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TOPIC: Non-stick pans
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 30 2011 10:41 pm
From: "John Weiss"
The Real Bev wrote:
> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
I gave up on Teflon a long time ago. I use Calphalon hard anodized
aluminum pans for most things now. You still need to use a little oil,
but most stuff washes off readily.
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 2:05 am
From: J Burns
On 3/31/11 12:48 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/30/11 19:11, Michael Black wrote:
>> I don't miss the non-stick, indeed I think I got the non-stick frying
>> pans mostly because that's what there was at a price I was willing
>> to spend.
>
> Some of us are slobs and wash dishes BY HAND once a week, if that. Easy
> counts for a lot.
>
DuPont says the advantage of "Classic Teflon" is that it's cheap. My
problem was not scraping the finish but that it would gradually lose its
non-stick quality. I'd end up using oil.
They say some of their newer finishes are several times more durable,
and some professional chefs love them.
I quit in favor if raw linseed oil. Linseed oil hardens fast. I clean
an iron skillet, use a paper napkin to wipe on a couple of drops of
linseed, set my electric burner to bring it up to about 350 degrees as
indicated by IR thermometer, and let the finish bake, occasionally
wiping on a couple of drops of oil. The result is like Teflon, but it's
cheap and easy to refurbish.
I don't even do that since I discovered Armour Lard. Polyunsaturated
fats in vegetable oils gum up a pan. Armour lard is mostly saturated
and monounsaturated. If my pan is dirty after frying something, I bake
biscuits in it. The residual fat sticks to the biscuits, adding flavor
to the biscuits and leaving the pan clean.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 11:39 am
From: RicodJour
On Mar 31, 12:48 am, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/30/11 19:11, Michael Black wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> >> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> >> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
>
> > Why?
>
> Because I don't want to scratch off the coating with steel utensils and
> you don't actually need them if the coating actually works.
>
> > I had two consecutive non-stick frying pans, and I took care of them,
> > but the coating came off both times, if I recall the second one lasted
> > a fairly short time.
>
> I'd like to avoid that. I hate to throw things away and I'll suffer
> using crap rather than pitch it in the trash before it's annoyed me for
> at least a couple of years.
>
> > I got a cheap stainless steel frying pan with an aluminum plate on the
> > bottom and it works fine, and I don't expect it to somehow go bad. I paid
> > something like ten dollars for it at some small kitchen store during a
> > sidewalk sale. I was so happy with that, I bought a nice pot with
> > steamer insert for about $20 at a similar store and sale, again with
> > a nice aluminum plate on the bottom.
>
> I've got some nice pans that I'm careful with, but they're too big for
> most things. I want it for pancakes, scrambled eggs, etc. The eggs are
> a real bitch.
>
> > I don't miss the non-stick, indeed I think I got the non-stick frying
> > pans mostly because that's what there was at a price I was willing
> > to spend.
>
> Some of us are slobs and wash dishes BY HAND once a week, if that. Easy
> counts for a lot.
Eating plastic of any kind doesn't make things more palatable. Use
cast iron and don't burn things. It'll outlast you and your kids,
they can be picked up at garage sales, and most times you can clean
them by just wiping them with a paper towel. That's the most frugal
way to go by far.
R
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 1:32 pm
From: "Bob F"
RicodJour wrote:
>
> Eating plastic of any kind doesn't make things more palatable. Use
> cast iron and don't burn things. It'll outlast you and your kids,
> they can be picked up at garage sales, and most times you can clean
> them by just wiping them with a paper towel. That's the most frugal
> way to go by far.
>
After using the cast iron, I scrape them out and run a tiny bit of water into
them, brush them out with my dish brush, and rinse them. Shake out the water,
then lightly butter them while they are still warm. That keeps them "non-stick",
especially for things like eggs. Soap never touches them.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 1:56 pm
From: Kalmia
On Mar 30, 6:57 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
> willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Subscribe today to "Fire in the Hole - the Quarterly Journal
> for Incinerator Toilet Enthusiasts" -- Andrew
No. Eventually, they all wear away, at least in my experience. I wish
I'd put my money into decent stainless.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 3:45 pm
From: Derald
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>After using the cast iron, I scrape them out and run a tiny bit of water into
>them, brush them out with my dish brush, and rinse them. Shake out the water,
>then lightly butter them while they are still warm. That keeps them "non-stick",
>especially for things like eggs. Soap never touches them.
IME, that's as much overkill as not washing one's "egg pan". I've never
understood the cast iron mystique: Keeping cast iron fit to use is no great
mystery. For 30+ years, DW&I regularly use cast iron cookware that I inherited
from my paternal grandmother as well as, much more recently, from my mother;
some of them, I have used since 1970. The cast iron gets washed, along with the
other cookware, by hand after every use with regular dishwashing detergent,
rinsed in the hottest available water, towel-dried and (when it's available)
placed in a warm oven for a brief period. When necessary, food residue gets
scoured away with a plastic "Chore Boy" or "Scotch Something" pad with no ill
effect. I conscientiously prevent the build up of any oil beyond the residual,
nearly undetectable, amount required to keep the iron properly "seasoned" and
that ain't much. For what it's worth, I'm able to fry eggs in the same pan in
which I am able to cook pancakes and without adding oil prior to either.
