Frugal Living: Jan 7, 2008

Monday, January 7, 2008

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Donation Question
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ede7dc79ef5b9e1e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 4:26 pm
From: "Jerry Boswell"

"John Weiss" <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:AsWdnfNLDOOSBBzanZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d@comcast.com...

> Charities who solicit donations and professional solicitors hired by
> charities all have legitimate administrative costs. Whether they are
> credit card fees or hiring someone to take checks to the bank, they should
> remain outside the consideration of the donor.

Thanks for your common-sense comments; all this hand-wringing about credit
card costs seems a bit much. If the charity decides to accept credit card
donations, they've obviously decided that they're coming out money ahead by
doing so despite the cost involved.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 4:29 pm
From: "Jerry Boswell"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:y4ednRiHcZKAvRzanZ2dnUVZ_tudnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Dawn wrote:
>> Hello to the group,
>> If I make a donation to a non-profit charity using a credit card, does
>> the charity pay the credit card fees? Dawn, who so far just writes
>> checks.
>
> Absolutely, thats why the CC companies do all of the marketing because
> they want to insert themselves into every financial transaction.
>
> What I do for charitable contributions is buy those $0.39 money orders and
> scribble my name on them. The charity gets the full value and there is no
> possibly my name will end up on some solicitation list because they don't
> know who I am.

No, but they also can't provide you with proof that you've donated the
amount you claim if you itemize and if you're ever audited.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 6:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Jerry Boswell <jboss@gmail.com> wrote
> John Weiss <jrweiss98155NOSPAM@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote

>> Charities who solicit donations and professional solicitors hired by
>> charities all have legitimate administrative costs. Whether they are
>> credit card fees or hiring someone to take checks to the bank, they
>> should remain outside the consideration of the donor.

> Thanks for your common-sense comments; all this hand-wringing about credit card costs seems a bit much.

Your lies about hand wringing in spades. ALL the OP was
asking about was what delivers the most cash to the charity.

> If the charity decides to accept credit card donations, they've obviously decided that they're coming out money ahead
> by doing so despite the cost involved.

But that also involves the difference between getting the money
for sure by getting the card details from the individual and the
risk that they wont get around to posting a check etc too.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:33 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:
> Why don't people just take the envelope, put a large address label over
> the charity's address, and write the new address on that?

That's exactly what I've done on at least one occasion. The self-addressed
stamped envelope wasn't from a charity, I don't think, but it was the same
idea either way.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Best frugal technology deal you've gotten
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/432b1da46fece658?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 4:43 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 4, 5:36 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
> months?
>
> For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples for
> $8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of them, to
> replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.

Stumbled upon these Sony VRD-MC3 DVD recorders (mostly to record my
analog VHS tapes to DVD) at Sam's Club for $99.81 (MSRP is about
$299). Bought one for me and one for my brother. No PC needed; has a
little LCD screen on it.

Other recent "deals" though they pale in comparison to yours was about
10 USB 512MB flash drives I got at Target on clearance for $4.99 each;
made for nice stocking stuffers.

My favorite tech deal was the 50 cent Kodak "instant" camera I bought
at a silent auction about 20 years ago; I was able to turn that 50
cents into $50 because of a class action lawsuit; got $50 worth of
Kodak product vouchers...got ton's o' batteries with it.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 4:45 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jan 7, 2:02 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> > "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote innews:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org:
>
> >> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
> >> months?
>
> >> For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples
> >> for
> >> $8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of
> >> them, to replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.
>
> > Free iPod from Key Bank.
>
> My best frugal technology purchase [not 'deal'..because I paid the going
> rate] was an Asus eeepc that I got for Christmas.
>
> My old laptop was on it's last legs so I went for the eeepc. I am in
> love with this thing. And I am finally taking the Linux leap.
>
> The only thing that I wish I could find is a cheap way to connect a
> pcmcia Verizon card to USB. Any ideas out there?
>
> ..PC

Isn't there a PCMCIA to USB adapter? I'm pretty sure I saw one
recently...check on frys.com .

