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TOPIC: How McDonald's responds to cheap bastards like us
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/23d05596d9ead4e6?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Feb 5 2009 9:15 pm
From: SMS
John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article <%5Jil.237644$NN4.224524@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:
>
>> Any business will keep their prices as high as possible, as long as
>> possible, in order to fatten their bottom line.
>
> The facts show that is not true. Walmart has a policy of always
> trying to offer the lowest possible price.
Funny stuff!
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 3:46 am
From: clams_casino
John A. Weeks III wrote:
>In article <%5Jil.237644$NN4.224524@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Any business will keep their prices as high as possible, as long as
>>possible, in order to fatten their bottom line.
>>
>>
>
>The facts show that is not true. Walmart has a policy of always
>trying to offer the lowest possible price. They account for a
>major slice of the retail market.
>
>-john-
>
>
>
Actually, Walmart has a policy of having the lowest cost structure so
they can sell equal to lower than their competition with an equal to
higher profit margin.
If they don't achieve an acceptable profit margin, the product will be
long gone.
Also, while Walmart does tend to have a valid reputation for overall low
pricing, they are by far not always the lowest price.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 4:07 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <gmfiev$21ab$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net>
wrote:
> http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=11887463&ch=422672
> 0&src=news
>
>
> I found myself occasionally going to McDonald's after I discovered
> their Double Cheeseburger on the dollar menu. Normally, I went to
> Wendy's and got the Jr. Cheeseburger Deluxe, or sometimes to Burger King
> to get the Whopper Jr.
>
> However, our local McDonald's raised the price of their double
> cheeseburger from $1 up to $1.38. The one still on the dollar menu has
> two burger patties, and just a single slice of cheese. A 38% increase
> to keep that second piece of cheese seemed a bit much, so I don't go to
> McDonald's much at all any more.
>
> Now that the price for food commodities has started going back down,
> how many of you think that McDonald's will decrease their retail costs?
> Will they, or will it be more like how the gas stations keep prices up
> for a while?
McDonalds' overhead consists of a lot more than food commodities. Same
with other restaurants. They have insurance, rent or mortgage payments,
costs for paper goods, payroll, insurance, utilities, etc. and most of
those items go up in price over time.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 4:18 am
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <john-84E29D.18250905022009@news-1.octanews.net>,
"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote:
> In article <%5Jil.237644$NN4.224524@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:
>
> > Any business will keep their prices as high as possible, as long as
> > possible, in order to fatten their bottom line.
>
> The facts show that is not true. Walmart has a policy of always
> trying to offer the lowest possible price. They account for a
> major slice of the retail market.
Yeh, and they sell junk. You pay for Walmart's low prices by less
customer service, longer lines, and a lower selection of goods. For
example, I once went there to buy a food scale. I asked several
employees where I could find a food scale? All I got was shrugs and "I
don't know." I looked in all the obvious places to no avail. I ended up
walking to a nearby supermarket where I found just what I wanted in five
minutes.
Then there was the time where my cleaning woman requested a certain
brand of floor cleaner. I went to Walmart and they had three of four
types of floor cleaner, but no Mr. Clean. I ended up buying it at a
nearby supermarket.
Then I bought a belt there and after two months, it fell apart.
My problem with all those fast food places' value menus is they never
have any healthy sandwiches on them. Wendy's has a 99 cent garden salad
and a baked potato, but if you want a grilled chicken sandwich, you have
to pay over $3 for it, while a fattening fried chicken sandwich is only
99 cents. Why can't the grilled chicken sandwich be 99 cents too?
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:03 am
From: clams_casino
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>In article <john-84E29D.18250905022009@news-1.octanews.net>,
> "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>In article <%5Jil.237644$NN4.224524@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com>,
>> "Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Any business will keep their prices as high as possible, as long as
>>>possible, in order to fatten their bottom line.
>>>
>>>
>>The facts show that is not true. Walmart has a policy of always
>>trying to offer the lowest possible price. They account for a
>>major slice of the retail market.
>>
>>
>
>Yeh, and they sell junk.
>
Actually, they sell the same stuff that others sell. I'm not sure they
much that isn't sold elsewhere.
>You pay for Walmart's low prices by less
>customer service, longer lines, and a lower selection of goods.
>
Actually, I've typically found Walmart's customer service to be quite
excellent. They leave you alone while shopping, have an essentially no
question return policy and I rarely see lines, except perhaps at times
in the Christmas season. Then again, I'm never there on a Saturday.
