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TOPIC: America's Top 50 Bike Friendly Cities --damned lies!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 9 2010 11:38 pm
From: Dan O
On Apr 9, 10:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 10, 1:09 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 9, 3:01 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
>
> > <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 9, 3:26 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <Mi...@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "SMS" <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:4bbe012e$0$1649$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>
> > > > > On 08/04/10 7:51 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
> > > > >> On 2010-04-08, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> "http://www.bicycling.com/topbikefriendlycities/home.html"
>
> > > > >> I was surprised* my home town (Grand Rapids, MI) made the list. I mean,
> > > > >> yeah, I used to ride a lot, but there was no real riding scene that I was
> > > > >> ever aware of, and the terrain isn't exactly flat, especially getting in
> > > > >> and out of downtown.
>
> > > > >> The coverage was pretty thin, though. I would have liked to see more
> > > > >> links
> > > > >> to local advocacy groups and bike maps, not just peoples'"favorite
> > > > >> rides".
>
> > > > >> [*] Pleasantly so
>
> > > > > They even admit that they tried for geographic diversity in the list
> > > > > rather than listing the actual top 50 cities. San Jose didn't make the
> > > > > list, even though it's very bicycle friendly. Silicon Valley is composed
> > > > > of a bunch of small cities under 100K population, many of which are very
> > > > > bicycle friendly (Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara) and
> > > > > some of which are bicycle unfriendly (Cupertino, Milpitas).
>
> > > > This was their criteria-
> > > > --------------------
> > > > There are many important things a city can do to gain our consideration for
> > > > this list: segregated bike lanes, municipal bike racks and bike boulevards,
> > > > to name a few. If you have those things in your town, cyclists probably have
> > > > the ear of the local government-another key factor. To make our Top 50, a
> > > > city must also support a vibrant and diverse bike culture, and it must have
> > > > smart, savvy bike shops. If your town isn't named below, use this as an
> > > > opportunity to do something about it. Already on the list? Go out and enjoy
> > > > a ride. (Note: We considered only cities with populations of 100,000 or
> > > > more, and we strove for geographical diversity to avoid having a list
> > > > dominated by California's many bike-oriented cities.)
> > > > --------------------
>
> > > > If you asked the very casual recreational couple-time-month-at-most cyclist
> > > > if San Jose was a "bicycle friendly" city, do you really think they'd say
> > > > yes? I doubt it. You and I and most everyone we deal with in the cycling
> > > > community know the ropes and can deal with densely-populated areas and still
> > > > consider them "friendly." Dick & Jane probably feel subjectively "safer" in
> > > > an environment that could actually be less friendly and accomodating towards
> > > > cyclists but feel less threatening.
>
> > > > Let's look locally. Woodside isn't "Bicycle Friendly" and in fact are pretty
> > > > darned hostile towards cyclists, in terms of community support. Yet most
> > > > would feel a lot safer riding in Woodside than Sunnyvale or Palo Alto.
>
> > > > In any event, it was clearly stated that the selection process was designed
> > > > deliberately minimize the number of California entries into the list.
>
> > > Signs of danger:
>
> > > a) No one else riding out there,
>
> > > b) Riders on sidewalk,
>
> > > c) Lots of road rage.
>
> > > If you ignore those warnings, you are stupid. They all happen together
> > > around here.
>
> > I'll ignore what I want. You call me stupid if you want. (See if I
> > care.)
>
> > Actually, quite a few people out riding this morning. Things are
> > looking up., Still the city I ride to has got to be one of the 50
> > worst.
>
> Well, you ain't alone you ain't stupid.
>
> The roads around my place, Miami Beach, Florida, Collins Ave, to be
> specific, all the way up to Ft. Lauderdale, and peripheral roads are
> not that way. Driving itself is barbaric.
>
> There's a whole lot of money going into a particular section of mixed
> path though. You know what I'm considering? Ignoring the fucking bike
> and ride a kayak. You must be able to change in order to survive,
> right?
>
> But it's not only about survival. I could survive by riding on
> sidewalks, maybe. I guess it's just about pride. I want a whole
> fucking lane to myself or they can shove it in, including the mixed
> path where the beautiful people walk their fancy dogs.
>
> And yet we have a vague promise that things will change in the near
> future. Actually they said --I read it myself-- that they would launch
> a rental program similar to Paris'... right in middle of the Miami
> jungle. Not Monkey Jungle, which is nearby, also impassable for a
> bike, but the mean streets where the big jungle vehicles rule.
>
> I'll keep reporting, but I know my situation is not unique, which is
> why I love to make this much noise.