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 6:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 7, 2:02 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote innews:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org:
>>
>>>> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
>>>> months?
>>
>>>> For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples
>>>> for
>>>> $8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of
>>>> them, to replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.
>>
>>> Free iPod from Key Bank.
>>
>> My best frugal technology purchase [not 'deal'..because I paid the
>> going rate] was an Asus eeepc that I got for Christmas.
>>
>> My old laptop was on it's last legs so I went for the eeepc. I am in
>> love with this thing. And I am finally taking the Linux leap.

>> The only thing that I wish I could find is a cheap way to
>> connect a pcmcia Verizon card to USB. Any ideas out there?

> Isn't there a PCMCIA to USB adapter?

Yes, but it wont do what he wants to do.

> I'm pretty sure I saw one recently...check on frys.com .

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:24 pm
From: "zcarenow@yahoo.com"

On Jan 7, 8:30 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 7, 2:02 pm, pc <p...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> >> Gordon wrote:
> >>> "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote innews:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org:
>
> >>>> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
> >>>> months?
>
> >>>> For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples
> >>>> for
> >>>> $8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of
> >>>> them, to replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.
>
> >>> Free iPod from Key Bank.
>
> >> My best frugal technology purchase [not 'deal'..because I paid the
> >> going rate] was an Asus eeepc that I got for Christmas.
>
> >> My old laptop was on it's last legs so I went for the eeepc. I am in
> >> love with this thing. And I am finally taking the Linux leap.
> >> The only thing that I wish I could find is a cheap way to
> >> connect a pcmcia Verizon card to USB. Any ideas out there?
> > Isn't there a PCMCIA to USB adapter?
>
> Yes, but it wont do what he wants to do.
>
> > I'm pretty sure I saw one recently...check on frys.com .

A 42" Olevia HDTV LCD 1080p for $650 which included coupon and rebate
from Micro Center.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 10:16 pm
From: "Tockk"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org...
> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
> months?

A USB-to-Ouija board adaptor. Now my PC can tell the future.
-Tock

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 10:32 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Tockk wrote:
> "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fllcpc$f0h$1@aioe.org...

>> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
>> months?

> A USB-to-Ouija board adaptor. Now my PC can tell the future.

If it really works, can I borrow it? I have some online stock trading
I want to do.

- Logan

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TOPIC: burt's bees sold to CLOROX
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 5:53 pm
From: val189

On Jan 7, 1:55 pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:c5tgj.1330$K%6.1104@trndny04...
>
> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
> > > better start reading the labels.
>
> > >http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?conten...
>
> > they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate, i
> > think.
>
> Great, so now we'll be literally forced to brush our teeth with a
> known carcinogen (sodium laurel sulfate). Burt's was one of
> the last remaining remnants of morality in the U.S. market.

baking soda, salt - definitely frugal, too.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 6:58 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:37e735d4-f6c6-4699-b8d1-f2c153d7b6a8@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 7, 1:55 pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:c5tgj.1330$K%6.1104@trndny04...
>>
>> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
>> > > better start reading the labels.
>>
>> > >http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?conten...
>>
>> > they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to
>> > colgate, i
>> > think.
>>
>> Great, so now we'll be literally forced to brush our teeth with a
>> known carcinogen (sodium laurel sulfate). Burt's was one of
>> the last remaining remnants of morality in the U.S. market.
>
> baking soda, salt - definitely frugal, too.

the dentist told me that baking soda is too abrasive to be used daily.
didn't ask about salt.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:38 pm
From: Gene S. Berkowitz

In article <1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03>, derjda@hotmail.com says...
> better start reading the labels.
>
> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1

Considering that the sale was announced on 31-Oct-2007, that probably
won't make much difference.

--Gene

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TOPIC: Chinese Exports Safe
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 5:58 pm
From: val189

Rave on .....I won't be convinced.

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TOPIC: Flashlights and LED Upgrades
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/71b56bde90a3c044?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 6:20 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <affdd401-13eb-4d71-8f44-d7fa0a5b805a@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com>,
Blade wrote:

>(In short, various LED flashlight/upgrade products)

There is now an LED "retrofit bulb" for 3-D-cell Mag lights. I just saw
that today at Sears. It appears to me to be similar to the LED assembly
in the 3-AA Mag rather than the Nite Ize products that I have seen before.