>For
>example, I once went there to buy a food scale. I asked several
>employees where I could find a food scale? All I got was shrugs and "I
>don't know." I looked in all the obvious places to no avail. I ended up
>walking to a nearby supermarket where I found just what I wanted in five
>minutes.
>
>
Anytime I've ever asked about an item, either that employee or someone
they call upon has personally escorted me right to the item and/or
quickly acknowledged that they didn't carry that particular item.
>Then there was the time where my cleaning woman requested a certain
>brand of floor cleaner. I went to Walmart and they had three of four
>types of floor cleaner, but no Mr. Clean. I ended up buying it at a
>nearby supermarket.
>
>
While they do carry many items, they obviously don't carry every brand.
A downside is that they tend to carry only the larger sizes, but do you
really expect them to carry every brand in every size? (Same for your
supermarket.)
>Then I bought a belt there and after two months, it fell apart.
>
>
Same thing happened to me at Marshalls. I also recall tossing out
some Brooks Brothers shirts after a few months which I thought I was
getting at a good price at one of their outlets. Talk about real crap.
>My problem with all those fast food places' value menus is they never
>have any healthy sandwiches on them. Wendy's has a 99 cent garden salad
>and a baked potato, but if you want a grilled chicken sandwich, you have
>to pay over $3 for it, while a fattening fried chicken sandwich is only
>99 cents. Why can't the grilled chicken sandwich be 99 cents too?
>
>
Because the 99 cent chicken is molded pieces with a lot of breading, etc
while the grilled chicken is a piece of meat?
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:04 am
From: clams_casino
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
>
>McDonalds' overhead consists of a lot more than food commodities. Same
>with other restaurants. They have insurance, rent or mortgage payments,
>costs for paper goods, payroll, insurance, utilities, etc. and most of
>those items go up in price over time.
>
>
While we rarely eat at McDonalds, we do often stop there for their rest
rooms.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:19 am
From: OhioGuy
>but if you want a grilled chicken sandwich, you have
>to pay over $3 for it, while a fattening fried chicken sandwich is only
>99 cents. Why can't the grilled chicken sandwich be 99 cents too?
Hmm. Considering how processed their other sandwiches are, you might
think that one which isn't handled or changed as much should be cheaper.
However, I'm wondering if they might almost get "paid" to put some of
the stuff in the processed ones. It brings back my thoughts about
something I found in my dad's garage years ago. I was reading the
ingredients on a pesticide bottle, and one of the ingredients was
"cheese". Yep, you read that right. I started wondering why in the
world cheese would be an ingredient in a pesticide bottle, and the only
thing I could figure out was that perhaps it was bad cheese, and it
would have cost the company $ to get rid of. However, the company
making the pesticide may have accepted it for free.
Maybe there is a company that needed to get rid of X substance, and
they used it as a filler in the processed sandwich?
Part of it is probably perception, though. They realize that people
are used to paying more for what is perceived as higher quality,
healthier foods. (organic, and all that sort of thing) As such, even if
the grilled chicken sandwich COULD be sold for $1.50 profitably, they
have no problem charging double that, if they feel that 80% of the
potential clients will still buy them at that price.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 7:30 am
From: "Woody"
"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:3rXil.3334$WT.780@newsfe22.iad...
> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> Because the 99 cent chicken is molded pieces with a lot of breading, etc
> while the grilled chicken is a piece of meat?
You'd figure pulverized chicken would be more expensive because of
additional processing cost, but it's actually cheap because the chicken
being pulverized can be any sausage-like junk--gristle, gizzards, tendons,
etc.
Woody
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 9:07 am
From: clams_casino
OhioGuy wrote:
> >but if you want a grilled chicken sandwich, you have
> >to pay over $3 for it, while a fattening fried chicken sandwich is only
> >99 cents. Why can't the grilled chicken sandwich be 99 cents too?
>
> Hmm. Considering how processed their other sandwiches are, you
> might think that one which isn't handled or changed as much should be
> cheaper.
>
> However, I'm wondering if they might almost get "paid" to put some
> of the stuff in the processed ones. It brings back my thoughts about
> something I found in my dad's garage years ago. I was reading the
> ingredients on a pesticide bottle, and one of the ingredients was
> "cheese". Yep, you read that right. I started wondering why in the
> world cheese would be an ingredient in a pesticide bottle, and the
> only thing I could figure out was that perhaps it was bad cheese, and
> it would have cost the company $ to get rid of. However, the company
> making the pesticide may have accepted it for free.