--
Derald,
Spiritual Advisor & life coach
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 3:45 pm
From: Derald
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off? I'm
>willing to use plastic/wood utensils...
Who knows? I've never encountered any.
--
Derald
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 4:00 pm
From: Sofa Slug
On 3/31/2011 11:39 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Mar 31, 12:48 am, The Real Bev<bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 03/30/11 19:11, Michael Black wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>>Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off?
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> Some of us are slobs and wash dishes BY HAND once a week, if that. Easy
>> counts for a lot.
>
> Eating plastic of any kind doesn't make things more palatable. Use
> cast iron and don't burn things. It'll outlast you and your kids,
> they can be picked up at garage sales, and most times you can clean
> them by just wiping them with a paper towel. That's the most frugal
> way to go by far.
>
> R
I agree. Using Teflon pans can be a bit risky unless you're careful:
http://snipr.com/nonstick-cookware-risks ...My family's health is more
important to me than saving a bit of time or a few $; I'll stick with
stainless & cast iron.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 4:59 pm
From: The Real Bev
On 03/31/11 16:00, Sofa Slug wrote:
> On 3/31/2011 11:39 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>> On Mar 31, 12:48 am, The Real Bev<bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/30/11 19:11, Michael Black wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2011, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Do any exist whose non-stickiness doesn't burn/scrape/wear off?
>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>> Some of us are slobs and wash dishes BY HAND once a week, if that. Easy
>>> counts for a lot.
>>
>> Eating plastic of any kind doesn't make things more palatable. Use
>> cast iron and don't burn things. It'll outlast you and your kids,
>> they can be picked up at garage sales, and most times you can clean
>> them by just wiping them with a paper towel. That's the most frugal
>> way to go by far.
>>
>> R
>
> I agree. Using Teflon pans can be a bit risky unless you're careful:
> http://snipr.com/nonstick-cookware-risks ...My family's health is more
> important to me than saving a bit of time or a few $; I'll stick with
> stainless& cast iron.
Absolutely blank.
--
Cheers,
Bev
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Will give investment advice for food.
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 12:42 am
From: Peter Keller
The size of the brain is hardly at correlated with the contents and
functions thereof.
--
67.4% of statistics are made up.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 2:30 am
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> As I was watching this program about the evolution, I realized that
> the same difference in brain size that exists between monkeys and
> homo sapiens could be the one that exists between homo sapiens
> and Christians, assuming Christians are a different species.
> But you may want to check it out yourself...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBTQGMvEQGw
> I mean there's a good chance that there's a physical difference
> between believers and nonbelievers. What made the Christians
> stop the evolutionary clock, while the rest of us thrived on
> change and capitalized on creativity?
> HOW MANY SCIENTISTS ARE FOUND AMONG THE CHRISTIANS?
Fuck all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 5:42 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Mar 31, 5:30 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>
> > As I was watching this program about the evolution, I realized that
> > the same difference in brain size that exists between monkeys and
> > homo sapiens could be the one that exists between homo sapiens
> > and Christians, assuming Christians are a different species.
> > But you may want to check it out yourself...
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBTQGMvEQGw
> > I mean there's a good chance that there's a physical difference
> > between believers and nonbelievers. What made the Christians
> > stop the evolutionary clock, while the rest of us thrived on
> > change and capitalized on creativity?
> > HOW MANY SCIENTISTS ARE FOUND AMONG THE CHRISTIANS?
>
> Fuck all.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-les...
"A separate poll in the 90s found only seven per cent of members of
the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God."
Thank you for the data. It backs my suspicions that they can't ride a
bike. ;)
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 6:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
The problems with Christians is not they are not smart in the form of
creativity. In this regard they have a "primitive mind": Their memory
is amazingly good --like chimps. They cite Bible's passages out of the
top of their head while failing to analyze new data and challenges.
Case in point is CLIMATE CHANGE in which there's little doubt among
the scientists, and yet the Christians are daring enough to deny it,
thus falling back to their comfort zone, ie. waiting for Jesus.
"Two questions were key: Have mean global temperatures risen compared
to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor
in changing mean global temperatures?
About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and
82 percent the second.
The strongest consensus on the causes of global warming came from
climatologists who are active in climate research, with 97 percent
agreeing humans play a role."
Obviously the fact that they are bipedal is not good enough. The
challenges are too big for them to handle.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 7:05 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Mar 31, 9:24 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The problems with Christians is not they are not smart in the form of
> creativity.
Let me rephrase that:
"The problem with Christians is not that they are not smart enough,
just that they are not smart in creativity."
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 1:46 pm
From: RicodJour
On Mar 30, 7:04 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 30, 3:03 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 30, 9:15 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...
>
> > The only long term hope for our...errr...my species, is getting off
> > planet. Thinking otherwise is simply being short-sighted.
>
> > BTW, I'll bet you that within our lifetimes the word lunatic will
> > undergo a complete reversal in meaning. Just so's ya know, I plan on
> > living a long time. Bet accordingly.
