Frugal Living: Apr 8, 2010

Thursday, April 8, 2010

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TOPIC: Deceptive car dealer advertising tactic
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:42 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <6eukr5pa3o1vubsadu73buef259lo79vc6@4ax.com>,
scottenaztlan@yahoo.com says...
> Last time on rec.autos.driving, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> said:
>
> >I did have trouble once buying a Camry that was advertised "all in stock
> >at thise price" but they did eventually agree to sell it to me when I
> >financed it. I paid it off immediately. They would not sell it to me for
> >cash.

> Hmm... I wonder who ends up losing out in that scenario? Does the
> finance company pay the stealership a "commission" or "finder's fee"
> or whatever it is they get up front, or does the stealership get a
> share of the interest paid by the borrower over time, a little bit
> every month?
>
> It would suck if the lender had to pay out several hundred bucks up
> front and then never have a chance to recoup that money because the
> borrower paid off the loan with the first payment.

Yeah-but... How often do people actually sign up for financing
and then pay off the loan in a lump sum?

--
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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 7:12 am
From: Scott in SoCal

Last time on rec.autos.driving, Coffee's For Closers
<Usenet2010@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> said:

>In article <6eukr5pa3o1vubsadu73buef259lo79vc6@4ax.com>,
>scottenaztlan@yahoo.com says...
>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> said:
>>
>> >I did have trouble once buying a Camry that was advertised "all in stock
>> >at thise price" but they did eventually agree to sell it to me when I
>> >financed it. I paid it off immediately. They would not sell it to me for
>> >cash.
>
>> Hmm... I wonder who ends up losing out in that scenario? Does the
>> finance company pay the stealership a "commission" or "finder's fee"
>> or whatever it is they get up front, or does the stealership get a
>> share of the interest paid by the borrower over time, a little bit
>> every month?
>>
>> It would suck if the lender had to pay out several hundred bucks up
>> front and then never have a chance to recoup that money because the
>> borrower paid off the loan with the first payment.
>
>Yeah-but... How often do people actually sign up for financing
>and then pay off the loan in a lump sum?

Not often, but it would be nice to be able to fuck over some asshole
stealership that refused to sell you a car for cash by stiffing them
on their cut of the finance charges.
--
The MFFY Litmus Test:
If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 4:15 pm
From: "krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"

On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 07:12:52 -0700, Scott in SoCal <scottenaztlan@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Last time on rec.autos.driving, Coffee's For Closers
><Usenet2010@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> said:
>
>>In article <6eukr5pa3o1vubsadu73buef259lo79vc6@4ax.com>,
>>scottenaztlan@yahoo.com says...
>>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, SMS <scharf.steven@geemail.com> said:
>>>
>>> >I did have trouble once buying a Camry that was advertised "all in stock
>>> >at thise price" but they did eventually agree to sell it to me when I
>>> >financed it. I paid it off immediately. They would not sell it to me for
>>> >cash.
>>
>>> Hmm... I wonder who ends up losing out in that scenario? Does the
>>> finance company pay the stealership a "commission" or "finder's fee"
>>> or whatever it is they get up front, or does the stealership get a
>>> share of the interest paid by the borrower over time, a little bit
>>> every month?
>>>
>>> It would suck if the lender had to pay out several hundred bucks up
>>> front and then never have a chance to recoup that money because the
>>> borrower paid off the loan with the first payment.
>>
>>Yeah-but... How often do people actually sign up for financing
>>and then pay off the loan in a lump sum?

We've been advised to do it when the manufacturer had financing incentives.

>Not often, but it would be nice to be able to fuck over some asshole
>stealership that refused to sell you a car for cash by stiffing them
>on their cut of the finance charges.

Dealership refusing to sell for cash? Come on! Maybe they'll not sell at the
same price because they're getting a kickback, but in reality they're simply
giving you a piece of the kickback.

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TOPIC: Unlikely event
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 4:38 am
From: Al

On Apr 8, 12:12 am, The Real Bev <bashley101...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
> Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> Far away in a strange land

I suspect most that park that way do so as a way to protect their
vehicle, which they feel is better than yours. They don't think you
can drive as carefully as they do either. Others may park that way
simply for attention. If they are way out at the back of the parking
lot where lots of empty spaces exist, I have no objection. If they
were out that far, they would not have to park sideways to protect
their vehicle.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 6:45 am
From: "Bill"

"The Real Bev" wrote in message
>I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>

Well I always say there might be two possibilities when you see an expensive
car parked in front of a mansion...

1. They are rich because it is an expensive car and house.

2. They are poor because they spent all their money on the expensive car and
house!

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 7:29 am
From: Scott in SoCal

Last time on ca.driving, Al <albundy2@mailinator.com> said:

>On Apr 8, 12:12 am, The Real Bev <bashley101...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>> Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>>
>I suspect most that park that way do so as a way to protect their
>vehicle, which they feel is better than yours. They don't think you
>can drive as carefully as they do either. Others may park that way
>simply for attention. If they are way out at the back of the parking
>lot where lots of empty spaces exist, I have no objection.

I do. The lot might have lots of empty spaces when you arrive, but it
might fill up after you park. Happens every day at places like
Disneyland.

>If they
>were out that far, they would not have to park sideways to protect
>their vehicle.

