Frugal Living: Dec 6, 2007

Thursday, December 6, 2007

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Renting VS Buying Homes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/37be5c6af5aee907?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 3:51 pm
From: clams casino

Dennis wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:49 -0500, clams casino
><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Suppose I own a condo, but do not quite have enough deductions to exceed
>>the standard deduction. I'm paying the full price of interest,
>>property taxes & maintenance.
>>
>>
>
>No. Your standard deduction includes an allowance for common
>expenses, such as mortgage interest and property taxes. How much is
>determined by the IRS.
>
>
>

OK - I'll try to simplify it for you.- If I have $10k in deductions,
in 2007, I can deduct $10,700 (std deduction). If I have $1k
deductions, I still get $10,700 in deductions. If I have $12,000 in
deductions, I only gain $1300 in deductions vs. having $1k.

For the record, the IRS does not determine your deductions. You must
do that.

>>Second example - I rent from Joe. He has three condos & thus has more
>>than enough to itemize, realizing a good 35% discount on interest,
>>property taxes & maintenance. Granted Joe will have to pay 35% taxes on
>>his gain, but his net cost will still be lower than mine. Meanwhile,
>>I'm enjoying a full standard deduction.
>>
>>
>
>And paying your portion of Joe's interest, property taxes and
>maintenance through your rent.
>
>
>

What is that suppose to mean? Are there cookies in the library?
How does my indirectly paying a portion of taxes, interest and
maintenance have anything to do with his net costs being lower than mine?

Hint - the interest, property taxes & maintenance will be paid in full
by both of us. The difference is that he will get a subsidy to lower
his costs where the difference is profit for the landlord. at the
expense of other tax payers.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 4:31 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:51:16 -0500, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>Dennis wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:49 -0500, clams casino
>><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Suppose I own a condo, but do not quite have enough deductions to exceed
>>>the standard deduction. I'm paying the full price of interest,
>>>property taxes & maintenance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>No. Your standard deduction includes an allowance for common
>>expenses, such as mortgage interest and property taxes. How much is
>>determined by the IRS.
>>
>>
>>
>
>OK - I'll try to simplify it for you.- If I have $10k in deductions,
>in 2007, I can deduct $10,700 (std deduction). If I have $1k
>deductions, I still get $10,700 in deductions. If I have $12,000 in
>deductions, I only gain $1300 in deductions vs. having $1k.

Sure, the IRS has simplified the process for piddling amounts. So the
little guy with $1K gets a slightly better deal than the guy with
$10K. Mice nuts in the grand scheme of things (from the IRS' point of
view).

>For the record, the IRS does not determine your deductions. You must
>do that.

The IRS determines what the standard deduction is. Many factors go
into it's determination.

>
>>>Second example - I rent from Joe. He has three condos & thus has more
>>>than enough to itemize, realizing a good 35% discount on interest,
>>>property taxes & maintenance. Granted Joe will have to pay 35% taxes on
>>>his gain, but his net cost will still be lower than mine. Meanwhile,
>>>I'm enjoying a full standard deduction.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>And paying your portion of Joe's interest, property taxes and
>>maintenance through your rent.
>>
>>
>>
>
>What is that suppose to mean? Are there cookies in the library?
>How does my indirectly paying a portion of taxes, interest and
>maintenance have anything to do with his net costs being lower than mine?
>
>Hint - the interest, property taxes & maintenance will be paid in full
>by both of us. The difference is that he will get a subsidy to lower
>his costs where the difference is profit for the landlord. at the
>expense of other tax payers.

Hint -- you are living on the property and thus gaining direct benefit
from whatever you pay. To Joe it is a business, so he gets to
subtract his expenses, just like any other business.

Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.

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TOPIC: Reverse Hiring Bonus: Legal?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/01bee59f170fec8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 3:43 pm
From: George Grapman

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:srhi-A0D856.21531405122007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> In article <t2z5j.6197$3W.3606@trndny04>,
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:srhi-4B6395.22011404122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>> In article
>>> snip
>>>
>>>> I understand that you are desparate for a job, but I doubt this idea
>>>> would pan out. Hiring someone is a major commitment. I seriously doubt
>>>> $300 would make all that big a difference to a company who could afford
>>>> to hire you. What might be better is to offer to work for free for a
>>>> week at a place where they might be tempted to hire you, but aren't
>>>> ready to make the commitment. Another option to consider is to move to
>>>> an area where jobs are available.
>>> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even
>>> voluntarily,
>>> at a regular type company.
>> Why? If we are referring to the United States, its a free country. If
>
> if you're happy and you know it, clank your chains.
>
>> you are willing to work for free, I don't know of any area where that
>> would be illegal. If you do have an example where volunteering to work
>> is illegal, please provide the details.
>
> i'd think state and federal minimum wage laws would apply unless it's a
> non-profit. call up your state people and ask.
>
>
Imagine the potential abuse if this were not the case. A company
could tell Mr.A that he can have a job if Mrs.A agrees to perform as a
volunteer.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 4:22 pm
From: "Don K"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:AO%5j.5952$4q5.1255@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:srhi-A0D856.21531405122007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>>> In article <t2z5j.6197$3W.3606@trndny04>,
>>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:srhi-4B6395.22011404122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>>>>> In article
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>>> I understand that you are desparate for a job, but I doubt this idea
>>>>> would pan out. Hiring someone is a major commitment. I seriously doubt
>>>>> $300 would make all that big a difference to a company who could afford
>>>>> to hire you. What might be better is to offer to work for free for a
>>>>> week at a place where they might be tempted to hire you, but aren't
>>>>> ready to make the commitment. Another option to consider is to move to
>>>>> an area where jobs are available.
>>>> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even voluntarily,
>>>> at a regular type company.
>>> Why? If we are referring to the United States, its a free country. If
>>
>> if you're happy and you know it, clank your chains.
>>
>>> you are willing to work for free, I don't know of any area where that
>>> would be illegal. If you do have an example where volunteering to work
>>> is illegal, please provide the details.
>>
>> i'd think state and federal minimum wage laws would apply unless it's a non-profit.
>> call up your state people and ask.

Ok, here's a credible reference that says it would not illegal to agree
to work for free. It does, however, say that the worker cannot give
up the right to claim the minimum wage, but he does not have to
claim it if he doesn't want to.

"You have the right to be paid minimum wage for every hour you work,
even if you tell your employer that you will work for less (or even nothing).
In other words, you cannot give up ("waive") your right to minimum wage
no matter what you say or do. If you agreed to perform work for less,
you still can file a claim to recover up to minimum wage. "

http://www.las-elc.org/MinimumWage.pdf

So if the new guy doesn't work out, the employer does run a risk that
he would go back on his word, and file for minimum wage
compensation anyway.

Personally I think it would be a good bet that the applicant would live
up to his word and not file.

