Frugal Living: Aug 25, 2010

Wednesday, August 25, 2010

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TOPIC: Is the Ticket to Heaven based on Points or Influence?
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Aug 24 2010 10:01 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 24, 7:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "The Real Bev" <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:i51otf$5s0$2@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > On 08/24/10 15:22, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> >> The point of any newsgroup is to COMMUNICATE something that others can
> >> respond to. You never do that.
>
> > Wrong. YOU respond. Frequently.
>
> No, it is all copy and paste. TM is beneath contempt. He is a spammer pure
> and simple. He is good natured, and I give him credit for that, but his
> crusading has got to come to a stop. Usenet has enough nuts without his
> kind
> polluting the bandwidth.
>
> Ignoring the posts of a proliferate asinine poster eventually destroys the
> newsgroup. If everyone would condemn him for his asininities, the group
> would get along much better. TM is not stupid, but he is wrongheaded. He
> seems not to realize what a newsgroup is about. It is about
> COMMUNICATION -
> and nothing else!
>
> I will cut him some slack provided he does two things: stop proliferating
> posts and be more responsive to anyone who replies to him. Is that asking
> too much? If all he wants to do is talk to himself, I will condemn him for
> it and I will not be kind or civil about it. He knows what he has to do if
> he wants to be accepted as a member in good standing.

>>> You ignore me, I ignore you. Just copy and paste...

I will no longer ignore you if you proliferate posts and are not responsive
to others. You have had a free ride for long enough. You do not own these
newsgroups anymore than anyone else does. Be reasonable and I will not
bother you.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 5:30 am
From: Clams <"Clams"@drunkenclam.com>

Edward Dolan wrote: Fuck you, you god damn dumb stupid asshole!
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

Another pathetic case of a failed education.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 6:26 am
From: George

On 8/25/2010 8:30 AM, Clams wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote: Fuck you, you god damn dumb stupid asshole!
>>
>> Fucking Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
>
>
> Another pathetic case of a failed education.

Unfortunately both are a matched set trying to outdo each other in
trying to call attention to themselves. They are just like the folks you
find jabbering on a street corner and just don't get the idea that no
one but themselves is interested in what they have to say..

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 7:03 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 25, 6:26 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/25/2010 8:30 AM, Clams wrote:
>
> > Edward Dolan wrote: Fuck you, you god damn dumb stupid asshole!
>
> >> Fucking Regards,
>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> > Another pathetic case of a failed education.
>
> Unfortunately both are a matched set trying to outdo each other in
> trying to call attention to themselves. They are just like the folks you
> find jabbering on a street corner and just don't get the idea that no
> one but themselves is interested in what they have to say..

You ignore my wisdom... you pay the price. The Law of the Jungle and
Nature are on my side.

On Aug 24, 8:55 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> They also need daily socialization with humans. Let them out
> of their cage for an hour's worth of play each day.
>
> Tell her to consider that for all of their negative impact, rattus
> norvegicus has benefitted us far more by sacrificing themselves
> at the altar of science.
>
> far more to humanity's welfare

I delivered the message...

The rat and the mouse show that curiosity is a great asset. But many
in our society --mainly the Christians-- have been bred to be dumb.

Curiosity leads to science and discovery --and sometimes death. But we
are here because our species used to be very curious and we have kind
of learned from their mistakes. For example, eating a "forbidden
fruit" (presumably poisonous) lead to the deaths of some and to the
knowledge of many. So the "tree of knowledge" is really a good thing
no matter what the Bible tells you.

Do I sound like preaching? ;)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 11:54 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:i535mr$sv9$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 8/25/2010 8:30 AM, Clams wrote:
>> Edward Dolan wrote: Fuck you, you god damn dumb stupid asshole!
>>
>> Another pathetic case of a failed education.

Alas, don't you wish it were true. Unfortunately for you I have several
higher degrees and am a Phi Beta Kappa into the bargain. TM deserves what I
give him because he actually is a god damn dumb stupid asshole who deserves
to be fucked.

> Unfortunately both are a matched set trying to outdo each other in trying
> to call attention to themselves. They are just like the folks you find
> jabbering on a street corner and just don't get the idea that no one but
> themselves is interested in what they have to say..

Poor George is unable to make discriminations, ever the downfall of all
idiots. I have already told him I am a housekeeper, but maybe he does not
know what that entails on a newsgroup.