The irony is that it does not protect their vehicle, but rather
exposes it to additional harm. There are already bitter, jealous
people who will vandalize your car simply because it is nicer than
theirs; if you draw attention to your nice car by arrogantly parking
it in more than one space, you make it even more likely that one of
these disturbed people will victimze you.
--
The MFFY Litmus Test:
If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 9:59 am
From: jgar the jorrible

On Apr 8, 6:45 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "The Real Bev" wrote in message
>
> >I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
> >Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>
> Well I always say there might be two possibilities when you see an expensive
> car parked in front of a mansion...
>
> 1. They are rich because it is an expensive car and house.
>
> 2. They are poor because they spent all their money on the expensive car and
> house!

Of course, if it is at the 99-cent store, they are rich because they
are cheap! Oh sorry mcf-l, I mean frugal.

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
"Just because a couple of guys in bathrobes fry up steaks on a
Saturday night doesn't mean you should call them sick."
"If they're frying steaks you can call them rich!" - Credibility Gap
parody of Johnny Carson

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 9:22 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 04/08/2010 09:59 AM, jgar the jorrible wrote:

> On Apr 8, 6:45 am, "Bill"<billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "The Real Bev" wrote in message
>>
>> >I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>> >Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>>
>> Well I always say there might be two possibilities when you see an expensive
>> car parked in front of a mansion...
>>
>> 1. They are rich because it is an expensive car and house.
>>
>> 2. They are poor because they spent all their money on the expensive car and
>> house!
>
> Of course, if it is at the 99-cent store, they are rich because they
> are cheap! Oh sorry mcf-l, I mean frugal.

That seems like a possibility, but I would have to question why anybody with
enough brains to be frugal/cheap would be dumb enough to invest serious money
in such a car and then park it in a bad neighborhood (yeah, this store IS in a
relatively bad neighborhood) where somebody might key it or pee on it or steal
it. Suppose somebody who knows the owner stole it and then parked it there to
get even with him?

People who look down on the 99-Cents-Only Store are hopeless posers!

--
Cheers, Bev
Far away in a strange land

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 10:15 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

Last time on ca.driving, The Real Bev <bashley101+es@gmail.com> said:

>On 04/08/2010 09:59 AM, jgar the jorrible wrote:
>
>> On Apr 8, 6:45 am, "Bill"<billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "The Real Bev" wrote in message
>>>
>>> >I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>>> >Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.
>>>
>>> Well I always say there might be two possibilities when you see an expensive
>>> car parked in front of a mansion...
>>>
>>> 1. They are rich because it is an expensive car and house.
>>>
>>> 2. They are poor because they spent all their money on the expensive car and
>>> house!
>>
>> Of course, if it is at the 99-cent store, they are rich because they
>> are cheap! Oh sorry mcf-l, I mean frugal.
>
>That seems like a possibility, but I would have to question why anybody with
>enough brains to be frugal/cheap would be dumb enough to invest serious money
>in such a car and then park it in a bad neighborhood (yeah, this store IS in a
>relatively bad neighborhood) where somebody might key it or pee on it or steal
>it.

It was obviously stolen. You should have called the cops.
--
The MFFY Litmus Test:
If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

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TOPIC: Ventis secundis, tene cursum
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 7:29 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

It means "go with the flow," which seems to be a human flaw. In other
words, we have a problem with people who do like the Three Wise
Monkeys (who weren't wise after all) and pretend there's nothing to
see or do about the pitiful state of the world. Hey, REMEMBER YOUR
FELLOW CYCLISTS STRUGGLING OUT THERE!

Well, I've got this much to tell them, "Totum dependeat" (Let it all
hang out).

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure."

(I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.)

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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TOPIC: cut my insulin by 50%. I'm walking, talking, and experiencing a lot
less pain.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 7:31 am
From: cpc1243

I have been able to cut my insulin by 50%. I'm walking, talking, and
experiencing a lot less pain.
My name is Russ Miller from Arizona, and I will be 81 years old this
year. I was ready to throw in the towel. I was so stressed out with
pain and it scared me. I could not walk without a cane, or think as
sharply as I used to; things were changing every day. Since receiving
our first order of Xyngular Global Blend, Core4, and XYNG, info
news : http://www.xyngular.com/email/newsflashx10410.htm.
check in info : http://www.xyngular.com/ckinchi/

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TOPIC: O.T. is Diabetes Yin or Yang?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 8:13 am
From: "VFW"

In article <hpi8g9$sqf$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
"h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:

> "Charmin" <charmin@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:4ce1a00d-7544-47ec-8668-178a4f90442f@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 6, 10:34 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Well for a start to this perplexing problem, there is Type I and Type II
> > diabetes.
> >
>
> Type I is an actual disease (broken pancreas) whereas Type II is a lifestyle
> problem (too much sugar, not enough exercise).

And the Veterans administration has recognized that exposure to Dioxins
can be a factor in causing Type 2.
Agent Orange
--
Enjoy this moment ! Thanks. g.

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TOPIC: America's Top 50 Bike Friendly Cities --damned lies!
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 9:12 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 8, 3:54 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:

> "http://www.bicycling.com/topbikefriendlycities/home.html"

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics." -Mark Twain

Well, this map must be based on statistics, not someone marking a
point at random in the map... HOW THE HELL CAN MIAMI BE AMONG THE BEST
CITIES TO RIDE A BIKE?