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 8:25 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <4SJ5j.29023$lD6.27995@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Shawn Hirn wrote:
> > In article <RQF5j.30598$Pv2.25553@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
> > George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >
> >> pepita@prodigy.net wrote:
> >>> On Dec 5, 10:00 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even
> >>>> voluntarily,
> >>>> at a regular type company.
> >>> Sure there is, it is called an Internship.
> >>
> >> And,by law, an intern can not be performing work that would normally
> >> be done by a paid employee.In addition the work must be of educational
> >> value to the intern.
> >
> > Please cite that law.
>
>
>
> http://career.uhh.hawaii.edu/DOLUnpaidInternshipGuidelines.php
>
>
>
>
> Pursuant to this law, the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) has developed
> six criteria for differentiating between an employee entitled to minimum
> wage or above and a learner/trainee who may be unpaid. The criteria for
> learner/trainee are:
>
> 1. The training, even though it includes actual operations of the
> facilities of the employers, is similar to that which would be given in
> a vocational school.
> 2. The training is for the benefit of the student.
> 3. The student does not displace a regular employee, but works under
> the close observation of a regular employee or supervisor.
> 4. The employer provides the training and derives no immediate
> advantage from the activities of the student; and on occasion, the
> operations may actually be impeded by the training.
> 5. The student is not necessarily entitled to a job at the
> conclusion of the training period.
> 6. The employer and the student understand that the student is not
> entitled to wages for the time spent training.

So where's the conflict here? The OP could simply offer his services as
a trainee with a condition that fits options 5 and 6, then if the
employer and the OP hit it off, the employer has the option of hiring
the OP and perhaps paying back pay for the time already worked.

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TOPIC: Coinstar Warning
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 5:26 pm
From: krw

In article <jdqdnVlZdoqo38XanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>
> "krw" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
> news:MPG.21ba6a2d230bf3f98aae4@news.individual.net...
> > In article <726600a4-9c67-474e-a601-94f3d6bd58e0
> > @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, gwehrenb@bellsouth.net says...
> >> On Nov 26, 11:21 am, je...@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) wrote:
> >>
> >> > I no longer have any coins in the car's coin tray
> >> > since nearly all toll roads in NY/NJ/CT/PA/MD/VA
> >> > take E-Z Pass, but I use coins (particularly dollar coins)
> >> > when buying train tickets from the vending machines
> >> > and I need quarters for the laundromat.
> >>
> >> We keep about 15 dollars in silver in the car for parking meters in
> >> cities we're visiting, laundry while on trips, and the occasional
> >> toll my EZpass doesn't handle.
> >>
> > Better make sure it's not in sight. Windows cost a *lot* more than
> > $15, particularly the side ones.
>
> Isn't that why they put those nice little trays/drawers into the dashboard?

Which little trays/drawers? Some have change holders on the console,
in plain view.

--
Keith

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:19 pm
From: aemeijers

krw wrote:
> In article <jdqdnVlZdoqo38XanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> bobnospam@gmail.com says...
>> "krw" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21ba6a2d230bf3f98aae4@news.individual.net...
>>> In article <726600a4-9c67-474e-a601-94f3d6bd58e0
>>> @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, gwehrenb@bellsouth.net says...
>>>> On Nov 26, 11:21 am, je...@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I no longer have any coins in the car's coin tray
>>>>> since nearly all toll roads in NY/NJ/CT/PA/MD/VA
>>>>> take E-Z Pass, but I use coins (particularly dollar coins)
>>>>> when buying train tickets from the vending machines
>>>>> and I need quarters for the laundromat.
>>>> We keep about 15 dollars in silver in the car for parking meters in
>>>> cities we're visiting, laundry while on trips, and the occasional
>>>> toll my EZpass doesn't handle.
>>>>
>>> Better make sure it's not in sight. Windows cost a *lot* more than
>>> $15, particularly the side ones.
>> Isn't that why they put those nice little trays/drawers into the dashboard?
>
> Which little trays/drawers? Some have change holders on the console,
> in plain view.
>
My 99 Honda has a cute little change drawer above driver's left knee.
Didn't notice till I'd had the car for a year. Can't say I've ever
actually used it.

(Gets curious and goes and looks...)

Nope, there is a pack of fuses in there. Not sure why I would have done
that- car has never blown any that I recall. Maybe from when I added the
second power point or something.

aem sends...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:37 pm
From: "pepita@prodigy.net"

On Dec 2, 12:26 am, Bill <billru...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
> > The Coinstar machines here have NEVER not charged a fee.
>
> Real Coinstar machines that do not charge a fee when just
> converting coins to bills? I've never heard of that. How do they
> make their money?
>
> Bill

The one at my local grocery store has gift certificate options, with
no fee for counting the coins. You can get a gift certificate for
Amazon.com, Itunes or JCPenney, and perhaps other places as well.
Last time I looked at the coinstar website (www.coinstar.com) there
was a list of which machines offer this option (not all do).

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TOPIC: Happy Saint Nick's Day, everyone! (Dec. 6)
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:19 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

I had so many things going on today that I almost forgot to get on here
and wish everyone a Happy St. Nick's Day! For those who don't know, St.
Nicholas was a historic character who helped people in need. Santa Claus
was loosely based on him. My wife and I don't revere him or anything, we
just think of him as a nice guy who helped people.

My kids just got finished unwrapping their presents, candy and everything,
so now we have the commercial aspects of the season over with.

This is the way many cultures used to do it, (including the United States)
until commercial interests realized they could sell more if the "shopping
season" was extended from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Now it seems to
overshadow the entire original meaning of Christmas. I got sick of it, did
some research, and we decided to go back to having December 6 for gift
giving, just as our ancestors probably did. This way, St. Nick (Santa) has
his day on December 6, and Jesus has his 2 and a half weeks later, on the
25th.

My wife says that St. Nicholas came to her work place today, dressed in
traditional garb. Turns out that one of her co-workers is from Eastern
Europe, where they still exchange gifts on St. Nick's Day. One of her
friends dressed up and came in to visit, and evidently it made her day.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:20 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

My kids just got finished unwrapping their presents, candy and everything,
so now we have the commercial aspects of the season over with.

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TOPIC: Living without a credit card
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Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:45 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Neil Jones" <castellan2004-atnews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_aWdnVQwb7GKM8_anZ2dnUVZ_gqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Hello,
>
> I have problem with credit cards. I flash them for gas, sometimes for
> lunch, groceries etc. They are the small ticket items but are
> accumulating on my balance. Now that I have accepted that I have a
> problem, I want to really wean out of this reliance on credit card.
> Please share with me if anyone in this forum had this problem and have
> successfully detached from the credit card. The balance is really
> stressing me out.
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>
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TOPIC: Only 30k miles from tires?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:52 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:474fc05e$0$8678$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Gordon wrote:
> > A trick to extending tire life on a front wheel drive car
> > is to not rotate the tires. On a front wheel drive car
> > the front tires take most of the wear. Go ahead and let
> > them wear. Then replace them. But keep the rear tires.
>
> I don't get how this extends the life of the tire. What you
> save in wear on the back, you'll lose in wear on the front.
>
> Also, the point of rotating tires is not just to make sure
> one tire gets as much wear as another tire; it's also to
> make sure that the entire surface of each tire gets worn
> as evenly as possible. Tires on the front may get more wear
> in one spot than tires on the back, and tires on the back
> may get more wear in some other spot than tires on the front.
> Rotating the tires ensures that each tire experiences a
> variety of wear patterns and hopefully wears more evenly.
>
> - Logan
eh....the last time I rotated tires on a car was 37 years ago.........