>
> Maybe there is a company that needed to get rid of X substance, and
> they used it as a filler in the processed sandwich?
>
> Part of it is probably perception, though. They realize that people
> are used to paying more for what is perceived as higher quality,
> healthier foods. (organic, and all that sort of thing) As such, even
> if the grilled chicken sandwich COULD be sold for $1.50 profitably,
> they have no problem charging double that, if they feel that 80% of
> the potential clients will still buy them at that price.
According to the McDonald's web site, a McChicken sandwich weighs 5 oz
(360 calories / 14 gm protein) with 42% of its weight in fat. A
Grilled chicken sandwich is 8 oz (420 calories / 32 grams protein) with
20% of its weight in fat. Part of the cost difference is in weight
alone with the remaining being much cheaper fatty by products vs. the
breast meat.
The McChicken is clearly the more economical source for fat and calories.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 1:25 am
From: "Woody"
You heard it here first, folks. The bailout industry is alive and well.
Woody
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TOPIC: Senate (50% are millionaires) Stimulus Bill: "Screw unemployed
Americans -- illegal aliens need jobs!" - 1 of 7 (300k) construction jobs to
illegal aliens
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 2:41 am
From: hpope@lycos.com
On Feb 5, 9:34 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
<guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> Before reading this PLEASE NOTE:
>
> Senate Stimulus: 300,000 Jobs for Illegals? - 1 in 7 New Construction
> Jobs Could Go to Illegal Immigrants
>
> By Steven A. Camarota
> February 2009
>
> WASHINGTON, D.C. (February 4, 2008) — The Senate Stimulus bill
> currently being considered contains about $104 billion in new
> government funding for construction projects with the goal of creating
> jobs for millions of unemployed Americans. Unlike the House version,
> there is no provision in the bill to bar illegal immigrants from
> getting these taxpayer-funded jobs. This could result in several
> hundred thousand illegal immigrants receiving jobs.
>
> The current version of the Senate Stimulus bill (The American Recovery
> and Reinvestment Act) contains $104 billion in construction spending,
> including highways, schools, and public housing.
> Government estimates suggest this spending should create about 2
> million new construction jobs.
> Consistent with other research, the Center Immigration Studies has
> previously estimated that 15 percent of construction workers are
> illegal immigrants.
> This means that about 300,000 of the construction jobs created by the
> Senate stimulus could go to illegal aliens (15 percent of 2 million).
>
> Discussion: The $104 billion figure for new construction is based on
> the current version of the Senate Stimulus bill. Government estimates
> indicate that each $1 billion spent on construction should create
> roughly 19,600 construction jobs, each lasting a year.1 Thus $104
> billion for construction projects should create construction-related
> jobs for about 2.04 million workers over several years. The Center for
> Immigration Studies has estimated that about one out of seven (or 15
> percent) of workers employed in construction in the United States are
> illegal immigrants.2 Thus, if no effort is made to bar illegal
> immigrants from these jobs, it is extremely likely that about 300,000
> will go to illegal immigrants. The House of Representatives version of
> the stimulus package has a provision requiring contractors to use the
> E-Verify system, which enables employers to quickly determine if new
> hires are authorized to work in the United States. At present, the
> Senate has no such provision.
>
> 1 The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) estimates indicate that
> each $1 billion in construction spending directly creates 19,584
> construction related jobs. This number comes from Employment Impacts
> of Highway Infrastructure Investment, April 2008, FHWA. This figure
> does not include jobs indirectly created by construction spending.
>
> 2 Steven A. Camarota, "Dropping Out: Immigrant Entry and Native Exit
> From the Labor Market, 2000-2005," Center for Immigration Studies
> Backgrounder, March 2006, p. 19. A 2006 Pew Hispanic Center study,
> "The Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population
> in the U.S.," estimated that 14 percent of construction workers were
> illegal immigrants; see page 3 of that report. Both the CIS and Pew
> studies were based on the March 2005 Current Population Survey (CPS).
> The March 2007 CPS shows that the illegal share of construction
> workers may have grown to 18 percent, but we use 15 percent in the
> above discussion to be conservative.
>
> # # #
>
> The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research
> organization that examines the impact of immigration on the United
> States.
>
> Source:http://cis.org/SenateStimulus
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> What Would America's Founders Do?
> Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
> Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
> keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
> against tyranny in government.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and
> silent we may be led, like sheep, to the slaughter.
> -- George Washington
>
> If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
> there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
> original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive
> forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to
> arms, without concert, without system, without resource;
> except in their courage and despair ...