And I may grant you that YES! There's quite a few bike lanes and bike
paths out there, but they are never connected. Choose any point in
Miami, say downtown Miami, and try going East or West, North or
South.

My closest path is a mixed path that goes for some mile and a half,
and it makes it quite challenging to avoid hitting dogs and kids
darting into your path. But this same path must have cost over a
million bucks and counting! It has some glaring flaws in design as
well, where the lights (some juicy contract there) blind you at night,
too many, too bright, aiming at your head.

I've been blocked from the local forums where I was addressing those
issues.* They simply don't want to hear about it. So now I'M THROWING
THE SHIT OUT TO THE WORLD...

* A couple of issues were solved, one halfway, possibly due to my
MAKING NOISE. The lights, on the other hand, were being changed the
other day for the same design because they were peeling, not because
they were blinding. Over 1,200 people have read that and still they
couldn't address the issue that affects them! But if go out to walk
your fancy dog for it to do poo-poo, what do you care about cyclists
or skaters!?

So here's the strategy: MAKE NOISE AND THROW THE SHIT!

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"You got nothing to lose but your cage!"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 9:35 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Apr 8, 9:15 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 08/04/10 7:51 AM, Kristian M Zoerhoff wrote:
>
> > On 2010-04-08, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >> "http://www.bicycling.com/topbikefriendlycities/home.html"
>
> > I was surprised* my home town (Grand Rapids, MI) made the list. I mean,
> > yeah, I used to ride a lot, but there was no real riding scene that I was
> > ever aware of, and the terrain isn't exactly flat, especially getting in
> > and out of downtown.
>
> > The coverage was pretty thin, though. I would have liked to see more links
> > to local advocacy groups and bike maps, not just peoples'"favorite rides".
>
> > [*] Pleasantly so
>
> They even admit that they tried for geographic diversity in the list
> rather than listing the actual top 50 cities. San Jose didn't make the
> list, even though it's very bicycle friendly. Silicon Valley is composed
> of a bunch of small cities under 100K population, many of which are very
> bicycle friendly (Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale, Santa Clara) and
> some of which are bicycle unfriendly (Cupertino, Milpitas).

If these are the best 50, I don't want to see the worst. Key West is
pretty good, but it's such a small location. They don't mean a thing
until all the bike paths in America lead somewhere.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 9:55 am
From: SMS

On 08/04/10 9:12 AM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 8, 3:54 am, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> "http://www.bicycling.com/topbikefriendlycities/home.html"
>
> �There are lies, damned lies and statistics.� -Mark Twain
>
> Well, this map must be based on statistics, not someone marking a
> point at random in the map... HOW THE HELL CAN MIAMI BE AMONG THE BEST
> CITIES TO RIDE A BIKE?

Having grown up in south Florida, I was amazed to see Miami as well.
Hollywood, where I lived was great though with lots of wide roads and of
course the Boardwalk where it was always a fight for bicycle access,
which they finally solved in a pretty good way by separating bicycles
and pedestrians.

> And I may grant you that YES! There's quite a few bike lanes and bike
> paths out there, but they are never connected. Choose any point in
> Miami, say downtown Miami, and try going East or West, North or
> South.

Well in Miami you also have to be very careful where you go.

> My closest path is a mixed path that goes for some mile and a half,
> and it makes it quite challenging to avoid hitting dogs and kids
> darting into your path. But this same path must have cost over a
> million bucks and counting! It has some glaring flaws in design as
> well, where the lights (some juicy contract there) blind you at night,
> too many, too bright, aiming at your head.

Yes, and the problem with those multi-use paths is that they're used as
an excuse to not make roads that go to the same places safe for
bicycles, or in some cases they are used as alternatives to roads. We
had to fight like crazy to get bicycles allowed on expressways (not
freeways), which are about the safest place to ride. The opposition was
just insane, they got the PTA to come out against it.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 10:37 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Apr 8, 9:55 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 08/04/10 9:12 AM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>
> > On Apr 8, 3:54 am, SMS<scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "http://www.bicycling.com/topbikefriendlycities/home.html"
>
> > There are lies, damned lies and statistics. -Mark Twain
>
> > Well, this map must be based on statistics, not someone marking a
> > point at random in the map... HOW THE HELL CAN MIAMI BE AMONG THE BEST
> > CITIES TO RIDE A BIKE?
>
> Having grown up in south Florida, I was amazed to see Miami as well.
> Hollywood, where I lived was great though with lots of wide roads and of
> course the Boardwalk where it was always a fight for bicycle access,
> which they finally solved in a pretty good way by separating bicycles
> and pedestrians.

Boardwalk, great but crowded. Pedestrians still wander into the path.

But this new one has wavy lines making it impossible to separate
anyone. They even act as a catch for skate wheels. That's one of the
flaws. Besides they allow dogs on it.

>
> > And I may grant you that YES! There's quite a few bike lanes and bike
> > paths out there, but they are never connected. Choose any point in
> > Miami, say downtown Miami, and try going East or West, North or
> > South.
>
> Well in Miami you also have to be very careful where you go.

If you go into Overtown just 2 blocks away... the jungle, huh?

