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* Systematic & massive voter fraud may deprive Obama of victory - 3 messages,
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* The "halve what you can" approach - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Bar soap - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* Best GPS Units For Less Than $200! - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* See this? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* A Sign of the Times - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Systematic & massive voter fraud may deprive Obama of victory
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:32 pm
From: "Forrest"
<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
news:59bd282a-ce2f-4c30-b114-29ad624d4fa4@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Don't be surprised when Obama "loses" the election: the Republicans
are up to their usual tricks—disenfranchising potential Democratic
voters—and on a more massive scale than ever before. See the results
of an investigation by voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
and Greg Palast published in Rolling Stone:
http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/
Kennedy and Palast conclude that, "If Democrats are to win the 2008
election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls—they must beat
him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."
A few highlights:
- Kennedy charges that there has been a resurgence of 'Jim Crow'
tactics wrongly to block Black and Hispanic voters.
- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly
purged one in six names from their voter rolls, ten times the average
state's rate of removal.
- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new
voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED
under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his
own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block
legal voters as "fraudulent."
- Since the last presidential race, "States [have] used dubious 'list
management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their
rolls." Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim
of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that
left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the
state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the
county elections supervisor.
And how many illegal aliens does that leave, to vote for the party that
holds out the candy jar?
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:37 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net
even in non-swing states college students are being disenfranchised.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:32:25 -0700, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Forrest"
<REMOVETHISrunforrest1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
><david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:59bd282a-ce2f-4c30-b114-29ad624d4fa4@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>Don't be surprised when Obama "loses" the election: the Republicans
>are up to their usual tricks—disenfranchising potential Democratic
>voters—and on a more massive scale than ever before. See the results
>of an investigation by voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
>and Greg Palast published in Rolling Stone:
>
>http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/
>
>Kennedy and Palast conclude that, "If Democrats are to win the 2008
>election, they must not simply beat McCain at the polls—they must beat
>him by a margin that exceeds the level of GOP vote tampering."
>
>A few highlights:
>
>- Kennedy charges that there has been a resurgence of 'Jim Crow'
>tactics wrongly to block Black and Hispanic voters.
>
>- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly
>purged one in six names from their voter rolls, ten times the average
>state's rate of removal.
>
>- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new
>voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED
>under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
>
>- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his
>own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block
>legal voters as "fraudulent."
>
>- Since the last presidential race, "States [have] used dubious 'list
>management' rules to scrub at least 10 million voters from their
>rolls." Among those was Paul Maez of Las Vegas, New Mexico - a victim
>of an unreported but devastating purge of voters in that state that
>left as many as one in nine Democrats without a vote. For Maez, the
>state's purging his registration was particularly shocking - he's the
>county elections supervisor.
>
>And how many illegal aliens does that leave, to vote for the party that
>holds out the candy jar?
>
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 4:24 pm
From: "Bob F"
<david7gable@aol.com> wrote in message
news:59bd282a-ce2f-4c30-b114-29ad624d4fa4@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Don't be surprised when Obama "loses" the election: the Republicans
are up to their usual tricks—disenfranchising potential Democratic
voters—and on a more massive scale than ever before. See the results
of an investigation by voting rights attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
and Greg Palast published in Rolling Stone:
http://www.gregpalast.com/rolling-stone-its-already-stolen/
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Voter fraud is what the Repubs complain about in their effort to accomplish
election fraud, which is the real problem. Voter fraud is not really an issue,
other than as an excuse to exclude voters from having their votes counted.
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/10/19/are-voter-fraud-fears-overblown/
http://www.projectvote.org/fileadmin/ProjectVote/Publications/Politics_of_Voter_Fraud_Final.pdf
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6488
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TOPIC: The "halve what you can" approach
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/557183cf66736055?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 12:41 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:26:54 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living Enough
Already <enough_already@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>Women could get by with half the number of shoes, but I'll leave that
>one alone! Obviously, this is a partial list.
uh you mean my ex boyfriend...
use a menstrual keeper! saves money and does not generate stinky trash. great
for backpacking..
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:08 pm
From: "h"
"Enough Already" <enough_already@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:a09f3416-a25d-4705-a591-6a72f2f0f6e7@u46g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> Women could get by with half the number of shoes, but I'll leave that
> one alone! Obviously, this is a partial list.
>
I'm a 50 year old woman, and I really couldn't get by with half the number
of shoes. I have 5 pairs. One pair of black dress pumps, one pair of summer
sandals, one pair of lace up shoes, one pair of sneakers, and one pair of
winter boots.