Brother.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 12:08 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 10, 2:38 am, Dan O <danover...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:53 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
> > I'll keep reporting, but I know my situation is not unique, which is
> > why I love to make this much noise.
>
> Brother.
I may be poor and proud of it but I don't want to be crippled by a
reckless driver, which is part of the norm. Worse, the more angry I
get the more shit I will throw at this Banana Republic, and we all
know EVERYTHING IS FAKE, right?
"The major problem with representative democracies is that voter
apathy is more common than political interest."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
Luckily I have more than one path out of the jungle, and so WALKING
and CANOEING would be the way. My bag of shit will probably be spared
for other areas of interest.
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 1:25 am
From: Jeff Thies
TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 9, 10:25 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
>> SMS wrote:
>>> On 08/04/10 7:06 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
>>>> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
>>>> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
>>>> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
>>> It's not that the U.S. lacks the capability to do this, it's that it
>>> lacks the will to do it.
>> What blows my mind is how the repubs say that this is 1/6 of our
>> economy and we shouldn't harm it. As though 1/6 and growing is the right
>> size. What would be too large for them, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3?
>>
>> That and how this will harm Medicare. As if Republicans weren't the
>> obstacle for creating Medicare, like they are now for health reform.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> They have unlimited and unconditional healthcare, why would they care
> about the ones that don't?
>
The party of, "I've got mine, screw you".
It's all about fear of what might happen to them, rather than what has
happened to this country under their watch.
I see Repubs lathered up over 9.7% unemployment. Not considering for
a moment that under 8 years of W very few jobs were added (less 20K a
month, in a country that needs 100K+ to keep up with population growth).
Jeff
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 8:45 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 10, 4:25 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> > On Apr 9, 10:25 pm, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> >> SMS wrote:
> >>> On 08/04/10 7:06 PM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>> The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
> >>>> whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
> >>>> workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
> >>>> private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...
> >>> It's not that the U.S. lacks the capability to do this, it's that it
> >>> lacks the will to do it.
> >> What blows my mind is how the repubs say that this is 1/6 of our
> >> economy and we shouldn't harm it. As though 1/6 and growing is the right
> >> size. What would be too large for them, 1/5, 1/4, 1/3?
>
> >> That and how this will harm Medicare. As if Republicans weren't the
> >> obstacle for creating Medicare, like they are now for health reform.
>
> >> Jeff
>
> > They have unlimited and unconditional healthcare, why would they care
> > about the ones that don't?
>
> The party of, "I've got mine, screw you".
>
> It's all about fear of what might happen to them, rather than what has
> happened to this country under their watch.
>
> I see Repubs lathered up over 9.7% unemployment. Not considering for
> a moment that under 8 years of W very few jobs were added (less 20K a
> month, in a country that needs 100K+ to keep up with population growth).
>
> Jeff
It's all a facade or a BIG SHOW, if you will...
(Don't you feel like a puppet, sometimes?) ;)
Popular rule as a facade
"The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca (independently)
argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the
reality of elite rule. Indeed, they argued that elite oligarchy is the
unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division
of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the
elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift
the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Popular_rule_as_a_facade
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:09 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 10, 11:51 am, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10 08:46:39 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > Popular rule as a facade
>
> > "The 20th Century Italian thinkers Pareto and Mosca (independently)
> > argued that democracy was illusory, and served only to mask the
> > reality of elite rule. Indeed, they argued that elite oligarchy is the
> > unbendable law of human nature, due largely to the apathy and division
> > of the masses (as opposed to the drive, initiative and unity of the
> > elites), and that democratic institutions would do no more than shift
> > the exercise of power from oppression to manipulation."
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Popular_rule_as_a_facade
>
> Which is why the Founding Fathers didn't choose democracy for our country.
>
> Amusing when you hear the Talking Heads we call "congressmen" refer to
> the country they purport to represent as our "democracy".
Which, of course, must be exported to other tyrannical places such as
Iraq so they must part of the "game" too.
I was reading around about "elites," "democracy," etc, but basically
I'd round it up in these simple terms:
"The lions come in different colors and flavors, but they all rule the
jungle."
The sheep will always vote for the establishment (99% of them in the
former USSR), but liberal democracies allow for the monkeys (the Black
Sheep if you will) to MAKE NOISE, and they better make a lot of it so
the lions get the bad PR. Then the lions say, "Hey, we better listen
to these monkeys or else we risk our image." They do hate the image of
being a Hungry Lion, you know.
Any change needs BIG NOISE, COORDINATION AND SOLIDARITY, not unlike...
http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.htm
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:19 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 10, 8:24 am, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> What is it with the seppos. They're so caught up in their intransigent
> ideological hatred of 'woo woo', socialism. For shit's sake, get over
> it. The state pays for your mail services, your defence, your customs,
> your immigration authorities, education and a shite load of other
> services.