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TOPIC: What's the difference?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 6:59 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:474fa2a2$0$26032$b9f67a60@news.newsdemon.com...
> Can anyone tell what the difference is between being frugal and being
cheap?
Sure........
frugal= the poor
cheap= the wealthy

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Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 8:04 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

A Veteran wrote:
> Sand dune sedge a native plant.
> Proven durable in texas , colorado and calif.
> tolerates various soil conditions .
> requires less water than a turf grass lawn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeriscaping
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 9:28 pm
From: A Veteran

In article <4758c5d2$0$2551$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:

> A Veteran wrote:
> > Sand dune sedge a native plant.
> > Proven durable in texas , colorado and calif.
> > tolerates various soil conditions .
> > requires less water than a turf grass lawn.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeriscaping
> : Xeriscaping refers to landscaping in ways that do not require
> : supplemental irrigation.
>
> I've seen a lot of rock gardens in place of lawns in Texas
> and some folks who just gave up completely and paved their
> lawns over with concrete.
>
> Anthony

a garden is best. sell the lawn mower,

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 10:39 am
From: Dennis

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:56:02 -0600, Logan Shaw
<lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>On a bit of a tangent, I donated some money to the ACLU last year[1]

<snip>

>[1] because I liked the Bill of Rights, and I think it would be nice if
> we could have it back someday...

If you like the whole Bill of Rights, you might consider supporting
more than just the ACLU -- they're not too keen on item #2 and they
really only pay lip service to #10. ;-)

Dennis (evil)
--
An inherent weakness of a pure democracy is that half
the voters are below average intelligence.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 10:40 am
From: "Bob F"

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote in message
news:MPG.21ba6a2d230bf3f98aae4@news.individual.net...
> In article <726600a4-9c67-474e-a601-94f3d6bd58e0
> @d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, gwehrenb@bellsouth.net says...
>> On Nov 26, 11:21 am, je...@panix.com (Jeff Jonas) wrote:
>>
>> > I no longer have any coins in the car's coin tray
>> > since nearly all toll roads in NY/NJ/CT/PA/MD/VA
>> > take E-Z Pass, but I use coins (particularly dollar coins)
>> > when buying train tickets from the vending machines
>> > and I need quarters for the laundromat.
>>
>> We keep about 15 dollars in silver in the car for parking meters in
>> cities we're visiting, laundry while on trips, and the occasional
>> toll my EZpass doesn't handle.
>>
> Better make sure it's not in sight. Windows cost a *lot* more than
> $15, particularly the side ones.

Isn't that why they put those nice little trays/drawers into the dashboard?

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 10:41 am
From: "Don K"

"James" <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:e539d84b-d5c4-4649-a22c-2e59f6f770e2@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 6, 1:05 pm, h050752...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> My husband went to the dentist yesterday years ago he broke his upper
>> front tooth he had a root canal done and a rod put in he went to the
>> dentist in july because he broke the cap on the tooth he went back
>> because he was having problems with the tooth here the dentist took
>> out all the cill from the old root canal and left it hollow just the
>> rod up in and recapped it now he has a bad infection in that and the
>> dentiat said it would be fine and the infection will hell he stoped
>> in at his old dentist office to seek another opion and the said they
>> have to redue the whole procdure all over again its gonna be very
>> costly due we have rights to sue this dentist that caused all the
>> damage
>
> I know its a frugal group, but they don't charge for commas, periods,
> or capital letters.
>
> James

I think maybe the yahooer is just a fast-talker who can say all that
without pausing to take a breath. If so, it would never occur to
her to artificially insert punctuation.

Try re-reading it with that thought in mind, to fully appreciate the
image conjured up.

Don

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:55 am
From: Zuke

On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, h050752005@yahoo.com wrote:

> My husband went to the dentist yesterday years ago he broke his upper
> front tooth he had a root canal done and a rod put in he went to the
> dentist in july because he broke the cap on the tooth he went back
> because he was having problems with the tooth here the dentist took
> out all the cill from the old root canal and left it hollow just the
> rod up in and recapped it now he has a bad infection in that and the
> dentiat said it would be fine and the infection will hell he stoped
> in at his old dentist office to seek another opion and the said they
> have to redue the whole procdure all over again its gonna be very
> costly due we have rights to sue this dentist that caused all the
> damage

Yes you can sue. This looks like one of those spam emails where
are just a bunch of random phrases put together. What is "the cill
from the old root canal". The dentist is right, the infection will
stop. The patient might be dead but the infection will stop.

There are some bad dentists out there no doubt but maybe your
story isn't exactly straight either. I was once on a jury that
awarded about 20k for bad dental work.

I know I got mad the first time my dentist told me they'd have to
redo a root canal. I thought that meant the tooth was dead but
it's happened to my wife as well.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:05 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

h050752005@yahoo.com wrote:
> My husband went to the dentist ...
> ... old dentist office to seek another opion and the said they
> have to redue the whole procdure all over again its gonna be very
> costly due we have rights to sue this dentist that caused all the
> damage

Yes, you have rights. You can sue anyone for anything, even if
they didn't do anything wrong. You will need a lawyer.

Anthony

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:14 pm
From: clams casino

Anthony Matonak wrote:

> h050752005@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> My husband went to the dentist ...
>> ... old dentist office to seek another opion and the said they
>> have to redue the whole procdure all over again its gonna be very
>> costly due we have rights to sue this dentist that caused all the
>> damage
>
>
> Yes, you have rights. You can sue anyone for anything, even if
> they didn't do anything wrong. You will need a lawyer.
>
> Anthony

I'd sue for $67M plus a new pair of pants.