>
> > My closest path is a mixed path that goes for some mile and a half,
> > and it makes it quite challenging to avoid hitting dogs and kids
> > darting into your path. But this same path must have cost over a
> > million bucks and counting! It has some glaring flaws in design as
> > well, where the lights (some juicy contract there) blind you at night,
> > too many, too bright, aiming at your head.
>
> Yes, and the problem with those multi-use paths is that they're used as
> an excuse to not make roads that go to the same places safe for
> bicycles, or in some cases they are used as alternatives to roads. We
> had to fight like crazy to get bicycles allowed on expressways (not
> freeways), which are about the safest place to ride. The opposition was
> just insane, they got the PTA to come out against it.

The people who don't ride bikes, simply don't care. And those who do
just follow the path assigned to them.

But perhaps it was all a prank about Miami. ;)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 1:07 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 8, 12:49 pm, "JOHN" <nos...@invalid.com> wrote:
> "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a33fd82a-2d20-4943-b674-8ec24efa34b8@y14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 8, 3:54 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> Bicycles are targets
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRmDvUtxrJQVOLUTION

They seem to be doing better than many sheep who have a "license to
kill"...

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 11:14 am
From: me@privacy.net

Hi all...

I have never owned a sleeping bag but wanted a decent
one for car camping..... NOT backpacking (least not
yet).

I bought a Sleep Cell bag from Costco in size XL.....
dims are 40 inches wide x 90 inches long.

Now I'm wondering if I should get smaller one? Just
get size "large"?

I am man 50 years old 5' 10" tall and 200 lbs. How
should one "size" a sleeping bag for me for car
camping?

I see that large size is something like 34 inch wide 80
inch long.

Bottom line.... which size is best for me? I want room
especially width wise but don't want a bunch of
material and fabric length wise (just more hassle to
pack)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 12:16 pm
From: Jeff Thies

me@privacy.net wrote:
> Hi all...
>
> I have never owned a sleeping bag but wanted a decent
> one for car camping..... NOT backpacking (least not
> yet).
>
> I bought a Sleep Cell bag from Costco in size XL.....
> dims are 40 inches wide x 90 inches long.

I had no idea bags came 90" long. There's a good bit online about Sleep
Cell, new to me, you should read up. As far as the size, considering
it's a big big mummy, several inches taller than yourself should suffice.

Try out your jumbo bag (bear in mind getting it back in the wrapper). As
always, YMMV. If you do go backpacking, you'll want a completely
different bag anyways. Toting that around is a haul.

Jeff
>
> Now I'm wondering if I should get smaller one? Just
> get size "large"?
>
> I am man 50 years old 5' 10" tall and 200 lbs. How
> should one "size" a sleeping bag for me for car
> camping?
>
> I see that large size is something like 34 inch wide 80
> inch long.
>
> Bottom line.... which size is best for me? I want room
> especially width wise but don't want a bunch of
> material and fabric length wise (just more hassle to
> pack)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 1:14 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

>I had no idea bags came 90" long. There's a good bit online about Sleep
>Cell, new to me, you should read up. As far as the size, considering
>it's a big big mummy, several inches taller than yourself should suffice.

Yeah Sleep Cell seems to be a low cost brand but the
bag itself seems well enough made especially for what I
want to do with it which is car and RV camping, staying
at friends house etc. It only cost $30 at Costco!

I decided it would be best for me to get a low cost bag
for that purpose and if I do start backpacking or
something get a separate higher quality bag for that.

I'm sure a bag 80 inches long (and not 90 inches like
current one) would work fine.... but the shorter bags
also have smaller widths.... almost 6 inches
smaller..... and I do need the width!

>Try out your jumbo bag (bear in mind getting it back in the wrapper). As
>always, YMMV. If you do go backpacking, you'll want a completely
>different bag anyways. Toting that around is a haul.

Costco is very good abt taking anything back... no
problem there!

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TOPIC: If there had been... --play it safe or die!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 12:34 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 8, 2:10 pm, Giga2 <justho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 8 Apr, 15:24, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

> > People are to believe anything that keep their tanks full of fuel, I
> > think.
>
> It very similar to this AGW thing. We are exposed to constant
> programming by the media. We don't have the time or inclination to
> investigate everything. Its taken me months of quite hard research to
> come to some conclusions about AGW. Before I started looking into it I
> was fairly sure the standard drivel was correct. Why not. All the
> 'authorities' we expect to be able to trust are on the side of AGW, or
> were. But the truth, which really is the only authority that counts,
> isn't on that side IMO.

OK, let's put something spicy as a metaphor. You meet someone like...

http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/IMG/cache-800x533/tina-grant-sexy-girl-800x533.jpg

And she says, "I'm all yours, but you must f!@# without the condom."
What would you do?

Well, you play it safe and say "no," right?

It's like Climate Change, PLAY IT SAFE & RIDE A BIKE OR SOMETHING!

I hope I made my point. ;)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 1:37 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

Like I said, cyclists are a threat to "civilization," so expect tough
opposition and even attacks from the lions of the jungle...

(shocking video!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7wnBoWOfAU

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 8 2010 7:06 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

Well, I don't mean appointing Germans to run the healthcare system,
but everything they do seems to please everything I hear from both the
Right and the Left in America!