> The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
> proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> than in a small ... the people, without exaggeration, may be said
> to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> We in America do not have government by the majority.
> We have government by the majority who participate.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good
> conscience to remain silent.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of
> the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe
> depositories.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now
> let us show them we can fight like men also.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going
> to do.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the
> Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will
> delineate and define you.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on
> does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which
> they draw their gains.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
> corporations which dare already to challenge our government to
> a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> liberties than standing armies.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
> those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
> perverted it into tyranny.
> -- Thomas Jefferson
I doubt that any of the spineless creeps infesting Congress would have
the balls
to propose something (deportation) that is rational.
mitch
http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
http://www.wvwnews.net/ Western Voices World News
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 5:41 am
From: Tony
Why the illegal aliens were the bastards that caused this whole credit
crises in the first place. I say bring back the lash for these *lazy*
bastards.
hpope@lycos.com wrote:
> On Feb 5, 9:34 pm, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com"
> <guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Before reading this PLEASE NOTE:
> >
> > Senate Stimulus: 300,000 Jobs for Illegals? - 1 in 7 New Construction
> > Jobs Could Go to Illegal Immigrants
> >
> > By Steven A. Camarota
> > February 2009
> >
> > WASHINGTON, D.C. (February 4, 2008) — The Senate Stimulus bill
> > currently being considered contains about $104 billion in new
> > government funding for construction projects with the goal of creating
> > jobs for millions of unemployed Americans. Unlike the House version,
> > there is no provision in the bill to bar illegal immigrants from
> > getting these taxpayer-funded jobs. This could result in several
> > hundred thousand illegal immigrants receiving jobs.
> >
> > The current version of the Senate Stimulus bill (The American Recovery
> > and Reinvestment Act) contains $104 billion in construction spending,
> > including highways, schools, and public housing.
> > Government estimates suggest this spending should create about 2
> > million new construction jobs.
> > Consistent with other research, the Center Immigration Studies has
> > previously estimated that 15 percent of construction workers are
> > illegal immigrants.
> > This means that about 300,000 of the construction jobs created by the
> > Senate stimulus could go to illegal aliens (15 percent of 2 million).
> >
> > Discussion: The $104 billion figure for new construction is based on
> > the current version of the Senate Stimulus bill. Government estimates
> > indicate that each $1 billion spent on construction should create
> > roughly 19,600 construction jobs, each lasting a year.1 Thus $104
> > billion for construction projects should create construction-related
> > jobs for about 2.04 million workers over several years. The Center for
> > Immigration Studies has estimated that about one out of seven (or 15
> > percent) of workers employed in construction in the United States are
> > illegal immigrants.2 Thus, if no effort is made to bar illegal
> > immigrants from these jobs, it is extremely likely that about 300,000
> > will go to illegal immigrants. The House of Representatives version of
> > the stimulus package has a provision requiring contractors to use the
> > E-Verify system, which enables employers to quickly determine if new
> > hires are authorized to work in the United States. At present, the
> > Senate has no such provision.
> >
> > 1 The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) estimates indicate that
> > each $1 billion in construction spending directly creates 19,584
> > construction related jobs. This number comes from Employment Impacts
> > of Highway Infrastructure Investment, April 2008, FHWA. This figure
> > does not include jobs indirectly created by construction spending.
> >
> > 2 Steven A. Camarota, "Dropping Out: Immigrant Entry and Native Exit
> > From the Labor Market, 2000-2005," Center for Immigration Studies
> > Backgrounder, March 2006, p. 19. A 2006 Pew Hispanic Center study,
> > "The Size and Characteristics of the Unauthorized Migrant Population
> > in the U.S.," estimated that 14 percent of construction workers were
> > illegal immigrants; see page 3 of that report. Both the CIS and Pew
> > studies were based on the March 2005 Current Population Survey (CPS).
> > The March 2007 CPS shows that the illegal share of construction
> > workers may have grown to 18 percent, but we use 15 percent in the
> > above discussion to be conservative.
> >
> > # # #
> >
> > The Center for Immigration Studies is an independent research
> > organization that examines the impact of immigration on the United
> > States.
> >
> > Source:http://cis.org/SenateStimulus
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > What Would America's Founders Do?
> > Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
> > Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
> > -- Benjamin Franklin
> >
> > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
> > keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
> > against tyranny in government.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and
> > silent we may be led, like sheep, to the slaughter.
> > -- George Washington
> >
> > If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
> > there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
> > original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive
> > forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to
> > arms, without concert, without system, without resource;
> > except in their courage and despair ...