I have only two issues with TM. He proliferates threads which are not
original and he is almost never responsive to what others say (however, he
is getting better at that I must admit). If he corrects those two things, I
will not bother him. After all, he can post all he wants just like the rest
of us, but when you proliferate threads it turns everyone else off. It is
almost criminal in nature to do that. If he stops proliferating threads, he
will never hear from me. After all, I have nothing in common with a super
idiot like him.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: a frugal Veterinarian ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 6:31 am
From: Charmin

On Aug 24, 6:34 pm, tmclone <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> On Aug 24, 6:11 pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Now, guess who really cares about making pet care affordable and guess
> > > who is just plain greedy. Assuming other charges reflect their
> > > philosophy .
>
> > Talk about jumping to conclusions and bashing folks. In my area the doc
> > who is behind the clinic and offers his time for free to them also has a
> > normal practice where he charges to cover his education, expenses and to
> > feed himself and his family...
>
> The OP is a clueless idiot who has obviously never owned a business.
> Does he really think that the vet shouldn't charge for his time? Or
> price services based on overhead? When I take my cats in for a yearly
> checkup, the cost is about $100 each, and includes 2-3 shots (rabies
> is every three years). Any bloodwork or other tests cost extra.
> Doesn't seem even remotely "greedy" to me at all. And why the hell
> should pet care be "affordable"? If you can't afford to provide your
> pet's basic needs, you shouldn't be a pet owner.

But to his credit, he does provide amusing posts from trying to
achieve a reverse mortgage on a beat up mobile home to looking for a
free towing scam on a junk VW up the street.

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TOPIC: Recipe
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 9:01 am
From: Susan Bugher

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 08/24/10 11:47, Susan Bugher wrote:

>> re frugal-living: skip the nuts, use half the amount of chocolate
>> chips if you want to cut costs. You may or may not like the variation
>> better than the original recipe. . .

> Words fail me. One should NEVER economize by cheaping out on an
> inexpensive luxury. Save the dollar where it won't affect your life --

> DON'T make the stupid rice crispies squares, which end up costing more
> than decent chocolate.
>
> Take shorter showers.
>
> Skip the ice cream cone.
>
> Steal office supplies from work -- most are fungible and once in your
> purse/pocket they're yours.
>
> Buy REAL oatmeal instead of those instant packets; It only takes a
> minute longer unless you like gooey oatmeal.
>
> Use the 'dead' batteries from your mp3 player or camera in a flashlight,
> whose requirements are less stringent.
>
> Buy used whenever possible -- and it's generally more possible than most
> people think.
>
> But you already knew all this, right? :-)

Nope, I didn't know some of the ways *YOU* prefer to economize as listed
above. You said: "Save the dollar where it won't affect your life". I
agree but. . .

*I* like long hot showers (luckily I'm currently living in a water rich
area). *YOU* said one should "NEVER" give up an "inexpensive luxury" yet
short showers are on *YOUR* list of ways to economize. Perhaps that's a
luxury *YOU* find it easy to forgo.

*I* prefer chocolate chip cookies with more dough, fewer chips. That
suggestion seemed to horrify *YOU* but that economy improves *MY*
quality of life. :)

IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do
something? Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?

YMMV of course. ;)

Susan

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 9:19 am
From: "h"

"Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8dksl3F8qdU1@mid.individual.net...
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 08/24/10 11:47, Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>>> re frugal-living: skip the nuts, use half the amount of chocolate
>>> chips if you want to cut costs. You may or may not like the variation
>>> better than the original recipe. . .
>
>> Words fail me. One should NEVER economize by cheaping out on an
>> inexpensive luxury. Save the dollar where it won't affect your life --
>
> IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
> Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do something?
> Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?
>
Agreed. I couldn't care less about chocolate (don't eat wheat or sugar) and
my skin dries out quickly in hot water, so long showers are right out.
However, I refuse to drink low-quality alcohol. I have a friend who buys box
wine because it's cheap, and she says she doesn't like it! Huh? I just don't
get why she drinks it. Why not spend the same amount on the good stuff and
just drink less of it?