I am somewhat impressed by the 3-AA LED Mag, which I have seen at Sears
and Target.

I am impressed by the light output of Dorcy LED flashlights with LEDs of
at least 1 watt. The ones that I have tried have LED current varying
greatly with battery voltage, but they do appear to me to be good at
"stretching out" batteries that are getting low. They should work better
and more evenly (though with not as much of the spectacular initial
brightness) with rechargeable batteries.

NOTE - flashlights deployed in locations where they are used infrequently
and will be needed for emergencies should have non-rechargeable batteries,
since rechargeable ones self-discharge faster!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 8:14 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <26ecd974-b5ca-4a55-9654-2622af936f9b@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
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TOPIC: Inexpensive way to remove oil stains from concrete driveway?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 8:19 pm
From: "zcarenow@yahoo.com"

My old car had leaked oil on the driveway over a period of 2 yrs. How
do i remove the oil stains without getting a costly power washer? Are
there household detergents or solvents i can use. The stain is about 3
long and 2 feet wide. Thanks.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:20 pm
From: sdiwc2

On Jan 7, 9:19 pm, "zcare...@yahoo.com" <zcare...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My old car had leaked oil on the driveway over a period of 2 yrs. How
> do i remove the oil stains without getting a costly power washer? Are
> there household detergents or solvents i can use. The stain is about 3
> long and 2 feet wide. Thanks.

Buy some powder Tide detergent. Sprinkle heavly on oil stain and let
it set. It will soak up of the excess oil. After it has set for a
hour or so shovel up the the oil soaked tide. Sprinkle another very
light layer and scrub with a broom. Then hose it off.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:54 pm
From: Logan Shaw

zcarenow@yahoo.com wrote:
> My old car had leaked oil on the driveway over a period of 2 yrs. How
> do i remove the oil stains without getting a costly power washer? Are
> there household detergents or solvents i can use. The stain is about 3
> long and 2 feet wide. Thanks.

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Seems to (I *think*) work with your garden hose, and it's available
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- Logan

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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 10:19 pm
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TOPIC: Request a FREE Click Fastener Sample Pack
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 8:36 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

better start reading the labels.

http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 8:48 am
From: val189

On Jan 7, 11:36 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> better start reading the labels.
>
> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?conten...

Uh-oh - this is where the quality starts to slide...I'd better get out
there and load up on the current products on los shelvos.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:13 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
> better start reading the labels.
>
> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1

they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate, i
think.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:32 am
From: Jeff

AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
>> better start reading the labels.
>>
>> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
>
> they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate, i
> think.
>
>
Is that any of your bees wax?

Jeff

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 10:55 am
From:

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c5tgj.1330$K%6.1104@trndny04...
>
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
> > better start reading the labels.
> >
> > http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
>
> they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate, i
> think.

Great, so now we'll be literally forced to brush our teeth with a
known carcinogen (sodium laurel sulfate). Burt's was one of
the last remaining remnants of morality in the U.S. market.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 11:15 am
From: Fuzzy Logic

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03:

> better start reading the labels.
>
> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPag
> eId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1

You won't be able to fit this on a label:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/business/06bees.html

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 11:46 am
From: max

In article <pzugj.36972$Pv2.26024@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
<nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote:

> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c5tgj.1330$K%6.1104@trndny04...
> >
> > "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
> > > better start reading the labels.
> > >
> > > http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPage
> > > Id=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
> >
> > they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate, i
> > think.
>
> Great, so now we'll be literally forced to brush our teeth with a
> known carcinogen (sodium laurel sulfate). Burt's was one of
> the last remaining remnants of morality in the U.S. market.

One door closes, another opens.

Sounds like a gaping mile-wide niche market just opened up!

BTW, i have already trademarked Cuthbert's Apiarian Balm Sticks, so it's
taken.

.max

--
The part of betatron @ earthlink . net was played by a garden gnome

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 2:16 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:pzugj.36972$Pv2.26024@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c5tgj.1330$K%6.1104@trndny04...
>>
>> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03...
>> > better start reading the labels.
>> >
>> > http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPageId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
>>
>> they got almost $1B. tom's of maine sold out a while back, to colgate,
>> i
>> think.

snip

> Burt's was one of
> the last remaining remnants of morality in the U.S. market.

obviously not.