I understand there may be an unemployed judge/lawyer in the DC area
looking for such cases.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:42 pm
From: val189

On Dec 6, 1:05 pm, h050752...@yahoo.com wrote:
> My husband went to the dentist yesterday years ago he broke his upper
> front tooth he had a root canal done and a rod put in he went to the
> dentist in july because he broke the cap on the tooth he went back
> because he was having problems with the tooth here the dentist took
> out all the cill from the old root canal and left it hollow just the
> rod up in and recapped it now he has a bad infection in that and the
> dentiat said it would be fine and the infection will hell he stoped
> in at his old dentist office to seek another opion and the said they
> have to redue the whole procdure all over again its gonna be very
> costly due we have rights to sue this dentist that caused all the
> damage

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:07 am
From: Milenko Kindl

WASHINGTON - President Bush announced on Thursday a plan to freeze
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:15 am
From: greg3347

On Dec 4, 5:45 pm, "Roy Roger" <rro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Real Cost of US Support for Israel:
> $3 billion every year, total: $3 Trillion
>
> Support for Israel has cost America dearly - well over than $10,000 per
> American. However the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been extremely costly
> for the entire world. According to Stauffer, the total bill for supporting
> Israel is two to four times higher than that for the U.S. alone - costing
> the global community an estimated $6 to $12 trillion.
>
> By Christopher Bollyn
>
> June 25, 2003
>
> In order to keep the parasitic state of Israel financially alive,
> bankrupt America is forced to invade other countries like a robber baron,
> taking their riches and cashing them in for Israel.
>
> "Amerika put the lives of its sol-diers on the line when waging
> war against Iraq. This war was to secure the future of Israel."
>
> Helmut Kohl, Ex-German Chancellor, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung
> June 14, 2003, p. 8
>
> While it is commonly reported that Israel officially receives some $3
> billion every year in the form of economic aid from the U.S. government,
> this figure is just the tip of the iceberg. There are many billions of
> dollars more in hidden costs and economic losses lurking beneath the
> surface. A recently published economic analysis has concluded that U.S.
> support for the state of Israel has cost American taxpayers nearly $3
> trillion ($3 million millions) in 2002 dollars.
>
> "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3
> Trillion" is a summary of economic research done by Thomas R. Stauffer.
> Stauffer's summary of the research was published in the June 2003 issue of
> The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
>
> Stauffer is a Washington, D.C.-based engineer and economist who writes
> and teaches about the economics of energy and the Middle East. Stauffer has
> taught at Harvard University and Georgetown University's School of Foreign
> Service. Stauffer's findings were first presented at an October 2002
> conference sponsored by the U.S. Army College and the University of Maine.
>
> Stauffer's analysis is "an estimate of the total cost to the U.S. alone
> of instability and conflict in the region - which emanates from the core
> Israeli-Palestinian conflict."
>
> "Total identifiable costs come to almost $3 trillion," Stauffer says.
> "About 60 percent, well over half, of those costs - about $1.7 trillion -
> arose from the U.S. defense of Israel, where most of that amount has been
> incurred since 1973."
>
> "Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade
> advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In
> addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000
> American jobs each year." The trade-aid imbalance alone with Israel of
> between $6-10 billion costs about 125,000 American! jobs every year,
> Stauffer says.
>
> The largest single element in the costs has been the series of
> oil-supply crises that have accompanied the Israeli-Arab wars and the
> construction of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. "To date these have cost
> the U.S. $1.5 trillion (2002 dollars), excluding the additional costs
> incurred since 2001," Stauffer wrote.
>
> The cost of supporting Israel increased drastically after the 1973
> Israeli-Arab war. U.S. support for Israel during that war resulted in
> additional costs for the American taxpayer of between $750 billion and $1
> trillion, Stauffer says.
>
> When Israel was losing the war, President Richard Nixon stepped in to
> supply the Jewish state with U.S. weapons. Nixon's intervention triggered
> the Arab oil embargo which Stauffer estimates cost the U.S. as much as $600
> billion in lost GDP and another $450 in higher oil import costs.
>
> "The 1973 oil crisis, all in all, cost the U.S. economy no less than
> $900 billion, and probably as much as $1,200 billion," he says.
>
> As a result of the oil embargo the United States created the Strategic
> Petroleum Reserve (SPR) to "insulate Israel and the U.S. against the
> wielding of a future Arab 'oil weapon'." The billion-barrel SPR has cost
> U.S. taxpayers $134 billion to date. According to an Oil Supply Guarantee,
> which former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger provided Israel in 1975,
> Israel gets "first call" on any oil available to the U.S. if Israel's oil
> supply is stopped.
>
> Stauffer's $3 trillion figure is conservative as it does not include the
> increased costs incurred during the year-long buildup to the recent war
> against Iraq in which Israel played a significant, albeit covert, role. The
> higher oil prices that occurred as a result of the Anglo-American campaign
> against Iraq were absorbed by the consumers. The increase in oil prices
> provided a huge bonus for the leading oil companies such as British
> Petroleum and Shell, who are major oil! producers as well as retailers. The
> major international oil companies recorded record profits for the first
> quarter of 2003.
>
> The Washington Report seeks to "provide the American public with
> balanced and accurate information concerning U.S. relations with Middle
> Eastern states." The monthly journal is known for keeping close tabs on the
> amount of U.S. taxpayer money that goes to Israel and how much pro-Israel
> money flows back to Members of Congress in the form of campaign aid.
>
> The journal's website,www.wrmea.com, has an up-to-date counter at the
> top that indicates how much official aid flows to Israel. While the counter
> currently stands at $88.2 billion, it only reflects the minimum, as it does
> not include the many hidden costs.
>
> "The distinction is important, because the indirect or consequential
> losses suffered by the U.S. as a result of its blind support for Israel
> exceed by many times the substantial amount of direct aid to Israel," Shirl
> McArthur wrote in the May 2003 issue of Washington Report.
>
> McArthur's article, "A Conservative Tally of Total Direct U.S. Aid to
> Israel: $97.5 Billion - and Counting" tallies the hidden costs, such as
> interest lost due to the early disbursement of aid to Israel and funds
> hidden in other accounts. For example, Israel received $5.45 billion in
> Defense Department funding of Israeli weapons projects through 2002,
> McArthur says.
>
> Loans made to Israel by the U.S. government, like the recently awarded
> $9 billion, invariably wind up being paid by the American taxpayer. A recent
> Congressional Research Service report indicates that Israel has received $42
> billion in waived loans. "Therefore, it is reasonable to consider all
> government loans to Israel the same as grants," McArthur says.
>
> Support for Israel has cost America dearly - well over than $10,000 per
> American. However the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been extremely costly
> for the entire world. According to Stauffer, the total bill for supporting
> Israel is two to four times higher than that for the U.S. alone - costing
> the global community an estimated $6 to $12 trillion.
>
> "The war was all about oil, for the US and Israel"
> By pumping Iraq's oil to Israel the Jewish state might become an
> oil-exporting country
>
> Plans to build a pipeline to siphon oil from newly conquered Iraq to
> Israel are being discussed between Washington, Tel Aviv and potential future
> government figures in Baghdad. ... Cutting out Syria and solving Israel's
> energy crisis at a stroke. ...
> US intelligence sources confirmed to The Observer that the project has
> been discussed. One former senior CIA official said: 'It has long been a
> dream of a powerful section of the people now driving this administration
> [of President George W. Bush] and the war in Iraq to safeguard Israel's
> energy supply as well as that of the United States. 'The Haifa pipeline was
> something that existed, was resurrected as a dream and is now a viable
> project - albeit with a lot of building to do.' ...
>
> James Akins, a former US ambassador to the region and one of America's
> leading Arabists, said:'After all, this is a new world order now. This is
> what things look like particularly if we wipe out Syria. It just goes to
> show that it is all about oil, for the United States and its ally [Israel].'
> ...
>
> Akins was ambassador to Saudi Arabia before he was fired after a
> series of conflicts with then Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, father of
> the vision to pipe oil west from Iraq. In 1975, Kissinger signed what forms
> the basis for the Haifa project: a Memorandum of Understanding whereby the
> US would guarantee Israel's oil reserves and energy supply in times of
> crisis.
>
> Kissinger was also master of the American plan in the mid-Eighties -
> when Saddam Hussein was a key US ally - to run an oil pipeline from Iraq to
> Aqaba in Jordan, opposite the Israeli port of Eilat.
>
> The plan was promoted by the now Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld,
> and the pipeline was to be built by the Bechtel company, which the Bush
> administration last week awarded a multi-billion dollar contract for the
> reconstruction of Iraq. The memorandum has been quietly renewed every five
> years, with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic
> oil reserve for Israel even if it entailed domestic shortages - at a cost of
> $3 billion (£1.9bn) in 2002 to US taxpayers.
>
> The Observer, London, Sunday April 20, 2003
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And the chumps keep paying!