"Germany has Europe's oldest universal health care system, with
origins dating back to Otto von Bismarck's Social legislation, which
included the Health Insurance Bill of 1883, Accident Insurance Bill of
1884, and Old Age and Disability Insurance Bill of 1889. As mandatory
health insurance, these bills originally applied only to low-income
workers and certain government employees; their coverage, and that of
subsequent legislation gradually expanded to cover virtually the
entire population.[2]

Currently 85% of the population is covered by a basic health insurance
plan provided by statute, which provides a standard level of coverage.
The remainder opt for private health insurance, which frequently
offers additional benefits. According to the World Health
Organization, Germany's health care system was 77% government-funded
and 23% privately funded as of 2004.[3]

The government partially reimburses the costs for low-wage workers,
whose premiums are capped at a predetermined value. Higher wage
workers pay a premium based on their salary. They may also opt for
private insurance, which is generally more expensive"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Germany

***

And while at it, they can help us with the present state of anarchy on
our roads. I hear it's quite fun to drive there! Actually they have
pretty good bike lanes too, so let the "Germanification" begin. (Is
that a word?)

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"Non illegitimus carborundum."

(Don't let the bastards grind you down.)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 6 2010 11:54 pm
From: sam

hello

i guess that we should deploy the remote monitoring of the 3g with great attention.
it is also worth detailing that it should be useful to try to integrate the customizing of the 3g with brand-new techniques.
could you detail the way to benchmark camera customizing without 3g processing?

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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 2:37 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
> On Apr 7, 1:46 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit wrote:
>>> I made a quick dash for freedom today... I went to the supermarket
>>> and back on foot! Almost heroic. No incidents with traffic, but a
>>> lot of rough people, crazy people, drunks and homeless. Not a pretty
>>> picture, for sure. What can I say, "I'm alive!"
>>
>> Pity about that.
>>
>>> Notice this is NOT the deep jungle, nor is the total desert devoid
>>> of people that prevails almost everywhere, just a bit intimidating
>>> or depressing. Drivers feel emboldened enough though to blast
>>> the horn, cutting you off and taking aim at you, sometimes
>>> shouting at you just for slowing them down --at the light!
>>
>> They should just run you over and stop you doing stuff like that.
>
> Beware! Do not tease the monkey....
>
> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjkyOFyj0mnKo5C9F5VY-yItRxTvq1aEfocPWNhzTdWMjxJCuUKlxDls4ok35_sCeVX9fonbiuTD7FUjQdBQQHXvlGSfMLjgLF1pCFCRQitENDQRU6TVnN3IcbNuPrB5VA7ie7MvWQJPqU/s400/throwing+shit.jpg

Fat lot of good that will do you apechild.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 5:46 am
From: SMS

On 06/04/10 7:49 PM, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
> They slow down traffic, and make those drivers in SUVs momentarily
> lose the thread of the conversation, which could result in business
> loses or worse, that that they spill the coffee!

You're absolutely right. My daughter is just starting to drive and I
asked her if she knew why you shouldn't drink and drive. She started
giving me statistics on blood alcohol levels, and I had to interrupt her
and say, "no, no, that's not what I mean." I explained that the real
reason you shouldn't drink and drive is that you might go over a bump
and spill your drink. Distractions like bicycles could have similar
result, and the last thing you want is coffee staining the carpet or
upholstery.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 8:20 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Apr 7, 5:46 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 06/04/10 7:49 PM, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote:
>
> > They slow down traffic, and make those drivers in SUVs momentarily
> > lose the thread of the conversation, which could result in business
> > loses or worse, that that they spill the coffee!
>
> You're absolutely right. My daughter is just starting to drive and I
> asked her if she knew why you shouldn't drink and drive. She started
> giving me statistics on blood alcohol levels, and I had to interrupt her
> and say, "no, no, that's not what I mean." I explained that the real
> reason you shouldn't drink and drive is that you might go over a bump
> and spill your drink. Distractions like bicycles could have similar
> result, and the last thing you want is coffee staining the carpet or
> upholstery.

I thought she would be disappointed at you not to teaching her
MULTITASKING while driving. Is she ready to be a SOCCER MOM with an
SUV?

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 8:54 am
From: SMS

On 07/04/10 8:20 AM, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu

<snip>

> I thought she would be disappointed at you not to teaching her
> MULTITASKING while driving. Is she ready to be a SOCCER MOM with an
> SUV?

Hopefully not.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:28 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Apr 7, 8:54 am, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 07/04/10 8:20 AM, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu
>
> <snip>
>
> > I thought she would be disappointed at you not to teaching her
> > MULTITASKING while driving. Is she ready to be a SOCCER MOM with an
> > SUV?
>
> Hopefully not.

Well, then you may have to teach her that while soccer moms may be
good protective mothers (protected by that much tonnage), they are
also antisocial and dangerous.

