Frugal Living: Jan 19, 2008

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TOPIC: CONGRATULATIONS, ALL VIEWING THIS POST HAVE BEEN SELECTED.......
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 3:08 pm
From: clams_casino

Discount Place wrote:

>You've been accepted as a FREE
> member in our worldwide MPM
> group.
>
>

Cool. Out of millions of people, I was selected. I'm thrilled.

Do you have any cheap shoes or knock-off watches?

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TOPIC: Watch Alex Jone's 'Endgame' Today - The Global Elite's Plans for World
Government Exposed
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 3:09 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article
<e9bea475-1b5f-4e15-8f11-99ca47291559@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
"nowarforisrael.com" <gfhdtr6yd6ry@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Alex Jone's ENDGAME: Blueprint For Global Enslavement
> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
>
> "Alex Jones' brand new documentary Endgame charts the history of the
> elite blueprint for social domination and control, outlining the
> ultimate plans that those who consider themselves the anointed have
> for our planet.

Ooooh my, you mean that there is a global conspiracy to run
the planet where a few people get rich off of the masses. Tell
me its not true!

> Looking more slick and professionally produced than
> ever with an intense soundtrack and filmed in super quality high
> definition, Endgame is a must watch for anyone seriously concerned
> with the world we live in today.

Well, if it has a good sound track and superior graphics,
it must be true. Just like all the junk that Fox News runs all
the time that they claim to be news.

-john-

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 4:46 pm
From: "Paul Thomas"

"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
> "nowarforisrael.com" <gfhdtr6yd6ry@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Alex Jone's ENDGAME: Blueprint For Global Enslavement
>> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261
>>
>> "Alex Jones' brand new documentary Endgame charts the history of the
>> elite blueprint for social domination and control, outlining the
>> ultimate plans that those who consider themselves the anointed have
>> for our planet.
>
> Ooooh my, you mean that there is a global conspiracy to run
> the planet where a few people get rich off of the masses. Tell
> me its not true!
>
>> Looking more slick and professionally produced than
>> ever with an intense soundtrack and filmed in super quality high
>> definition, Endgame is a must watch for anyone seriously concerned
>> with the world we live in today.
>
> Well, if it has a good sound track and superior graphics,
> it must be true. Just like all the junk that Fox News runs all
> the time that they claim to be news.

Is there nudity? How about bloodshed?

--
"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."
Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992), Salvor Hardin in "Foundation"

Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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TOPIC: Buying a chandelier online?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 3:44 pm
From: "Lou"

"Modern Light" <nobody@mixmin.net> wrote in message
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> I want to replace the light over my dining room table. I've identified a
> chandelier that I like and now want to purchase it. Nobody in town stocks
> the item and they all want a lot more for the thing than what I would pay
> online.
>
> What I'm most afraid of is breakage in transit via UPS. I was thinking of
> buying from LightingUniverse. Unfortunately some of their reviews at
> ResellerRatings and epinions were scary. Other vendors are father away,
> have higher prices, play games like advertising a MSRP that's higher than
> the manufacturer's price, and several seem to be run by the same company,
> just different website names. So now I'm wondering if maybe I should bag
> the buying online. Has anybody ever purchased a lighting fixture online?
>

I don't see any reason why shipping an item bought online should be any
different from shipping an item bought from a mail order catalog. What I
would be somewhat wary of is a large price disparity between buying it
locally and buying it remotely. When comparing prices, don't forget to
include shipping and insurance charges.

All that aside, I have a decided preference for buying locally. If the item
is more than a few bucks, almost any store is open to haggling. Once I find
whatever it is I'm looking for, I make the rounds of local merchants and
tell them up front what I'm after and that I'm shopping for price. At
times, someone will beat the best price I've found, at other times no one
will.

I always pay with a credit card - if something goes wrong, you may have the
credit card issuer on your side provided you've followed their rules.