>
>
>

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 2:19 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Fuzzy Logic" <bob@arc.ab.caREMOVETHIS> wrote in message
news:Xns9A1E7CC04497bobarcabca@199.185.223.74...
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1ysgj.5890$qV.1210@trnddc03:
>
>> better start reading the labels.
>>
>> http://www.burtsbees.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/UtilityView?contentPag
>> eId=590&storeId=10001&catalogId=10051&langId=-1
>
> You won't be able to fit this on a label:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/business/06bees.html

let's see 10 yrs from now.

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Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 9:53 am
From: small giant

Who is the creator?

(40:64) Allah, it is he Who has made for you the earth as a dwelling
place and the sky as a canopy. and has given you shape and made your
shapes good (looking) and has provided you with good things. That is
Allah, your Lord: so Blessed be Allah, the Lord of the Alamin
(mankind, jinn and all that exists).

(39:6) He created you (all) from a single person (Adam) ; then made
from him his wife {Hawwa , (Eve)}. and He has sent down for you of
cattle eight pairs (of the sheep , two , male and female ; of the
goats , two , male and female of the oxen , two , male and female and
of the camels, two, male and female). He creates you in the wombs of
your mothers: creation after creation in there veils of darkness. Such
is Allah your Lord His is the Kingdom. La ilaha illa Huwa (none has
the right to be worshipped but He). How then are you turned away?

(7:54) Indeed your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the
earth in six days, and then He rose over (Istawa) the Throne (really
in manner that suits His Majesty). He brings the night as a cover over
the day, seeking it rapidly , and (He created) the sun, the moon, the
stars subjected to His Command. Surely, His is the Creation and
Commandment. Blessed is Allah, the Lord of the Alamin (mankind, jinn
and all that exists)! (10:32) Such is Allah, your Lord in truth. So
after the truth, what else can there be, save error. How then are you
turned away?

Â 2) Who is Allah?

(59:23-24)

23:He is Allah beside Whom La Ilaha Illa Huwa (none has the right to
be worshipped but He), the King, the Holy, the one Free from all
defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the
All- Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory, be to Allah! (High is
He) above all that they associate as partners with Him .

24:He is Allah, the creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower
of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and
the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise .

(20:14)

âEUROOEVerily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be
worshipped but I), So worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-
Salat) for My Remembrance.

(2:255)

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but
He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyuum (the Ever Living the One Who sustains and
protects all that exists). Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes Him. To
Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth.
Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?

Â He Knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and
what will happen to them in the Hereafter. And they will never compass
any thing of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi
extends over the heavens and the earth and He feels no fatigue in
guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
(This Verse 2:225 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi) .

(35:13)

He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of
the night is added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day
into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day is added the
hours of the night). And has subjected the sun and the moon: each runs
its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah, your Lord; His is the
Kingdom , And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own
not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone).

(3:18)

Allah bears winess that La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be
worshipped but He), and the angels, and those having knowledge (also
give this witness); (He always) maintains His creation in justice La
ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the All-
Mighty, the All-Wise.

(3:51)

Truly! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is
the straight Path.

3) Did you think that Allah created you only for play and without any
purpose?

(3:115)

âEUROOEDid you think that We had created you in play (without any
purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?âEURO

4) For what did Allah create mankind?

(51:56)

And I (Allah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should
worship Me (Alone).

5) What did Allah command us to do?

Â (4:58)

Verily! Allah commands that you should render back the trusts to those
to whom they are due; and that when you judge between men, you judge
with justice. Verily, how excellent is the teaching with He (Allah)
gives you! Truly, Allah is Ever All-Hearer, All-Seer.

(6:151)

Say (O Muhammad (PBUH)):âEUROOECome, I will recite what your Lord has
prohibited you from: be Join not anything in worship with Him; be good
and dutiful to your parents; Kill not your children because of poverty
âEURO" We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-
Fawahish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse) whether committed
openly or secretly; and kill not anyone whom Allah has forbidden,
except for a just cause (according to Islamic law). This He has
commanded you that you may understand.