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:38 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 7, 9:26 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:57:28 -0700, TibetanMonkey, Originator of the

> > I see what you mean. But to face those alpha apes, you'd need a Toyota
> > Land Crusher, not a Corolla.
>
> I find it easier to just avoid the apes than to confront them. The whole
> social dominance via driving ritual is just one of the strangest thing
> that hew-mons do. Like, this Lexus car. It's just a very expensive Toyota
> Corolla. No bones about it, it's made by Toyota. Change the name, slap a
> new logo on it, and hew-mons pay twice as much for essentially the same
> utility. That's just strange.
>
> Or as you say, the SUV. Alpha Ape indeed! You have that right. Out right
> physical dominance. No one in their right mind would get one of those
> monster cars to haul around a fat ape ass. With the money saved from not
> driving such a car they could rent a truck for their occasional excessive
> hauling needs.
>
> > Then it defeats the purpose to save a few bucks on Toyota when America
> > offers the best Supersized Unnecessary Vehicles. I don't think Toyota
> > can make you the King of the Jungle like a Hummer or F-350.
>
> True. It's the "jungle" part that I find disturbing.

The jungle part is created (or allowed to run its course) so that
people are "driven" into ever bigger vehicles... Remember the basic
law of the jungle? BIGGER IS BETTER.

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 9:42 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 7, 8:45 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

> MONEY & OIL? You are correct bet. I'll bet you would be one of those
> screaming the loudest if the production of Mid East oil was cut off and gas
> went to $9 a gallon, however. LOL

What a scary thought! You may be riding bikes, scooters and driving
Smarts instead of boring Toyotas.

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:35 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 7, 10:24 am, sagetea <eamon.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 12:44 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

> > What a scary thought! You may be riding bikes, scooters and driving
> > Smarts instead of boring Toyotas.
>
> When the people of China and India all have automobiles, expect oil
> to become very expensive, if people do not change their tactics. The
> new upcoming thing will be algae bio-diesel.
> An algae pond optimized can produce close to 100,000 gallons of fuel
> per acre/yearly. Once this technology becomes more common then war for
> oil will become a thing of the past.
> Until then duck and cover.

I thought bananas would be the future... Yes, you get 3 miles per
banana on a bicycle, plus they taste great. Of course, you can use any
other foodstuff, but the point is that we should drop a few tons of
weight in order to get efficient. How many miles per banana on a car?
1 block.

I got the numbers from the Giant bike brochure.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 11:19 am
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 7, 1:46 pm, jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 11:03 pm, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > They slow down traffic, and make those drivers in SUVs momentarily
> > lose the thread of the conversation, which could result in business
> > loses or worse, that that they spill the coffee!
>
> > I've almost been run over at the light several times, and stay away
> > from the bicycle, but I understand the potential consequences of my
> > dangerous activities.
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Never trust a Christian behind the wheel"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> A texting motorist in an SUV has every right to vent his hostilities
> at bicyclists and pedestrians. Here in my neck of the woods these
> road clutterers which victimize vehicular traffic are run down every
> few days, carried off, and quickly interred.
>
> I did notice a diametrically contrary philosophy in Southern
> California. One day I was riding the paved bike trail along the
> Pacific Ocean from Hermosa Beach to Santa Monica. Near Marina Del Ray
> and Venice you have to cross the street a few times, and the signs
> require motorists to yield right-of-way, a curious phenomenon which
> would have caused bloody rebellions among our alpha motorists here in
> Western North Carolina. A woman in a jalopy bearing an Oklahoma tag
> honked at me as I pedaled across the street in front of her, slowing
> her down. Whereupon, I boldly threw up my middle finger at her... and
> pumped it. Some kids along the sidewalk saw and yelled, "Good for
> you!" Yes, they were talking to me, not the Okie.
>
> Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't have stayed in Hermosa Beach.

Hermosa Beach means "beautiful beach." Yep, I'm afraid you went to the
wrong place if you are not a top predator. ;)

Besides, I lived in LA I can tell you the drivers there are mostly
civilized and give you right of way. You still no see no bikes on the
road, but you are OK as a pedestrian.

One of the mottoes of the revolution is "Life's a beach," so
everything comes together for a reason. ;)

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 3:27 pm
From: SMS

On 07/04/10 11:19 AM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
> Hermosa Beach means "beautiful beach." Yep, I'm afraid you went to the
> wrong place if you are not a top predator. ;)
>
> Besides, I lived in LA I can tell you the drivers there are mostly
> civilized and give you right of way. You still no see no bikes on the
> road, but you are OK as a pedestrian.
>
> One of the mottoes of the revolution is "Life's a beach," so
> everything comes together for a reason. ;)

The first time I went to southern California I visited an old college
roommate that lived in Huntington Beach. We were walking along the PCH
(CA 1) in Huntington Beach and he said, "watch this." He stepped off the
sidewalk as if he were about to cross the street, and all the traffic
immediately stopped. This was in 1979. I'm not sure if the drivers still
behave the same way.

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 7:07 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

On Apr 7, 6:27 pm, SMS <scharf.ste...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 07/04/10 11:19 AM, TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit
>
> > Hermosa Beach means "beautiful beach." Yep, I'm afraid you went to the
> > wrong place if you are not a top predator. ;)
>
> > Besides, I lived in LA I can tell you the drivers there are mostly
> > civilized and give you right of way. You still no see no bikes on the
> > road, but you are OK as a pedestrian.
>
> > One of the mottoes of the revolution is "Life's a beach," so
> > everything comes together for a reason. ;)
>
> The first time I went to southern California I visited an old college
> roommate that lived in Huntington Beach. We were walking along the PCH
> (CA 1) in Huntington Beach and he said, "watch this." He stepped off the
> sidewalk as if he were about to cross the street, and all the traffic
> immediately stopped. This was in 1979. I'm not sure if the drivers still
> behave the same way.