greg

http://www.halturnershow.com/

Hal Turner Show

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TOPIC: Canned Mackerel
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f049abff31c44b3a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> How odd that there are almost no chinese involved in
>> our mining industry, which just happens to produce a
>> positive balance of trade in OUR favour with both china
and japan, something neither canada or america can manage.

> You probably don't realise it.

Nothing to 'realise', this claim of yours is a bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> Australian mines were in the doldrums and losing
> money until the China demand boosted their fortunes.

Pig ignorant lie. We had a massive trade balance in our favor
with Japan and its the mining exports that produced that.

The immense exports of iron ore, coal, aluminium, natural gas,
etc etc etc were going mostly to Japan and still mostly do.

> The Chinese market is the whole reason for Australia's prosperity.

Pig ignorant lie. And we were actually discussing where chinese coming out of
university end up employment wise, not how the world trade system works anyway.

> A shift of extractive resources production to, say Russia or Africa,

Taint gunna happen with iron ore, coal, natural gas, uranium, copper etc etc etc.

> and you'll be scraping the hardscrabble.

Another pig ignorant lie.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have never ever had a clue
about the basics of what mining is about or who works in those industrys here either.

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TOPIC: We Want Illegal Aliens Out of NY Out of USA!!!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/96493c5f219e2cd7?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:50 am
From: Louie

On Nov 16, 3:35 pm, art777 <Arthur1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Luis and his company

My name is Arthur Zilberman and im the husband of the broken Lena
family. Looks like you have some time on your hands, since you been
very consistent in posting these messages.

Use the time you spend on these posts, to learn how to spell. BY
spelling this way, people (viewers) will not take your posts
seriously. SO, do something better with your life. Get a girlfriend
or get a life.

Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
BUT LIES, produced by my ex-wife or her "Caring" friends.

IM 33 years old, have a business (employing 5 people), and 2 college
degrees. Do you really thing a 22 year old girl, can mislead me and
lure me into a marriage. Everything I do, I do myself with clear mind
and conscience. I never loved my wife and was cheating on her way
before I meat Uliana. I was looking for a reason to get out of
marriage for the past 4 years, since the marriage was not a happy one
to begin with. Better yet, the only reason I got married, is because
my ex wife got pregnant.

So if you think Uliana broke the family, you are wrong. I BROKE the
family. Not a silly 22 year old girl. She was just an excuse for me to
leave. Why are u passing judgments, on someone u don't even know, or
you know only the half of the story or seen only one side of the
medal.

Don't be a coward, and if you u want to discuss this like a man, call
me 2129204833. Don't pass judgments on someone u don't know. U not a
man of god, as u claim. U cause pain and destruction. Stop your posts.

.................

Oye!!! every body need to read this.

> Use the time you spend on these posts, to learn how to spell. BY
> spelling this way, people (viewers) will not take your posts
> seriously. SO, do something better with your life. Get a girlfriend
> or get a life.

Stupid guy he make worry for Louie no body can take him seriously. No
body can believe this haha!!! I have very good wife & may be 1 to 2
hour every day help make deport to illegals. I stay in so many
internet group they are helping allso. Every body need have time for
this. Some time I improve to my writing no body can make improve to
truth. Truth is truth.

I have no intent to speak with stupid guy who brake marriage to live
with Illegal Uliana. Si, he brake marriage illegal stripper push him
for doing this.This guy is liar and try to fool to every body. Loose
marriage now all he have is illegal stripper. I am sorry for this guy.

> Better yet, the only reason I got married, is because
> my ex wife got pregnant.

Haha. He has marriage for more than 5 year. He have 4 year old son. I
want make say I knows to this guy. I sees to stupid guy & illegal
stripper allways. He make lie every body know to what is truth.

He is stupid guy think I am special friend of Lena. I am friend to
every family!!! Enemigo to every Illegal!!!! Judger of every body
specially self. Louie is rigteous guy who know right from wrong. I see
fact make judge of all thing & come out correct.

Arthur he cannot change truth that Uliana is illegal stripper!!! He
cannot change truth that she make sex with every taxi driver near to
where she live they give her $$$$. Sorry for yo stupd guy this make
she is hooker allso. May be he doesnt know to this. Stupid guy is more
stupid!!!

> Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
> are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
> BUT LIES,

Totalmente this is mentira. Uliana she only come to USA less than 2
year. She come mayo 2006. He only want to fix every body know to her
now. He cannot fix this!!! ICE & Homeland Security they knows to her
they look at all facts.What can he say when they call for Illegal
Uliana to make appear?

She write on internet exact plan to brake visa. She is in USA ILLEGAL
& she make INTENT TO COME HERE ILLEGAL. This is criminal acting. She
make try to find some American guy she stay witl when she come here
illegal. This is bad acting. She write all this on internet. Sje send
email. STupid Uliana allso. This is stupid guy he make all lies for
psycho stripper he make trouble for self & business & little boy.

> IM 33 years old, have a business (employing 5 people), and 2 college
> degrees. Do you really thing a 22 year old girl, can mislead me and
> lure me into a marriage.

He has no clear thinking les aseguro. He try and fix all thing for
illegal stripper and so many say she look like she have more than 30
years! She is liar in every thing.

He have no info about psycho people. So many people liek this!!! They
make fool to every body they have no sould feel for no body. Fool to
so many people more clever than this stupid guy. Every body need to
know this & pyschos can do no more harm to people.

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/antisocialpd.htm

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist-Revised_%28PCL-R%29

Illegal Uliana he cannot fix to what she is & what she do. He cannot
change fact. He make big mistake go with her & help to her. He make
threaten for he self & family & business allso!!!

No body can forget allso he allow to Ilegal stripper make threaten
blackmail on wife Lena.

> U cause pain and destruction. Stop your posts.

Illegal stripper she start all things. Make pain on her self for brake
US law & do harm to others. She is no afraid for any thing. Every body
need to read abot psycho & they see!!!