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 11:53 am
From: Derald

"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>Huh? I just don't
>get why she drinks it. Why not spend the same amount on the good stuff and
>just drink less of it?
Depends on what "good" is.... God knows I've burnt some awful
smelling and tasting weed during the past 40-or-so years: It's about the
buzz, baby;-) Introduce her to a product named, "Everclear", a brand of
near-lethal proof neutral grain alcohol. If she insists on wine, suggest
"'Old Mister Boston' white port"; the oxymoron should tell you something
about it....
Crawled out from under a sidewalk in Miami's Coconut Grove one
spring morning about 40 years ago and was introduced to the wonders of
breakfasting on OMB white port by an elderly gentleman of the Uncle
Remus persuasion whom I'll never forget. We spent a few unforgettably
(and frugally -- he was buying) pleasant Spring days swapping sailor's
lies in the park before I hitched on down to Key West to pick up my
ship. I was only about a month late but sober and still don't understand
what the LPs found so objectionable.
--
Derald

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 11:53 am
From: Derald

Susan Bugher <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote:

>IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
>Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do
>something? Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?
Oh, dear, Cult Princess, do you know what "apoplexy" is? You just
induced uncountable cases. Quick: Change your name before some shark
tries to dredge up a class action!
--
Derald

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 4:25 pm
From: Susan Bugher

h wrote:
> "Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8dksl3F8qdU1@mid.individual.net...

>> IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
>> Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do something?
>> Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?

> Agreed. I couldn't care less about chocolate (don't eat wheat or sugar) and
> my skin dries out quickly in hot water, so long showers are right out.

Making it very easy for you to economize on those things. :)

> However, I refuse to drink low-quality alcohol. I have a friend who buys box
> wine because it's cheap, and she says she doesn't like it! Huh? I just don't
> get why she drinks it. Why not spend the same amount on the good stuff and
> just drink less of it?

Dunno, have you asked her? If she doesn't like the taste of the wine she
buys the only *guess* that occurs to me is that she does like the
effect. Less wine would produce less effect => advice on the least
expensive ways to get snockered might be helpful. <grin>

Susan

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 4:55 pm
From: "h"

"Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8dlmlkF7f1U1@mid.individual.net...
>h wrote:
>> "Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:8dksl3F8qdU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>>> IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
>>> Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do
>>> something? Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?
>
>> Agreed. I couldn't care less about chocolate (don't eat wheat or sugar)
>> and my skin dries out quickly in hot water, so long showers are right
>> out.
>
> Making it very easy for you to economize on those things. :)
>
>> However, I refuse to drink low-quality alcohol. I have a friend who buys
>> box wine because it's cheap, and she says she doesn't like it! Huh? I
>> just don't get why she drinks it. Why not spend the same amount on the
>> good stuff and just drink less of it?
>
> Dunno, have you asked her? If she doesn't like the taste of the wine she
> buys the only *guess* that occurs to me is that she does like the effect.
> Less wine would produce less effect => advice on the least expensive ways
> to get snockered might be helpful. <grin>
>
> Susan
>
Nope. She only drinks a glass or two a week. And bitches about how crappy it
tastes. She clearly has some masochistic tendencies...Give me one or two
REALLY good glasses of something once a week, and I'm fine. I could drink
half a box of crap wine every day (well...no, I'm sure I couldn't) and still
be unsatisfied. I just don't get it. She says it's about money, but I can't
see how it really is.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 5:17 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:19:03 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>
>"Susan Bugher" <sebugher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8dksl3F8qdU1@mid.individual.net...
>> The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 08/24/10 11:47, Susan Bugher wrote:
>>
>>>> re frugal-living: skip the nuts, use half the amount of chocolate
>>>> chips if you want to cut costs. You may or may not like the variation
>>>> better than the original recipe. . .
>>
>>> Words fail me. One should NEVER economize by cheaping out on an
>>> inexpensive luxury. Save the dollar where it won't affect your life --
>>
>> IMNSHO frugal living is NOT a set of rules. One size does NOT fit all.
>> Frugal living is a mind set -> is there a more frugal way to do something?
>> Are the tradeoffs (if any) acceptable to me?
>>
>Agreed. I couldn't care less about chocolate (don't eat wheat or sugar) and
>my skin dries out quickly in hot water, so long showers are right out.

Dry skin and other maladies are an indication of not enough wheat,
sugar or fat in the diet.
Eat a half dozen sweet rolls or jelly donuts every week.
If that doesn't work, add more pork roast to your diet.
That'll get your skin healthy and allow for normal hygiene.

>However, I refuse to drink low-quality alcohol. I have a friend who buys box
>wine because it's cheap, and she says she doesn't like it! Huh? I just don't
>get why she drinks it. Why not spend the same amount on the good stuff and
>just drink less of it?
>

I totally agree with you.
I drink a few bottles of Hacker-Pschorr Weis Brau (wheat beer) a week,
and it's not a cheap beer.
Don't want any part of Budweiser or Shlitz.
And you're right on the mark about the wine.
From a frugal standpoint, if your friend is drinking 8-10 gallons of
wine a week, the more expensive wine can plain break the bank.
Better to do as you say and drink just 4-5 gallons of a better wine at
twice the price but enjoy it more.