>
> > R
>
> Sorry, the idea was found to be lunatic:
>
> On Mar 30, 3:57 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Actually, there are people of other religions who would like to colonize
> > space. For example, there are Indian and Israeli astronauts (one was
> > killed with the Columbia disaster) and Russian Cosmonauts. Not all the
> > people who are on the International Space Station are Christian.
>
> > In addition, not all believe in God. And many people who want to
> > colonize space are not believers in God at all.
>
> Colonizing space is not the same as the shuttle program. Colonization
> means permanent bases in the Moon or elsewhere.
>
> But don't worry, Bush was bullshitting...
>
> "NASA budget for 2011 eliminates funds for manned lunar missions"
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR201...
>
> Obama must have found the mission lunatic.
I bow to your mastery of the self-marginalizing post. A truly
innovative way of promoting something to insure nothing happens.
Kudos!
R
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 6:03 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Mar 31, 4:46 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 30, 7:04 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
>
>
> Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 30, 3:03 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 9:15 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...
>
> > > The only long term hope for our...errr...my species, is getting off
> > > planet. Thinking otherwise is simply being short-sighted.
>
> > > BTW, I'll bet you that within our lifetimes the word lunatic will
> > > undergo a complete reversal in meaning. Just so's ya know, I plan on
> > > living a long time. Bet accordingly.
>
> > > R
>
> > Sorry, the idea was found to be lunatic:
>
> > On Mar 30, 3:57 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > Actually, there are people of other religions who would like to colonize
> > > space. For example, there are Indian and Israeli astronauts (one was
> > > killed with the Columbia disaster) and Russian Cosmonauts. Not all the
> > > people who are on the International Space Station are Christian.
>
> > > In addition, not all believe in God. And many people who want to
> > > colonize space are not believers in God at all.
>
> > Colonizing space is not the same as the shuttle program. Colonization
> > means permanent bases in the Moon or elsewhere.
>
> > But don't worry, Bush was bullshitting...
>
> > "NASA budget for 2011 eliminates funds for manned lunar missions"
>
> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR201...
>
> > Obama must have found the mission lunatic.
>
> I bow to your mastery of the self-marginalizing post. A truly
> innovative way of promoting something to insure nothing happens.
> Kudos!
>
> R
Don't worry, I'll make science and reason prevail. The Christians are
the main obstacle to progress:
On Mar 31, 7:37 pm, Zonker Bill <joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Christians don't believe in science, so how can they believe in
> rockets and space? They think that the planets are all attached to
> giant crystal spheres, just out of reach of a tall man on the highest
> mountain.
That's true, but they do believe in whatever a Republican president
tells them.
Did Bush say if we would explore the whole Universe or just a couple
of planets? ;)
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 31 2011 6:18 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
On Mar 31, 9:03 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 4:46 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 30, 7:04 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > Philosopher" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 30, 3:03 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 30, 9:15 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> > > > Philosopher" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Isn't the idea LUNATIC? It looks so from my Beach Cruiser...
>
> > > > The only long term hope for our...errr...my species, is getting off
> > > > planet. Thinking otherwise is simply being short-sighted.
>
> > > > BTW, I'll bet you that within our lifetimes the word lunatic will
> > > > undergo a complete reversal in meaning. Just so's ya know, I plan on
> > > > living a long time. Bet accordingly.
>
> > > > R
>
> > > Sorry, the idea was found to be lunatic:
>
> > > On Mar 30, 3:57 pm, dr_jeff <u...@msu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Actually, there are people of other religions who would like to colonize
> > > > space. For example, there are Indian and Israeli astronauts (one was
> > > > killed with the Columbia disaster) and Russian Cosmonauts. Not all the
> > > > people who are on the International Space Station are Christian.
>
> > > > In addition, not all believe in God. And many people who want to
> > > > colonize space are not believers in God at all.
>
> > > Colonizing space is not the same as the shuttle program. Colonization
> > > means permanent bases in the Moon or elsewhere.
>
> > > But don't worry, Bush was bullshitting...
>
> > > "NASA budget for 2011 eliminates funds for manned lunar missions"
>
> > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/31/AR201...
>
> > > Obama must have found the mission lunatic.
>
> > I bow to your mastery of the self-marginalizing post. A truly
> > innovative way of promoting something to insure nothing happens.
> > Kudos!
>
> > R
>
> Don't worry, I'll make science and reason prevail. The Christians are
> the main obstacle to progress:
>
> On Mar 31, 7:37 pm, Zonker Bill <joe.s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Christians don't believe in science, so how can they believe in
> > rockets and space? They think that the planets are all attached to
> > giant crystal spheres, just out of reach of a tall man on the highest
> > mountain.
>
> That's true, but they do believe in whatever a Republican president
> tells them.
>
> Did Bush say if we would explore the whole Universe or just a couple
> of planets? ;)
To be politically correct, the problem is not the Christians that ride
bikes, but that most of the Christians are older folks or couch
potatoes that don't vote about progressive issues. They mostly care
about keeping homosexuals, prostitutes and drug addicts in the closet.
If they hear that I propose Dutch liberal democracy, they'll freak out.
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