> I never loved my wife and was cheating on her

Yo have no love for wife yo find new good one. Better yo throw away
illegal stripper she have no interest yo are father to little boy. Yo
needs for to give to him more time. Yo needs to protect him from
illegal stripper. No body knows may be what she do with child she have
no responsible feeling. Any body they have little child needs for
think of child PRIMERO. Needs to thik more than he like to make sex
with Illegal stripper make all day party.

A todos modos ICE throws her out of USA soon & yo need for find new
women, amigo.

> before I meat Uliana.

Hahaha!!! This guy he make insult on my English & he is not good
allso!! Some body look to this and laugh so much!!! He say he meat to
Uliana!!! Meat significa flesh from animal. Carne yo eat. Si, she is
meat like animal. Face like animal y se porta como un animal. She is
stripper an dhooker!!! She show all things and people think YES this
is meat!!! Hahaha he show truth when he try to make lie to every body.

Por supuesto this is meat. Face like weseal she have no soul.

http://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

Saludos,
Louie
(I am Puerto Rican American patriot & family guy)

.....................

http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/290662.html

The best-kept secret: Enforcement actually works
By ERNEST ISTOOK
The Heritage Foundation

Once again, the states are rebelling against Washington.

Fed up with dithering in D.C., states are proving that enforcement
works. Enforcement can not only prevent illegal immigration but
actually reverse it.

Illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands are leaving states that
have adopted tough new laws -- Colorado, Georgia, Arizona and now
Oklahoma. Local efforts are being launched too quickly to count,
involving more than 100 communities so far.

When denied jobs or public benefits, many illegals return to Mexico.
Others move within the U.S. to areas with local amnesty policies.

Left-leaning groups are on the move, too, flocking to the courts in
efforts to block state and local enforcement. Only Congress is
standing still -- except for backsliding efforts to push more back-
door amnesty.

The details of the state and local laws vary, but the impact is
consistent. Typically, they deny public benefits to illegal immigrants
and try to make sure that employers don't hire them.

Oklahoma's law kicked in Thursday. Hispanic leaders claim that 25,000
illegal persons departed the Sooner State before the measure went into
effect. Businesses that catered to them say their sales are down 20
percent. They're backing a lawsuit challenging the new crackdown.

But the crackdown is a gain for taxpayers. Estimates show that illegal
immigrants cost Oklahoma taxpayers $200 million a year, mostly for
education and healthcare.

Arizona's new employer sanctions don't start until Jan. 1. A half
million undocumented people supposedly are awaiting the outcome of
court challenges, but The Arizona Republic still reports the
outmigration already tops 100 per day.

Because of Georgia's new law, businesses with an illegal-alien
customer base have seen sales drop as much as 40 percent. And money
wired from Georgia to Mexico and Central America declined. Similar
sales drops are reported elsewhere.

Colorado supplemented its new laws with a special detachment of state
troopers. An Aug. 31 report to the governor said the first month's
results "exceed anyone's expectations," catching 150 illegal
immigrants plus those who smuggle them.

State legislators this year introduced some 1,400 immigrant-related
bills, and 182 became law. Local ordinances were proposed or adopted
in 104 cities and counties.

Bucking the trend is Illinois, which passed a law prohibiting
employers from using a federal database to screen out illegal
immigrants. That's where the litigation trend cuts both ways: The
Department of Homeland Security is suing Illinois to force it to
comply, saying the state can't pick and choose which federal laws to
obey.

Current federal enforcement remains limited, focused on illegals who
have committed violent crimes but not on illegal immigration
generally.

So-called sanctuary/amnesty cities are clearly violating federal law,
as New York City learned from a U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2000.
It's time for the feds to use that precedent and take other cities and
state scofflaws to court.

The battleground is swiftly shifting into court, where activist judges
are eager to side with border violators. One judge blocked federal
officials from notifying millions of employers that their workers may
be using false Social Security numbers. Hazleton, Pa., had its local
ordinance struck down. More lawsuits are pending. Enforcement works,
but liberals want to stifle it before people realize that.

The big claim is that immigration is solely a federal issue. If
activist judges block state and local enforcement, the public reaction
could rival the anger over decisions about abortion and forced busing.

But there's a difference this time: Those controversial rulings
claimed that the Constitution barred action by any level of
government.

By demonstrating that enforcement works, state and local governments
are clarifying the issues, and tens of thousands of illegal immigrants
are self-deporting. The public outcry that defeated the amnesty bill
this spring has found a new outlet, keeping the heat on Washington all
the way into the 2008 elections.
Ernest Istook is a distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation. He
served 14 years as a Republican congressman from Oklahoma.

................................

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=1385809

Are You Ready for a 'Violent Illegal Alien Criminal Empowerment Act'?

Peter Gadiel

I've recently written two columns in FSM illustrating that the tide of
battle has shifted against those who support illegal immigration and
open borders. In October I described how, through their increasingly
violent behavior and falsehoods, the members of the Open Borders Lobby
(OBL) are revealing that they themselves recognize this fact. In
November I wrote of the latest of this year's string of major
victories over the OBL: New York Governor Eliot Spitzer's humiliating
defeat of his scheme to issue driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Since the publication of those columns there have been additional
developments which confirm the themes of these columns but which
simultaneously provide warning that the war is far from over.

The inability of Gov. Spitzer to implement his illegal alien licensing
plan was a critical defeat for the OBL. It was a certainty that
whichever side won, there would be significant impact on other
states. If the open borders extremists had succeeded in New York many
other states would have fallen, but because national security concerns
carried the day, the influence has instead been beneficial.

The pro-illegal immigration extremists understand the importance of
what occurred. On November 16, the day after Spitzer surrendered, the
Putnam (NY) Journal-News quoted Robin Bikkal, immigration attorney and
illegal alien profiteer, admitting: "It's very painful. It's a
disaster. The thing is, I think we could have been leaders in this
whole process. Now I think everybody's going to be just dug into their
positions." Translation: "Had Spitzer succeeded in implementing his
scheme, many other states would soon be licensing illegal aliens;
instead the movement to expand the licensing of illegals to other
states is all but dead."

Even as Bikkal spoke, proof of the accuracy of his prediction was
being provided by Oregon's Democratic Gov. Ted Kulongoski. Oregon is
one of the seven states that still issue licenses to illegal aliens
and the unknown terrorists and violent felons among them. On the very
day that Spitzer put up the white flag, but presumably before he did
so, Kulongoski issued a statement reaffirming his longstanding support
for licensing illegals, because he said 'it saves lives if they go
through the licensing process.' But the very next day, Mr. Kulongoski
issued an executive order to "dramatically tighten" [italics added]
restrictions on Oregon driver's licenses and make Oregon "a de facto
legal presence state." The reason, said his spokeswoman, was because
"[t]here is an increasing concern, based on ongoing investigations,
that Oregon is becoming a 'safe haven' for unlawfully obtaining
identification."