>
> Why not health services for all.
>
> Here in Oz, every tax payer pays a health service premium through
> their taxes. It works and no one (left or right) would have it any
> other way. Those that can pay for private health insurance do, those
> that can't have a health safety net.
>
> How can the yanks be so clever with so many things, yet be so backward
> in others.
>
> A mystery.
The "mystery" may be easily be solved if you follow the track of the
fox... I mean who has the most to lose from the predation game. Our
bloated, bureaucratic, monopolistic Medical Industry eats 15% of the
GDP and yet doesn't cover all or guarantee anything.
And the fox's game is to tell the sheep that any attempt to reform is
socialistic in nature. ;)
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:26 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
On Apr 10, 9:28 am, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Max <ass...@pcfin.net> wrote:
> > What is it with the seppos. They're so caught up in their intransigent
> > ideological hatred of 'woo woo', socialism. For shit's sake, get over
> > it. The state pays for your mail services, your defence, your customs,
> > your immigration authorities, education and a shite load of other
> > services.
>
> #1 -- the State has no money in its coffers except what it extracts from
> it's citizens in taxes. The State is broke without the will of it's
> citizens working to get something that they want. If you take all of the
> incentive away from the citizens to have a will to work - you will have
> nothing to give to the *dead beats* who want to take but not work.
> The Bible says that if you don't work, you don't eat. I think it's time to
> go back to the 1930's where we had work groups (EPA) - and you had to work
> to get your grub.
The Bible implies, "Hey, it's a jungle out there, so you are on your
own, baby!"
>
>
>
> > Why not health services for all.
>
> > We do have health services for all -- the problem is the hospitals are
>
> going out of business because there are *dead beats* who believe everything
> for them should be *free*. Someone has to pay!!
> Medicine isn't cheap -- it costs a lot of money.
> The government of the USofA supports the universities which develope the
> drugs. Then the drug companies put a patent on the drug and charge us back
> all kinds of money -- for what we paid for when we supported the government
> by paying our taxes - which gave some of our tax money to the universities
> to develope the drugs in the first place.
> Too many hands in the same pot is my way of thinking!
No, nothing is cheap except gasoline. Hey, perhaps we can tax the
stupid gasoline and pay for healthcare.
Tell me I'm not creative. ;)
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 2:45 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"
(link of MAKING NOISE corrected)
On Apr 10, 2:14 pm, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10 10:58:13 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
>
>
> > Try it now...
>
> >http://mybignoise.blogspot.com/2007/08/solidarity-law-of-jungle.html
>
> An amusing read. Too bad the irony contained within escapes most readers.
>
> Today the antithetical statement would be "We can hire 30%
> leftist-elitist population to kill what made this country great,
> represented by the remainder."
I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR
YOU DON'T.
The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated
communities.
In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
horse.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 6:00 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 10, 8:29 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:26 PM, TibetanMonkey,
> > The Bible implies, "Hey, it's a jungle out there, so you are on your
> > own, baby!"
>
> I worked in that jungle 40 years. It was interesting and in a heartbeat you
> could lose everything you ever worked for.
> There are a whole lot of people still working in that jungle as you state.
> And, they are making a good living -- howbeit, it still stands -
> That Work for your grub and no one can take your food off your plate unless
> you personally give it to them.
There's people who thrive in that jungle, and there's people who die
in that jungle, and there's people who simply survive in that jungle.
Some fall due to bad luck (hey, globalization is tough), some due to
illness, and there's no nothing you can do but it but to expect the
"miracle" of medical care. Perhaps they die and get it over with,
while the vast majority barely survives fearing illness or lay off.
That's life in the jungle, but in the end we all die, even the
vultures that most benefit from it.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 6:10 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 10, 5:57 pm, Conscience <nobama@g v.com> wrote:
> On 2010-04-10 14:44:14 -0700, "TibetanMonkey,
> the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > I think we live in a post ideological world: YOU EITHER HAVE MONEY OR
> > YOU DON'T.
>
> Bingo! Give that man a cigar.
>
> The ideological world is over. We are rapidly running hell-bent back
> into a tribal mentality.
Tribal mentality with nuclear weapons and Internet.
>
> Just to be clear, this isn't a racist comment. I wanted that clear
> before some idiot claims racism, as he did in the past.
We are still very primitive, no one should take offense.
>
> Tribalism is not defined by race.
Oh no, it's defined by the car you drive, where the chieftains drive
SUVs and Mercedes.