Keep in mind though, excessive alcohol consumption can cause dry skin.
And even good wine has tannins that get the skin all prune-like and
dried up.
A few good wheat beers a week is all-around better for your health
than drinking all that wine.
Most people who tend to whiskeys and wines are latent alcoholics, so
keep an eye on your consumption and don't let your appetite for
alcohol get the best of you.
From a quick glance at what I see above, it looks likes you're at the
4-5 gallon a week consumption point.
Might be time to take a sober look at that.

On the subject of Toll House chocolate chip cookies, I changed that
recipe early on.
I won't tell exactly how, except to say the chip and egg amounts,
white/brown sugar ratio and baking soda are all tweaked.
And I use a quality high-gluten flour. King Arthur.
Those cookies have gotten nothing but rave reviews from me.
It should go without saying that without walnuts Toll House cookies
are worthless.
Unfortunately for America, I had to say it.

--Vic

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 5:26 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:55:28 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>>
>Nope. She only drinks a glass or two a week. And bitches about how crappy it
>tastes. She clearly has some masochistic tendencies...Give me one or two
>REALLY good glasses of something once a week, and I'm fine. I could drink
>half a box of crap wine every day (well...no, I'm sure I couldn't) and still
>be unsatisfied. I just don't get it. She says it's about money, but I can't
>see how it really is.
>

Just want to apologize for suggesting you might have a drinking
problem in a post I just made.
You're saying here you don't drink much.
That's not what I understood from the previous post.
Glad you've made the effort to clear that up.

--Vic

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 8:54 pm
From: Derald

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>A few good wheat beers a week is all-around better for your health
>than drinking all that wine.
Whew; what do you have against beer? "Wheat" and "beer" are
mutually exclusive; we simply have inadequate labeling laws in the US,
that's all. That's why, for example, you will see fat-free "half and
half" and "vine ripened" tomatoes that are hard a baseballs (and bounce
when dropped) on store shelves.
It seems to me that your use of the adjective "good" in conjunction
with "wheat beer" would cause someone who likes actual _beer_ to
question your ability to discern "good" chocolate chip cookies, too ;-)
There may be no "rules" about frugality but there certainly are about
"beer": Traditionally (and legally, in some places in the world) "beer"
is made with water, barley malt (or an extract therefrom), hops, yeast
and more hops (preferably, fresh). Beer definitely is _not_ made with
rice (Budweiser), corn (Miller), or wheat, although, wheat is sometimes
added to impart a red color (except in some locales which have a legal
definition of "beer") but it has a deleterious effect on flavor. I
thought Stroh's (o.k. beer for a lightweight player) bought Schlitz some
years back and, mercifully, removed it from the marketplace
Likewise, chocolate chip cookies with almonds are "chocolate chip
and almond" cookies, not "chocolate chip" cookies. You can keep the
former. Adding almonds to chocolate destroys the character of the
chocolate. That doesn't matter if one is cooking with crapola like the
Nestlé's products sold in U.S.A. but it is significant if one uses real
chocolate, although, real chocolate doesn't deserve to be baked in a
cookie in the first place.
And a big big thanks to Dennis (evil) for hipping me to the IPA and
warm-from-the-oven CC cookies combination. It's a meal. Although, the
cookies won't be warm, the combo is a pretty good substitute for my
favorite breakfast of a full-bodied craft lager and freshly picked
"Little Marvel" garden peas on the half shell when the peas aren't in
season.
--
Derald

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TOPIC: property tax appeal denied
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 9:10 am
From: Ohioguy

>new construction. That's why your neighbor appealed, she had just
>built a house.

Actually, hers was built in 1980, I believe, and ours in 1979. Money
got tight, and so she tried to decrease her taxes - simple as that.

> clue how to fill out the paperwork and find comps. This will be a
> great business, and I'll be able to piss off the local government too.

Not sure if you really want to do that - they could turn around and
make your life miserable in return, couldn't they? However, I do
understand what you are saying about helping everyone else around save
on the taxes. I suppose once 4 or 5 neighbors have knocked the taxes
down, it would be easier for neighbors to use.

Also, guess what? I measured the living area in my house, adding a
couple of feet just to be pessimistic. It turns out the living area is
a full 20% less than what it says on the auditor's website!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 4:03 pm
From: MAS

On 8/25/2010 12:10 PM, Ohioguy wrote:
> Also, guess what? I measured the living area in my house, adding a
> couple of feet just to be pessimistic. It turns out the living area is a
> full 20% less than what it says on the auditor's website!