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TOPIC: ROBOT FOREX 2008 AUTOMATIK
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Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 4:10 pm
From: jutawan3u

ROBOT FOREX 2008 AUTOMATIK

Software/ System ini amat mudah dikendalikan dan tidak perlukan masa
yang lama untuk menjana wang melaluinya dan ianya beroperasi secara
automatik tanpa perlu kita berbuat apa-apa, hanya memerhati sambil
bersantai ianya mampu
menjana Duit beribu-ribu Ringgit sehari.

System ini sebenarnya sebuah robot yang dicipta untuk melakukan urusan
jual beli melalui platform metatrader4 (MT4) yang akan diberikan
didalam Pakej Mesin Duit ini.

Forex (perdagangan matawang asing) merupakan perdagangan yang paling
besar sekali didalam dunia ini, dan segala urusan jual beli dilakukan
melalui internet sahaja. Walaubagaimanapun, bukan semua orang tahu
cara dan keperluan untuk berurusniaga didalam Forex, dan kos
pembelajaran Forex memakan belanja ribuan Ringgit.

Oleh kerana itulah Software/ System ini di cipta, ia merupakan sebuah
robot yang sudah diprogramkan untuk menjalankan urusniaga secara
automatic dan mempunyai kelebihan untuk membuat analisis pasaran tanpa
perlu kita berbuat apa-apa,
kita hanya perlu hidupkan komputer, aktifkan ia di dalam platform dan
biarkan dia beroperasi sendiri untuk menjana Ribuan Ringgit secara
automatic....

Ya... 100% automatic, anda tidak perlu kepandaian dalam menganalisis
Forex, duduk diam dan lihat kebijaksanaan Robot ini bekerja.

sila lawat website : http://www.eracash.com

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TOPIC: Black Racism
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Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 4:54 pm
From: Ted

On Jan 18, 8:01 pm, Somebody <someb...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> I had a nasty experience with black racism today. This afternoon I went
> to the supermarket which was busier than usual and had more than the
> usual number of women standing around getting in everybody else¹s way
> while tending to the ear dildos shoved into the side of their heads and
> intentionally leaving their carts where they would block the aisles. You
> know, that cowardly old game where people try to interfere with others
> as a means of trying to convince themselves of a false sense of
> self-superiority. Well, I have encountered this phony attitude too many
> times in my life to be affected by it so I was just ignoring them and
> walking right around them without slowing down to give homage to
> such childishness. I was nearly done shopping when I headed down the
> detergent aisle to get some dish soap.
>
> Down on the far end of that aisle where I was going I spotted a black
> woman driving one of those humongous green SUV-like shopping carts with
> a large heavy plastic baby carriage sticking way out in front of it. She
> was stopped cold while standing there cootchy-cooing at her baby so I
> walked right on around her and started looking for my brand of dish soap
> just on the other side of this monster cart. Immediately she accused me
> of cutting her off (when she had not been going anywhere for the entire
> time I was walking down the length of that aisle) and then she demanded
> that I stop what I was doing and move out of her way. I simply turned to
> her and said, ³if you are going to plug up the aisle with that SUV you
> are driving then you should just go around me like I went around you².
> On hearing that she got really indignant then started ranting about
> ³you redneck racist son of a bitch². Then she drove on in her SUV and a
> few seconds later I muttered to myself, ³dumb bitch²! She was too far
> away to have heard me but I¹m sure that a couple of other women closer
> to me may have heard this. Notice that there was not anything that I
> said or implied to her involving race in any manner, but she herself was
> the one who injected race into the situation. It just so happens that I
> am not racist in any way, shape or form but experiences like this one
> certainly do make me wish that I were.
>
> Society has gone so far overboard in bowing down to kiss the black
> person¹s ass that these days anytime a white person fails to lie down
> and allow them to walk all over him, they immediately cry out with
> that ŒR¹ word a means of trying to get their way. Unless she is a really
> hardcore black racist, that woman would probably be mortally ashamed
> of herself to know that in school I chose to sit with the black guys who
> ³wanted to pick my brains² when I might have chosen to sit with other
> guys, or that in my work I took a young black woman under my wing
> teaching her as much as I possibly could, or that I did the same with a
> young black guy during my last years before retiring, or that all the
> lovers I had during those 20 years were of a nonwhite race who were far
> less privileged than black folks ever were and who were really treated
> poorly by the blacks. Black folks seem to believe that their shit truly
> does not stink and that they can get away with anything as long as they
> invoke that ŒR¹ word. However what they fail to realize is that the more
> toes they step on the fewer friends they will have in their endeavors
> and the farther they stray from MLK¹s own teachings while quoting
> his name as justification in the process. It is so hypocritical.
>
More info:

http://www.newnation.org/

New Nation News

ted

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TOPIC: Most Frugal and Practical Pickup Truck?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 5:28 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 19, 3:51 pm, "marc.brit...@gmail.com" <marc.brit...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 15, 2:06 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 2:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> > > > opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> > As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
> > that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
> > reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
> > criteria.
>
> Depends on where you are. Took me months to find a long bed (8')
> extend cab pickup in the price range I wanted. But I did finally
> score an F-150 for 4K. Runs great, minimal on features though.
>
> Around Chicago long beds seem to be next to extinct in the used
> market. Or where when I was looking. Of course the low price point
> did limit me.
>
> I've ran that pickup for 3 years now, and only had to change the fuel
> pump (I have a bad habit of letting the gas run real low which tends
> to lower fuel pump life). Has 215K miles on it, 100 of which I've put
> on.
>
> Its the 4.6L version so its not a great trailer puller, but does get
> about 22MPG on the highway without a heavy load.

Why does running low on fuel harm the fuel pump?

TMT

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 7:55 pm
From: wws

On Jan 19, 7:28 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 19, 3:51 pm, "marc.brit...@gmail.com" <marc.brit...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 15, 2:06 pm, James <jl...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 15, 2:25 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > I am considering getting my next pickup truck...what is in your
> > > > > opinion the best candidate for a frugal and practical pickup truck?
>
> > > As for the price competitiveness of domestic pickups, I am not sure on
> > > that. Try finding an used domestic pickup in good shape at a
> > > reasonable price...it takes years to find a good match with that
> > > criteria.
>
> > Depends on where you are. Took me months to find a long bed (8')
> > extend cab pickup in the price range I wanted. But I did finally
> > score an F-150 for 4K. Runs great, minimal on features though.
>
> > Around Chicago long beds seem to be next to extinct in the used
> > market. Or where when I was looking. Of course the low price point
> > did limit me.
>
> > I've ran that pickup for 3 years now, and only had to change the fuel
> > pump (I have a bad habit of letting the gas run real low which tends
> > to lower fuel pump life). Has 215K miles on it, 100 of which I've put
> > on.
>
> > Its the 4.6L version so its not a great trailer puller, but does get
> > about 22MPG on the highway without a heavy load.
>
> Why does running low on fuel harm the fuel pump?
>
> TMT

Perhaps, maybe, just could be,
Because they (electrical, fi type,) are vane type pumps; and rely on
fuel for lubrication and cooling?
A few seconds or a minute running dry causes some wear, but hot wiring
one and letting it run for a half hour dry will accelerate the damage.
Cheap plastic cr__.

OT: I just got a frugal truck. 1987 F150 Supercab Lariat XLT, 302
auto.
$495, wouldn't start.
Runs now. Tank selector leaks, needs tie rod ends. Touchup.

wws

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TOPIC: Soldering eyeglass Frames
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:21 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

I can reasonably solder electronics although I get an occasional cold
solder joint. I have this pair of glasses I didn't wear much which
cracked near the temple joint. (The temple cracked). The repair shops
ask too much, compared to what I paid for the glasses. I tried online
to find temples, to no luck. So I'm considering soldering it. My
uncle (a retired EE) told me it would never hold. Part of the problem
is it cracked very near the screw joint. and so would suffer a lot
more torque than if it was further back. Any tips?