There can be only two possible explanations for Gov. Kulongoski's
astonishing, but welcome, reversal. Either: 1. Gov. Kulongoski was
completely ignorant of the "concern based on ongoing investigations"
on November 15 and, within the space of one day, learned of the
threat, reversed course based on this new knowledge and issued an
executive order or: 2. What happened to Eliot Spitzer persuaded
Mr. Kulongoski to switch sides for political reasons.

Common sense and immigration lawyer Bikkal's comment provide
confirmation that it wasn't newly discovered concern for America's
safety that motivated Oregon's governor; it was newly discovered
concern for his own political future.

Remember too, that earlier this year both Tennessee and North Carolina
ended their practice of licensing illegals because the result had been
fraud, corruption and highway deaths; in the Illinois Legislature, a
bill to give "driving certificates" to illegals has, so far, been
stopped; and Representative Vito Fossella of New York City has
introduced legislation in Congress to prohibit issuance of licenses to
illegals anywhere in the United States. Taken together, we see that,
on the driver's license front, the illegal alien lobby has taken a
severe beating.

Driver's licenses were just one aspect of the OBL's problems. Also
defeated were the Bush-Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration bill and the
so-called "Dream Act" both of which would have given amnesty to
millions of illegals and would give them in-state college tuition
rates. Arizona and Oklahoma are implementing strong anti-illegal
immigration measures statewide. Over 1500 anti-illegal immigration
bills have been introduced in legislatures in fifty states, with
passage of almost 250 in 46 states.

Despite the favorable trend, the madness in support of illegal
immigration continues to express itself and serves to warn us of the
fanaticism of the OBL and the continuing threat. Consider for example
a bill which Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee has introduced in the
Congress. That bill, H.R. 750, includes an amnesty for millions of
illegals which is far broader than previous ones. She would allow
illegal aliens who have been convicted of crimes of violence and
sentenced to up to five years in prison to apply for amnesty (past
amnesties have limited eligibility to criminals who have been
sentenced 'only' up to one year's imprisonment). Her bill would
specifically allow states to prohibit state and local police from
cooperating with federal government enforcement on immigration law. It
would also repeal the current provision in federal law (Section 287g)
which allows the Attorney General to enter into agreements with states
and localities which deputizes their police to enforce immigration
law.

Jackson Lee's bill is nothing less than a 'Violent Illegal Alien
Criminal Empowerment Act' and though it is unlikely to get anywhere in
the Congress, it does illustrate three facts about illegal alien
lobbyists: they do not recognize any moral obligation to safeguard the
welfare of our country or its citizens; they are extremists; and they
are not giving up.

My October column addressed another indicator of our success over the
OBL: that their increasingly vicious and dishonest rhetoric indicates
a realization that their victory is no longer assured. Since then,
they have continued to provide us with even more of this.

For example, in November a group calling itself "Christians for
Comprehensive Immigration Reform" issued a pronunciamento chock full
of hateful language which, quite ironically, denounced anyone who
opposes illegal immigration of being "deeply rooted in hate." Using
distortions, lies, and quotes out of context, this group alleges that
those who oppose illegal immigration are "virulently anti-immigrant
and anti-Hispanic," "xenophobes," "purveyors of hate," fear mongers,
and un-Christian. We are accused of being linked with, and no
different from, Ku Klux Klansmen and neo-Nazis.

It is apparent that for these "Christians" the technique of arousing
hatred for we who disagree with them, by lying about the facts and
smearing our characters, is an acceptable means of elevating the tone
of the debate and showing "Christian tolerance" for different
opinions.

It is not worth analyzing in depth a document which, while ostensibly
issued for the purpose of promoting peace and love, itself relies on
the most hateful techniques of propagandists. However, it is worth
noting that much of the "proof" cited in the document is drawn from
sources such as The National Council of La Raza (its motto: "Inside
the race, everything; outside the race, nothing); open borders
profiteer Frank Sharry of the National Immigration Forum; and others
who utilize lists of "hate groups" to solicit funds.

It should also be noted that "Christians for Comprehensive
Immigration" describes itself as being in partnership with numerous
far left, pro-illegal alien lobby groups including: Move On, Mother
Jones, Center for American Progress, Working Assets, United for a Fair
Economy and others of that ilk.

In short, Christians for Comprehensive Immigration Reform is nothing
more than one more element of the illegal alien lobby. As such it is
gratifying to see that they confirm, via their vitriolic language,
that their cause is losing.

So, let those of us who understand the very real dangers of unsecured
borders and unrestricted illegal immigration enjoy our victories. Let
us enjoy the spectacle of our opponents resorting to increasingly
vicious rhetoric and behavior as their claims are ever more widely
rejected by the American people. But, let us also not ignore that a
fanaticism confirmed by the events of November will not soon be
stopped.

We can celebrate our victories but cannot afford to stop fighting.

# #

Peter Gadiel's twenty-three year old son, James, was murdered in the
World Trade Center in the September 11 terrorist attacks. Gadiel
holds a law degree from Case Western Reserve University and is
president of 9/11 Families for a Secure America (www.911fsa.org), an
organization made up of family members of those killed on 9/11 and
other victims of crimes committed by illegal aliens.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:00 pm
From: Louie

On Nov 16, 3:35 pm, art777 <Arthur1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Luis and his company

My name is Arthur Zilberman and im the husband of the broken Lena
family. Looks like you have some time on your hands, since you been
very consistent in posting these messages.

Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
BUT LIES, produced by my ex-wife or her "Caring" friends.

.................

Oye!!! every body need to read this.

> Better yet, the only reason I got married, is because
> my ex wife got pregnant.

Haha. He has marriage for more than 5 year. He have 4 year old son. I
want make say I knows to this guy. I sees to stupid guy & illegal
stripper allways. He make lie every body know to what is truth.

> Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
> are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
> BUT LIES,

> IM 33 years old, have a business (employing 5 people), and 2 college
> degrees. Do you really thing a 22 year old girl, can mislead me and
> lure me into a marriage.

He has no clear thinking les aseguro. He try and fix all thing for
illegal stripper and so many say she look like she have more than 30
years! She is liar in every thing.

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/antisocialpd.htm

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist-Revised_%28PCL-R%29

Illegal Uliana he cannot fix to what she is & what she do. He cannot
change fact. He make big mistake go with her & help to her. He make
threaten for he self & family & business allso!!!

No body can forget allso he allow to Ilegal stripper make threaten
blackmail on wife Lena.

> U cause pain and destruction. Stop your posts.

Illegal stripper she start all things. Make pain on her self for brake
US law & do harm to others. She is no afraid for any thing. Every body
need to read abot psycho & they see!!!

> I never loved my wife and was cheating on her

A todos modos ICE throws her out of USA soon & yo need for find new
women, amigo.

> before I meat Uliana.

Por supuesto this is meat. Face like weseal she have no soul.

http://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

Saludos,
Louie
(I am Puerto Rican American patriot & family guy)

................

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:01 pm
From: Louie

On Nov 16, 3:35 pm, art777 <Arthur1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Luis and his company

My name is Arthur Zilberman and im the husband of the broken Lena
family. Looks like you have some time on your hands, since you been
very consistent in posting these messages.

Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
BUT LIES, produced by my ex-wife or her "Caring" friends.

.................

Oye!!! every body need to read this.

> Better yet, the only reason I got married, is because
> my ex wife got pregnant.

Haha. He has marriage for more than 5 year. He have 4 year old son. I
want make say I knows to this guy. I sees to stupid guy & illegal
stripper allways. He make lie every body know to what is truth.

> Ive been with Uliana Abramova for the past 2 years, and currently we
> are living together. ALL the posts in regards to her name are nothing
> BUT LIES,

> IM 33 years old, have a business (employing 5 people), and 2 college
> degrees. Do you really thing a 22 year old girl, can mislead me and
> lure me into a marriage.

He has no clear thinking les aseguro. He try and fix all thing for
illegal stripper and so many say she look like she have more than 30
years! She is liar in every thing.

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/antisocialpd.htm

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist-Revised_%28PCL-R%29

Illegal Uliana he cannot fix to what she is & what she do. He cannot
change fact. He make big mistake go with her & help to her. He make
threaten for he self & family & business allso!!!

No body can forget allso he allow to Ilegal stripper make threaten
blackmail on wife Lena.

> U cause pain and destruction. Stop your posts.

Illegal stripper she start all things. Make pain on her self for brake
US law & do harm to others. She is no afraid for any thing. Every body
need to read abot psycho & they see!!!

> I never loved my wife and was cheating on her

A todos modos ICE throws her out of USA soon & yo need for find new
women, amigo.

> before I meat Uliana.

Por supuesto this is meat. Face like weseal she have no soul.

http://puertorico.craigslist.org/rnr/458349359.html

Saludos,
Louie
(I am Puerto Rican American patriot & family guy)

................

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 11:52 am
From: "rick++"

Rents have not caught up to the house price
runup this decade, but is the possible they may
and you may see huge rent increases.
This appears to be happening in the San Francisco
and Los Angeles areas now.
The long term rental price is approximately the
annual pruchase carrying cost plus a landlord
profit (often from the tax breaks).
So renters, dont count your chickens ...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 12:36 pm
From: jdoe

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:37:56 -0500, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>jdoe wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:46:28 -0500, clams casino
>><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>A significant portion of a landlord's profit is from their tax
>>>deductions (essentially subsidies). Many renters would never qualify
>>>for any of these deductions if they owned a comparable 1200 ft2 home /
>>>condo. In some respect, much of the landlord's profit likely actually
>>>comes from tax payers rather than the renter.
>>>
>>>
>>this is pure nonsense, the landlord more than likely makes enough to
>>cover his expenses plus a little positive cash flow, in addition he
>>OWNS the property and history has shown that 99.9 of the time real
>>estate appreciates, so to sum up, he has his tenants covering the
>>costs of owning, he's generating positive cash flow, he does get many
>>tax saving advantages and in time when he sells he'll make a profit on
>>the property.
>>__________________________________________
>>Never argue with an idiot.
>>They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>
>>
>
>
>You've obviously never been on the landlord side. Without the tax
>advantages, rents would have to be significantly higher for most
>landlords to turn a profit.
you're quibbling over a small portion of a larger equation, if there
is no cash flow from owning the property there is little reason to
invest in or buy that property in the first place, people do not
invest hoping to profit from the tax advantages, they invest for ROI ,
the tax advantages are just part of the reasons for making the initial
investment
__________________________________________
Never argue with an idiot.
They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 1:36 pm
From: clams casino

jdoe wrote:

>On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:37:56 -0500, clams casino
><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>jdoe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:46:28 -0500, clams casino
>>><PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>A significant portion of a landlord's profit is from their tax
>>>>deductions (essentially subsidies). Many renters would never qualify
>>>>for any of these deductions if they owned a comparable 1200 ft2 home /
>>>>condo. In some respect, much of the landlord's profit likely actually
>>>>comes from tax payers rather than the renter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>this is pure nonsense, the landlord more than likely makes enough to
>>>cover his expenses plus a little positive cash flow, in addition he
>>>OWNS the property and history has shown that 99.9 of the time real
>>>estate appreciates, so to sum up, he has his tenants covering the
>>>costs of owning, he's generating positive cash flow, he does get many
>>>tax saving advantages and in time when he sells he'll make a profit on
>>>the property.
>>>__________________________________________
>>>Never argue with an idiot.
>>>They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>You've obviously never been on the landlord side. Without the tax
>>advantages, rents would have to be significantly higher for most
>>landlords to turn a profit.
>>
>>
>you're quibbling over a small portion of a larger equation, if there
>is no cash flow from owning the property there is little reason to
>invest in or buy that property in the first place, people do not
>invest hoping to profit from the tax advantages, they invest for ROI ,
>the tax advantages are just part of the reasons for making the initial
>investment
>
>

Are trying to suggest the tax advantages are not a significant part of
the ROI?

Try figuring such an ROI without the tax advantages.

Suppose I own a condo, but do not quite have enough deductions to exceed
the standard deduction. I'm paying the full price of interest,
property taxes & maintenance.

Second example - I rent from Joe. He has three condos & thus has more
than enough to itemize, realizing a good 35% discount on interest,
property taxes & maintenance. Granted Joe will have to pay 35% taxes on
his gain, but his net cost will still be lower than mine. Meanwhile,
I'm enjoying a full standard deduction.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 2:58 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 16:36:49 -0500, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>Suppose I own a condo, but do not quite have enough deductions to exceed
>the standard deduction. I'm paying the full price of interest,
>property taxes & maintenance.

No. Your standard deduction includes an allowance for common
expenses, such as mortgage interest and property taxes. How much is
determined by the IRS.

>Second example - I rent from Joe. He has three condos & thus has more
>than enough to itemize, realizing a good 35% discount on interest,
>property taxes & maintenance. Granted Joe will have to pay 35% taxes on
>his gain, but his net cost will still be lower than mine. Meanwhile,
>I'm enjoying a full standard deduction.

And paying your portion of Joe's interest, property taxes and
maintenance through your rent.

Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 6 2007 3:19 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-A0D856.21531405122007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <t2z5j.6197$3W.3606@trndny04>,
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:srhi-4B6395.22011404122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> > In article
>> snip
>>
>> > I understand that you are desparate for a job, but I doubt this idea
>> > would pan out. Hiring someone is a major commitment. I seriously doubt
>> > $300 would make all that big a difference to a company who could afford
>> > to hire you. What might be better is to offer to work for free for a
>> > week at a place where they might be tempted to hire you, but aren't
>> > ready to make the commitment. Another option to consider is to move to
>> > an area where jobs are available.
>>
>> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even
>> voluntarily,
>> at a regular type company.
>
> Why? If we are referring to the United States, its a free country. If

if you're happy and you know it, clank your chains.

> you are willing to work for free, I don't know of any area where that
> would be illegal. If you do have an example where volunteering to work
> is illegal, please provide the details.

i'd think state and federal minimum wage laws would apply unless it's a
non-profit. call up your state people and ask.
>

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