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TOPIC: Bar soap
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 2:08 pm
From: Petepenguin@webtv.net (P T)
I wonder what other people do with the end of a bar of soap. Being a
frugal person, I get it good and squishy moist, and p-r-e-s-s it onto a
new bar of soap. I've been known to save the unused portion of a
mini-bar from a hotel, and do the same. Sometimes it doesn't look
pretty, but it's only soap.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 6:10 pm
From: Seerialmom
On Oct 19, 2:08 pm, Petepeng...@webtv.net (P T) wrote:
> I wonder what other people do with the end of a bar of soap. Being a
> frugal person, I get it good and squishy moist, and p-r-e-s-s it onto a
> new bar of soap. I've been known to save the unused portion of a
> mini-bar from a hotel, and do the same. Sometimes it doesn't look
> pretty, but it's only soap.
I tend to do the same thing with my soap; most of the time it works to
adhere to the new bar.
On a related subject; what's up with these shampoo bottles that don't
have twist off caps (VO5 comes to mind)? They have really small
dispensing holes and it's very hard to add water to get the last bit
out. Same with some of these jugs of detergent (though I do poke a
drain hole in the bottom side to drip into a new jug).
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 7:17 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 19, 2:08 pm, Petepeng...@webtv.net (P T) wrote:
>On a related subject; what's up with these shampoo bottles that don't
>have twist off caps (VO5 comes to mind)? They have really small
>dispensing holes and it's very hard to add water to get the last bit
>out.
The whole top just snaps off--use the back of a strong kitchen
knife--and then snaps back on after you've added water. Although I do
use the squish-onto-the new-bar technique for soap, I really don't
think diluting the shampoo is worthwhile. Instead I just store the
nearly-empty bottle upside down and use it from that inverted
position.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 9:18 pm
From: "colin p."
In article
<4079f994-c89e-4450-a6cd-fea12c61ff84@31g2000prz.googlegroups.com>,
Seerialmom <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I tend to do the same thing with my soap; most of the time it works to
> adhere to the new bar.
I put the slivers in a bucket in water near the washing machine and use
a bottle brush to apply the liquid soap to spot treat stubborn dirt
spots. Like ring around the collar. Works great!
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TOPIC: Best GPS Units For Less Than $200!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4874b2abe080dcd4?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 3:39 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> And you get there much later than I do because you cripple along on a bike.
That's only on Thursday or Friday. Those sales generally suck, but we
have to ride SOMEWHERE.
>> We had 40 today.
>
> Yeah, but thats coz yours is a much bigger place than mine.
>
> And your economy has tanked and mine hasnt.
Haven't noticed any difference in quality or quantity. We stopped going
to the "rich" areas long ago because those people think their shit is
gold plated.
>> It takes 45 minutes to read the paper and mark the map.
>
> Fark, wota dinosaur. Doesnt take me anything like that to
> enter them in the GPS. Doesnt even take 15 secs per yard.
That's 40 out of a possible 200 or so. Selection is everything.
>> The route changes during the day depending on a number of factors which can't be anticipated beforehand.
>
> Like what ? How many nuns you run over and cripple on your bikes ?
You get extra points if you grab their rosaries before they hit the ground.
--
Cheers,
Bev
xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to
spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and
begin slitting throats." -- H.L. Mencken
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 5:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote
>> And you get there much later than I do because you cripple along on a bike.
> That's only on Thursday or Friday. Those sales generally suck, but we have to ride SOMEWHERE.
>>> We had 40 today.
>> Yeah, but thats coz yours is a much bigger place than mine.
>> And your economy has tanked and mine hasnt.
> Haven't noticed any difference in quality or quantity.
You will.
> We stopped going to the "rich" areas long ago because those people think their shit is gold plated.
>>> It takes 45 minutes to read the paper and mark the map.
>> Fark, wota dinosaur. Doesnt take me anything like that to
>> enter them in the GPS. Doesnt even take 15 secs per yard.
> That's 40 out of a possible 200 or so. Selection is everything.
You can still select when doing it with a GPS.
>>> The route changes during the day depending on a number of factors which can't be anticipated beforehand.
>> Like what ? How many nuns you run over and cripple on your bikes ?
> You get extra points if you grab their rosaries before they hit the ground.
Bugger, why didnt you tell me ? I knew I must be doing something wrong.
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TOPIC: See this?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/139ab23dfb485fee?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 4:16 pm
From: "Bob F"
"Tony" <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote in message
news:48FB5384.8424343E@TheDeli.Sandwich...
> You know when you're getting a spiel of baloney from a black man, that you
> have to take at face value.
> Obama reminds me of the fast talking street corner pimp.