- = -
Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.htm

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== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:43 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"

<vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com> wrote in message
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>I can reasonably solder electronics although I get an occasional cold
> solder joint. I have this pair of glasses I didn't wear much which
> cracked near the temple joint. (The temple cracked). The repair shops
> ask too much, compared to what I paid for the glasses. I tried online
> to find temples, to no luck. So I'm considering soldering it. My
> uncle (a retired EE) told me it would never hold. Part of the problem
> is it cracked very near the screw joint. and so would suffer a lot
> more torque than if it was further back. Any tips?

Yes, buy a new pair of glasses.

Will it hold? We can't tell you that not knowing what the material is that
you are soldering. It may be brass, titanium, zinc, or something else. If
they are junk now, you have nothing to lose so give it a try. Worse case
scenario is you get a new pair.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:55 pm
From: msg

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:

> I can reasonably solder electronics although I get an occasional cold
> solder joint. I have this pair of glasses I didn't wear much which
> cracked near the temple joint. (The temple cracked). The repair shops
> ask too much, compared to what I paid for the glasses. I tried online
> to find temples, to no luck. So I'm considering soldering it. My
> uncle (a retired EE) told me it would never hold. Part of the problem
> is it cracked very near the screw joint. and so would suffer a lot
> more torque than if it was further back. Any tips?

Consider brazing the joint; you may be able to find a hobbyist
minitorch that uses tiny propane and oxygen cylinders -- Radio Shack
used to sell these in the States.

FWIW, I have also made repairs on tiny objects using very low
currents with a wire-feed welder; build up the repair and grind
to final shape.

Michael

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 7:34 pm
From: Logan Shaw

vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
> I can reasonably solder electronics although I get an occasional cold
> solder joint. I have this pair of glasses I didn't wear much which
> cracked near the temple joint. (The temple cracked). The repair shops
> ask too much, compared to what I paid for the glasses. I tried online
> to find temples, to no luck. So I'm considering soldering it. My
> uncle (a retired EE) told me it would never hold. Part of the problem
> is it cracked very near the screw joint. and so would suffer a lot
> more torque than if it was further back. Any tips?

I tend to be skeptical that solder joints hold well. They're meant
to provide an electrical connection, not to be a structural component.
But then I also pretty well suck at soldering.

Since the glasses are fairly useless as is, why not try soldering
them and find out empirically how well it works?

- Logan

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 7:50 pm
From: "JoeSpareBedroom"

You could try a little JB Weld. It might look awful, but it might also work.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:03 pm
From: "John Beckman"

Lead and Tin will not work. I learned how to repair eyeglass frames from my
Dad working in his office. He was an "old school" Optometrist. Back in the
day when Jewelry stores had Optometrists. His office was one of the few
places that repaired broken frames. It requires gold solder and an acetylene
jewelers torch. Quick and easy if you have the tools. It will discolor the
finish some. If you attempt any other method, it will not work for long and
they will be rendered un-repairable. See if you can find a good Jewelers.

john

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> ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
> [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
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> Bimbos]
>

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:27 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

> Any tips?

Cannibalize dollar store readers for a replacement temple piece.

You can braze with propane or MAPP and air.

A soldered butt joint won't typically hold, but it may work if you
splint with a bit of steel or stainless wire there (any old guitar strings
around?). You can gammon with fine Nichrome wire sold for ignitors on
eBay.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:33 pm
From: "mc"

How about taking it to a jeweler who can use a harder, stronger kind of
solder and is familiar with metals other than the ones we ordinarily work
with?

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:02 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

mc wrote:
> How about taking it to a jeweler who can use a harder, stronger kind of
> solder and is familiar with metals other than the ones we ordinarily work
> with?

For the cost of hiring a jeweler to fix the frames, it's quite
likely he could buy a new set of glasses.

Anthony

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 9:11 pm
From: "Edwin Pawlowski"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4792d596$0$7173$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> mc wrote:
>> How about taking it to a jeweler who can use a harder, stronger kind of
>> solder and is familiar with metals other than the ones we ordinarily work
>> with?
>
> For the cost of hiring a jeweler to fix the frames, it's quite
> likely he could buy a new set of glasses.
>
> Anthony

Have you priced prescription glasses recently? I wear a progressive lens
with anti-glare coating and darkening lenses. Typical price is about $400.
$500 at one place I checked. Actual cost is probably $20 in material.