6) From where shall we seek guidance?

(1:1 âEURO" 6)

1: In the Name of Allah, the Most. Gracious, the Most Merciful.

2: All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the Alamin
(mankind, jinn and all that exists).

3: The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful .

4: The Only Owner (and the only Ruling judge) of the Day of Recompense
(i.e the Day of Resurrection)

5: You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each
and everything).

6: Guide us to the Straight Way.

7) Who shall we invoke in time of disaster?

(29:65)

And when they embark on a ship, they invoke Allah, making their Faith
pure for Him Only: but when He brings them safely to land, behold they
give a share of their worship to others .

(10:12)

And when harm touches man, he invokes Us, lying on his side, or
sitting or standing. But when We have removed his harm from him, he
passes on as if he had never invoked Us for a harm that touched him!
Thus it is made fair-seeming to the Musrifun that which they used to
do.

8) What happened to the previous nations when they disobeyed Allah?

(29:40)

So We punished each (of them) for his sins; of them were some on whom
We sent Hasib (a violent wind with shower of stones) (as on the people
of Lut (Lot) , and of them were some who were overtaken by As-saihah
(torment âEURO" awful cry. (as Thamud or Shuabs people), and of them were
some whem We caused the earth to swallow (as Qarun (Korah), and of
them were some whom We drowned (as the people of Nuh (Noah), or Firaun
(Pharaoh) and his people). It was not Allah Who wronged them, but they
wronged themselves.

9) Does Allah guard and save the Quran from corruption?

(15:9)

Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Quran) and
surely, We will guard it (from corruption).

10) Who should we worship?

(20:14)

âEUROOEVerily! I am Allah La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be
worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-
assalat) for My Remembrance.

11) What is the religion of Allah?

(3:19)

Truly, the religion with Allah is Islam. Those who were given the
Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual
jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in
the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of
Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account.

12) What is the religion accepted by Allah?

(3:85)

And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be
accepted of him and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.

13) Where does the Quran come from?

(42:3)

Likewise Allah, the All-Mighty the All-Wise sends Revelation to you (O
Muhammad (PBUH) ) as (He sent Revelation to) those before you.

(6:114)

(Say (O Muhammad (PBUH)) âEUROOEShall I seek a judge other than Allah
while it is He Who has sent down unto you the book (the Quran),
explained in detail.âEURO Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (the
Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) know that it is revealed from
your Lord in truth. So be not you of those who doubt.

14) Why did Allah send messengers?

(4:64)

We sent no Messenger, but to be obeyed by AllahâEURO(tm)s Leave.

15) Do we have to believe in all the messengers?

(2:285)

The Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH) _) believes in what has been sent down
to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in
Allah, His angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say), âEUROOEWe
make no distinction between one another of His MessengersâEURO âEURO" and
they say, âEUROOEWe hear and we obey. (We seek) Your Forgiveness, our
Lord, and to You is the return (of all).âEURO

16) What happened to the previous scriptures?

(4:46)

Among those who are jews, there are some who displace words from
(their) right places and say: âEUROOEWe hear your word (O Muhammad (PBUH))
and disobey,âEURO and âEUROOEHear and let you (O Muhammad (PBUH) _) âEUROOEhear
nothing.âEURO And Raina with a twist of there tongues and as a mockery
of the religion (Islam) And if only they had said: âEUROOEWe hear and obeyâ
EURO , And âEUROOEDo make us understand,âEURO it would have been better for
them, and more proper; but Allah has cursed them for their disbelief,
so they believe not except a few.

(5:13)

So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them and made
their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right)
places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to
them. And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few
of them. But forgive them and overlook (their misdeeds).

Verily, Allah loves Al-Muhsinun (good-doers).

17) Who is the last messenger?

(3:144)

Muhammad (PBUH) is no more than a Messenger, and indeed (many)
Messengers have passed away before him. If he dies or is killed, will
you then turn back on your heels (as disbelievers)? And he who turns
back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; and Allah
will give reward to those who are grateful.

18) To whom did Allah send the last messenger Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)?