> > The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
> > proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> > than in a small ... the people, without exaggeration, may be said
> > to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > -- Alexander Hamilton
> >
> > We in America do not have government by the majority.
> > We have government by the majority who participate.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good
> > conscience to remain silent.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of
> > the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe
> > depositories.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now
> > let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going
> > to do.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the
> > Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will
> > delineate and define you.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on
> > does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which
> > they draw their gains.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
> > corporations which dare already to challenge our government to
> > a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> > liberties than standing armies.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
> >
> > Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
> > those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
> > perverted it into tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> I doubt that any of the spineless creeps infesting Congress would have
> the balls
> to propose something (deportation) that is rational.
>
> mitch
>
> http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA
>
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:07 am
From: clams_casino
Tony wrote:
>Why the illegal aliens were the bastards that caused this whole credit
>crises in the first place. I say bring back the lash for these *lazy*
>bastards.
>
>
>
I'd guess Bernie Madoff did more damage than all the illegals may have
done collectively over the past 100 years.
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TOPIC: Boycott Kellogg's!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8a15d9acf2bbf150?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 3:00 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:09:30 -0800 (PST), dank420@rocketmail.com wrote:
>Kellogg's had withdrawn its sponsorship of Michael Phelps because of
>the photo of him smoking marijuana. If you smoke pot, you are
>probably familiar with Kellogg's products like Pop-Tarts, Froot-Loops,
>Keebler cookies, Cheez-It crackers, and dozens of other brands of junk
>food loaded with sugar, salt, and partially hydrogenated soybean oil.
>
>WTF was Kellogg's thinking? They have no problem with stoners eating
>their junk food, but refuse to let a stoner endorse the same junk
>food. I am calling for a boycott of all Kellogg's products, which
>shouldn't be difficult to comply with because there are plenty of
>other companies that manufacture similar products.
>
>Corporate rivals of Kellogg's include Kraft/Nabisco, Frito-Lay, and
>Proctor & Gamble, and together they manufacture more than enough empty
>calories to satisfy everyone's munchies. Please do not purchase or
>consume Kellogg's products until it reinstates its sponsorship of
>Michael Phelps and apologizes for insulting its target audience.
>
>Contact Kellogg's at:
>http://www2.kelloggs.com/ContactUs.aspx
Phelps puffing $5.00 worth of weed has caused Kellogg's marketing
department to suddenly acquire "negro dignity". Compare Phelp's
treatment to the kid-glove handling of Obama's tax evading nominees!
ted
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TOPIC: Don't buy Shaving Cream - Save Money
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 4:49 am
From: jimmerq@nospam.com
Shaving cream is costly and a waste of money. You don't need shaving
cream to shave, when every man has an unlimited supply of FREE shaving
cream. Before you shave, simply masturbate. Every man who is old
enough to shave, knows how to masturbate. But don't just blow your
load in the toilet. Save the semen in your coffee mug or any other
container. After you are finished masturbation, apply the semen to
your face the same way you would have used the shaving cream, and
shave as usual. Better for your wallet, better for the environment,
better for your health, and saves energy. Besides that, you most
likely enjoyed the masturbation.
If by chance you'd rather have sex with your wife or another lady,
just use a condom. When finished, remove the condom and you should
have plenty semen for your morning shave.
James M.
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TOPIC: FEMA rations that contain peanut butter may be contaminated with
salmonella
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 5:08 am
From: skulluton@live.com
http://consumerist.com/5147204 Who ever is responsible for making or
allowing the tainted peanut butter to be distributed to so many
companies on such a large scale needs to be sent to prison
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:08 am
From: clams_casino
skulluton@live.com wrote:
>http://consumerist.com/5147204 Who ever is responsible for making or
>allowing the tainted peanut butter to be distributed to so many
>companies on such a large scale needs to be sent to prison
>
>
Or better yet, charged for murder since if it's true they knowing
shipped tainted product.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 10:24 am
From: "Rod Speed"
clams_casino wrote
> skulluton@live.com wrote
>> http://consumerist.com/5147204 Who ever is responsible for making or allowing the tainted peanut butter to be
>> distributed to so many companies on such a large scale needs to be sent to prison
> Or better yet, charged for murder since if it's true they knowing
> shipped tainted product.
Thats not murder. We have different words for different crimes for a reason.
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TOPIC: Have you ever improved your Vision?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 6:27 am
From: Okikuru
eye exercises? hypnosis?