>
> > The problem is further complicated when those who don't, find their
> > freedom threatened in a fundamental way, like enjoying the community
> > on foot or bicycle, where those who can afford it live in gated
> > communities.
>
> Or driving what you want, listening to the music you want, writing what
> you want, or even speaking your mind withouth someone falsely claiming
> they know your motives.
Well, despite those negative trends there's one and only hope: the
Internet. Same freedom allows to listen to the music we want without
screeching commercials, or listen to the news we trust, also allow us
to MAKE NOISE and be heard by someone out there.
That's why we are here, right?
>
> > In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
> > knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
> > horse.
>
> Close enough.
So you either live within the walls or outside the walls. ;)
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 10:21 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
On Apr 11, 1:11 am, "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 12:18 am, Conscience <nobama@göv.com> wrote:
>
> > On 2010-04-10 18:09:43 -0700, "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana
> > Kung-Fu" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> said:
>
> > >>> In other words, we are going slowly but surely back to feudalism. A
> > >>> knight could come out of the blue and take away your life and your
> > >>> horse.
>
> > >> Close enough.
>
> > > So you either live within the walls or outside the walls. ;)
>
> > +1
>
> Living inside or outside has both advantages and disadvantages. I'd
> feel like a prisoner inside the walls, seeing always the same people.
> But we sure have to tame the outside.
>
> I'm all for breaking the walls like the Berlin Wall.
Like I said, we should break all walls, but curiously the walls are
getting to Germany instead of going down elsewhere. I find it
disgusting and very communist...
(obviously this guy is a communist agent or an American developer)
Gated communities: the privatisation of residential areas should be
welcomed
'Arcadia Potsdam is Germany's first gated community.
When Arcadia opened in 2006, it provoked sharp media criticism. The
Süddeutsche Zeitung daily, for example, spoke of "class-segregation",
"residential disintegration" and the "privatisation of public living
space". The critics argued that gated communities were a symptom of
increasing social polarisation and fragmentation.
These critics assumed that gated communities in Western countries
would be essentially the same as those in Rio de Janeiro or
Johannesburg. But had they examined the well-developed American market
for privately-owned residential areas, they might have noticed that
people's motivations to choose this way of living are, in fact, very
diverse.'
http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/article/19593/fortress-bulgaria-gated-communities.html
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CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
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"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
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"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
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"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
"CANADA TV CHANNELS" "DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
"tv channels all over the world" "USA TV CHANNELS" "PAKISTANI TV
CHANNELS" "INDIAN TV CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS"
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CHANNELS" "UK TV CHANNELS" "BRAZIL TV CHANNELS" "CANADA TV CHANNELS"
"DANW TV" "GEO TV" "SAMA TV" "AAJ TV" ON http://all-time-tv.blogspot.com/
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TOPIC: OBAMA: "We Can't Nuke The CommieChinks, So We'll Drop A DRYWALL BOMB On
'Em."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/30d16d5664098c04?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 7:28 am
From: Youwang Wang
But as U.S. homeowners will soon remember, it's one thing to WIN a
lawsuit ... it's quite another to COLLECT!
As we Yellah-Horders say, "Rots o' ruck!"
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The Miami Herald
Posted on Fri, Apr. 09, 2010
"Drywall victims win suit"
BY NIRVI SHAH
A FEDERAL JUDGE in Louisiana has ruled that a Chinese drywall
manufacturer must pay seven Virginia families about $2.6 million in
damages because the company's product corroded metals in their homes,
caused a sulfuric stench and led to breathing problems.
Thursday's ruling could pave the way for similar rulings for thousands
of cases -- many involving Florida homeowners -- now before the same
judge.
It was the first federal ruling for damages in a drywall case.
Thousands of homeowners nationwide, most of whom live in Florida and
Louisiana, have filed complaints about situations similar to those in
Virginia. Many of the lawsuits against drywall manufacturers have been
filed in federal court and all of the cases were consolidated in
Louisiana. U.S. District Judge Eldon Fallon also issued rules about
how homes with the toxic product must be repaired.
The manufacturer named in this suit, Taishan Gypsum Co., has not
responded to U.S. court proceedings, however.
``This is a legal determination of who's at fault in the drywall
mess,'' said U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., who helped start an
investigation of imported drywall. ``Now homeowners have somebody to
put in their sights. Meantime, I'm going to keep pushing our
government hard to step up the pressure on the Chinese to get the
companies over there to pay up.''
Fallon said in his ruling that Taishan asked the American company that
ordered the drywall to remove a clause from its contract requiring
that it meet American standards for the product.
The ruling also included guidelines on what must be done to fix a home
built with problem wallboard.