(34:28)

And We have not sent you (O Muhammad (PBUH)) except as a giver of glad
tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most of men know not.

19) What did Allah prepare for those among the Jews and Christians who
believe?

(57:28)

O you who believe (in Musa (moses) (i.e. Jews) and Isa (Jesus) (i.e.
Christians)! Fear Allah, and believe in His Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH)
_), He will give you a double portion of His Mercy, and He will give
you a light by which you shall walk (straight). And He will forgive
you. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

20) What is the likeness of lsa (Jesus) before Allah?

(3:59)

Verily, the likeness of Isa (Jesus) bofore Allah is the likeness of
Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: âEUROOEBeâEURO âEURO"
and he was.

21) What did Allah say about Mary?

(3:42 âEURO" 47)

42:And (remember) when the angels said: âEUROOE(O Maryam (Mary)! Verily,
Allah has chosen you, purified you (from polytheism and disbelief),
and chosen you above the women of the Alamin (mankind and jinn) (of
her lifetime).âEURO

43:O Mary! âEUROOESubmit yourself with obedience to your Lord (Allah), by
worshipping none but Him Alone) and prostrate yourself, and Irkai (bow
down) along with ArRakiun (those who bow down).âEURO

44:This is apart of the news of the Ghaib (unseen, i.e. the news of
the past national of which you have no knowledge) which We reveal to
you (O Muhammad (PBUH) ) You were not with them, when they cast lots
with their pens as to which of them should be charged with the care of
Maryam (Mary); nor were you with them when they disputed.

45:(Remember) when the angels said: âEUROOEO Maryam (Mary)! Verily, Allah
gives you the glad tidings of a Word (âEUROOEBeâEURO - and he was! I.e. Isa
(Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary), from Him, his name will be the
Messiah Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary), held in honour in this
world and in the Hereafter, and will be one of those who are near to
Allah.âEURO

46:âEUROOEHe will speak to the people in the cradle and in manhood and he
one of the righteous.âEURO

47:She said: âEUROOEO my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has
touched me.âEURO He said: âEUROOESo (it will be) for Allah creates what He
wills.

When He has decreed something, He says to it only: âEUROOEBe!âEURO âEURO" and
it is.

22) Was Jesus crucified and died on the cross?

(4:157âEURO"158)

157:And because of their saying (in boast), âEUROOEWe killed Messiah Isa
(Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah,âEURO âEURO" But they
killed him not, nor crucified him, but they resemblance of Isa (Jesus)
was put over another man (and they Killed that man), and those who
differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge,
they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not
(i.e. Isa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) (PBUT)).

158:But Allah raised him (Isa (Jesus) up (with his body and soul) unto
Himself (and he (PBUH) is in the heavens). And Allah is Ever All-
Powerful All-Wise.

23) Was Jesus the son of God ( Allah )?

(112:1 âEURO" 4):

1:Say (O Muhammad (PBUH)): âEUROOEHe is Allah, (the) One.

2:(Allah the self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He
neither eats nor drinks).

3:He begets not, nor was He begotten.

4:And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.

24) How could you be secure?

(6:82)

It is those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah and worship none but
Him Alone) and confuse not their belief with Zulm (wrong i.e. by
worshipping others beside Allah), for them (only) there is security
and they are the guided.

25) What is the life of this world?

(57:20)

Know that the life of this world is only play and amusement, pomp and
mutual boasting among you, and rivalry in respect of wealth and
children. (It is) as the likeness of vegetation after rain, thereof
the growth is pleasing to the tiller; afterwards it dries up and you
see it turning yellow; then it becomes straw. But in the Hereafter
(there is) a severe torment (for the disbelievers âEURO" evil-doers), and
(there is) Forgiveness from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure (for the
believers âEURO" good-doers). And the life of this world is only a
deceiving enjoyment.

26) Whatever of blessings and good things you have , is it from Allah?

(16:53)

And whatever of blessings and good things you have, it is from Allah.

Then, when harm touches you, unto Him you cry aloud for help.

27) How could you guarantee the blessings of Allah?