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TOPIC: Generic Lipitor any time soon?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 6:36 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <bsl1p358rikoocv61rtghl6r8juanu8hqv@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >What about Wal-Mart? I believe they offer Simvastatin for four bucks.
>
> Just looked online... Walmart only has lovastatin and
> pravastatin.... no simvastatin as of yet.

Ask your doctor if you can substitute one of those for the Zocor.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 7:31 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Rod Speed wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote
>
>>> The inconvenient truth is that unless serious changes are made to
>>> minimum wage and the supply of nearly free undocumented labor is dried up, the lower and middle class of citizens
>>> will get poorer
>
> Mindlessly silly with the middle class seeing historical record highs in home ownership.
>
>> Well, I won't comment on the undocumented labor, but about the
>> minimum wages, I just looked at an article about this on Wikipedia:
>
>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
>
>> It says that minimum wage decreased 29% in real terms from 1979 to 2003.
>
> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

Not that hard. The chart in the upper right hand corner of that page
shows the data. (If you click on it, you get the raw numbers.)

Basically, the idea is that you take the legislated minimum wage
and scale it by dividing by the Consumer Price Index.

Here are the two sources of data that are linked to by the wikipedia
page for that chart:

http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/chart.htm

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt

>> But the new(-ish) law increasing the minimum wage is going to ultimately increase it from $5.15 to $7.25.
>
>> I find those numbers interesting because a drop of 29% means
>> multiplying by 0.71. And increasing from $5.15 to $7.25 is a
>> 40.7% increase, which means multiplying by 1.407. If you
>> multiply those two numbers together, you get a curious
>> number: 0.999. So basically you get almost exactly 1.

> Yep, the claim is stupid and pig ignorant.

I was saying the opposite: that the legislators may very well have
arrived at the number $7.25/hr by looking at the CPI and choosing a
dollar amount that would put the minimum wage back to where it was
at some point in the past, in real terms (as defined by the CPI).

- Logan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Jan 19 2008 8:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote
>>> hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote

>>>> The inconvenient truth is that unless serious changes are made to
>>>> minimum wage and the supply of nearly free undocumented labor is
>>>> dried up, the lower and middle class of citizens will get poorer

>> Mindlessly silly with the middle class seeing historical record highs in home ownership.

>>> Well, I won't comment on the undocumented labor, but about the
>>> minimum wages, I just looked at an article about this on Wikipedia:

>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States

>>> It says that minimum wage decreased 29% in real terms from 1979 to 2003.

>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that claim.

> Not that hard.

We'll see...

> The chart in the upper right hand corner of that page shows the data. (If you click on it, you get the raw numbers.)

The problem is that purported inflation data isnt what
those on the minimum wage spend their money on.

> Basically, the idea is that you take the legislated minimum wage and scale it by dividing by the Consumer Price Index.

And the CPI isnt what those on the minimum wage spend their money on.

> Here are the two sources of data that are linked to by the wikipedia page for that chart:

http://www.dol.gov/esa/minwage/chart.htm
>

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt

Still not what those on the minimum wage spend their money on.

>>> But the new(-ish) law increasing the minimum wage is going to ultimately increase it from $5.15 to $7.25.

>>> I find those numbers interesting because a drop of 29% means
>>> multiplying by 0.71. And increasing from $5.15 to $7.25 is a
>>> 40.7% increase, which means multiplying by 1.407. If you
>>> multiply those two numbers together, you get a curious
>>> number: 0.999. So basically you get almost exactly 1.

>> Yep, the claim is stupid and pig ignorant.

> I was saying the opposite:

No you werent. You were saying that his claim that the
lower class of citizens will get poorer is just plain wrong.

> that the legislators may very well have arrived at the number $7.25/hr by looking at the CPI and choosing a dollar
> amount that would put the minimum wage back to where it was at some point in the past, in real terms (as defined by
> the CPI).

Yes, and that means that the original claim that lower
class of citizens will get poorer is just plain wrong.

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