And McCain is clearly the "John".
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 4:45 pm
From: "Malcolm \"Mal\" Reynolds"
Tony <Tony@TheDeli.Sandwich> wrote in
news:48FB5384.8424343E@TheDeli.Sandwich:
> You know when you're getting a spiel of baloney from a black man, that
> you have to take at face value. Obama reminds me of the fast talking
> street corner pimp.
So you have lots of experience with pimps?
>
>
> Derald wrote:
>
>> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501
&statu
>> s=article&id=309135564686156
>>
>> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501
&statu
>> s=article&id=309134667198333
>>
>> http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501
&statu
>> s=article&id=309134537356139
>
> --
> The Grandmaster of the CyberFROG
>
> Come get your ticket to CyberFROG city
>
> No, I just decided not to play your silly game is all. *Some* of us know
> proper manners
>
> Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,
>
> Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!
>
> El-Gonzo Jackson FROGS both me and Chuckcar
>
> Using my technical prowess and computer abilities to answer questions
> beyond the realm of understandability
>
> Regards Tony... Making usenet better for everyone everyday
>
>
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TOPIC: A Sign of the Times
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 19 2008 10:04 pm
From: Jeff
George wrote:
> Don Klipstein wrote:
>> In article <JNqdnZt-eZ0zEWfVnZ2dnUVZ_oPinZ2d@comcast.com>, George wrote:
>>> Jeff wrote:
>>>> turtlelover wrote:
>>>>> Derald wrote:
>>>>>> Kellog's "Cocoa Crispies" in the new package has far less of the
>>>>>> brown "chocolate" coating than the previous version and the flavor is
>>>>>> far less reminiscent of chocolate (sigh); not that it ever really
>>>>>> _was_
>>>>>> very close, mind you....
>>>>>
>>>>> We've never bought them, so I can't give a review -- but I do
>>>>> believe you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does the box indicate "New and improved"? I cringe whenever I see
>>>>> that notation, because it generally means "changed for the worse"
>>>>> (by consumer standards).
>>>> I've been following the pricing of the Kroger apple juice. I used
>>>> to buy a good bit of it. Sometime back I saw it prominently
>>>> displayed with words like "Cost Cutter". The had just raised the
>>>> price 19 cents.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, I once more saw a prominent (end of aisle) store
>>>> display and sure enough, the price had gone up again.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Turtlelover
>>> I almost bought cranberry juice blend the other day. It was "Ocean
>>> Spray" brand in the usual packaging except I noticed it said
>>> "Cranjuice" instead of "Cranberry" as I was putting it in the cart.
>>> It was only 15% juice and a blend of cheaper juice and cranberry juice.
>>
>> Please keep in mind that "100% juice" "cranberry juice (blend or
>> cocktail or whatever)" will have cranberry juice not being a majority
>> of the product.
>
> Not from my experience, typically cranberry juice is sold as 27% juice
> with cranberries being the only fruit used. The new stuff I almost
> bought was only 15% juice and it had cranberries and other juice.
>
> 100% cranberry juice isn't as commonly sold likely because it is so tart
> as you said and you usually don't drink it straight.
I've nearly been mislead myself. I put back my 27% cranberry juice when
I spotted the "Cranberry 100% Juice" (or something like that). Careful
examination, lead to the discovery that it was not 100% cranberry, but
something like 17% cranberry and assorted other juices.
A new trick, all the time.
Lets face it, nobody drinks cranberry for the flavor!
Jeff
>
> I usually buy the 100% cranberry only juice if I see it but they only
> had the other stuff including the misleading alternate cheaper product
> (but not lower price) packaged to look the same.
>
>
>> Also keep in mind that "100% juice" mixed-juice products often have
>> much of the juice content being higher-sugar-lower-nutrition items
>> that I would
>> call "junk juice", as in I would call most of that "minor improvement
>> over Kool-Aid", with the fruit that such "junk juice major ingredient
>> is of" (my wording) being either apple or white grape. My experience
>> suggests to me that "100% juice products" with "cranberry juice" are
>> mostly "junk juice".
>> It appears to me that "100% cranberry juice" is a very sour-tart
>> product
>> comparable to either lime or lemon juice in strong-tartly-sourness and
>> also in cost.
>>
>> And "cranberry juice product" (my wording/phrasing) with lack of
>> "100% juice", especially if such lack of "100% juice" is accompanied
>> by presence of "juice cocktail", then the product can easily be
>> something that I would describe "in my own words as" "25% juice 75%
>> Kool-Aid". Along with some significant chance that much of the actual
>> juice content is from something other than cranberries.
>>
>> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
>
>
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