Have you improved your eyesight and no longer need glasses. Tell me your
story. OK?
georgewk@humboldt1.com
--
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to the aid of their country.
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TOPIC: Wireless Service Plans for Laptops
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 7:55 am
From: George
Michael White wrote:
> I'd like to use my laptop for web browsing in the mall and in my office in
> the Dallas (TX) area. Who provides the best quality (speed) service plan?
> Who provides the best value plan?
>
> Does a smartphone do better than a laptop for this purpose?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Smartphones are better in the sense that they are small enough to carry
and are able to do most stuff but on a small screen but you can tether
your notebook/netbook/whatever when you want to have a larger screen. I
don't know anything about data in Texas but in general Verizon Wireless
has the best data network.
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TOPIC: zip unzip
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 9:31 am
From: Jeff
When my boot drive died I lost WinZip.
Any suggestions for a freeware/shareware Unzip program?
I've tried a couple and the first failed to install and the second (7
zip) only installed the "Free Dolphin Screensaver" which I didn't want,
and not the Unzip program!
Jeff
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 10:17 am
From: "fang"
Jeff wrote:
> When my boot drive died I lost WinZip.
That shouldnt have been a problem if you paid for the copy of WinZip you were using.
> Any suggestions for a freeware/shareware Unzip program?
WinZip, or what comes with the OS.
> I've tried a couple and the first failed to install and the second (7 zip) only installed the "Free Dolphin
> Screensaver" which I didn't want, and not the Unzip program!
If you just want to unzip as you said, both XP and Vista will unzip for free.
There's plenty of others too like WinRAR.
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TOPIC: Bathtub question
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 9:45 am
From: Bobk207
On Feb 5, 1:26 pm, "RonABC" <r...@hytre.abc> wrote:
> Your link worked for me. For those for whom the link did not work, maybe
> they could do a copy and paste of the link text into the address bar and try
> it that way.
>
> Due to the reflections in the pictures, I misunderstood what I was seeing in
> the pictures. Since you said your "turn" the knob to operate the drain, I
> took another look. In the photo view from the bottom, it looks like maybe
> there is a little round inset-type cap on the side of the fixture. If so,
> maybe you could use a pointed kitchen steak knife to pry/pop the cap out,
> then see if there is a set screw in there. Since you turn the knob for it
> to work, my guess is that there is a set screw that holds the knob to the
> shaft inside that has to be turned.
The link worked for me as well but as Ron said...the relfections made
it difficult to interpret the photos.
I have seen this type before (friend's house in the 70's) but never
removed the knob.
I think Ron is correct about that "cap"...but I would use a sharp
chisel or putty knife rather than risk a kitchen knife.
OP- Cover the drain with a wash cloth so you dont lose anything down
the drain. Get some Liquid wrench to put on the set screw and the pop-
up linkage so you can free it up.
The closeup photos were good for detail but an overall all shot would
have been helpful to establish context and making understanding the
closeups easier.
let us know how this works out.
cheers
Bob
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TOPIC: VIRGIN MOBILE CANADA /DISAPPOINTED WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE, PLANS etc.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/783b191e371bb055?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Feb 6 2009 9:49 am
From: meteore
Hi,
Several years ago I needed a phone just to keep in the car in the
event of an emergency. I had no need for a phone otherwise.
I chose Virgin Mobile Canada, because they had the plan, where you
purchased a card and it was good for three months. No other fees were
necessary. It suited me, because I spent the winters down south.
I took the phone down south and found out it didn't work there, even
though Virgin Mobile is located down south. I was forced to buy
another phone and buy another card.
Later on returning to Canada I changed the plan on the internet in
error. I called Virgin Mobile Canada a few minutes later and they
refused to give me a credit.
Sometime later They changed plan in Canada about $11.00 per month and
you bought time which lasted indefinitely.
Recently I checked the internet for plans and found out again the plan
I wanted does not exist anymore and they still deduct so much for use
of the phone plus I have to buy time, which costs so much for month or
if I prepay it for the year my phone would cost me about $25.00 per
month including taxes just for sitting underneath the driver's seat.
Needless to say I immediately cancelled my service with this company,
one day before they automatically deducted the monthly fee.
I have no complaints otherwise, as I used the phone maybe once in five
months to see if it was still working.
I am now stuck with two Virgin phones and cannot sell or get rid of
them.
I would never go with Virgin again in Canada, as their service is not
inexpensive as they like you to believe.
Meteore
.
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TOPIC: $400 free online poker money (no deposit required)
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