Your auditor's website gives room measurements? All ours has is total
square footage.

Marsha

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 5:02 pm
From: "h"

"MAS" <mas@bbbb.net> wrote in message news:i547gt$goc$1@news.datemas.de...

> Your auditor's website gives room measurements? All ours has is total
> square footage.
>

Huh? All rooms aren't mapped to the millimeter where you live? Weird! They
spent 45 minutes re-mapping my weirdly shaped acre when they re-evaluated
all properties, even with the survey stakes showing in all 9 corners (told
you it was weird).

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TOPIC: Our house insurance company screwed up our mortgage payment
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 9:14 am
From: Ohioguy

> Oh, and home insurance is a scam. Every year we have to go to a
> different company to get their teaser "first year" rate. The next year

Well, that's about the only nice thing I can say about Farmer's
Insurance - they only went up $5 the second year.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 10:53 am
From: Cindy Hamilton

On Aug 24, 4:36 pm, vjp2...@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I have repeatedly found insurance policies (starting with my own) that
> were set up to insure the entire property and not just the house.
>
> Furthermore, given today's steel stud construction, building a new
> house can be a lot cheaper than it used to be. If the parts are computer
> machined, a new house might even cost less in terms of labor than
> fixing an old one.

Today's steel stud construction? Most houses built here in Michigan
still seem to be using regular old wooden studs.

Cindy Hamilton

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Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 10:46 am
From: Derald

gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

>
>Not just humans; elephants as well.
That is as may be. I am doubful, though, that elephants
deliberately devise ways to increase their efficiency but you never
know....
>
>I'm all in favor of people preaching "back to the land, living with nature,
>no industrialization" to try it for a while. Say, five years, in an area
>enclosed by a large fence, which they're not allow out of before their
>five years are up.
LOL! You're a far more kind-hearted soul than I. I'd wall it in and
fill it with water. But then, to me, "public spirit" is sharing one's
whisky and "social responsibiliy" is allowing my fellow citizens to live
unmolested by me.
>
>Turning over ten acres of land by hand will elminiate
>the need for exercise equipment and ensure there are few deaths due to
>heart disease. I'm sure starvation would make op the difference.
Shoot, if I had ten acres under cultivation, It'd be with a mule, a
donkey, or a house full of kids to pull the plow, although, the kids are
likely to be too long lived for my tastes. Then, of course, I'd have to
cultivate more of the acreage to feed the mule/donkey/brats than to feed
me.
>
>It occurs to me that I should append "and shut up" to my .sig.
Nah; that would enough of them so unmotivated that we might even
have to plant trees our own damned selves to take up the slack!
--
Derald