(14:7)

And (remember) when your Lord proclaimed: âEUROOEIf give thanks (by
accepting Faith and worshipping none but Allah), I will give you more
(of My Blessings); but if you are thankless (i.e. disbelievers),
verily My punishment is indeed sever.âEURO

28) How could you save yourself from a painful torment?

(61:10 âEURO" 11)

10:O you who believe! Shall I guide you to a trade that will save you
from a painful torment?

11:That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad (PBUH) _ ).

29) Whosoever puts his trust in Allah , what will happen to him?

(65:3)

And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. And
whosoever puts his trust in Allah then He will suffice him. Verily,
Allah will accomplish his purpose. Indeed Allah has set a measure for
all things.

30) What is the destination of the disbelievers?

(57:15)

So this Day no ransom shall be taken from you (hypocrites), nor of
those who disbelieved (in the Oneness of Allah âEURO" Islamic
Monotheism).

Your abode is the Fire. That is your maula (friend âEURO" proper place),
and worst indeed is that destination.

31) What is the destination of the believers?

(4:57)

But those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah âEURO" Islamic Monotheism)
and do deeds of righteousness, We shall admit them to Gardens under
which rivers flow (Paradise), abiding therein forever. Therein they
shall have Azwajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), and We
shall admit them to shades wide and ever deepening (Paradise).

32) How could you be happy?

(16:97)

Whoever works righteousness- whether male or female âEURO" While he (or
she) is a true believer (of Islamic Monotheism) verily, to him We will
give a good life (in this world with respect, contentment and lawful
provision), and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to
the best of what they used to do (i.e. Paradise in the Hereafter).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 10:46 am
From: "misterfact@yahoo.com"

Some idiots believe that this post is "beating a dead horse". For
those of you who are new to this message board and believe that 43
serious injury accidents (and rising) should be a concern: read on-
:

> Any traffic engineer who renders red light INOPERABLE in a left turn
> signal- IS A DANGER TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

> The red light was put there by the manufacturer- FOR A REASON.

example:

43 serious injury accidents (and rising) at this Florida
intersection:

Location: Palmetto, Florida (near Tampa). State routes 41 and 301
combine for a left turn; 200yards west of the Walmart on 301, just
beyond the overpass.

(injury statistics were given to me over the phone by Ken Bass at the
FDOT)

A similar intersection in Michigan has had ZERO injury accidents in
the last ten years! (even though it has twice the traffic flow that
the Florida one)

Location: Grand Rapids, Mi; intersection of S.E. 28th street and
M-37.

Why the difference?

The left-turn signal at the Grand Rapids location is COMPLETE. It
has
an adequate duration green light, an adequate duration yellow light
(to allow the last car to complete the turn) and a RED light (or
blinking red light during low traffic hours)

The Palmetto, Florida left-turn signal is INCOMPLETE. There is no red
light after the yellow! When the yellow light goes off- a GREEN light
appears!

Both left turns are faced with oncomming traffic. Both have the SAME
make, model and 3 light configuration. The ONLT difference is that the
Florida signal has its red light- DISCONNECTED!

A red light always appears after a yellow light- except in Florida!

If you don't believe this- go look at the intersection in Florida.

The people responsible for installing and maintaining this
incomplete,
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Ken Bass
ph (863) 519-2495 (Bartow, Fl)

My suggestion: Call him and:
Politely YELL BLOODY MURDER!

ALSO EMAIL DOT: fdot.pio@ dot.state.fl.us

and Cindy Clemmons:

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> On Mon, 7 Jan 2008 00:29:44 -0800 (PST), "friesian@zoocrewphoto.com"
> <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 6, 1:42 pm, Bernardo Gui <waile2...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I think we're already seeing a backlash against your cat-killing
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>>> always be a significant part of what is available in the US, but
>>> there are companies who are already gearing-up with 'Made In The
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>>> important issue.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
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>> end up with new problems in the future.
>>
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>>
>>
> ================================================

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Jan 7 2008 2:02 pm
From: pc

Gordon wrote:
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>>
>>
>
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My best frugal technology purchase [not 'deal'..because I paid the going
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My old laptop was on it's last legs so I went for the eeepc. I am in
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The only thing that I wish I could find is a cheap way to connect a
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