The judge ruled that all of the drywall from these homes, even if some
of it was not manufactured in China, along with electrical components,
sprinklers and gas lines, air conditioners, carpeting, wood flooring,
cabinets, countertops, moldings, bathroom fixtures and insulation,
among other items, must be replaced.
Homes would have to be aired out for up to a month, cleaned with HEPA
vacuum or power washed. And families are entitled to payment for the
four to six months they have to leave their houses while repairs are
made, the ruling said.
His recommendations are similar to those issued by the Consumer
Product Safety Commission and Department of Housing and Urban
Development last week but go a bit further.
``While the ruling is not binding on anyone other than the parties to
the Germano case, it is certainly persuasive to other judges and
presumably Judge Fallon will rule similarly in other cases,'' said
Allison Grant, a Boca Raton attorney representing many affected
homeowners.
[Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/09/v-print/1570260/drywall-victims-win-suit.html#ixzz0khswzocS]
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TOPIC: Consumer Info
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 7:50 am
From: Consumer
Most people don't realize that they spend hundreds or even thousands of
dollars a year buying the heavily advertised (HA) brand products in the
grocery and department stores. There is nothing in the grocery or
department stores that is rocket science. Many of the less advertised (LA)
brands or store brands are just as good or better compared to the HA
brands. You are paying for the brainwashing that many HA brand
manufacturers put in their advertising campaigns. It is not difficult to
make shampoos, conditioners, cleaning products and all those other products
that can be found in your local grocery or department store. Why are you
paying 4+ dollars for baby shampoo when you can buy the less advertised
brand for half the money? Do you like wasting money? If the HA brand
products are better why would companies be spending billions of dollars in
advertising? The answer is that they are not better. They are trying to
convince you that the high price they are charging is some how justified by
a better product. If they were better they would not need to do the massive
advertising; social networking would sell the product. Many times they are
using terminology that means nothing. Even over the counter drugs like
aspirin can be bought for half the price of the HA brands. This is a
product that has been around for decades. The LA products are under the
same FDA regulations as the HA brands. Save a lot of money and don't buy
the over priced HA brands.
When you pay the higher price for the HA brands you are paying for the
ridiculous high salaries of the CEO's, private jets, golden parachutes and
for the billions spent on advertising.
Every time you go to the store you can save several dollars. Over time this
can amount to a significant amount of money.
In case you're thinking of buying insurance see the following link.
http://law.freeadvice.com/insurance_law/insurers_bad_faith/ten-worst-
insurance-companies.htm
Additional links.
http://moveyourmoney.info/find-a-bank
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TOPIC: Polish President dies showing God is unpredictable!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 2:59 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"
Him and 96 others died in a plane crash while traveling to mark the
70th anniversary of the killing of thousands of Polish officers in
WWII...
Is God trying to show his bias for Stalinism or just showing that it's
a bad idea to fly in bad weather? Whatever it is, I will try to stay
away from dangerous activities for a while.
---------------------------------------------------------
THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
"Be wise and wear your seat belt, parachute, life vest, helmet or
condom"
http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
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TOPIC: Weird credit score number
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/af3fea09021fa3af?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 3:22 pm
From: "Annie Woughman"
We are in the process of renewing our home equity line of credit. Today in
the mail we got notice of our credit score. The letter said that credit
scores range between 300 to 850, then stated that our score was 00874. What
kind of a number is that? It has two zeros to start with and doesn't fall
within the credit score ranges. Does anyone know about these things?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 11:31 pm
From: "h"
"Annie Woughman" <anniewoughman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_S6wn.28782$vC3.11611@newsfe04.iad...
> We are in the process of renewing our home equity line of credit. Today
> in the mail we got notice of our credit score. The letter said that
> credit scores range between 300 to 850, then stated that our score was
> 00874. What kind of a number is that? It has two zeros to start with and
> doesn't fall within the credit score ranges. Does anyone know about these
> things?
Did this come from one of the 3 credit score companies (Experian, etc.) or
was this some random advert from a marketing company? And receiving it in
the mail (not online) when you're in the midst of refinancing sounds fishy.
If the letter states (correctly) that "credit scores are between 350 and
850" then, obviously, a score of "00874" is completely bogus. Did you check
out the return address. Who sent this to you? From whom did you request your
credit score? If you didn't request it, then it's most likely some sort of
bogus marketing/scam.
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TOPIC: Unlikely event
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a75f128d0df3ec59?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 10 2010 7:17 pm
From: "Nick Naim"
"The Real Bev" <bashley101+es@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hpjok3$l65$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
I pee on them as they usually park in the back of the lot.
They provide cover for my emergencies.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> Far away in a strange land
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