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 1:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 22, 6:33 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We all know he's responsible for this mess, or perhaps the Devil, but
> you get the point: THIS IS A MESS.
>
> How can we fix the world (or at least transportation) without God?
>
> On Aug 21, 3:03 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
> > On 08/20/2010 08:47 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > > On Aug 20, 12:49 am, Day Brown<dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On 08/19/2010 10:58 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> > >>> We shouldn't be tempted to make sweeping statements such as the fast
> > >>> train is the solution and bicycle is not. You don't travel from Miami
> > >>> to Orlando everyday.
> > >>> Most trips in America are done to the market and possibly under a
> > >>> radius of 5 miles, or could be done if we drop Walmart in favor of the
> > >>> local store.
> > >> I find that a sweeping statement. You are not going to carry a week's
> > >> worth of groceries and supplies home on a bike.
> > > That's what I can carry with any of my bikes. But you always have an
> > > excuse to ride more often to the market if not as well prepared.
> > >>> The solution is a combination of the above, and take into
> > >>> consideration that we could be riding faster bikes to cover our sprawl
> > >>> instead of the heavy European bike.
> > >> Americans are also a buncha fat slobs who wont ride a bike, much less do
> > >> so if its raining. They will ride a golf cart or electric car to the
> > >> corner store or local mall to bring home whatever, and would use it to
> > >> commute if it also rode the train so they can drive off the train and go
> > >> to work.
> > > Yes, they have been bred that way by careful manipulation. That could
> > > change though as they try riding a bike and shedding pounds.
> > But they are not going try in the first place because of the
> > manipulation. I'm not saying your ideas are not good, but that they cant
> > be sold because of corporate profits - that pay for advertising - that
> > in turn blind the eye of the media to real solutions.
>
> They won't be sold, but they can either be put in place in other
> nations or be fought for recognition right here.
>
> Same, same situation with the stupid prohibition. It won't be America
> leading the way, but it's bound to be abandoned by some nation who's
> tough enough to do it.
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> > >> It'd be much better for them to ride bikes more, but that's not upta us.
> > >> I'm outlining a project the fat bastards would actually get behind. The
> > >> vehicle carrier rail could get to the urban hub ten minutes or more
> > >> sooner, and to the lazy bastards that makes all the diff.
> > >> I've used my golfcart to haul firewood out of the woods; but properly
> > >> equipped for urban streets, it'd easy go 4-5 miles and back on flat
> > >> pavement at 25 mph.
> > > Some of them are street legal here in Florida (Bombardier type), but
> > > not advisable under conditions where the big fish eats the little
> > > fish.
> > I dont claim golf carts or even electric cars would be appropriate
> > everywhere. And certainly, you may find enlightened communities promote
> > bikes.
>
> Bombardier is not exactly a golf cart...
>
> http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/t/r/troprent/ford.htm
>
> They are FRIENDLY COMMUNITY VEHICLES not intimidating GATED COMMUNITY
> SUV'S.
>
> > I've noticed a trend of transnationals investing in towns of 10k to 50k
> > rather than major metro areas. When a town is only 50,000, you can ride
> > a bike from one end to the other; its only a couple miles. People have a
> > lower cost of living, business has more profit.
> > But for the major metro areas, the only kind of public transport that'll
> > work needs to carry the electric vehicle, and if it does, the time and
> > cost of the commute will be less, and therefore get funding.
>
> What will work is breaking the MONOPOLY OF THE AUTOMOBILE, very
> similar to the rule of the dinosaurs and encourage smarter ways of
> life to emerge: EV (low and high performance), BICYCLES, SCOOTERS and
> PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.
>
> The vehicle above cost peanuts compared to the Volt. And LIVING WITH
> PEANUTS is what the revolution is all about!
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> REVOLUTION!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCjGgrewYY&feature=search
>
> SOLUTIONS...
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

This is your opportunity, Ed. No God, no monkey, just solutions.

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?

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Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 6:21 pm
From: rvanson

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Aug 23, 5:07 pm, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:12:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On Aug 13, 1:44 am, rvanson <rvan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> There is a company called Hireright that is a huge datbase for
>> >> informtaion on many individuals.
>>
>> >> Once you are on the database your info is almost impossible to have
>> >> removed or altered. Welcome to the Brave New World of the USSA.
>>
>> >However, in this case it's free enterprise compiling the database, so
>> >your reference to the USSA (parallel to USSR, I assume) is
>> >somewhat off the mark.
>>
>> Does it really matter?
>>
>> Do you think the FBI, the CIA and the NSA dont have databases on US
>> citisens as well?
>
>Possibly. That's irrelevant to the issue of Hireright, which is a
>private
>company.

So you know for a fact that they do not exchange information with the
government, do you?

Prove it.
>I'm trying to figure out what those three federal agencies would have
>about me in a database. The fact that I had a speeding ticket
>about 12 years ago? The fact that I once looked at Al Jazeera
>online just to see what it was like? Google is probably more of
>a threat to my privacy than the NSA.
>
>I apparently didn't get the gene for paranoia. I just don't care
>what's in my FBI file (if I have one).

You need to watch Enemy of the State with Gene Hackman. All of that
is true and that was made back in 1998. It figures you call someone
with knowledge of such things a paranoiac. Go ahead don't believe me.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25 2010 7:42 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

(All these attacks on God have a purpose: He's the ultimate
responsible for the world's crisis, right? If not, who is?)

According to this Christian spoof --making fun of evolution-- the
amoeba can not have become a complex organism, thus Creation becomes
the reality where God created... all the organisms including the
amoeba! He created on the same day the elephant and the amoeba, the
cat and the fish... Fishy, no?

"Still, this little fish was not happy. Amoeba could only stay home
in the water and still did not have any arms or legs and could not
walk. Amoeba swam back and forth wondering what he should do. Why of
course! He would ask Mutation to wave her magic wand once again."

http://www.storyofevolution.com/

Then --we can ask God with all the innocence of a kid-- why the fuck
create the amoeba?

Of course, we don't teach foul language to kids, but neither should we
teach them ignorance...

------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Don't lie to kids because they'll hate you for that"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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