Yep, the highest form of civilization (respect for pedestrians) and
primitive behavior (gangs) happen in the same location. And it was the
latter that made me move. ;)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 8:31 am
From: "h"

"Charmin" <charmin@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:4ce1a00d-7544-47ec-8668-178a4f90442f@r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 6, 10:34 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Well for a start to this perplexing problem, there is Type I and Type II
> diabetes.
>

Type I is an actual disease (broken pancreas) whereas Type II is a lifestyle
problem (too much sugar, not enough exercise).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 6:23 pm
From: "h"

"Cindy Hamilton" <angelicapaganelli@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:df1f3832-d1ce-4409-92a1-6884015c6143@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 5, 10:05 pm, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:

>What I could never figure out is that if you could afford $600 a
> month for a car payment, why on earth wouldn't you just take the bus for a
> few months, save up $2k and buy a beater?

>>Not everybody lives where there are buses. I don't. Well, I'd have
>>to walk
>>2.4 miles out of my 4.8-mile commute to get to a bus stop. No
>>sidewalks for
>>a good portion of the way, on roads that have 45-mph speed limits,
>>which
>>means that people do 55 mph or more. Winter weather.

>>But mainly, not everybody can do the math.

Wow! Are we neighbors?
I work at home now, but I'm 4.5 miles from the nearest bus stop, 5 miles
from the nearest store. Ironically, there's a gas station within 1 mile
(walking distance). I have spent a few weeks (M-F) without a car and had to
plan all my errands on the weekend when a car was available, but that was a
few years ago when DH had out of town contracts. His last long-term contract
5 years ago prompted me to replace the car I had sold when I started working
from home. 5 days is just too long to be housebound.

That said, even if I had to take cabs to run my errands I couldn't possibly
spend $600 month on cab fare. Hell, you could spend $30 a day on cab fare 5
days a week (commute) and still come out ahead over spending $600 a month on
a car payment. Apparently those sub-prime buyers forgot about insurance,
repairs, registration, etc.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 6:37 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu"

This article proposes green sex, which means that cyclists are hot,
and SUV drivers are losers in the dating game. I hope it happens soon
enough...

On Apr 7, 9:01 pm, "NO,Z OB" <d...@vvv.com> wrote:
> Ten green sex sins that can sabotage your love life
>
> April 7 2010
>
> Beware the following don'ts, and you'll be doing it all night long...
>
> Sin: Courting by car
>
> Why drive for miles to meet up with your lover? Take public transportation
> to your rendezvous point and go for a long, sensual walk to get your juices
> flowing.
>
> Or think beyond the steel steering box and turn on your soon-to-be lover
> with a hike or a bike ride. Way to work up a sweat.
>
> Sin: Poison perfume
>
> Synthetic fragrances are so not sexy, baby. What if your bottle of Poison
> really were poison for your body and the environment? Most perfumes are
> derived from petroleum, and some contain potential neurotoxins.
>
> Opt for DIY alternatives made from organic essential oils. Vanilla, rose and
> cinnamon turn guys on; the ladies dig vetiver and cedarwood.
>
> Sin: Eating unsustainable chocolate
>
> Chocolate, legendary among lovers, is known for its powerful effects on
> libido. But don't give your beloved a box of truffles unless they're organic
> and fair trade certified.
>
> Conventional cacao farming is notorious for unsafe working conditions, lack
> of sustainability and below-poverty wages. Not sexy!
>
> Sin: Ditching birth control
>
> Climate change is the last thing you want to think about in the heat of the
> moment. But if you forget (or choose not to use) birth control, you're
> risking more than an itchy, embarrassing STD.
>
> Babies are adorable, but all those gurgling genetic replicas can be major
> carbon sins. Each one of those "extra" children adds 9,441 metric tons of
> carbon to the planet.
>
> So wrap it up with a natural latex, fair-trade condom from Sir Richards or
> French Letter Condoms, and toss it in the garbage post-coitus. Flushing
> pollutes waterways and kills marine life.
>
> Sin: Aphrodisiacs courtesy of Big Agra
>
> If you've seen Food Inc. or read anything by Michael Pollan, you know that
> our food system is making us all sick and obese. When preparing a meal to
> ensure a little sumthin' sumthin', choose organic, local and fair-trade
> products.
>
> Whether you're using artichokes, saffron, or ginger (to seduce a woman), or
> cinnamon, grapes, or peaches (to seduce a man), you'll go further if you get
> it fresh.
>
> Sin: Sleeping with the enemy
>
> You may keep your sheets squeaky clean, but unless your bed is made from
> sustainable materials, it's a very, very dirty place to be (and not in a
> good way). Conventional mattresses are made from polyurethane and dipped in
> a bath of frightening chemicals that should be nowhere near your body's
> mucous membranes.
>
> Luckily, there are natural latex alternatives that will have you sleeping
> and sexing blissfully. Cuddle up with Savvy Rest, European Sleepworks, or
> Keetsa mattresses.
>
> Sin: Inviting Big Pharma into your boudoir
>
> Whether it's for recreation or perceived need, you should probably leave the
> Viagra in the bathroom cabinet (or even better, behind the pharmacist's
> counter). Most "sexual dysfunction" can be traced back to diet, lack of
> exercise, or toxic environmental conditions.
>
> Try going vegan, eating raw, or starting a yoga regimen before you reach for
> the little blue pill. If you must use a sexual aide, try horny goat weed, an
> herb that's thought to help with erectile dysfunction.
>
> Sin: Toxic sex toys
>
> Do play with toys -- just make sure they're safe and sustainable.
> Conventional toys, especially those made before 2000, are likely to contain
> phthalates, chemical plasticizers that are carcinogenic and particularly
> dangerous when used in warm, moist areas of the body. Do the "smell test" to
> determine if toys are safe. "New car smell" is a dead giveaway that a vibe
> or dildo isn't one that you want in your night table drawer (or anywhere
> near you, for that matter).
>
> Check out new toys from Jimmyjane, an online purveyor of beautifully
> designed toys with a small environmental footprint but a huge, ahem, impact.
>
> Sin: Tainted lube
>
> All lube is not created equal. Check labels before getting slippery. Avoid
> petroleum products, parabens, and even glycerin, a ubiquitous ingredient in
> conventional personal lubricants.
>
> Yes Yes Yes and Firefly Organics are both excellent alternatives to KY, the
> old standby. Coming out after Earth Day 2010 is a new brand of lube called
> Intimate Ecology. This brilliant product from HERBOLOGIE contains yogurt
> bioferment, so say buh-bye to yeast infections, ladies.
>
> Sin: Talking about toxins instead of talking dirty
>
> There's a time and a place for everything. Don't be an environmental
> schoolmarm when you're about to do the deed. Your lover doesn't want to be
> lectured while naked (unless he or she is into that).
>
> Do all your research, DIY projects, and shopping beforehand so you can be
> totally spontaneous, like every good little eco-sexual should be.
>
> http://www.ethiopianreview.com/news/58662
>
> Warmest Regards
>
> Bon_0
>
> "It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
> US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
> worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
> from natural variation."
>
> Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville

Awesome! It is in bed that the future generations are made. And
bringing some organic bananas to your first date would be a good way
to introduce her to the subject.

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 7:08 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <7eefd720-68cd-4ee1-aa6f-a0fd00e09175@11g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote in small part:

>This article proposes green sex, which means that cyclists are hot,
>and SUV drivers are losers in the dating game. I hope it happens soon
>enough...
>
>On Apr 7, 9:01 pm, "NO,Z OB" <d...@vvv.com> wrote:
>> Ten green sex sins that can sabotage your love life

>> Sin: Tainted lube
>>
>> All lube is not created equal. Check labels before getting slippery. Avoid
>> petroleum products, parabens, and even glycerin, a ubiquitous
>> ingredient in conventional personal lubricants.

What's wrong with glycerin? It normally exists in the body as a result
of digesting fats, including vegetable ones, or even burning off excess
body fat. Fats are generally combinations of a glycerin molecule and
three fatty acid molecules. Fats get broken into free fatty acids and
glycerin before being metabolized further. The fatty acids and glycerin
do float around in the bloodstream, since at least some of this breakdown
is done in the small intestine to aid absorption.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 7:20 pm
From: "TibetanMonkey, the-Monkey-with-the-Bag-of-Shit"

On Apr 7, 10:08 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <7eefd720-68cd-4ee1-aa6f-a0fd00e09...@11g2000yqr.googlegroups.com>,
> TibetanMonkey, Originator of the Banana Kung-Fu wrote in small part:
>
> >This article proposes green sex, which means that cyclists are hot,
> >and SUV drivers are losers in the dating game. I hope it happens soon
> >enough...
>
> >On Apr 7, 9:01 pm, "NO,Z OB" <d...@vvv.com> wrote:
> >> Ten green sex sins that can sabotage your love life
>
> <SNIP a bunch including getting on the chemophobic side>
>
> >> Sin: Tainted lube
>
> >> All lube is not created equal. Check labels before getting slippery. Avoid
> >> petroleum products, parabens, and even glycerin, a ubiquitous
> >> ingredient in conventional personal lubricants.
>
> <SNIP from here>
>
> What's wrong with glycerin? It normally exists in the body as a result
> of digesting fats, including vegetable ones, or even burning off excess
> body fat. Fats are generally combinations of a glycerin molecule and
> three fatty acid molecules. Fats get broken into free fatty acids and
> glycerin before being metabolized further. The fatty acids and glycerin
> do float around in the bloodstream, since at least some of this breakdown
> is done in the small intestine to aid absorption.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

It may turn out totally unnecessary if there's enough foreplay.

Mention that foreplay is important for the planet.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:12 pm
From: The Real Bev

I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.

--
Cheers, Bev
Far away in a strange land

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 7 2010 10:35 pm
From: Scott in SoCal

Last time on ca.driving, The Real Bev <bashley101+es@gmail.com> said:

>I stopped at the 99-Cents-Only Store today. When I came out there was a
>Boxster in the parking lot -- taking up two spaces, of course.

Did you key it? :)
--
The MFFY Litmus Test:
If your maneuver forces another driver WHO HAS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY
to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY.

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