 1:30 p.m. after accelerating
> to pass another vehicle on Interstate 8 near La Posta and finding that
> he could not control his car, the CHP said.
>
> "I pushed the gas pedal to pass a car and it did something kind of
> funny... it jumped and it just stuck there," the 61-year-old driver
> said at a news conference. "As it was going, I was trying the
> brakes...it wasn't stopping, it wasn't doing anything and it just kept
> speeding up," Sikes said, adding he could smell the brakes burning he
> was pressing the pedal so hard.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_runaway_prius
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "The monkey should be treated with the same respect as the lion"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
my question is;
did they get a speeding ticket?
If not , I'm going to use this plea if I ever get stopped for speeding.
--
Money; What a Concept !
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 4:07 pm
From: VFW
a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
an automatic (really!)
practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
motor.
--
Money; What a Concept !
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 4:25 pm
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032010@news.to
ast.net>,
VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
> a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>
> an automatic (really!)
> practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> motor.
I've always considered the key a great
way to shut the car down.
And yes I know it makes the car harder
to steer...but not impossible.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:09 pm
From: Zee
On Mar 10, 8:25 am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
> ast.net>,
>
> VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
>
> > an automatic (really!)
> > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> > motor.
>
> I've always considered the key a great
> way to shut the car down.
>
> And yes I know it makes the car harder
> to steer...but not impossible.
Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what
will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an
auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even
thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after
shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting
down the engine.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 9 2010 5:24 pm
From: VFW
In article
<4d9fab8f-b6f3-4165-bbfc-b0717ffe9757@u15g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Zee <zzaldy@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 10, 8:25�am, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
> bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <georgeswk-9ACE9B.16074209032...@news.to
> > ast.net>,
> >
> > �VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > > a no brainer, if your have a standard shift. push the clutch down.
> >
> > > an automatic (really!)
> > > practice bumping the shifter into neutral. Let Toyota buy you a new
> > > motor.
> >
> > I've always considered the key a great
> > way to shut the car down.
> >
> > And yes I know it makes the car harder
> > to steer...but not impossible.
>
> Oh no please don't do that. Shutting of the key while your car in gear
> will make it stop in a dime and probably violently and god knows what
> will happen to the car while you are in it. Whether you are driving an
> auto or manual, you need to shift to Neutral first before even
> thinking of shutting down the engine. But in my opinion, after
> shifting to Neutral, just brake slowly and pull over before shutting
> down the engine.
If you do turn the key , don't remove it. the steering may lock.
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